I am skeptical and ignorant--help?

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First off, I'm extra ordinarily skeptical about all this money making online stuff. I get all these emails saying the same things. I get placed on people's lists and then they send me crap, want me to buy some programme. I look on Warrior or other places online for reviews of the product and they're all raving about this or that, but only because they get affiliate money from those products. So you can't really trust anything people say. People on Warrior will write "This will make you millions" but it's something they gain from, when we pay for it.

I got really into researching niche sites. It's a similar story with that stuff. They all tell you "go for it, you put in hard work, you can make money online" and you give it a go--and buy those domains and they make money. They don't care if we make money.

I started getting into making money online because I need to pay for college. But more and more I feel like the perfect mark for these people. Like what, 2% of people who try, are successful with money making online? And the rest of us are the ones who give them that money.

I need a programme that works for real. I tried keyword research and all for a niche site, and I will keep working on that. I made a site but choose the worst niche and it's failed badly! :confused:

One thing I've been trying to understand is affiliate marketing. They talk about making a list and then sending emails to them, making money. I don't know how to get started with that. Like once you have a list, it seems easier but how do you get a list? I mean don't you need a high ranking site thats also a squeeze page? How do you get started ??

Any help you can give me, honest help, not trying to sell me crap you get commissions on--would be appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

    They talk about making a list and then sending emails to them, making money. I don't know how to get started with that. Like once you have a list, it seems easier but how do you get a list? I mean don't you need a high ranking site thats also a squeeze page? How do you get started ??
    No, you don't need a high-ranking site (where your site ranks is relevant only to search engine traffic, which is about the worst-performing and least secure kind of traffic available anyway, for affiliate marketing).

    No, you don't necessarily need a squeeze page either: a squeeze page is only one way of building a list. There are others.

    This thread might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

    Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

    Any help you can give me, honest help, not trying to sell me crap you get commissions on--would be appreciated.
    If anyone tries to sell you anything here, without you specifically asking them about it first, even if it's under the guise of "trying to help you", please report it to the moderators by clicking on the little red triangle adjacent to their post (or their private message) and they'll be taken care of. With over 500,000 members here, imagine what the forum would look and feel like, if people were allowed to do that.

    Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

    I get placed on people's lists
    How does that happen? If you haven't subscribed to their lists, you should report them as spammers.
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    • I didn't know about reporting people, that's good.

      I guess I just see people scamming people online all the time. All that BIG RED TEXT, and TWO COPIES LEFT, rubbish is discouraging. I mean it sets of millions of alarm bells.

      THANK YOU for all that info. It makes me feel better about Warrior and money making online. Thank you.

      I'll check out the thread you linked to. Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMDESTROYER
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      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      No, you don't need a high-ranking site (where your site ranks is relevant only to search engine traffic, which is about the worst-performing and least secure kind of traffic available anyway, for affiliate marketing).

      No, you don't necessarily need a squeeze page either: a squeeze page is only one way of building a list. There are others.

      This thread might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982



      If anyone tries to sell you anything here, without you specifically asking them about it first, even if it's under the guise of "trying to help you", please report it to the moderators by clicking on the little red triangle adjacent to their post (or their private message) and they'll be taken care of. With over 500,000 members here, imagine what the forum would look and feel like, if people were allowed to do that.



      How does that happen? If you haven't subscribed to their lists, you should report them as spammers.
      i love you alexa smith
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  • Profile picture of the author nichecloner
    I read many posts like yours all too often. There are many people in this industry that are in it for the money and can care less that the stuff they give out is junk. There are few who understand that building relationships and helping others is the key to growing a REAL business.

    With that said, there are some marketers out there willing to help you but you must stop looking for the next best thing out there. You know.. the shiny objects.

    Making money online is very easy and simple. People make it harder than it is.

    My suggestion is to hook up with people that can help you and are willing to do so without trying to sell you something. Start building relationships with people on this forum and elsewhere.

    Send me a PM so we can exchange contact info and chat via skype. I'd be glad to help you.
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    • Thanks man. That's encouraging. I'm PM you.
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    • Profile picture of the author stefanvanray
      Originally Posted by nichecloner View Post

      I read many posts like yours all too often. There are many people in this industry that are in it for the money and can care less that the stuff they give out is junk. There are few who understand that building relationships and helping others is the key to growing a REAL business.

      With that said, there are some marketers out there willing to help you but you must stop looking for the next best thing out there. You know.. the shiny objects.

      Making money online is very easy and simple. People make it harder than it is.

      My suggestion is to hook up with people that can help you and are willing to do so without trying to sell you something. Start building relationships with people on this forum and elsewhere.

      Send me a PM so we can exchange contact info and chat via skype. I'd be glad to help you.
      Dead on. You are who you hang out with. You need to start building relationships with other marketers, successful marketers who don't have an agenda of selling you something.
      The true purpose of this forum is for us as marketers to be able to discuss issues we are having, ask questions, look for feedback, it's about a true marketers community. We're supposed to be here to help each other. Don't be discouraged.
      Do your research and ask specific questions so you can get specific answers. You'll get some trolls, but some of the info will be real and applicable. Hang in there.
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      • Profile picture of the author nightrider85
        Originally Posted by stefanvanray View Post

        Dead on. You are who you hang out with. You need to start building relationships with other marketers, successful marketers who don't have an agenda of selling you something.
        The true purpose of this forum is for us as marketers to be able to discuss issues we are having, ask questions, look for feedback, it's about a true marketers community. We're supposed to be here to help each other. Don't be discouraged.
        Do your research and ask specific questions so you can get specific answers. You'll get some trolls, but some of the info will be real and applicable. Hang in there.
        I like...that's how it should be...the most important thing in my opinion..find something that you are enjoy to do...

