I am skeptical and ignorant--help?

No, you don't need a high-ranking site (where your site ranks is relevant only to search engine traffic, which is about the worst-performing and least secure kind of traffic available anyway, for affiliate marketing).

No, you don't necessarily need a squeeze page either: a squeeze page is only one way of building a list. There are others.

This thread might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

If anyone tries to sell you anything here, without you specifically asking them about it first, even if it's under the guise of "trying to help you", please report it to the moderators by clicking on the little red triangle adjacent to their post (or their private message) and they'll be taken care of. With over 500,000 members here, imagine what the forum would look and feel like, if people were allowed to do that.

How does that happen? If you haven't subscribed to their lists, you should report them as spammers.

I read many posts like yours all too often. There are many people in this industry that are in it for the money and can care less that the stuff they give out is junk. There are few who understand that building relationships and helping others is the key to growing a REAL business.

With that said, there are some marketers out there willing to help you but you must stop looking for the next best thing out there. You know.. the shiny objects.

Making money online is very easy and simple. People make it harder than it is.

My suggestion is to hook up with people that can help you and are willing to do so without trying to sell you something. Start building relationships with people on this forum and elsewhere.

Send me a PM so we can exchange contact info and chat via skype. I'd be glad to help you.

If you need money quick, get a job flipping burgers. Making it in the long term is about beating your head against the wall until you find a crack. The trick is to find something repeatable and consistent with your values and interests before you fall into a coma.

it is kinda stupid to read such psychological threads, nobody will help you (probably) & the most - nobody can help if you don't want.

Hey fibonacci guy!

The best thing you can do is be skeptical. Don't let that stop you from taking action though. The truth is that a LOT of people fail but still some do make money. Then there people that never take a risk which is just as bad as failing...

A large percentage don't make any profit. A smaller percentage just make enough to reinvest in their projects. A smaller percentage than that actually make a decent profit. An even smaller smaller smaller percentage of that make a full time living doing it.

Point is, try not to get concerned with what others are making because everyone's story is different. Spend time learning and taking action on a method. Test and test and find what methods bring you the best results. Don't buy 50 WSO's a week and say there is no money to be made online. Find an avenue you want to pursue and master it. Learn all you can about it. Most of your knowledge will be free, all you have to do is seek it.

You want to make money online...

...and you have a issue with people who
are making money online.

Frankly, number man...

If you WANT to build a business, you're
going to have to invest in yourself.

You're looking for someone to hold your
hand, pat you on the back and cradle to
your emotions when things don't go your
way.

...and getting emotional in business is
the surest way to failure.

Perhaps this is a bit harsh for you to
bare...

...it was hard for ME to bare when I 1st
started.

But the truth has always served me well.

You're going to get a LOT of great FREE
information in this forum. Most of which
is spread very thin.

If you want to good training. I would
suggest hiring a coach.

...but seeing as how you're comfortable
paying for a college education...

...but UNcomfortable paying for financial
education to PAY for college.

Well...you got a problem on your hands.

~~ Joe ~~

From what I notice less then 1% make money. I think the key to geting sales online is to deal with complexity in a way that you can't loose. You have to be able to fail many time for cheap and fast in order to learn till you become profitable and you need to do this often unless you run into a home run right away. Good luck

I am also generally skeptical (or sceptical, as we spell it in England), but the Warrior Forum is a notable exception to the IM junk that predominates elsewhere. There are some good, helpful marketers here and sound rules to deter the spammers and scammers.

For starters, don't work for somebody else's program. You don't need somebody else's so-called system to make money. Simply start creating and selling your own stuff and do affiliate marketing along with that.

Creating and selling your own products is quite rewarding and it will make you money. I ahve made money selling my own e-books and doing stuff on Fiverr for just $5.

Now I know that $5 is not a lot to think about, but let that build up and you can see what happens here. Mainly I wuld focus on creating your own products, building a subscriber list and not get involved in those cookie cutter web site generators and programs that claim that you can make boatloads of money.

The only one making that boartload of money is that individual who is selling you that program. You're just left to keep right on struggling while they collect your money each and every single month.

Those programs aren't worth the money you pay for them. Yeah, I get a lot of those same emails that you get in your inbox too and they're quite annoying.

They wave huge wads of cash in your face, show fake video proof and show you fake screenshots and such trying to get you to believe that you too will make the same amount of money.

Just do your own thing that is all that really matters here.

I know that feel, the feeling of being used and the feeling of scammed. so this is what I do:
1. I stop promoting someone else product, instead I create my own product, it just happen that I am very good at teaching a particular skill.
2. I stop buying paid traffic, you will get scammed because the one who visit your site is just someone who is playing around with their proxy. I start building a list. Make sales funnel and eventually get the hang of how it works.

