Everything in IM is dead? Whats alive then?

by solos Banned
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There are so many posts here on the Wf saying

- Email marketing is dead
- Article writing is dead
- YouTube is dead
- SEO is dead

etc etc

So if everything is dead? What is alive and kicking in 2013! What is the way forwards

- mobile marketing?
- apps?

Interested to hear what people think
#alive #dead
  • Profile picture of the author reyizmaster
    99 person lose, 1 person win. 99 loser says "everythings is dead", pesimistic, hopeless.
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    • Originally Posted by reyizmaster View Post

      99 person lose, 1 person win. 99 loser says "everythings is dead", pesimistic, hopeless.
      I agree with that
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  • Profile picture of the author solos
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    I am a big beliver that IM is still alive and kicking! Internet is not going anywhere

    Just surprised by all the threads here saying "bla bla is dead" etc
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    • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
      None of the above is dead, if anything "It's just getting started".

      People complain about it being easier years back, if you look at it now, you have tools, training programs and mentors which can help you.

      If anything, getting started online is easier now than it was before.

      Just my personal opinion.

      "Taking action is most peoples problems" AKA "to lazy to do anything about their situation"
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      • Profile picture of the author solos
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        Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

        None of the above is dead, if anything "It's just getting started".

        People complain about it being easier years back, if you look at it now, you have tools, training programs and mentors which can help you.

        If anything, getting started online is easier now than it was before.

        Just my personal opinion.

        "Taking action is most peoples problems" AKA "to lazy to do anything about their situation"
        Thanks Larry!
        This has given me a real boost and a great quote
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

        None of the above is dead, if anything "It's just getting started".

        People complain about it being easier years back, if you look at it now, you have tools, training programs and mentors which can help you.

        If anything, getting started online is easier now than it was before.

        Just my personal opinion.

        "Taking action is most peoples problems" AKA "to lazy to do anything about their situation"
        I completely agree. A lot of the competition is very weak and untrusted. It's a perfect time to be in IM.

        Besides, much of what the OP described as 'IM' are just traffic generation tactics. Marketing online is a whole lot more than one or two traffic generation ideas.
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Kendo
        Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

        None of the above is dead, if anything "It's just getting started".

        People complain about it being easier years back, if you look at it now, you have tools, training programs and mentors which can help you.

        If anything, getting started online is easier now than it was before.

        Just my personal opinion.

        "Taking action is most peoples problems" AKA "to lazy to do anything about their situation"
        I totally agree, nothing is dead unless the entire internet crashes. New up and coming things will come alive that have never been seen as lucrative before every year though.

        One of the biggest things is taking your online business offline. This can be done many ways, two of the most common are live seminars where each attendee pays an entry fee, another being just putting flyers and business cards in your local coffee shops, post office and gym bulletin boards etc.

        This offline strategy is one marketing technique that will still work when the internet finally crashes, but then the world economy will crash so I'm not sure who you will be able to market to anyway.
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        • Profile picture of the author gil12
          Originally Posted by Matt Kendo View Post

          I totally agree, nothing is dead unless the entire internet crashes. New up and coming things will come alive that have never been seen as lucrative before every year though.

          One of the biggest things is taking your online business offline. This can be done many ways, two of the most common are live seminars where each attendee pays an entry fee, another being just putting flyers and business cards in your local coffee shops, post office and gym bulletin boards etc.

          This offline strategy is one marketing technique that will still work when the internet finally crashes, but then the world economy will crash so I'm not sure who you will be able to market to anyway.
          What should you put in the flyer?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ed Micah
        Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

        None of the above is dead, if anything "It's just getting started".

        People complain about it being easier years back, if you look at it now, you have tools, training programs and mentors which can help you.

        If anything, getting started online is easier now than it was before.

        Just my personal opinion.

        "Taking action is most peoples problems" AKA "to lazy to do anything about their situation"
        Cannot agree more. All you need to do is take action, and everything will be alive again for you!
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  • Profile picture of the author rjames
    Originally Posted by solos View Post

    There are so many posts here on the Wf saying

    - Email marketing is dead
    - Article writing is dead
    - YouTube is dead
    - SEO is dead

    etc etc

    So if everything is dead? What is alive and kicking in 2013! What is the way forwards

    - mobile marketing?
    - apps?

    Interested to hear what people think
    Its not dead...they are just too weak to persevere

    Its like the news...you basically only hear about the bad stuff...95% of IMers never make their first dollar...so keep that in mind when reading the garbage on here...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
    Internet marketing is hardly dead. You do need IM skills, but the opportunities are never ending. So far today I have made money in every way you are being told is dead.

    "Email marketing is dead, Article writing is dead, YouTube is dead, SEO is dead"....