        The only way to do a great work is to love what you do if you haven't found it yet keep looking and don't settle
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        • Originally Posted by nightrider85 View Post

          I like...that's how it should be...the most important thing in my opinion..find something that you are enjoy to do...

          The only way to do a great work is to love what you do if you haven't found it yet keep looking and don't settle
          I agree mate. Find something you love. I've read you need passion and then I've read choose something that will make money and have your money making passion drive you to make a solid website. Maybe a bit of both ideals should be kept in mind? I don't know
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      • Originally Posted by stefanvanray View Post

        Dead on. You are who you hang out with. You need to start building relationships with other marketers, successful marketers who don't have an agenda of selling you something.
        The true purpose of this forum is for us as marketers to be able to discuss issues we are having, ask questions, look for feedback, it's about a true marketers community. We're supposed to be here to help each other. Don't be discouraged.
        Do your research and ask specific questions so you can get specific answers. You'll get some trolls, but some of the info will be real and applicable. Hang in there.
        Thanks man! I think you're right about making connections and trying to hang in there as you struggle to find your way in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheInternet
    If you need money quick, get a job flipping burgers. Making it in the long term is about beating your head against the wall until you find a crack. The trick is to find something repeatable and consistent with your values and interests before you fall into a coma.
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  • Profile picture of the author beatmeback
    it is kinda stupid to read such psychological threads, nobody will help you (probably) & the most - nobody can help if you don't want.
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    • Originally Posted by beatmeback View Post

      it is kinda stupid to read such psychological threads, nobody will help you (probably) & the most - nobody can help if you don't want.
      What do you mean psych threads? If I'm doing something wrong in writing this thread, please let me know so I can fix it.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheInternet
        Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

        What do you mean psych threads? If I'm doing something wrong in writing this thread, please let me know so I can fix it.
        Confused me too. It sounds like a draft of the opening of an MLM pitch. :confused:
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        • Now I'm really confused. Are you saying I'M sounding like a scammer? Cause I'm just trying to figure if I can make legit money online....
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          • Profile picture of the author TheInternet
            Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

            Now I'm really confused. Are you saying I'M sounding like a scammer? Cause I'm just trying to figure if I can make legit money online....
            I meant the post from beatmeback. You sound like someone who's trying to figure things out.
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            • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
              Thing is... systems that work are custom made. What works for other will not work for you and vice versa.

              It is a lego type of game, where you choose among all the stuff around what works best for your strengths, and work around your weaknesses. And the funny thing is: you learn what your strengths and weaknesses are walking, doing it, bumping your head on the wall.

              Yes, there are liars like in any other industry, no more no less actually. Like in any other place they have a purpose, you develop your nose with them, you shape your own business strategies seeing what they do and choosing not to do it.
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              • Thanks, Sandra Martinez! Love what you said about Lego. Good analogy and I think you're right. There isn't a ONE AND ONLY road to success. That anyone can follow and turn out the same. Doesn't work that way.

                People keep talking about mentors... how do you get one? I know thats a stupid question, like it doesn't happen that way and plenty would be con men or just using you, pretending to be your mentor.

                It also kind of sounds sketchy, just at first glance, when you hear "I was poor, lost money on money making stuff and then my mentor showed me the way, parted the seas and now I share with you this magical formula".
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                • Profile picture of the author AlwaysGrateful
                  01123581321345589144 check out Spencer Haws blog nichepursuits.com You can learn a lot from him and it won't cost you a dime.
                  Good luck to you
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                • Profile picture of the author TheInternet
                  Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                  Thanks, Sandra Martinez! Love what you said about Lego. Good analogy and I think you're right. There isn't a ONE AND ONLY road to success. That anyone can follow and turn out the same. Doesn't work that way.

                  People keep talking about mentors... how do you get one? I know thats a stupid question, like it doesn't happen that way and plenty would be con men or just using you, pretending to be your mentor.

                  It also kind of sounds sketchy, just at first glance, when you hear "I was poor, lost money on money making stuff and then my mentor showed me the way, parted the seas and now I share with you this magical formula".
                  Cherish your skeptical instincts. A lot of people waste time and/or money chasing dead ends and pits because they couldn't look far enough ahead.
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                • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
                  Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                  Thanks, Sandra Martinez! Love what you said about Lego. Good analogy and I think you're right. There isn't a ONE AND ONLY road to success. That anyone can follow and turn out the same. Doesn't work that way.

                  People keep talking about mentors... how do you get one? I know thats a stupid question, like it doesn't happen that way and plenty would be con men or just using you, pretending to be your mentor.

                  It also kind of sounds sketchy, just at first glance, when you hear "I was poor, lost money on money making stuff and then my mentor showed me the way, parted the seas and now I share with you this magical formula".
                  Mentors are ok, but they can´t do the work for you. And it is very different than an adviser at university for example, where the guy/gal is being paid anyway.

                  There are some people with good intentions, but it is a difficult balancing act. And what they have to teach might not be what you need to learn.

                  About the "I was poor" thing... yes, they tend to use it as a copywriting trick, but I think about 80% of the people in business bit the dust one time or another. I did it myself, two times actually. It has highs and lows, it is just the way it is, each expansion can take you right to the beginning if you are not careful. And there is something of learning to ride a bike in this, until you fall and really hurt, you don´t go straight.

                  What I would recommend you is to start doing something, anything; pay attention and start making smart questions.

                  You can start by:

                  Learn a skill, and give service.

