is it really all a numbers game?

by sdlive
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yes no??????????????????????
#game #numbers
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrisonJ
    Yes but you need a good conversion machine to make as much money as you can from those "number" (people/leads).
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  • NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a DATA game.

    Traffic is NOTHING without data.

    I can get all the traffic in the world, but if I don't know who they are, where they came from, why they're coming, why they're leaving, what they're clicking on, how to engage them, how to keep them, how to funnel them, and how to convince them that I am the greatest item EVER, then there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in that traffic.

    It is THIS reason I enjoy a 20 percent conversion rate.

    And I'm still not satisfied with that.
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    • Profile picture of the author salmanijaz
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

      NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a DATA game.

      Traffic is NOTHING without data.

      I can get all the traffic in the world, but if I don't know who they are, where they came from, why they're coming, why they're leaving, what they're clicking on, how to engage them, how to keep them, how to funnel them, and how to convince them that I am the greatest item EVER, then there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in that traffic.

      It is THIS reason I enjoy a 20 percent conversion rate.

      And I'm still not satisfied with that.
      Can not agree more with that ....
      Traffic is so easy to get but it all depends where is it coming from and how you convert this traffic in money ...
      I will be more happy to have 50 genuine visitors rather than a 1000 window shoppers ....

      Just my 0.02
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    • Profile picture of the author butters
      Originally Posted by Auctiondebteliminator View Post

      NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's a DATA game.

      Traffic is NOTHING without data.

      I can get all the traffic in the world, but if I don't know who they are, where they came from, why they're coming, why they're leaving, what they're clicking on, how to engage them, how to keep them, how to funnel them, and how to convince them that I am the greatest item EVER, then there is ABSOLUTELY NO POINT in that traffic.

      It is THIS reason I enjoy a 20 percent conversion rate.

      And I'm still not satisfied with that.
      Data is useless if you do not quantify it into number so the correct conclusions can be drawn. Hence, data is numbers The initial collection can be word, but to draw any worth conclusions from it, it needs to be transferred into numbers.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdlive
    is data letters?
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
    A numbers game, eh?

    I suppose if you're looking at it from a dollars and
    cents point of view.

    Personally...

    ...I see it as simply relationships.

    Real, air breathing human beings with beating
    hearts pumping with blood.

    If anything, it's a peoples game. A human game.
    One with souls looking to solve problems facing
    them in everyday life here on Earth.

    Is it about money? Too some extent.

    But is it ONLY about money?

    ...or about helping people?

    The numbers are a reflection on how effective you
    are at helping people and being compensated for
    it.

    But that's just me.





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  • Profile picture of the author stefanvanray
    The truth is always somewhere in the middle. We need numbers and data and one doesn't work without the other. But your niche needs to be considered, if you have built up a good responsive list and are using targeted offers specific to your niche, you could actually make more money with your own list than with paid ads. Everything is sales but behind each sale is a person. We connect with that person on some level, we greatly raise our chance of conversion. But as I said, not everyone will agree with this. A lot of this is niche and marketing method specific. My advice is pick a niche and method and stick with it, reinvest capital to grow your business, fine tune, tweak and test. Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author alvinchua91
    Numbers? Yeah, that's assuming your quality ís decent, then numbers are definitely very important.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Almost none of it is a numbers game, really.

      As history reliably and repeatedly shows, the people who imagine that it's "mostly a numbers game" are the ones most of whom won't still be here in a couple of years' time: they're just making up the numbers.

      Quality leads everywhere (including, eventually, to quantity).

      Quantity alone leads nowhere.

      Just one little example: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7933450
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Benjamin
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

          Matt Lloyd is a millionaire (soon multi-millionaire) because he helps thousands get real results.

          Could you say the same?
          It doesn’t matter what I’m earning. The point is that I wouldn’t say the same, because I don’t make earnings claims, have no financial/commercial interest in any IM/MMO niches at all, and am selling/promoting nothing at all here.

          Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

          ...what is your issue with those who wish to serve more people on a larger scale...than you?
          I have no issue with Mr Lloyd at all. I know nothing about him. All I did was link to a post in a thread of which his name happens to appear in the title. (It was not I who put it there!). Even my own post in that thread says nothing about him at all. The discussion in general, and my comments in particular, have nothing to do with him. It's about "quantitative approaches to list-building".

          I’d never heard of the guy until seeing his name in that thread, and I haven't heard of him again since.

          It never occurred to me that what I've said in this thread might be construed as criticizing any specific individual at all, and if it was open to that interpretation, I'm happy to clarify that.

          (I hadn't actually noticed that the title of the thread of which I linked to a specific post happened to include someone's name: I pasted it in without looking carefully - that's just what happens when you link to a specific post you've bookmarked: the thread title appears as anchor text. Sorry!).

          Originally Posted by Joe Benjamin View Post

          ...are you're morally superior to those who are doing
          bigger numbers than YOU would personally do?
          Sorry, Joe - I don’t doubt that you make many valid and interesting point in your post, but to be honest I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, here. I can't see anything to do with "moral superiority" in this thread at all. Please excuse me.

          My emphasis is always on quality, not quantity, and I do think that's a superior approach, in general, and I do say so regularly. I don't see anything "moral" about it, though.

          And thanks for your kind comments above.
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          • Profile picture of the author anton343
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post




            Sorry, Joe - I don't doubt that you make many valid and interesting point in your post, but to be honest I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, here. Please excuse me.

            And thanks for your kind comments above.
            I am not sure what he is getting at either I have never seen yourself try to say you are superior to others. All I can say is I have received sound advise from some of the posts you have made in my own and different threads.

            Even if you disageed with my point of view

            Anton
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  • Profile picture of the author debra leroy
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    If that is what you care about, then yes, it is.
    But I think it has to be much more than that o get full satisfaction out of it, don't you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    It is and it isn't.

    Most people talk about IM as:

    Traffic x Conversions=$$$

    Which is true.

    BUT how you get that traffic and those conversions is by building a great product and relationships with other people.

    You can't split test it or quantify the value of it, but it's the X factor that makes a good business great.
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