Do people actually still fall for flimsy WSO comments?

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Ever read a WSO and then the first three comments are something like

"OMG.I ....am........IN!!!! this is an incredible offer everyone should snap up now at this price it won't be around for long! xxxxx has been around for a long time with AMAZING products and I am a BIG fan of all his work"


"Are you CRAZY.. all this SUPER-D-DOOPER content for 7 bucks! You must be INSANE !!! Stop what your doing everyone and get this before xxxxx realizes the value"



Like is the target audience really that gullible? Does this actually work for people? Its a really thinly veiled attempt at social proof and establishing an authority figure.This also applies across other marketing channels but the WSO's are particularly cheesy!What do ye guys think?
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  • Profile picture of the author olavlind
    People who are new to the sales process get hooked by the emotion in the testimonials. Even though they know it might be hype and purchased testimonials, they can't help themselves. They think that if even 10% of the hype is true, it may be a good deal. So they buy.

    It psychology, and people new to marketing always fall for that crap. Heck I STILL buy some of those :-)

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      Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

      BUY FROM PEOPLE YOU KNOW!
      Best advice ever !!!
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    Gah! Sadly, yes, they do. I had the same feeling trying to pick CB products, it feels like putting your hands in a vat of snake oil and trying to sift through looking for diamonds!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Originally Posted by helpinghand182 View Post

    Ever read a WSO and then the first three comments are something like

    "OMG.I ....am........IN!!!! this is an incredible offer everyone should snap up now at this price it won't be around for long! xxxxx has been around for a long time with AMAZING products and I am a BIG fan of all his work"


    "Are you CRAZY.. all this SUPER-D-DOOPER content for 7 bucks! You must be INSANE !!! Stop what your doing everyone and get this before xxxxx realizes the value"



    Like is the target audience really that gullible? Does this actually work for people? Its a really thinly veiled attempt at social proof and establishing an authority figure.This also applies across other marketing channels but the WSO's are particularly cheesy!What do ye guys think?
    I call them the "praise posse." And it's the reason I rarely buy a product when it first launches. I'll wait till page 2 or 3 when I start seeing some real buyers make comments about it and see what bugs or support issues are posted before I consider buying anything, even if it costs me more to do that.

    But some sellers who I have purchased from before and had a good experience with I won't do that. I'll either buy soon or not buy at all, depending on the offer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scotty Bee
    I agree with olavlind.. For newbies it can be the excitement of the buy but I wonder if this is also what turns a lot of warriors off after they get a bit of experience under their belt. It may even give someone the feeling that they were ripped off when they were new and maybe it wasn't the wso of the century. Just my 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author edlewis
      Did you ever think that some people REALLY believe the products they are buying are great deals...?


      If I buy something and I'm blown away by the value...I am going to say so in the thread.

      Sure there may be some who are friends of the seller or part of some "mastermind" group with the seller...but some people are just satisfied and enthusiastic customers - no cheesy trick behind it.
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      • Profile picture of the author helpinghand182
        Originally Posted by edlewis View Post

        Did you ever think that some people REALLY believe the products they are buying are great deals...?


        If I buy something and I'm blown away by the value...I am going to say so in the thread.

        Sure there may be some who are friends of the seller or part of some "mastermind" group with the seller...but some people are just satisfied and enthusiastic customers - no cheesy trick behind it.

        No I don't. Hyperboles like "blown away by value" are just nuts especially when you know this when the product has been up a few hours

        Just look at your last comment on the thread that made me post this thread.

        "Too good of an offer to pass up...

        And I personally LOVE the audio content. More content for me to listen to when I go on a walk!

        Listening to "The Easy Way to Create Products Fast" right now. About 30 minutes thru and I can honestly say I've already gotten more than my money's worth...

        Great offer....a true WSO!"