                  If you can write, make a product. I think affiliate marketing is not for you for what you said. It is not my strong suit either.
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                  • I actually agree. I think all of us, successful and unsuccessful trying to make money online, have had some huge failures. I know I have. I guess as far as affiliate marketing goes, I just don't know how you're supposed to build the list, get people to the site that catches their emails. I guess I just totally don't get what it is supposed to look like.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
                      Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                      I actually agree. I think all of us, successful and unsuccessful trying to make money online, have had some huge failures. I know I have. I guess as far as affiliate marketing goes, I just don't know how you're supposed to build the list, get people to the site that catches their emails. I guess I just totally don't get what it is supposed to look like.
                      But there is more than that... if you think that affiliate marketers are cheaters, then if you go that route you are going to fail or become a cheater in your own eyes.

                      I only do affiliate marketing by association at this point, that is: I don´t endorse products, or talk about them, but if I mention them in the conversation, there is an affiliate link in it.

                      When I endorse someone, it is someone I really like and usually there is no affiliate link there.

                      But... don´t expect to get rich with this method.

                      About taking people to the site... that is traffic. There is again not a one for all method, you need to put hooks where your market is and try to catch their attention. It can be google, social platforms, articles, videos, forums, you name it... From all your efforts maybe 10% will give results, and you will have to go through the learning curve again in each niche.

                      Some people nail one method, Alexa is expert in syndication, but the woman CAN WRITE.

                      Others are great at short copywriting and use paid ads. I knew a guy making a killing with facebook ads for the dog niche for example.
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                      • Yeah I don't think they're all liars but I think you can't really trust someone recommending a programme that they profit from when you buy with their link, you know? I mean yeah some programmes are legit and really good and have affiliate programme to help their profits and that doesn't make people promoting them cheap or anything but still... I think you understand my skepticism.

                        It's all a bit frustrating, cluttered and tricky but given that I have to make some money online... (flipping burgers as one person suggested, isn't logical in my situation) I cannot give up.

                        Do squeeze pages really work though? I mean they must but also they look so cheesy and cheap. It's hard cause there is no "right way" to do this and so many people just within teh hours I've been on Warrior Forums have come to me with some kind of winning formula. But I do feel encouraged by some of the stuff people have said to me. I guess it's stupid to assume everyone is out to get me.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
                          Ok... do you have any idea of what are your strengths?

                          Can you write?
                          Can you do boring chores?
                          How about your research skills?

                          Business models that might work for you are:

                          - some kind of service at fiverr.

                          - Kindle... things like erotica are easy to write and they are short. I don´t write in that niche myself, but know people who are doing pretty well. Elvis for example, he has a blog where he even talks about earnings and methods

                          Epic Passive Income

                          Squeeze pages work, but they are just part of a bigger picture.
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                          • Interesting idea with the ebooks. There's so much to explore. Also love your comment about squeeze pages being part of a bigger picture. So true.
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                          • I don't personally think I'd try writing in that particular niche. I assume erotica is like some kind of literary porn. lol? So I guess it makes sense that it sells. I might give ebook writing a go, actually Thanks for your suggestions.
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                            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                              Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                              I don't personally think I'd try writing in that particular niche. I assume erotica is like some kind of literary porn. lol? So I guess it makes sense that it sells. I might give ebook writing a go, actually Thanks for your suggestions.
                              Back in the late 70's there was an ultra-feminist writer whose main claim to fame was the proclamation that all hetersexual sex was rape. Ironically, this woman earned her daily bread writing dirty books. When asked the difference between her 'erotica' and others' 'porn', she replied that the difference was her superior skill as a writer.

                              [Side note: Her opinion of her writing skill was as inflated as her ego. Let's just say she was no
                              Pauline Réage...]
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                              • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
                                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                                Back in the late 70's there was an ultra-feminist writer whose main claim to fame was the proclamation that all hetersexual sex was rape. Ironically, this woman earned her daily bread writing dirty books. When asked the difference between her 'erotica' and others' 'porn', she replied that the difference was her superior skill as a writer.

                                [Side note: Her opinion of her writing skill was as inflated as her ego. Let's just say she was no
                                Pauline Réage...]
                                That woman was crazy... just my own claim.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
                              Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                              I don't personally think I'd try writing in that particular niche. I assume erotica is like some kind of literary porn. lol? So I guess it makes sense that it sells. I might give ebook writing a go, actually Thanks for your suggestions.
                              Yes, that´s what it is. You can pick any niche, look into what you know and what you like, see if you can do a better product than what it is out there. The narrower the niche with a market, the best chances you have.

                              Here, on the left...

                              Amazon Best Sellers: best Kindle eBooks
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                              • The whole ebook market is interesting. Inherently cheap (most selling for lik 99 cents or 3 dollars) but some quality writing can come of it. A lot of crap and you get what you pay for. But an interesting market to explore.

                                While I'm not interested in the particular niche, I imagine erotica is competitive anyways.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
                                  Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                                  The whole ebook market is interesting. Inherently cheap (most selling for lik 99 cents or 3 dollars) but some quality writing can come of it. A lot of crap and you get what you pay for. But an interesting market to explore.

                                  While I'm not interested in the particular niche, I imagine erotica is competitive anyways.
                                  There is some crap, but there is also a lot of very good stuff.

                                  The power is in numbers here. Do a search in the forum for kindle, lots of great conversations going on in the last 4 months since I started paying attention.

                                  This one for example:

                                  http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ve-kindle.html
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                        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                          Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                          Yeah I don't think they're all liars but I think you can't really trust someone recommending a programme that they profit from when you buy with their link, you know? I mean yeah some programmes are legit and really good and have affiliate programme to help their profits and that doesn't make people promoting them cheap or anything but still... I think you understand my skepticism.
                          I do understand your skepticism, but you have to be very careful to avoid skepticism becoming paranoia. Sooner or later, you have to trust someone. Just because someone uses an affiliate link for something does not mean they're only after your money. Just take the link within the whole context of the person's output. One indicator is often just how hard they are trying. Is the recommendation a hard sell, or is it more of a "here's the link, do what you want with it" approach?