    These are all alive and people in this forum make money everyday doing them. Some more than others, but that is the great thing about the Internet. It does not discriminate against anyone regardless of race, income, sex, money, and so on. We all have the same chance.

    Good luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDawson
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    They are dead to people that are failing or aren't doing it right. Trust me, IM isn't dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author BurtL
    It's not dead, just that you can't use old methods in current times.
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Carbine
    Originally Posted by solos View Post

    There are so many posts here on the Wf saying

    - Email marketing is dead
    - Article writing is dead
    - YouTube is dead
    - SEO is dead

    etc etc
    I would be willing to bet that most of the people saying this stuff don't actually believe it themselves. They are just trying to convince you that the old system doesn't work anymore so that they can sell you on their new and improved system.
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    • Profile picture of the author geoscash1
      Its definately not dead...

      It all works and works very well...

      The problem you ask?

      Its the lack of focus or attention to one thing. the people that say these things are dead are the ones that jump from one thing to another without ever fully working it to fruition before moving on to something else.

      Focus focus focus on one thing until you've exhausted its potential then move on if needed...

      That's just my take on it..

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  • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
    To many people expect things done FOR them. That is another big problem.

    Learning the ropes is what any new marketer needs to do first.

    Anyone who says IM is dead is just "upset" because they tried and failed. They may have been taught the wrong way of doing things and this happens a lot with all the scams and things out there.

    It is sad for some people who really "ARE" trying hard. Persistence, determination, passion is exactly what you need.

    It's up to YOU and only you to change the way you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author gil12
    Sure.... because alot of people advertisers internet marketing to other people(tell to their friends, make list of IM niche, and create ads everywhere about IM)... there is too many people in internet marketing, alot competiton... you need to save internet marketing! if you guys will continue adverste internet marketing to other people so dont be extiting if inernet marketing is die....

    And IM is not dead.(at least not now)
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  • Profile picture of the author Boricua
    Originally Posted by solos View Post

    There are so many posts here on the Wf saying

    - Email marketing is dead
    - Article writing is dead
    - YouTube is dead
    - SEO is dead

    etc etc

    So if everything is dead? What is alive and kicking in 2013! What is the way forwards

    - mobile marketing?
    - apps?

    Interested to hear what people think
    Very dead if folks intend to start a business and get the same easy/quick SEO results as 10 years ago, that's for sure. Incredibly dead if people use the same strategies in a highly competitive niche and humongously dead and useless for those with the wrong attitude the moment they don't get results instantly, like those "$300 a month" with just 10 minutes of work emails some routinely get in their inbox. Oh indeed..

    My ex told me I was going to be dead for leaving her and staying with my home 3 years ago, I still am here kicking it big time with Adsense, eBook business partnerships, SEO and a ton of other ventures started here and in BHW.

    It's all in the mind, a good heart and well trained cojones. At least, it helps
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    The person who claims that any technique is dead is a person who has failed to profit from the technique they are disparaging.

    Who do you want to take your advice from? Someone who has failed using a technique, or someone who has seen success using that technique?
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    • Profile picture of the author gil12
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      The person who claims that any technique is dead is a person who has failed to profit from the technique they are disparaging.

      Who do you want to take your advice from? Someone who has failed using a technique, or someone who has seen success using that technique?
      Day after day there is more email marketers and people who got 4 offers in a month need to decide which product they should buy from your affiliate link or from other guy or from the another guy or from the another guy that send the same offer(in 2 words: more competition.)
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by gil12 View Post

        Day after day there is more email marketers and people who got 4 offers in a month need to decide which product they should buy from your affiliate link or from other guy or from the another guy or from the another guy that send the same offer(in 2 words: more competition.)

        That doesn't mean that email marketing or affiliate marketing is dead.

        It only means that one must work harder to achieve the success they want.
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    • Profile picture of the author ElGuapo
      Few methods, if any, have died. The worst that can be said is that marketers have to adapt to new rules and environments, but that's it.

      I mean, it's quite amusing to see everybody on the solo ads bandwagon now. That was being promoted heavily back in 2005! Money-making methods are always being revisited.

      The problem, as alluded to by other posters in this thread, is that people look for all-in-one solutions. But IM is just a puzzle to solve: find a way to make money (e.g. a CPA offer that pays $2). find ways to get traffic to that offer, find ways to improve the conversion, find ways to multiply that.