        Come on man? You taking me for a fool?Keep that talk to the WSO itself

        Interesting that you guys are saying it emotion selling. Its what I considered and I suppose it must work. Like another poster said anyone who does buy WSO is better off waiting to see till a thread reaches pages 3 or 4 and see how the buyer responds to feedback and look out for legit reviews.

        Its just funny how obviously cringey they comments are sometimes!
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        • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
          Originally Posted by helpinghand182 View Post


          Interesting that you guys are saying it emotion selling. Its what I considered and I suppose it must work. Like another poster said anyone who does buy WSO is better off waiting to see till a thread reaches pages 3 or 4 and see how the buyer responds to feedback and look out for legit reviews.

          Its just funny how obviously cringey they comments are sometimes!
          Exactly. The "true" reviews / opinions come later on in the thread. From the people who aren't being nice just because they got a free review copy.
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    Emotion sells. People always buy on emotion and justify it with logic later.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      Emotion sells. People always buy on emotion and justify it with logic later.
      This.

      Which is unfortunate. There are a LOT of GREAT WSO's. But they tend to get lost in the hyped-up ones promising the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kal Sallam
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      Emotion sells. People always buy on emotion and justify it with logic later.
      Emotions are somethings Fake reviews are something else, just saying
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      • Profile picture of the author scrofford
        Originally Posted by Kal Sallam View Post

        Emotions are somethings Fake reviews are something else, just saying
        Yep I agree completely. The problem is that you don't REALLY know if the reviews are fake or not. Of course you can make a good educated guess, but you never really know. And selling on emotion can seem like hype and fake if the copywriter goes over the top with the sales letter or people go too far over the top with testimonials by exaggerating.
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    • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
      Originally Posted by scrofford View Post

      Emotion sells. People always buy on emotion and justify it with logic later.
      This right here. Appealing to a buyers emotions is the #1 tactic you can use as a seller. Once you got a persons emotions hooked, they will later rationalize their purchase.

      Sometimes this is what is called impulse buying.
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      • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
        I've reviewed several WSOs and if I thought they were worth a shout I gave it to them. If I didn't think they were all that great I politely told the seller I wouldn't give his material a review. But that's just me. If you ask for an honest review that is what I will give you.
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        • Profile picture of the author helpinghand182
          Does this mean that if the product was good you left a review and if it was bad you didn't leave any review?
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  • Profile picture of the author tz6119
    I guess if I get dragged in and fall for the hype and overstated comments then decide to purchase. Which I have done many times by the way. Then shelve it for later use(maybe).
    Is that a bad thing?
    Or was it just good sales copy.
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    • Profile picture of the author helpinghand182
      Originally Posted by tz6119 View Post

      I guess if I get dragged in and fall for the hype and overstated comments then decide to purchase. Which I have done many times by the way. Then shelve it for later use(maybe).
      Is that a bad thing?
      Or was it just good sales copy.
      Sales copy is sales copy. Good sales copy will make you fall for it and purchase the product.

      However if you fall for enthusiastic comments such as the ones I have wrote above then that is a pretty ridiculous on your part unless your entirely naive to the marketing world-- and then why are you here in the first place?

      My query is not about the sales copy. Its about the cringey "WOW, What VALUE. This has the potential to be the BEST WSO EVERRR!" comments that you will find right now when you pop by to the WSO forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author tz6119
        Has anyone ever been enthusiastic about a product they have bought?

        Has anyone ever experienced the WOW factor?

        I'm not telling.
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        • Profile picture of the author helpinghand182
          Originally Posted by tz6119 View Post

          Has anyone ever been enthusiastic about a product they have bought?

          Has anyone ever experienced the WOW factor?

          I'm not telling.
          Are you trying to say these comments are legit?
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          • Profile picture of the author tz6119
            No not at all. Probably not.

            I have been blown away and thought Wow before. If I think Wow I do tell people.

            Personally I skip over the hype and most the testimonials. Read between the lines.
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      • HH,

        I read through many of the WSO offers that come through. What is more surprising to me is that I rarely read a testimonial where someone actually bought the WSO, studied it, took action, had a result and described what did or did not happen. They are out there just few and far between.