                          Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                          It's all a bit frustrating, cluttered and tricky but given that I have to make some money online... (flipping burgers as one person suggested, isn't logical in my situation) I cannot give up.
                          Okay. The first step is to quit thinking about systems or programmes that promise guaranteed success. Even the best system is only part of the equation. Online or offline, you basically have two choices for making money. You can sell a product (your own or on commission) or a service that provides fair value to the buyer and the seller.

                          There are a lot of short term hustles and money projects out there, but they don't last. Spend some time poking around the forum here looking at real business models until you find one that appeals to you. Then ask questions to help you gauge the fit.

                          Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

                          Do squeeze pages really work though? I mean they must but also they look so cheesy and cheap. It's hard cause there is no "right way" to do this and so many people just within teh hours I've been on Warrior Forums have come to me with some kind of winning formula. But I do feel encouraged by some of the stuff people have said to me. I guess it's stupid to assume everyone is out to get me.
                          Some squeeze pages work, others don't. The concept works. If you judge all squeeze pages by what you see in the IM/MMO arena, I can see why you think they look cheap and cheesy. That style happens to appeal to a lot of the dream chasers looking for magic beans, so it proliferates.

                          Keep on keeping on...
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            • Oh good to hear. Sorry I got confused.
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  • Profile picture of the author dkla27
    Hey fibonacci guy!

    The best thing you can do is be skeptical. Don't let that stop you from taking action though. The truth is that a LOT of people fail but still some do make money. Then there people that never take a risk which is just as bad as failing...
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    • What percent do you Warriors, think succeed in money making online?
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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
        Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

        What percent do you Warriors, think succeed in money making online?
        Just like the percent that succeed big in anything else. There's a very small percentage at the top that makes the majority of the money - the same is true of the offline business world.

        There is a small percentage on the bottom that never make one thin dime. Again, the same is true of the offline world.

        Then there is the vast majority between the two extremes that make varying amounts of income. What is successful to me is scarcely a living wage to someone else and your view is probably different from mine.

        I know quite a few people who make their sole income from online endeavors. I do, and I don't make anywhere near that top 2%. The beauty of it is, that I don't have to and I still feel successful.
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        Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

        What percent do you Warriors, think succeed in money making online?
        Who cares? As long as I'm one of them that number is meaningless
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  • Profile picture of the author BamaGuy
    A large percentage don't make any profit. A smaller percentage just make enough to reinvest in their projects. A smaller percentage than that actually make a decent profit. An even smaller smaller smaller percentage of that make a full time living doing it.

    Point is, try not to get concerned with what others are making because everyone's story is different. Spend time learning and taking action on a method. Test and test and find what methods bring you the best results. Don't buy 50 WSO's a week and say there is no money to be made online. Find an avenue you want to pursue and master it. Learn all you can about it. Most of your knowledge will be free, all you have to do is seek it.
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    • Thank you! I think you're right on. Find one thing and master it. Easier said than done though.
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      • Profile picture of the author BamaGuy
        Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

        Thank you! I think you're right on. Find one thing and master it. Easier said than done though.
        Not really. Look at is this way. You choose to focus on list building. You search the forums for all the free knowledge you can learn on this method. Start to use the methods you learn and be willing to tweak them to what works for you. Some will teach you how to spend money to build a list quicker while others will show you a way to build the list for free but may take a little longer. If you spend your time and energy learning this method, you will become really good at it over time.

        Now let's say you choose this route. Go to one thread and get interested in CPA. So you go out spend 2 days on it don't make any money. So now, you try affiliate marketing. Same thing happens and you don't earn any money. So there just must be no money to be made with these and you decide to move on over to list building. You throw together a crappy landing page, your opt-in looks awful and you can't get anyone on your list. So, you move along to the next thing; whatever that may be.

        Eventually, you will come to the conclusion that no money is to be made online and all people want to do is sell you stuff to make money. People normally sell systems that have worked for them and some valuable knowledge can be gained if you get the right reports. There is no harm with people selling their knowledge but be cautious on those trying to sell you the moon. What works for them, may not work for you and you need to understand that. But, this doesn't mean the system is worthless and a fraud.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    You want to make money online...

    ...and you have a issue with people who
    are making money online.

    Frankly, number man...

    If you WANT to build a business, you're
    going to have to invest in yourself.

    You're looking for someone to hold your
    hand, pat you on the back and cradle to
    your emotions when things don't go your
    way.

    ...and getting emotional in business is
    the surest way to failure.

    Perhaps this is a bit harsh for you to
    bare...

    ...it was hard for ME to bare when I 1st
    started.

    But the truth has always served me well.

    You're going to get a LOT of great FREE
    information in this forum. Most of which
    is spread very thin.

    If you want to good training. I would
    suggest hiring a coach.

    ...but seeing as how you're comfortable
    paying for a college education...

    ...but UNcomfortable paying for financial
    education to PAY for college.

    Well...you got a problem on your hands.

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    • Harsh and blunt but accurate. Thanks mate. I'm not looking for someone to do it for me. I know that doesn't even make sense, and I want to do it myself anyways. And yeah, I know you need to invest in yourself.
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    • Harsh but true,

      I honestly don't think I'm all that cheap. I think if there is a legit product out there, that can help me, for instance--I'm not going try and rip them off or get it for free or whatever. But I don't want to pay for dozens of expensive Guru products, not because I'm cheap, but because I know it's a waste.