      If people had a little more faith in themselves, they'd likely see much greater success.
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Why does it have to be the word dead? Why can't it be something like evolved? That is what happens, a specific place will evolve which gets rid of obsolete, in effective old methods and better methods have to be used. Isn't that actually the definition of evolution, getting rid of the bad trait and creating a better one.
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  • Profile picture of the author gil12
    "solos" my friend i can understand you! now you upset looking in this thread for comments... you imagine yourself rich, with some Ferrari in your garage. Listen my friend! i was in the same situation like you! go to the mirror and tell to your self "i can do it!" then go to wso forum and buy some wso that got good feedback and buy it. 1 of 10 wso works for me!
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  • Profile picture of the author O0o0O
    Its not that Internet Marketing is dead, it's just that there is a higher barrier to entry and a higher learning curve. Many of the social networks have put more restrictions in place. It's not as easy as it used to be. So either you have to do more research, or buy some more courses that will help you get the job done.
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  • Profile picture of the author gil12
    but solos why you think that email marketing is dead?
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  • Profile picture of the author jivens
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    It's not dead, I just think all of the scams and huge claims are dying, which is a fantastic thing really! Who else is glad to see those push-button softwares on Clickbank go away? I sure am!

    You can still make money online, but you HAVE TO BE WILLING TO WORK YOUR ASS OFF.

    Selling will never die.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by solos View Post

    - Email marketing is dead
    - Article writing is dead
    - YouTube is dead
    - SEO is dead
    - Wrong.
    - Wrong.
    - Wrong.
    - Wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author papuanac1971
    Nothing is dead if you perform it in right manner. Its normal that rules changed but you need to follow it like in lifestyle.
    Comes new shoes need to be checked... Same is in IM, to be always IN need to stay updated with everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Keith
    I dare say folks couldnt list 3 methods of internet marketing that were even close to mainstream that i couldn't double my money on this year with. and i mean full marketing methods. ie. SEO is fine...but not buying backlinks. That was just a way of gaming the system...its not actually marketing.

    hell, i just took a $5000 bet last week from a marketer most of you would recognize that i cant take $500 and turn it into $1500 in 180 days using traffic exchanges. You know those things everyone says are untarget traffic and a complete waste of time...lol.

    I will take side bets if anyone is up for it...lol. I will even escrow the money if you will. I am that serious.
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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    I guess I'm one of the few that are going to say this, but there are a few things that worked years ago that no longer work now. For example:
    • Spamming craigslist and other classified sites
    • using link farms for backlinks
    • using blog farms
    • using autoblogs
    • using black hat SEO (invisible text, KW stuffing, EMD's, etc)
    • using traditional "hands off" sniper sites
    • using safelists
    • using ebay to sell digital goods
    • and probably a few more that I can't think of right now.

    Now sure, these are all short cuts and black hat strategies...but it goes to show you that a lot of things that worked really well years ago, don't work well (or at all) anymore. Stick to the fundamentals and don't try to game the system or use shortcuts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by solos View Post

    So if everything is dead? What is alive and kicking in 2013! What is the way forwards
    - Email marketing
    - Article writing
    - YouTube
    - SEO


    All 4 of these techniques still work. Don't let the masses fool you. Paid advertising work well also. Plan on incorporating this into your business right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author greenowl123
    My dog is still alive !

    So are my 2 parakeets !

    Seriously...

    I had Amazon sales yesterday from 3 of my blogs, so I guess that is not dead yet. Some of the visitors going to those blogs come from YouTube videos, Facebook, Twitter, and even MySpace (and MySpace is soooo 2005 ! ).

    I also paid a guy on Fiverr dot com to place a bunch of classified ads for me on Backpage yesterday and got a 300% ROI - so I reckon that is still alive too.

    Lots of things are still breathing and living these days. Even the things some people wrongly believe are dead.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      People only say something is dead to make you believe that what they are selling is 'alive' almost like when people say something is a SCAM!!! Then they show you what is not a scam... Their product

      SEO is dead... Try this instead!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Andre Slater View Post

        People only say something is dead to make you believe that what they are selling is 'alive' almost like when people say something is a SCAM!!! Then they show you what is not a scam... Their product

        SEO is dead... Try this instead!
        I'm surprised it took 41 posts for someone to finally point that out.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    yup everything is dead, however each year my profits go up.

    Something is wrong then I guess. **roll my MF eyes**
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    There are so many posts here on the Wf saying

    - Email marketing is dead
    - Article writing is dead
    - YouTube is dead
    - SEO is dead

    etc etc



    The truth is that the internet is changing with time and the old techniques are dead. The sources are the same, but the techniques are different.

    We had big changes because of Google’s updates.

    Too many people are trying to make money online.

    What used to be exciting in the past today is boring.

    People are tired of so many email messages.

    Article writing is not dead, but sick.

    YouTube is losing its quality.

    SEO is a game.

    The internet is working and those who know how to make money online are making money, but everything is always changing with time.

    I believe that we have to admit that the techniques of the past don’t work today. This is the death that everyone is talking about. In the past everything was simpler because not so many people were working online. However, today there are more than too many people using the internet and doing the same things.







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  • Profile picture of the author j hogan
    Just checked my clickbank account and people are still buying products so IM not dead.