        If any creator of a WSO thought through the creation process beforehand they should want confirmed results from others first, as the marketing greats of old taught us, before launching something strictly from their own results.

        With confirmed results from others it positions the creator of the WSO as having tested their process thoroughly using 3rd party individuals and groups. Tweaking the areas that come to light from the test results. Already having many of the buyers questions answered before they are asked, all before the WSO launch.

        This positions any creator of a WSO as BELIEVABLE! When you are believable and are known for your thoroughness you make it real easy for buyers to purchase, not just at the time of the WSO launch but also with future projects.

        The other area any creator of a WSO short changes themselves and robs themselves is not having testimonials that carry weight.

        "His products are great" doesn't carry the same message weight to the reader as "I bought it, took action and increased my _____ using this system"

        "She took me by the hand and taught me how to tweak our system and we increased readership by 24%" instead of "She really knows her way around IT"

        Simply put most of the WSO's I read are putting their proverbial cart before the horse and their proven results are subjective and quite honestly one invites the dreaded "Please Refund My Money".
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Originally Posted by helpinghand182 View Post

    Ever read a WSO and then the first three comments are something like

    "OMG.I ....am........IN!!!! this is an incredible offer everyone should snap up now at this price it won't be around for long! xxxxx has been around for a long time with AMAZING products and I am a BIG fan of all his work"


    "Are you CRAZY.. all this SUPER-D-DOOPER content for 7 bucks! You must be INSANE !!! Stop what your doing everyone and get this before xxxxx realizes the value"



    Like is the target audience really that gullible? Does this actually work for people? Its a really thinly veiled attempt at social proof and establishing an authority figure.This also applies across other marketing channels but the WSO's are particularly cheesy!What do ye guys think?
    Surprisingly, those are the exact type of comments people genuinely leave. I've received them on a couple WSO's from people who aren't affiliates and haven't been given a review copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    "$7? I would have happily paid $997 for this same information. What a steal. Get this while you can."

    I just LOVE those comments. People who have been given a free review copy so they didn't even pay $7 for the product and then they are trying to tell us they would have paid $997. What a load of you know what.

    You'd be very well advised to ignore most of the first page or two of comments in popular WSO's. You will find a lot of the times they are just full of comments and reviews from their partners, affiliates, mastermind members, etc. I know this because I've seen that side of things.

    The real customer reviews and the reviews you want to concentrate on are those that start after about page 2. This is when you are hearing from real customers and also when any issues the product has are more likely to be brought up since people have had a chance to play around with the product.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      "$7? I would have happily paid $997 for this same information. What a steal. Get this while you can."

      I just LOVE those comments. People who have been given a free review copy so they didn't even pay $7 for the product and then they are trying to tell us they would have paid $997. What a load of you know what.

      You'd be very well advised to ignore most of the first page or two of comments in popular WSO's. You will find a lot of the times they are just full of comments and reviews from their partners, affiliates, mastermind members, etc. I know this because I've seen that side of things.

      The real customer reviews and the reviews you want to concentrate on are those that start after about page 2. This is when you are hearing from real customers and also when any issues the product has are more likely to be brought up since people have had a chance to play around with the product.
      100% spot on!
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    • Profile picture of the author ronrule
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      You'd be very well advised to ignore most of the first page or two of comments in popular WSO's. You will find a lot of the times they are just full of comments and reviews from their partners, affiliates, mastermind members, etc. I know this because I've seen that side of things.

      The real customer reviews and the reviews you want to concentrate on are those that start after about page 2. This is when you are hearing from real customers and also when any issues the product has are more likely to be brought up since people have had a chance to play around with the product.
      Eh, sometimes... I don't give out review copies, so all of my comments are from buyers, but I do consolidate them back to the original post to break up the squeeze page. I've found it helps with sales tremendously - once a thread is several pages deep, people aren't reading the comments and tend to ask the same questions over and over. By putting the relevant stuff right in the front, they're all seeing it.

