Do Warriors ever barter their services?

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Hi all,

Just thinking...there are things I'm good at (as it related to internet marketing skill set) and other things that I absolutely suck at, or don't know how to do at all.

If I wanted to trade services -- like, I'll write that copy if you knock out that bad*ss site design -- does that exist on this forum?

All best,
#barter #services #warriors
  • Profile picture of the author stsnelson
    I would barter if I knew the people could be trusted to deliver...lol

    I actually do it in some ways now.
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  • Profile picture of the author stsnelson
    Bill,

    I currently provide web design services for a business and tech support. In exchange, they provide me with discounts on the products and services they offer. Since I developed a relationship over the last 2-years, I know (trust) this person will deliver.

    So, it may start off with money but if I feel the money is not as important as the services I can get in exchange we agree to what each will get for the price and it works.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        I believe offers like this would be appropriate in the JV section, wouldn't they?

        I know this is something I have talked about to a few people. I would willingly write articles for someone in exchange for a unique WP theme or header.

        Tina G
        Hi Tina,

        Thanks for the thought. I agree that this thread may be more appropriate elsewhere...the JV threads seem to be heavy on cross-promotion, ad swaps, etc.

        Your example, and Shawn's previously, are what I have in mind.

        So to follow you, if I was great at WP themes and/or header designer but hated to (or couldn't) write well, I would want to barter an arrangement of services with you.

        Anyone else feel this way?

        Thanks!
        Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wagoner
    I've bartered my writing skills several times for graphic
    services, and don't mind doing it at all.

    If there is something I need which can be swapped
    equitably, I don't hesitate to barter.

    It goes on a lot more than it is made public, IMO.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
        Originally Posted by stsnelson View Post

        Bill,

        I currently provide web design services for a business and tech support. In exchange, they provide me with discounts on the products and services they offer. Since I developed a relationship over the last 2-years, I know (trust) this person will deliver.

        So, it may start off with money but if I feel the money is not as important as the services I can get in exchange we agree to what each will get for the price and it works.

        Was that helpful?
        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        Just to be clear, I wasn't implying that this thread was in the wrong place. I just meant that I think it would be acceptable to post in that forum offering some sort of deal like I mentioned with articles for graphics.

        I think it's a good topic that will hopefully get more attention. With so many newbies coming in saying they're broke, maybe they will see that they have other options.

        Tina G
        Hi Tina,
        I completely took you the right way...no worries there!
        Interesting that you bring up broke newbies. It sparks a couple of other ideas.
        1) If you're broke but have a skill, then you can get something together. ie, broke but have writing skills, could pair with a graphics guy. Together, create a site.
        2) Many newbies don't have skills, just a need/desire to make money through online means. What could they offer in return that would make sense to someone with experience?

        All best,
        Bill
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
          Originally Posted by Dennis Wagoner View Post

          Hiya Bill,

          I've been contacted via PM and email by others wanting to
          work out a service exchange, and I've also posted in the JV forum
          seeking a trade.

          Truthfully, if all else fails you can just ask someone if they'd
          be interested. The worst thing which can happen is they tell
          you they don't need your services.

          There's a lot of talented people here on the WF, and some of
          them do barter their talents.

          When I'm the one initiating the barter, I do my utmost best to
          over deliver on my end, as anyone I've written for will tell you.

          This makes it a much more appealing proposition for
          your potential trade partner.

          Hope this helps!

          Dennis
          Makes perfect sense, Dennis. Have you ever been approached to be a writing partner? For instance, every month you write X amount of content for X dollars?

          We're so quick to outsource critical elements, and then complain about the quality.

          Thanks!
          Bill

          Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

          It's funny that you asked this question. Today I actually bartered my search engine services with a lawyer in exchange for his legal services. He wasn't even in the search engines for his own company name so it was an easy sell. I literally saved thousands of dollars and will likely get some referrals from him.

          I also made a deal today with a local web design company. I'm going to let him private label SEO services and offer them to his web design clients. He was excited about this opportunity because it was like new found money for him.

          Having Internet Marketing skills is very powerful. You're really short changing yourself if all you use them for is ebooks and WSOs.
          Ron,
          It's so great to hear this. And weird too, as there are 2 offline products drifting around now...I just got Howie Schwartz's email for newest thing...and something last week about offline goldmine.

          But it makes perfect sense. I'm curious about the web design company. Did you just approach them, like a cold call, or people you've dealt with?

          Thanks for pitching into this thread!
          Bill
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          • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
            Originally Posted by Bill Guthrie View Post

            Ron,
            It's so great to hear this. And weird too, as there are 2 offline products drifting around now...I just got Howie Schwartz's email for newest thing...and something last week about offline goldmine.