      I joined Warrior Forums for instance, which cost a low price. But still it cost something and I've made a couple sites in trying to freelance to afford more sites, and I built a single, unsuccessful niche site.

      Your advice is legit though and I appriciate your honesty. You might think I'm wallowing or something but I am trying to take action and make money online. I understand legit money making takes work and seed money.

      And I'm simply motivated by college costs, not trying to complain about it constantly. It'll work out in the end.

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  • Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

    First off, I'm extra ordinarily skeptical about all this money making online stuff. I get all these emails saying the same things. I get placed on people's lists and then they send me crap, want me to buy some programme. I look on Warrior or other places online for reviews of the product and they're all raving about this or that, but only because they get affiliate money from those products. So you can't really trust anything people say. People on Warrior will write "This will make you millions" but it's something they gain from, when we pay for it.

    I got really into researching niche sites. It's a similar story with that stuff. They all tell you "go for it, you put in hard work, you can make money online" and you give it a go--and buy those domains and they make money. They don't care if we make money.

    I started getting into making money online because I need to pay for college. But more and more I feel like the perfect mark for these people. Like what, 2% of people who try, are successful with money making online? And the rest of us are the ones who give them that money.

    I need a programme that works for real. I tried keyword research and all for a niche site, and I will keep working on that. I made a site but choose the worst niche and it's failed badly! :confused:

    One thing I've been trying to understand is affiliate marketing. They talk about making a list and then sending emails to them, making money. I don't know how to get started with that. Like once you have a list, it seems easier but how do you get a list? I mean don't you need a high ranking site thats also a squeeze page? How do you get started ??

    Any help you can give me, honest help, not trying to sell me crap you get commissions on--would be appreciated.
    From what I notice less then 1% make money. I think the key to geting sales online is to deal with complexity in a way that you can't loose. You have to be able to fail many time for cheap and fast in order to learn till you become profitable and you need to do this often unless you run into a home run right away. Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Scoop
    I am also generally skeptical (or sceptical, as we spell it in England), but the Warrior Forum is a notable exception to the IM junk that predominates elsewhere. There are some good, helpful marketers here and sound rules to deter the spammers and scammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author dbrwn
    For starters, don't work for somebody else's program. You don't need somebody else's so-called system to make money. Simply start creating and selling your own stuff and do affiliate marketing along with that.

    Creating and selling your own products is quite rewarding and it will make you money. I ahve made money selling my own e-books and doing stuff on Fiverr for just $5.

    Now I know that $5 is not a lot to think about, but let that build up and you can see what happens here. Mainly I wuld focus on creating your own products, building a subscriber list and not get involved in those cookie cutter web site generators and programs that claim that you can make boatloads of money.

    The only one making that boartload of money is that individual who is selling you that program. You're just left to keep right on struggling while they collect your money each and every single month.

    Those programs aren't worth the money you pay for them. Yeah, I get a lot of those same emails that you get in your inbox too and they're quite annoying.

    They wave huge wads of cash in your face, show fake video proof and show you fake screenshots and such trying to get you to believe that you too will make the same amount of money.

    Just do your own thing that is all that really matters here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zend
    I know that feel, the feeling of being used and the feeling of scammed. so this is what I do:
    1. I stop promoting someone else product, instead I create my own product, it just happen that I am very good at teaching a particular skill.
    2. I stop buying paid traffic, you will get scammed because the one who visit your site is just someone who is playing around with their proxy. I start building a list. Make sales funnel and eventually get the hang of how it works.

    One last thing, if you feel scammed by someone in here, report to the admin.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Nice handle you've got there 01123581321345589144 - or can I just call you 011?

    Actually, I think I might know your pal, 118
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  • Profile picture of the author Cyber Star
    Maybe you got into the wrong niche, the niche is having too much competitor for you to compete. or maybe the niche is seasonal. I think you should try your effort to find the niche that have potential market. search the market first before deciding to promote any product.
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    • Originally Posted by Danit98765 View Post

      Hi,
      First of all I will start by saying that I started with IM from the same reasons as you-I needed to save money for my tuition, and beside my day-job I was seeking after an extra income. Let me tell you right now- there is a huge amount of money in internet marketing but you will have to work hard at the beginning in order to reach it. It is a business like any other business and you will have to work hard and invest lot's of efforts, but it will pay off. For me it was very difficult to find my niche, and like you I met many good Internet marketers that all they wanted to do was to sell me their product. I was confused. Luckily for me I met someone who taught me the IM step by step from scratch. You have so many opportunities and so many options that the main thing is to choose one or two for start and focus. I found a really good program that works well for me (if you want you can send me a private message for more information) and I can tell you that I have started seeing great results very fast. But-you need to work for it and be serious. My advise to you is to find someone you trust that can teach you IM and in the meantime-keep reading all the time, books, blogs, forums, it will help you to find your direction.

      Good Luck!
      Thanks. It's nice to see someone here with similar motivations. I'm glad you were successful. You're right about all that too. It can be confusing, overwhelming and difficult. But you keep on trying till something works.
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  • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
    Welcome, Fibonacci man.

    Starting out is definitely the hardest part. The key is not giving up too early, as you may only be a few steps away from seeing the money come in.

    I've made sites before that I thought were failures. But as I kept learning and progressing, the new knowledge I was acquiring helped me turn those "failures" into money sites. There are so many different ways to monetize websites, it does take some time to fully understand how everything works.

    Before you start to see any real money come in, you'll first need to understand how everything works online, and why it's actually possible to make money online.

    You're in the skeptical stage. That's normal and I think everyone goes through that in the beginning. Once everything starts to click in your head, that stage will phase out.