      Maybe that's turning off some buyers, but it seems to be making the point with the majority vs. not doing it.
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    If your audience are people who will sign a petition that says "My signature to this petition makes it official, I'm a Moron" then yeah by all means it works. (People sign the moron petition... )


    ROFL!
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    How many times a month do we need this same thread?

    See WillR's post above for the best advice in it. The rest is all the same stuff, recycled from every other incarnation of this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author anton343
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      How many times a month do we need this same thread?

      See WillR's post above for the best advice in it. The rest is all the same stuff, recycled from every other incarnation of this thread.
      I haven't seen this same thread before and there seems to be enough people commenting that suggests they haven't.

      The advice to check out page 2/3 was something I found useful and will use in the future. I am sure others found this useful advice so maybe if similar threads have been around before this thread still has some use and thanks to the OP for posting

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I haven't seen this same thread before and there seems to be enough people commenting that suggests they haven't.
        Or they've seen it and are commenting again, as is the case for at least a few of the folks in the thread.

        The OP has been a member here for 2 months, and feels comfortable implying that some random chunk of the members are liars, based on absolutely nothing but his own skepticism. The only concrete example he gave was an attempt to rebut someone by pointing to their non-hyped review of a product they had paid for and for which they were not an affiliate or otherwise connected.

        Yeah. That's real useful.

        When called on it, one of his responses was, "Are you trying to say these comments are legit?," which amounts to claiming none of them are. Which is far more absurd than the "problem" he pretends to be addressing.

        We have some simple rules as far as reviews in the WSO section. You have to have bought the product or received a review copy to comment on it. If you are an affiliate for the product, or received a review copy, you must disclose that along with your review. Failure to do so will result in deletion of the comment and (almost always) a ban for some period.

        If a seller is found to be actively involved in promoting or posting fake reviews, we ban them.

        Just like everywhere else in life, some people are more enthusiastic in their expressions than others. And, sometimes, the offers really warrant the "over the top" comments. A good example would be any of Max Rylski's graphics products.

        This generic bashing stuff gets old. It accomplishes nothing useful at all.


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        • Profile picture of the author SEOAiko
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post


          This generic bashing stuff gets old. It accomplishes nothing useful at all.

          Paul
          I couldn't agree more. We can do better than bashing and make other people agree or comment on what we have to say.

          All of us here are moderators and if someone intended or by chance made a mistake, we can always report them or warn them. I'm not sure on how to handle fake reviews by people (as for your concern, the first page comments). Who knows they have had the offer before and are keen to endorse what they believed was great?

          Perhaps, we can check on their previous posts. If they are doing this every time, we may think they are paid to post such reviews. Hard to tell, it's not easy to prove a thing without proper evidences.

          To the OP, I find this very helpful, you might want to check

          http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...moderator.html
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        • Profile picture of the author helpinghand182
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Or they've seen it and are commenting again, as is the case for at least a few of the folks in the thread.

          The OP has been a member here for 2 months, and feels comfortable implying that some random chunk of the members are liars, based on absolutely nothing but his own skepticism. The only concrete example he gave was an attempt to rebut someone by pointing to their non-hyped review of a product they had paid for and for which they were not an affiliate or otherwise connected.

          Yeah. That's real useful.

          When called on it, one of his responses was, "Are you trying to say these comments are legit?," which amounts to claiming none of them are. Which is far more absurd than the "problem" he pretends to be addressing.

          We have some simple rules as far as reviews in the WSO section. You have to have bought the product or received a review copy to comment on it. If you are an affiliate for the product, or received a review copy, you must disclose that along with your review. Failure to do so will result in deletion of the comment and (almost always) a ban for some period.

          If a seller is found to be actively involved in promoting or posting fake reviews, we ban them.