            But it makes perfect sense. I'm curious about the web design company. Did you just approach them, like a cold call, or people you've dealt with?

            Thanks for pitching into this thread!
            Bill
            I already was doing some SEO work for one of his web-design clients. I needed to contact him to get the FTP info. You'll find that most web designers don't no jack about marketing. Finding a way to make more money from their existing clients is a real no-brainer for them.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wagoner
              Bill Guthrie

              Makes perfect sense, Dennis. Have you ever been
              approached to be a writing partner? For instance,
              every month you write X amount of content for X
              dollars?
              Yes Bill, I have worked several times as a writing
              partner, and have yet to be disappointed in the
              outcome. I currently have one arrangement in which
              I provide ongoing content by simply writing two articles
              every day in the same niche.

              This is a super easy way to make a small change in the
              way you do business that can be quite profitable, or
              even allow you to trade for another monthly service.

              You can definitely consider me a big fan of the
              barter system, and the arrangement of paid monthly
              content.

              Dennis Wagoner
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              • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
                Originally Posted by Dennis Wagoner View Post

                Yes Bill, I have worked several times as a writing
                partner, and have yet to be disappointed in the
                outcome. I currently have one arrangement in which
                I provide ongoing content by simply writing two articles
                every day in the same niche.

                This is a super easy way to make a small change in the
                way you do business that can be quite profitable, or
                even allow you to trade for another monthly service.

                You can definitely consider me a big fan of the
                barter system, and the arrangement of paid monthly
                content.

                Dennis Wagoner
                Dennis,
                Could you tell us how this type of work can be found? Did you post somewhere in the forum?

                Thanks,
                Bill
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
      Originally Posted by Dennis Wagoner View Post

      I've bartered my writing skills several times for graphic
      services, and don't mind doing it at all.

      If there is something I need which can be swapped
      equitably, I don't hesitate to barter.

      It goes on a lot more than it is made public, IMO.

      Dennis,
      Can you give some insight into how this might work?

      I mean, if this is happening in some frequency behind the scenes, is it just a posting in the JV forum as Tina suggested to get something going?

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisByrns
    Sure thing, i'm always interested in alternative methods of payment. (e.g. i'll do cartoons or headers in exchange for backlinks from established/relevant sites)
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by ChrisByrns View Post

      Sure thing, i'm always interested in alternative methods of payment. (e.g. i'll do cartoons or headers in exchange for backlinks from established/relevant sites)
      Chris, your artwork looks good. Do you do caricatures?
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      Just when you think you've got it all figured out, someone changes the rules.

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      • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
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        • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          Just because a person is a newbie to internet marketing does not mean they are a newbie to the internet. They may already know how to create a site or make graphics. These days, many are doing this stuff in junior high for their computer classes!

          Tina G
          Another great point, Tina!

          Do you have any opinion on a newbie making that skill marketable, such as signing on with elance or promoting it with this forum, in addition to applying it to affiliate marketing?

          Thanks!
          Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author PLRwithAlex
    I agree.

    Bartering is a great way to get some valuable assets for you business. None of us can afford the time to be an expert in all fields. :-)

    Alex
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wagoner
    Hiya Bill,

    I've been contacted via PM and email by others wanting to
    work out a service exchange, and I've also posted in the JV forum
    seeking a trade.

    Truthfully, if all else fails you can just ask someone if they'd
    be interested. The worst thing which can happen is they tell
    you they don't need your services.

    There's a lot of talented people here on the WF, and some of
    them do barter their talents.

    When I'm the one initiating the barter, I do my utmost best to
    over deliver on my end, as anyone I've written for will tell you.

    This makes it a much more appealing proposition for
    your potential trade partner.

    Hope this helps!

    Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    Originally Posted by Bill Guthrie View Post

    Do Warriors ever barter their services?
    It's funny that you asked this question. Today I actually bartered my search engine services with a lawyer in exchange for his legal services. He wasn't even in the search engines for his own company name so it was an easy sell. I literally saved thousands of dollars and will likely get some referrals from him.

    I also made a deal today with a local web design company. I'm going to let him private label SEO services and offer them to his web design clients. He was excited about this opportunity because it was like new found money for him.

    Having Internet Marketing skills is very powerful. You're really short changing yourself if all you use them for is ebooks and WSOs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wagoner
    Excellent trade Ron, and thanks for the posting your experience with
    mixing offline/online services.