    But things only start to click as you learn, so gaining knowledge should be your priority. Marketing books, blogs, other forums, ect.. In this biz, knowledge is power. And you can learn something new every day.

    It won't be easy, but it's certainly attainable. Think outside the box and don't give up.
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    • Well I'm pretty sure my niche site is a def. failure. It's apparently impossible to rank for, I'm not on the first 100 pages of google, etc. It's just up against some solid, aged, strong sites. I also don't know how to monetize or use Ad sense or any of that.

      But you're right--you have to keep trying. Thanks for your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxTheMarketer
    Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

    First off, I'm extra ordinarily skeptical about all this money making online stuff. I get all these emails saying the same things. I get placed on people's lists and then they send me crap, want me to buy some programme. I look on Warrior or other places online for reviews of the product and they're all raving about this or that, but only because they get affiliate money from those products. So you can't really trust anything people say. People on Warrior will write "This will make you millions" but it's something they gain from, when we pay for it.

    I got really into researching niche sites. It's a similar story with that stuff. They all tell you "go for it, you put in hard work, you can make money online" and you give it a go--and buy those domains and they make money. They don't care if we make money.

    I started getting into making money online because I need to pay for college. But more and more I feel like the perfect mark for these people. Like what, 2% of people who try, are successful with money making online? And the rest of us are the ones who give them that money.

    I need a programme that works for real. I tried keyword research and all for a niche site, and I will keep working on that. I made a site but choose the worst niche and it's failed badly! :confused:

    One thing I've been trying to understand is affiliate marketing. They talk about making a list and then sending emails to them, making money. I don't know how to get started with that. Like once you have a list, it seems easier but how do you get a list? I mean don't you need a high ranking site thats also a squeeze page? How do you get started ??

    Any help you can give me, honest help, not trying to sell me crap you get commissions on--would be appreciated.
    I love your skepticism man! I was once a newbie in Internet Marketing and I am still learning...

    You're completely right that most "make money online programs" the real earners are the program-owners and not the participants.

    The way you can "sell" something is when you realize that people are looking for stuff (and not just to make money). Some people are looking for learning how to dance, cook, meet the love of their life, train their dogs, how to brew beer, etc.

    When you find a need or a niche as they are called, you have something where you can create a product around (solve the need or problems people are looking to fulfill or solve) and then market that in a way that tells them directly in the eyes that, "This is what you have been looking for, this will solve your problem you are struggling with".

    Then how all this looks in practice is what you can learn from some internet marketing programs while others just sell you the dream. When people tell you that you can make millions off by taking their program, they are 99,9% trying to rip you off, as simple as that.

    You CAN make millions (and I know I will too this year!) but not just by taking a program but through long-term (or preferably, but not recommended, rob a few banks) hard and smart work and figuring out human psychology and apply it on a big scale.

    However, affiliate marketing (where you sell other people's stuff), that is the "real deal" because there you actually sell something, like a physical product in a store but you have infinitive of them.

    Go to ClickBank and look what sells best in the marketplace, that will give you an idea of what needs most people are having right now to fulfill and there you can jump on the bandwagon before it is too late! ;-)

    Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
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    • WOW thanks so much for your response! It was very helpful. I wish I could give you more than a "thanks". I think you're right on, with your points. I think most people are out to scam you, I think when people review products they're often affiliates and thus not quite trust worthy (doesn't mean they're not genuine reviews, but often it does). And I think it takes a lot of work, a lot of trial and error and perseverance. It's frustrating as hell--but worth it if, like you, you can make a bit of money. Thanks again and congrats on your success.
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  • Profile picture of the author mayagh
    First of all, treat it as a business and be serious. If you want to open a business you need to learn from the best. So learn from a good coaching program, someone who is famous and made it in the industry... dont go for many of the "too good to be true" promises out there.
    You definitely need a Squeeze page, blog and an autoresponder and need to know how to direct traffic and a little of money.... It needs work and dedication, but dont give up ...
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  • Profile picture of the author iwowwe4you
    We can't help you unless you will want to at least review some opportunities to earn money. I am sure there are plenty of people here who can offer you something great. Listening to that what they have to offer will not heart, lol. Come out of your shell and let people help you!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
    There are several different methods to making money online ... but the thing that most successful people online have is a list.

    Not only do they have a list, but they treat their list with respect. A business is NOT an eBook, program, or website... but your prospects/customers.

    You first need to find a niche that is profitable then start building a list and nurturing a relationship with them.

    Then occasionally promote or create a product that will help solve their problems. The biggest seller online is information... If you found a technique that decrease a person's back pain guaranteed- more then likely there will be thousands of people wanting to pay you to know how that is done.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    First off, I think you should avoid Affiliate Marketing as a money-making method. If you don't, you risk becoming the kind of person that you don't trust presently.

    I can probably hear your gut response to the previous paragraph right now... If you are going to do affiliate marketing, you will make sure that you are not one of those scammers who simply present offers, because they might make a few bucks from it... Instead, you will take the time to make sure that the offers you are promoting really do offer good value to your readers...

    Yet, you seem perfectly unwilling to accept at this time that other affiliate marketers could be making only honest recommendations, based on their belief that you could be helped towards your goals if you purchase that product?

    I have seen you say 3-4 times already in this thread that most folks presenting training packages to you are scammers. You seem overly paranoid -- well beyond simply cautious -- about the information that is made available online in paid format.

    HINT: If you don't believe anyone should be making money on the information they share with you, who will be left to buy your stuff when you start selling stuff online?

    Every day, I see industries, niches, marketing tools, marketing methods and specific marketers painted as scams or scammers...