          Just like everywhere else in life, some people are more enthusiastic in their expressions than others. And, sometimes, the offers really warrant the "over the top" comments. A good example would be any of Max Rylski's graphics products.

          This generic bashing stuff gets old. It accomplishes nothing useful at all.


          Paul


          Hey. I read the being a better member moderator thread and found it useful while agreeing with what that is about.

          However I am not attempting to "bash" anyone or claim anyone is doing fake reviews. I have not mentioned fake reviews in any previous post.

          Regarding the validity of the thread - I have not seen one other thread on WSO comments and when I search the forum for "WSO comments" I bring up no likewise threads. If there is I would like some links so I can read through them.

          This thread has 439 views at the time of writing so there is definite interest in the topic. While you personally may have seen similar threads in your time you must respect people who haven't and would like to discuss the topic.Especially if there is not a sticky or obvious thread of similar ilk.

          Yes I have only been a member since the turn of the year.I am trying to become a little more involved in the community as I start to understand how things work around here.I am trying to be as "real" as possible. I am not promoting anything or affiliating anything and I am sure there are people reading this who appreciate that.

          This thread was not about fake reviews. This was about flimsy WSO comments that in reality hold little value or information about the product. Personally,like a few others have noted they have the opposite effect on me and make me feel the WSO is using obvious underhand tactics that should not be necessary if the product holds true value as stated.

          For example a new WSO is released and the first 5 comments are hyped up mega value comments that are made by those involved in the a "mastermind" group or those who have been given a free product review.

          Its not "skepticism" as you like to point out.. Its realism. When a person comments use ridiculous hyperbole withing 20 minutes with buzz words like WOW and call to actions like GET IT NOW or this is crazy value at 7 bucks it should be 497 there is such a clear alterior motive going and there is a clear reason to look out for not falling into this trap of social proof and establishing authority.

          I am not claiming a "random chunk" of members are liars like you say. I am wondering to these WSO comments hold much weight and according to some posters above due to "emotional" purchases they do!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sancho Sanches
    Originally Posted by helpinghand182 View Post

    Do people actually still fall for flimsy WSO comments?
    Yes and it's not just the hype. I can't believe
    the little details I pick up between the lines
    (inconsistencies, etc.) that so many people
    seem to miss.
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  • Profile picture of the author PSinPS
    When I was new I bought some total junk, I mean TOTALLY crap WSOs, based on the reviews. I read things like "Awesome!", "I am blown away!" The comments were from people who were supposedly WF veterans.

    It wasn't so much the small amount of money I spent on the crappy WSO, it is more about the time, effort and money I invested in following the WSO. There are always a lot of newbies looking at the WSO and it really sucks that people leave comments like this and suck in the newbies. It is NOT RIGHT!

    Sure, you Pollyannas can say, oh, maybe they were actually good WSOs and I just didn't follow them correctly. No, many are CRAP. Period.

    Yes, there are some good ones that I learned a lot from, but that doesn't make leaving over enthusiastic and total BS reviews for the poor ones okay.

    Just my $0.02.
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  • Profile picture of the author mialove
    When i was new to warrior, i wanted to buy almost any "hype wso" with super hype comments.
    Its very embarrassing. ...
    Well, took me 2 days to understand whats going on, and a i asked for refunds for all the crap i bought.
    Right now, i am an "experienced" buyer, and i buy just good stuff.
    I can smell all the hype and BS from the first look, and it's saves me time and money.
    When people come in, its so exiting to see all those that sells dreams, that i guess, even intelligent people, can go lost for a few moments
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  • Profile picture of the author jchengery
    Hello helpinghand182,

    Marketing is all based around emotion because we buy based on emotion, not reason. We reason why we purchase something after our emotions lead us to buying it. Then, "3rd-party" reviewers (i.e. not the buyer or seller) leaving testimonials based on the quality of the product will make those inexperienced and those who really get sucked in into buying.