One last thing, if you feel scammed by someone in here, report to the admin.

Nice handle you've got there 01123581321345589144 - or can I just call you 011?

Actually, I think I might know your pal, 118

Maybe you got into the wrong niche, the niche is having too much competitor for you to compete. or maybe the niche is seasonal. I think you should try your effort to find the niche that have potential market. search the market first before deciding to promote any product.

Welcome, Fibonacci man.

Starting out is definitely the hardest part. The key is not giving up too early, as you may only be a few steps away from seeing the money come in.

I've made sites before that I thought were failures. But as I kept learning and progressing, the new knowledge I was acquiring helped me turn those "failures" into money sites. There are so many different ways to monetize websites, it does take some time to fully understand how everything works.

Before you start to see any real money come in, you'll first need to understand how everything works online, and why it's actually possible to make money online.

You're in the skeptical stage. That's normal and I think everyone goes through that in the beginning. Once everything starts to click in your head, that stage will phase out.

But things only start to click as you learn, so gaining knowledge should be your priority. Marketing books, blogs, other forums, ect.. In this biz, knowledge is power. And you can learn something new every day.

It won't be easy, but it's certainly attainable. Think outside the box and don't give up.

I love your skepticism man! I was once a newbie in Internet Marketing and I am still learning...

You're completely right that most "make money online programs" the real earners are the program-owners and not the participants.

The way you can "sell" something is when you realize that people are looking for stuff (and not just to make money). Some people are looking for learning how to dance, cook, meet the love of their life, train their dogs, how to brew beer, etc.

When you find a need or a niche as they are called, you have something where you can create a product around (solve the need or problems people are looking to fulfill or solve) and then market that in a way that tells them directly in the eyes that, "This is what you have been looking for, this will solve your problem you are struggling with".

Then how all this looks in practice is what you can learn from some internet marketing programs while others just sell you the dream. When people tell you that you can make millions off by taking their program, they are 99,9% trying to rip you off, as simple as that.

You CAN make millions (and I know I will too this year!) but not just by taking a program but through long-term (or preferably, but not recommended, rob a few banks) hard and smart work and figuring out human psychology and apply it on a big scale.

However, affiliate marketing (where you sell other people's stuff), that is the "real deal" because there you actually sell something, like a physical product in a store but you have infinitive of them.

Go to ClickBank and look what sells best in the marketplace, that will give you an idea of what needs most people are having right now to fulfill and there you can jump on the bandwagon before it is too late! ;-)

Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.

First of all, treat it as a business and be serious. If you want to open a business you need to learn from the best. So learn from a good coaching program, someone who is famous and made it in the industry... dont go for many of the "too good to be true" promises out there.
You definitely need a Squeeze page, blog and an autoresponder and need to know how to direct traffic and a little of money.... It needs work and dedication, but dont give up ...

We can't help you unless you will want to at least review some opportunities to earn money. I am sure there are plenty of people here who can offer you something great. Listening to that what they have to offer will not heart, lol. Come out of your shell and let people help you!!!

There are several different methods to making money online ... but the thing that most successful people online have is a list.

Not only do they have a list, but they treat their list with respect. A business is NOT an eBook, program, or website... but your prospects/customers.

You first need to find a niche that is profitable then start building a list and nurturing a relationship with them.

Then occasionally promote or create a product that will help solve their problems. The biggest seller online is information... If you found a technique that decrease a person's back pain guaranteed- more then likely there will be thousands of people wanting to pay you to know how that is done.

First off, I think you should avoid Affiliate Marketing as a money-making method. If you don't, you risk becoming the kind of person that you don't trust presently.

I can probably hear your gut response to the previous paragraph right now... If you are going to do affiliate marketing, you will make sure that you are not one of those scammers who simply present offers, because they might make a few bucks from it... Instead, you will take the time to make sure that the offers you are promoting really do offer good value to your readers...

Yet, you seem perfectly unwilling to accept at this time that other affiliate marketers could be making only honest recommendations, based on their belief that you could be helped towards your goals if you purchase that product?

I have seen you say 3-4 times already in this thread that most folks presenting training packages to you are scammers. You seem overly paranoid -- well beyond simply cautious -- about the information that is made available online in paid format.

HINT: If you don't believe anyone should be making money on the information they share with you, who will be left to buy your stuff when you start selling stuff online?

Every day, I see industries, niches, marketing tools, marketing methods and specific marketers painted as scams or scammers...