    I personally buy and review hundreds of products per year, and I rarely see something that is truly a scam. What I find more often is that the only difference, between the person who says that something is a scam and the person who makes no such accusations, is the number of hours and the level of effort a person puts into seeing something to success.

    In other words, the people who tend to yell "scam" are those who don't put any real effort into making something work, and the people who make no such accusations are the type of people who see things through to fruition.

    A healthy skepticism is always a good thing, but I don't think that there is anything healthy about the level of skepticism you have brought to this conversation.
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    • Of course I know that some products are legit. Like my laptop, I know it's a solid product and if I were advocating it that doesn't mean I'm lying just because I make money promoting it. I know some people review things legitimately and some people don't. And some people give good products bad reviews because they personally didn't put the effort in to make it work or have a competing product or who knows.

      It's just that when people have a load of stake in you buying in on the deal they're selling, they're not going to tell you "well, I really just want my money back so I want you to buy Empower Network too, so I can get the hell out" or whatever. Some people aren't bad, in fact most people in the business (not only sellers but those who buy or explore in general) probably aren't scamming, but many sellers are.

      You make some very good points. Its a good reminder, helps me get back down to earth. I think people get overly suspicious, like I do, because we don't want to get hurt, cheated or whatever. But it's often not realistic or good for you at all. I will keep everything you said in mind, especially the bit about people thinking they're scams just because they have to put real work into it, and don't get magical results.
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  • Profile picture of the author betterwtveter
    My advice is to learn from the warriors here on warrior forum on a regular basis because that is how I have done well thanks to the people here. Don't get scammed into anyone's scheme until it is backed up by other people;s reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Most products have a money-back guarantee on them, and if you do a bit of research before buying, you can get a good sense of which sellers refuse to honor their guarantees.

    All products that I create have a 30-day guarantee on them.

    Clickbank products all have a 6- or 8-week guarantee on them.

    Most products that are sold through PayPal have a 45-day refund window on them through PayPal specifically, provided that the seller hasn't indicated something different from that.

    In the past few years, I have only seen 4 or 5 sellers try to avoid refunding their customers for a purchase.

    When a vendor in the WF offers a money-back guarantee, then refuses to honor their guarantee -- if the moderators are notified about the issue and the vendor is found to be in the wrong -- the offer will be closed and the seller will usually be banned from the forum.

    All that is really required is a little due diligence to make sure that you are dealing with a vendor who honors their guarantees, then it will be up to you to make the information work for you or look pretty on your hard drive.
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  • Profile picture of the author jchengery
    Hello,

    One of the main keys to Internet marketing, just as in anything that is worthwhile, is that you learn from the mistakes and build off of that. You're not going to be a great success or make lots of money right off the bat. Virtually everyone goes through a growing, testing process, even when they have quality coaching and mentors to follow (and yes, there are quality mentors and coaching out there).

    Affiliate marketing involves you choosing products that will satisfy your niche or target market, and ONLY those products. You only promote the products that you think are quality AND will benefit your niche or target market. This is why you must find out what your niche/target market is first and learn what makes them tick, what problems they are having, what they are wanting, etc. Just choosing any old product and no market to promote it to will greatly hinder your chances of success at affiliate marketing.

    It certainly helps to build a list, whether you're doing affiliate marketing, infoproduct creation and marketing those creations, joint ventures, etc. It's easier to sell to someone who trusts you than someone who doesn't know you from Adam. This is why it's amazing that companies even today will try to go out and find new customers when they'd have an easier time selling to the customers they've sold to before.

    This doesn't mean that you shouldn't be looking for new customers- you should always attempt that, but you should never forget about the customers you've already served either. Many new Internet marketers make this same mistake- don't be part of that group!

    Learning how to do keyword research effectively is key to succeeding online, as this is what will help you nail down your niche/target market. In addition, you'll learn the LSI keywords (i.e. secondary keywords) you should be using as well for your site, for your articles, tags, social media, etc. You can use the Google AdWords Keyword Tool or a number of other keyword tools (MicroNicheFinder, etc.) some of which were sold on the Warrior Forum at one time (Keyword Scout, etc.).

    Hopefully, this helps. Keep in mind: the only way you'll truly fail is if you quit. You obviously can't succeed if you quit- that is for certain!

    Take care,

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    • Originally Posted by jchengery View Post

      One of the main keys to Internet marketing....Joe Chengery
      Thank you. I agree with what you're saying. I've done research into keyword research and SEO. It's hard for some reason for me to find a niche I could possibly rank in. I've read up in Niche Pursuits, Adsense Flippers, etc. on all that but I'm struggling.

      I'll keep at it though.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    p.s. As Sandra indicated previously, the "sad story" in sales copy is a copy writing technique that informs the reader that the vendor has been in the buyer's shoes previously.

    It is simply a mechanism to show that the seller has empathy for the hard place that you are in now.
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    • Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      p.s. As Sandra indicated previously, the "sad story" in sales copy is a copy writing technique that informs the reader that the vendor has been in the buyer's shoes previously.

      It is simply a mechanism to show that the seller has empathy for the hard place that you are in now.
      Yeah I'm aware of the formula. lol :/

      "I was once in your shoes exactly. You're tired of the false promises, and I understand. But I have THE method and I'm giving you this ebook free... etc. etc."
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Learn how to sell. Find something people want to buy online. Then sell it online.

    Seriously.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      Learn how to sell. Find something people want to buy online. Then sell it online.

      Seriously.
      you make it sound ALL SO SIMPLE but it really is like that, go to the buyers and people with money and offer them stuff to solve their problems. Then ring dat ole cashregister.
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      • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
        First of all; when you respond to someone, click the quote button.

        For myself and probably a lot of other successful IMers, true success came from figuring out methods that no one else was using or improving on existing methods.