    I agree that that formula is used to a negative effect, especially for those who are unfamiliar with the process. I know that I've bought WSOs that have legitimately been good to great, while others have been, "ho-hum - nothing great, nothing new."

    You learn over time certain things and factors to watch out for when determining if a WSO is really legitimate in being quality information or if it's being overhyped. This doesn't guarantee that you won't buy a WSO that isn't that good, but it can help to limit the chances (and having to ask for a refund).

    Just my 2 cents. (I like using that phrase too, PSinPS! :-).

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  • Profile picture of the author luna522
    Maybe it works for some people...but frankly if I see a post like that here, I'm gone.

    I might check it out to see their sales page and what not, see what kind of set up they have going. But usually I don't buy it.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisnos
    Originally Posted by helpinghand182 View Post

    Ever read a WSO and then the first three comments are something like

    "OMG.I ....am........IN!!!! this is an incredible offer everyone should snap up now at this price it won't be around for long! xxxxx has been around for a long time with AMAZING products and I am a BIG fan of all his work"


    "Are you CRAZY.. all this SUPER-D-DOOPER content for 7 bucks! You must be INSANE !!! Stop what your doing everyone and get this before xxxxx realizes the value"

    Like is the target audience really that gullible? Does this actually work for people? Its a really thinly veiled attempt at social proof and establishing an authority figure.This also applies across other marketing channels but the WSO's are particularly cheesy!What do ye guys think?
    trust is probably the most important thing in the marketing world today. when people are always talking about long versus short sales letters, or how to write compelling content, or anything like that, all of that stuff is effectively meaningless if the person reading it thinks you're a scammer, is skeptical, or doesn't trust you.

    one of the biggest things I learned about marketing is that, for example, if you write a really long sales letter, that the person trusts you, it can be the cheesiest, most spamming looking sales letter EVER, and the person will want your product, because you've taken the time to demonstrate that you know what you're talking about, and that you can get results.

    If you focused on building credibility before you started doing marketing and sales pitches, because today the marketing landscape is different than it was 20, 50, for 100 years ago, because there's more competition than ever before, and what was once marketing that promised people a beneficial result, because 5000 people are doing the exact same thing, now looks just like spam and white noise, where people are just fighting for attention to be heard, and the trust element is the something deeper and makes you stand out from all the competition and builds a real relationship with people, so that when they buy their products, will remain loyal to you, because they are more than anything looking for someone they can trust, who they can rely on to give them what they're looking for without screwing them over.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    As the father of the "WOW!" WSO review, I can say that we "WOWers" have just as much right to our opinions as you (All of the above) "I bought this and it is c@$Pers."

    Here is an example of my latest "WOW" WSO Review. No, I am not an affilate or a member of any cartel, never have been never will be...

    In my Opinion L*****e has made two false statements. One was made in her sales post and one in her eBook. (notice my trade mark controversial misdirection)

    1. "I am not a Kindle genius."

    2. "I am not a Kindle Guru."

    In my Opinion you are both. (at this point the WSO seller is going, "Whew.")

    In my heart I "knew" the core information in your GREAT eBook.

    In my mind I didn't know how to tap in on my knowledge.

    Now I do.

    This eBook is going up with every few sales. I suggest buying it at any price and I do mean ANY price.

    George Wright P.S. It's the best $7.50 I've spent this year so far.
    I actually use "WOW" and "This is a no brainer," and "Are you KRAZY?" sometimes too.

    Way back in the 90s when I gave a WSO seller my first WOW WSO review it made him way over $10,000. (I think it was the best selling WSO to that date. I could be wrong.) I've been hooked on giving my "WOW" reviews ever since.

    Sorry Guys, I have a LOT more to say here, but, there is a knock at the door and I have to leave. (Going out for dinner) I'll be back in about 4 hours with some more reasons for you to hate me. (or like me, your choice )

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    • Profile picture of the author helpinghand182
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      As the father of the "WOW!" WSO review, I can say that we "WOWers" have just as much right to our opinions as you (All of the above) "I bought this and it is c@."