    It's changing all the time though and in that way it is no different to an offline business. In any type of work we do there is always going to be change and methods that worked will become outdated or stale. I think online the rate of change is fairly rapid and often thats when people get into the negative 'IM is dead' frame of mind.

    Flexibility; being responsive to customer needs; giving good customer service and willingness to keep learning are key to staying in business for the long term - online and offline. I think we're in an exciting time, new markets and opportunities are opening up. There will always be naysayers no matter what the situation is, doesn't mean they are right though.
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    Everyone says that niche is dead because they dont want you to enter that niche to increase competition.

    No niche is dead, Theres just more competition as compare to others. If you still think niches are dead ten go for hamburger shop, Its always alive and people are always hungry like i'am now!
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  • Profile picture of the author Apra Barua
    What happens is people don't see instant success after attempting a few tries and then they start yelling this is dead, that doesn't work and what not...

    These are time tested, evergreen methods and will never die as long as you know what you are doing...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    We are the very people who keep it from dying. Anyone saying IM is dead should check out how many viewers are on the WSO board right now. These same people are reading articles and watching videos. It all works it has just changed.
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  • Profile picture of the author sirtiman
    Every that you think are dead still have communities and more growing in the future.

    Youtube is dead? Come on...are you kidding?


    lol
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    • Profile picture of the author solomprince
      Originally Posted by sirtiman View Post

      Every that you think are dead still have communities and more growing in the future.

      Youtube is dead? Come on...are you kidding?


      lol
      Your absolutely right
      Nothing is dead
      ppl are just complaining for doing minimal work and not seeing real result

      consistency is key .you tube is not going no where
      video marketing is always and will always bea god means of teaching ppl about you and your services,building your brand ,getting traffic to your site

      SEO is not going to die,may it is a little bit harder,just this

      pick some way and learn about it

      put down simple plan for at least one month implementing and putting to action what you have just leaned and hopefully you will see rewarding result
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  • Profile picture of the author InsightIM
    I think the real issue is that it's not as easy as it used to be. Now internet marketing is work, and no one wants to do real work. The other issue is that there is so much junk and noise out there. I have almost 40 million websites in my database and the statistics I run on those sites are alarming. There are millions of small sites and lots of large ones. The average number of links on a home page is 26, so 40 million x 26 = just over a billion links just on the websites I know exist and are live. A billion links is incomprehensible but if the average A tag is 4 inches long, all the a tags that I have in my database would stretch around the earth and have some extra (25849 miles).

    The point is, to compete in this kind of a market, you need skills, it takes work, and you have to now what you are going after, where it's at, and what it takes to get it. It takes real marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danit98765
    Hi,
    IM is kicking full power, you just have to do it right and be consistent. As the years go by Internet Marketing grabs more and more market share and over other media marketing so make sure you are not sitting on the side and watching other people make money marketing online.
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    What has almost always been dead is doing what everyone else is doing, which sadly includes many of the WSOs. Not All, but many of the best ones are not necessarily the most popular.
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  • Profile picture of the author MKaren
    Originally Posted by solos View Post

    There are so many posts here on the Wf saying

    - Email marketing is dead
    - Article writing is dead
    - YouTube is dead
    - SEO is dead

    etc etc

    So if everything is dead? What is alive and kicking in 2013! What is the way forwards

    - mobile marketing?
    - apps?

    Interested to hear what people think
    These marketing strategies re not dead they just evolved..changing strategy once in a while will definetly help you....

    If email marketing is dead then that means no on use emails?I DONT THINK SO!you need to target your market,when your leads does not responded, it means you use the wrong market to target or perhaps you use wrong keyword to use in your email marketing strategy or worse you abuse your list that's why they banned you..

    This also applies on other marketing stated..

    Another strategy is to mixed and matched your strategies..creative, personalize strategy will definetly boost your income...
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  • Profile picture of the author WeavingThoughts
    Is everybody out of your sight dead?
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  • Profile picture of the author gil12
    email marketing more alive and kicking then before...
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggerDeen
    Ummm are you serious? To be frank I don't want to say anything..
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  • Profile picture of the author Cyber Star
    I think some dark part of me is glad that people say blogging is dead because it means I will get less new competitor. I definitely don't need a new rookie suddenly grabbing an opportunity on the same business niche that I have. but in my good side, saying something is death is a horrible way to discredit some gurus or anyone who is seriously using that method to keep their business alive.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maui Joe
    i hope more people get on the _____________ is dead bandwagon


    less competition for me
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  • Profile picture of the author joaquin112
    Everything still works, it has just CHANGED. Darwin said it best, it's not the strongest nor the fastest species that survive - it's the species that adapts.

    Same is true in IM. You must learn to adapt to the changes. The methods still work and they will work for a very long time.
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