        I got ideas from a bunch of different sources and came up with my own methods.

        You won't find most of these methods being sold as WSOs.

        The great Bluesman Muddy Waters once said; "If you've got something good, keep it in your pocket. Don't show anyone."
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      • Originally Posted by celente View Post

        you make it sound ALL SO SIMPLE but it really is like that, go to the buyers and people with money and offer them stuff to solve their problems. Then ring dat ole cashregister.
        I don't know. I mean when it boils down to it yeah, you find a need and fulfill it. But doing that it's not super easy, otherwise we all wouldn't be struggling with it.
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    • Originally Posted by nightrider85 View Post

      If you are being skeptical with online marketing..You are doing the right thing..never trust anyone easily...

      If you want to know how to make website and monetize them...feel free to visit my blog to watch my video tutorial how I did that...

      And don't trust me..trust yourself...build tacit knowledge...if you don't know what is tacit knowledge..read my humble article that I wrote at my blog here...Tacit knowledge in internet markeing

      And I'm also skeptical with your anyway...
      Yeah I know how to make a website. I know in theory how to monetize but I've failed on that end. Not that it matters cause my site doesn't get close to ranking.
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      • Profile picture of the author nightrider85
        Originally Posted by 01123581321345589144 View Post

        Yeah I know how to make a website. I know in theory how to monetize but I've failed on that end. Not that it matters cause my site doesn't get close to ranking.
        If you don't make money online that means your theory is wrong..

        Dare to fail..name one successful person on this forum that never faced failure in making money online...any warrior dare to raise your hand...???
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by nightrider85 View Post

          If you don't make money online that means your theory is wrong..

          Dare to fail..name one successful person on this forum that never faced failure in making money online...any warrior dare to raise your hand...???

          I once heard someone say, "the road to massive success is paved with massive failure."

          I don't doubt that many of us failed before we succeeded.
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          • Profile picture of the author nightrider85
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            I once heard someone say, "the road to massive success is paved with massive failure."

            I don't doubt that many of us failed before we succeeded.
            I LIKE..

            Yeah..set ur mentality to face failure...

            In any decision making you make you need a proper plan on what you're gonna do..like worst case scenario..

            If you don't have such mentality you are gambling..not doing business..

            just my 2 cent..

            cheers..
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by nightrider85 View Post

              If you don't make money online that means your theory is wrong..

              Dare to fail..name one successful person on this forum that never faced failure in making money online...any warrior dare to raise your hand...???
              Or it could mean that one's application of that theory is wrong. Even when Edison finally figured out the theory of running electricity through a piece of wire to generate light, he still had to go through many trials to find the right combination.

              After that? Spot on...
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              • Profile picture of the author nightrider85
                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                Or it could mean that one's application of that theory is wrong. Even when Edison finally figured out the theory of running electricity through a piece of wire to generate light, he still had to go through many trials to find the right combination.

                After that? Spot on...
                Thomas Edison failed more than 1,000 times when trying to create the light bulb. (The story is often told as 5,000 or 10,000 times depending on the version.) When asked about it, Edison allegedly said, "I have not failed 1,000 times. I have successfully discovered 1,000 ways to NOT make a light bulb."

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          • Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            I once heard someone say, "the road to massive success is paved with massive failure."

            I don't doubt that many of us failed before we succeeded.
            I agree. I think you have to fail to know what it takes to succeed. Without failure, you're not pushing yourself to your potential.
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        • Originally Posted by nightrider85 View Post

          If you don't make money online that means your theory is wrong..

          Dare to fail..name one successful person on this forum that never faced failure in making money online...any warrior dare to raise your hand...???
          Well yeah I've failed to monetize but I've read a lot of stuff on the subject. Reputable sources. I just haven't mastered it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
    I think part of the problem is that those who are making a bit of cash online think that anyone/everyone can follow their strategies and have the same success. They think their process is repeatable for others and it's not.

    Worse yet, they don't understand exactly what it is that made them successful and attribute it to the WRONG things and promote that to others.

    You'll even see some claiming that their way is the "only" way and that some other path won't work as well...or won't work at all. Completely misguided...but I see that all too often.

    Ultimately, making money online isn't much different than making money in the "real" world and most business strategies still apply. If you can drop the dream of free money, passive income, etc. and focus on building a real business you'll be in a better position to find some success...my opinion of course! :-)
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    • Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

      I think part of the problem is that those who are making a bit of cash online think that anyone/everyone can follow their strategies and have the same success. They think their process is repeatable for others and it's not.
      Hey, thanks for your input. Yeah I've always trusted Niche Pursuits, Adsense Flippers (and now you're Empire Flippers??), etc. more than the WSOs here because they seem to be honest about the amount of work it takes.

      I guess people really want it to be easy, but it takes a bit of work. Of course I've tried to do keyword research and so on and failed, but I'll keep trying to find a niche and exploit it.... I don't have much faith but I have to keep trying.

      Keep up what you've got with your website and all, it's impressive and I'm jealous. But I know that jealousy doesn't get you far. You need to put in the work.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarahAttkinson
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    I think you call yourself ignorant because you are skeptical. And you are skeptical because you do not know enough about IM. And when I say enough, I refer to experience of others and of your own. But you got quite a lot of useful indications here so I hope you can get rid of both your problems: ignorance and skepticism :-D
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    What you're looking for doesn't exist.

    You want to know how to make money online? Go to sites like Amazon, Barnes
    and Noble, Wizards of the Coast, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook.

    There are people out there making real money who don't sell how to make money
    products.

    But if you don't change your mindset, nothing you do is going to matter.

    Take this 2 cents for what it's worth to you.
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