      Here is an example of my latest "WOW" WSO Review. No, I am not an affilate or a member of any cartel, never have been never will be...



      I actually use "WOW" and "This is a no brainer," and "Are you KRAZY?" sometimes too.

      Way back in the 90s when I gave a WSO seller my first WOW WSO review it made him way over $10,000. (I think it was the best selling WSO to that date. I could be wrong.) I've been hooked on giving my "WOW" reviews ever since.

      Sorry Guys, I have a LOT more to say here, but, there is a knock at the door and I have to leave. (Going out for dinner) I'll be back in about 4 hours with some more reasons for you to hate me. (or like me, your choice )

      Pollyanna

      Hey man I don't hate you!

      I was just wondering to these style of comments work for people !

      Obviously some people like you do write like that and that's cool but other peoples hyped up comments due to affiliation or whatever have lessened the impact of your "true" hyper review!

      I just thought the targeted market would be a little more savy in general for these comments to work!
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Obviously some people like you do write like that and that's cool but other peoples hyped up comments due to affiliation or whatever have lessened the impact of your "true" hyper review!
        More random accusations...

        If you have specific examples of alleged "affiliations" not being disclosed, please PM me links to them. Otherwise, this gets filed as "Yet another spurious claim."


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        • Profile picture of the author helpinghand182
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          More random accusations...

          If you have specific examples of alleged "affiliations" not being disclosed, please PM me links to them. Otherwise, this gets filed as "Yet another spurious claim."


          Paul

          Hey Paul! I replied to your original post with a lengthier reply above!

          Well for the comment to be made in the first place a product has to be actually given to the poster yes?

          In some of these cases like other posters have mentioned the poster of the hyped up comments has been given the product for "free" to review yes?

          For example in many cases the poster of the hyped up comments will say

          "xxxx was kind enough to give me a copy of this product to review but I would glady have paid many times the asking price for this information etc ..."

          This is within the rules and disclosed so where am I making spurious claims??
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Hey Paul! I replied to your original post with a lengthier reply above!
            Yeah. Most of which is contradicted by the actual words you chose in your earlier comments.
            This is within the rules and disclosed so where am I making spurious claims??
            Getting a free review copy is not enough to qualify as "an affiliation."

            You seem to use entirely different meanings for a number of words than most others do.


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            • Profile picture of the author Pluton
              What you have to remember is that there are lots of "chancers" on the WSO SO forum and the crap they turn out is incredible. Unfortunately people get sucked into the sales hype.

              I think when you have been round here for any length of time you get to know the good guys.

              Regarding reviews have you ever noticed that very often an "iffy" looking WSO is accompanied by "reviews" from quite a few Warriors with low post counts ?
              I knew of one guy that had many more than one account and these were used to inflate the number of reviews.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Originally Posted by Pluton View Post

                I knew of one guy that had many more than one account and these were used to inflate the number of reviews.
                Please PM me links to the offer(s).


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        • Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          More random accusations...

          If you have specific examples of alleged "affiliations" not being disclosed, please PM me links to them. Otherwise, this gets filed as "Yet another spurious claim."


          Paul
          I find it surprising that a mod of the WF is not aware of what is going on in the WSO section, and how reviews are being engineered and traded... I have seen that practice first hand. Nop, I cant be bother to report it or present proof of it, but I was surprised your negation on this whole issue.

          Oh well, each of us free to believe what we wish, and more importantly how reckless we are in our purchasig decisions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            AA,
            I find it surprising that a mod of the WF is not aware of what is going on in the WSO section, and how reviews are being engineered and traded...
            ... Because, of course, we are omniscient and omnipresent, and we see all that happens online, inside the forum and out.