I personally buy and review hundreds of products per year, and I rarely see something that is truly a scam. What I find more often is that the only difference, between the person who says that something is a scam and the person who makes no such accusations, is the number of hours and the level of effort a person puts into seeing something to success.

In other words, the people who tend to yell "scam" are those who don't put any real effort into making something work, and the people who make no such accusations are the type of people who see things through to fruition.

A healthy skepticism is always a good thing, but I don't think that there is anything healthy about the level of skepticism you have brought to this conversation.

My advice is to learn from the warriors here on warrior forum on a regular basis because that is how I have done well thanks to the people here. Don't get scammed into anyone's scheme until it is backed up by other people;s reviews.

Most products have a money-back guarantee on them, and if you do a bit of research before buying, you can get a good sense of which sellers refuse to honor their guarantees.

All products that I create have a 30-day guarantee on them.

Clickbank products all have a 6- or 8-week guarantee on them.

Most products that are sold through PayPal have a 45-day refund window on them through PayPal specifically, provided that the seller hasn't indicated something different from that.

In the past few years, I have only seen 4 or 5 sellers try to avoid refunding their customers for a purchase.

When a vendor in the WF offers a money-back guarantee, then refuses to honor their guarantee -- if the moderators are notified about the issue and the vendor is found to be in the wrong -- the offer will be closed and the seller will usually be banned from the forum.

All that is really required is a little due diligence to make sure that you are dealing with a vendor who honors their guarantees, then it will be up to you to make the information work for you or look pretty on your hard drive.

Hello,

One of the main keys to Internet marketing, just as in anything that is worthwhile, is that you learn from the mistakes and build off of that. You're not going to be a great success or make lots of money right off the bat. Virtually everyone goes through a growing, testing process, even when they have quality coaching and mentors to follow (and yes, there are quality mentors and coaching out there).

Affiliate marketing involves you choosing products that will satisfy your niche or target market, and ONLY those products. You only promote the products that you think are quality AND will benefit your niche or target market. This is why you must find out what your niche/target market is first and learn what makes them tick, what problems they are having, what they are wanting, etc. Just choosing any old product and no market to promote it to will greatly hinder your chances of success at affiliate marketing.

It certainly helps to build a list, whether you're doing affiliate marketing, infoproduct creation and marketing those creations, joint ventures, etc. It's easier to sell to someone who trusts you than someone who doesn't know you from Adam. This is why it's amazing that companies even today will try to go out and find new customers when they'd have an easier time selling to the customers they've sold to before.

This doesn't mean that you shouldn't be looking for new customers- you should always attempt that, but you should never forget about the customers you've already served either. Many new Internet marketers make this same mistake- don't be part of that group!

Learning how to do keyword research effectively is key to succeeding online, as this is what will help you nail down your niche/target market. In addition, you'll learn the LSI keywords (i.e. secondary keywords) you should be using as well for your site, for your articles, tags, social media, etc. You can use the Google AdWords Keyword Tool or a number of other keyword tools (MicroNicheFinder, etc.) some of which were sold on the Warrior Forum at one time (Keyword Scout, etc.).

Hopefully, this helps. Keep in mind: the only way you'll truly fail is if you quit. You obviously can't succeed if you quit- that is for certain!

Take care,

Joe Chengery

p.s. As Sandra indicated previously, the "sad story" in sales copy is a copy writing technique that informs the reader that the vendor has been in the buyer's shoes previously.

It is simply a mechanism to show that the seller has empathy for the hard place that you are in now.

Learn how to sell. Find something people want to buy online. Then sell it online.

Seriously.

I think part of the problem is that those who are making a bit of cash online think that anyone/everyone can follow their strategies and have the same success. They think their process is repeatable for others and it's not.

Worse yet, they don't understand exactly what it is that made them successful and attribute it to the WRONG things and promote that to others.

You'll even see some claiming that their way is the "only" way and that some other path won't work as well...or won't work at all. Completely misguided...but I see that all too often.

Ultimately, making money online isn't much different than making money in the "real" world and most business strategies still apply. If you can drop the dream of free money, passive income, etc. and focus on building a real business you'll be in a better position to find some success...my opinion of course! :-)

I think you call yourself ignorant because you are skeptical. And you are skeptical because you do not know enough about IM. And when I say enough, I refer to experience of others and of your own. But you got quite a lot of useful indications here so I hope you can get rid of both your problems: ignorance and skepticism :-D

What you're looking for doesn't exist.

You want to know how to make money online? Go to sites like Amazon, Barnes
and Noble, Wizards of the Coast, YouTube, Twitter, Facebook.

There are people out there making real money who don't sell how to make money
products.

But if you don't change your mindset, nothing you do is going to matter.

Take this 2 cents for what it's worth to you.