    Maybe more Warriors will be inclined to consider offline trades for
    their skills after seeing your example.
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  • Profile picture of the author gb4biz
    Bill, Hi!

    I believe that's what is so great about WF. If you really need something, you can usually get it if you ask and aren't trying to scam someone. I know I've helped several people with a product they needed ( gratis ) and I'm sure If I needed something they had, all I would have to do Is ask. Hope this helps! Great to hear about the article possibility Tina. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author mmurtha
    Hey Bill,

    Yeah, it's done quite a bit here. I know I barter all the time because like you mentioned, there are things that I do well, and things others do well. I know I work with a couple of groups on specific projects, but I also work on private projects like a service where I may have to look on the outside of my network. Bartering comes in handy for both parties.

    It pays to work together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig Fenton
    Hi Bill:

    You bring up a great and overlooked way for mutual benefit.

    I am always willing to barter if it is advantageous for both people and honest and ethical!

    Could we set up a Barter Section in the forum?

    Thanks for a great idea!
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
      Originally Posted by mmurtha View Post

      Hey Bill,

      Yeah, it's done quite a bit here. I know I barter all the time because like you mentioned, there are things that I do well, and things others do well. I know I work with a couple of groups on specific projects, but I also work on private projects like a service where I may have to look on the outside of my network. Bartering comes in handy for both parties.

      It pays to work together.
      MMurtha,
      I'm hittin' what you're pitchin'. But what really got me thinking about this--and Tina actually hit on this a little earlier in the thread--has to do a bit more with what a lime green newbie could offer in the way of service (and let me be clear, I am not fishing here on my behalf).

      So many people hit this forum with the dream of $10k a month; that idea is being barked at them, and there are those who believe that to be an inevitable truth...if they just follow some blueprint they either purchased or were given through a list building strategy.

      But I keep thinking that many of those newbies, what they likely need is just a little more money...to make ends meet, to take up the slack from spouse's hours getting cut, etc...Hell, we're in a recession, you know what I mean.

      So is there an internet marketing-related service that newbies could offer within the forum (or another niche)? Something that could bring in a little money every month, get them acclimated to the online way of things, strengthen a skill set?

      Or am I just being naive?

      Thanks!
      Bill




      Originally Posted by Craig Fenton View Post

      Hi Bill:

      You bring up a great and overlooked way for mutual benefit.

      I am always willing to barter if it is advantageous for both people and honest and ethical!

      Could we set up a Barter Section in the forum?

      Thanks for a great idea!
      Hi Craig,
      Glad you liked the idea. I haven't been here long enough to make any suggestions
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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    Once I bartered sales copy for a website design. I must say, it worked out pretty well. It happened during my early stages as a copywriter when I was looking for more projects to gain experience. I must say, the guy did a great job on my website.

    I've also worked out some deals with Warrior friends of mine. For instance, I remember helping another writer get through a few articles in exchange for PLR on niche I needed.

    You should know, the best way for bartering to work is to establish relationships first. I will say that it may be hard for a new member to find people willing to barter with you because it takes a while to establish credibility and trust. So, keep posting and meeting new people and the perfect opportunity will soon rise.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Wagoner
    Bill,

    Well this thread was a good start.

    Try posting in the JV forum, and your sig is also
    a great place to put a short blurb about being
    open to service exchange.

    There are many graphics artists here on the WF.
    If any one of them in particular has work you like,
    contact them through their site and just ask.

    Going by your OP, I can only assume you wish to
    trade your copy writing service for in exchange for
    graphics.

    You may well find some graphics artists interested in the
    JV forum.

    I've traded articles for minisites in the past, so I see no
    reason why you can't do the same with web copy.

    Hope this helps,
    Dennis
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  • Profile picture of the author Instructor
    The only issue would be determining what a fair rate of exchange would be.

    Some offer services at $300/yr and others charge $10/hr for the same service.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bill Guthrie
      Originally Posted by Dennis Wagoner View Post

      Bill,

      Going by your OP, I can only assume you wish to
      trade your copy writing service for in exchange for
      graphics.

      Hope this helps,
      Dennis
      LOL...for a minute there I thought "OP" meant "opt-in" page, and thought you'd visited my signature link and were commenting on how bad my splash page was...I'm trying! Much better at interviewing and writing than working with graphics.

      It's an excellent point, Dennis!

      Originally Posted by Instructor View Post

      The only issue would be determining what a fair rate of exchange would be.

      Some offer services at $300/yr and others charge $10/hr for the same service.
      Nice, Instructor. You bring up another good point. If you're an unproven writer, for example, charging $15 per 500-word article seems a little steep.
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