            Or maybe we don't. 'Cause, you know, maybe we're limited, fallible creatures, like everyone else.
            Nop, I cant be bother to report it or present proof of it, but I was surprised your negation on this whole issue.
            I didn't 'negate' the whole issue. Or even deny that it happens. In fact, I acknowledged it when I mentioned nuking accounts because of it.

            The following has been edited to be more polite than my original response...

            If you "can't be bother" to report issues, you have no business complaining about the mods not knowing they exist. And if you actually have evidence that this is happening and don't show it to us, you're as guilty as the people doing it.


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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Hi,

      I finally made it back. Sorry it took so long. I lost my train of thought and it took me a while to finally get back on track.

      So, I left off with “I have a lot more to say.” (In favor of the “WOW WSO review that is.)

      Life is delightful for me. I hold to the fact that anybody can see what's wrong with a person place or thing, however happy people are the ones that choose to see what's right with a person place or thing.

      I have to admit when a sales letter litterally forces me to buy the WSO, that starts out as a plus for my future review. To me the WSO includes not only the finished product but all of the steps of the buying process starting with the headline on through the sales letter down to the buying experience.

      See, I make some money online and that being the case I'm always looking to swipe any and all ideas that lead me to buy any given product. So if I buy something I take note of what made me buy and if the product lives up to the whats, great and if not then that just gives me one more future product to create with a sales letter practally already written for me. (Remember I Swipe)

      Now, that leads me to my reason for my WOW WSO reviews.

      When I have the combination of a sales letter that made me buy along with a product that lives up to the sales letter, either by actually making me a few bucks or at least by convincing me that IF I did use the method it would work for me, (early on in this thread someone said they have a “BS Meter,” Well, I have a “This would work meter.) I am WOWed and ready and eager to post my WOW review.

      Some may not like the main reason I post my WOW reviews. OK, one reason is I truly believe others would benefit from buying the WSO, but that's not the main reason. The main reason is I'm trying to help a fellow Warrior make some sales. Thus.....

      I use my best copy skills to add to his/her sales letter.

      Like I said earlier, like me, hate me or really don't care one way or the other, now you have my reason, and I'm sure many other's reason for going overboard with our....

      WOW, Your KRAZY, HURRY and GRAB this before the price goes up, NO BRAINER.... Reviews.

      Not any one's affiliate or cartel buddy, just a student of Allen Says, (A Warrior that is) trying to help,

      George Wright

      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      As the father of the “WOW!” WSO review, I can say that we “WOWers” have just as much right to our opinions as you (All of the above) “I bought this and it is c@.”

      Here is an example of my latest "WOW" WSO Review. No, I am not an affilate or a member of any cartel, never have been never will be...

      Quote:
      In my Opinion L*****e has made two false statements. One was made in her sales post and one in her eBook. (notice my trade mark controversial misdirection)

      1. "I am not a Kindle genius."

      2. "I am not a Kindle Guru."

      In my Opinion you are both. (at this point the WSO seller is going, "Whew.")

      In my heart I "knew" the core information in your GREAT eBook.

      In my mind I didn't know how to tap in on my knowledge.

      Now I do.

      This eBook is going up with every few sales. I suggest buying it at any price and I do mean ANY price.

      George Wright P.S. It's the best $7.50 I've spent this year so far.

      I actually use "WOW" and "This is a no brainer," and "Are you KRAZY?" sometimes too.

      Way back in the 90s when I gave a WSO seller my first WOW WSO review it made him way over $10,000. (I think it was the best selling WSO to that date. I could be wrong.) I've been hooked on giving my "WOW" reviews ever since.

      Sorry Guys, I have a LOT more to say here, but, there is a knock at the door and I have to leave. (Going out for dinner) I'll be back in about 4 hours with some more reasons for you to hate me. (or like me, your choice )

      Pollyanna
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      • Profile picture of the author helpinghand182
        Cool reply!

        I respect that!
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Michal
    As the old saying goes...

    Suckers, there is one born every minute...

    Sadly
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