Should I quit Pure Leverage?

It sounds like you need some guidance before jumping into something like Pure Leverage. I hear it's a great money maker but great for experienced marketers or people who spend a lot of time and dedication on it.

I would suggest starting at the bottom. A simple training course to help ease you into affiliate marketing.

Thanks Andy, any course recommendations?

I would.

I'm no lawyer but in my opinion it's very high-risk to run into eventual legal problems just as Empower is, and for more or less the same reasons. If there aren't enough (usually defined by courts as 70%) genuine retail customers using the blog service without being involved in the business opportunity, it will eventually qualify for adverse regulatory attention, just as so many other similar "opportunities" have done. These things often have a limited lifespan of typically a couple of years or so - sometimes less, sometimes more. Eventually they run on to the rocks. US courts apply what they call "the 70% rule" (precedent law/case law, but just as binding on a state court as a statute is, I think), and at some point the owners will need to show that 70%+ of users of the service are genuine retail customers and not affiliates/distributors (which they clearly can't ever hope to do).

Just my perspective.

http://affiliatemarketingschoolbook.com/ is very good.

Thanks Alexa, I will have a look at the link...

I am thinking I won't waste my time with Pure Leverage right now as I do not have a list to even promote it too..

Cheers

MR

I have a dedicated server at GVO and I already have access to most of the products Pure Leverage has to offer. I also stay as far away from MLM products as I can because my business model depends on PayPal and their adaptive API.

I do know that Joel was over whelmed by just expecting 5,000 members in the Pure Leverage products. But receiving well over 45,000 new members in such a short time has cause all kinds of problems.

I also asked what benefits I would receive over the current ones I have now and it amounted to just a few more seats in the webinar room and a blog that I was told would be ready fairly soon.

Pure Leverage does offer free training not in just using their products but in marketing in General.

I did not see enough benefits to join for me. I did not use their webinar platform because it was not double duplex, but they have added double duplex for the moderators now. So the moderators can actually hold a normal conversation. I will be testing their webinar platform next month to see if it will work for my purposes.

They have good products and I'm still making income even though I NO LONGER actively promote GVO. I do have some passive links in a couple of spots for hosting. Plus I'm making money from my downline for Pure Leverage sales. the downline was created when I promoted GVO just after they move to Texas from Canada.

If you joined to make money with no marketing plan then I would advise to build a plan or quit. But if you joined to use the products and training that they offer then I would say to use everything they offer as much as possible.

You said you don't have a list but one of the products you have access to is their autoresponder. The GVO autoresponder that I have access to can't put videos in the email message like you can but it is a good autoresponder and you should begin building your list as soon as possible.

The only thing they don't have active yet is your blog, but you can open your own blog using wordpress and write articles, do co-registration, join giveaways, and other list building strategies that you can do with no list, while promoting pure leverage at the same time.

You have the tools available and the autoresponder has no limitations in Pure Leverage so you need to take action to get your list going.

There is also training tonight in a webinar on Pure Leverage, Have you been attending these webinars?

A month after joining a program and deciding to quit when you have probably not taken any action on your own to make it a success is not giving the program any justice.

Use all the training they supply and then take action on what you learn as soon as you learn. If they say step one is to do this, then you do it. You learn by doing and not complaining.

I know for the price you are paying for an unlimited autoresponder, which is very cheap and will not go up no matter how many subscribers you get. This is something I have not heard from any other autoresponder service.

You just need to make the decission to quit or take action. I did not see one review about Pure Leverage on your site. Start writing articles. After all, how long does it take to write a 400 to 500 word article about autoresponders, webinars and other products pure leverage has to offer.

Post in article directories, comment on other blogs using the same key words you used in your articles and leave a link back you your articles. Post the links to your posts on these other blogs on book marking sites. then after every 3rd or 4th post add a direct link to your article url to the book marking sites.

You will get traffic to your articles which you should use to build your list and then market Pure Leverage.

This is not hard to do but it does take a little work and time. the bottom line is to take action.

I hope this has been helpful,
Steve Yakim

I would try running solo ads to your sales funnel but then you are gonna need some money to make it happen. This is one of the fastest way to get returns on your product you are trying to sell.

All very good points, I will sit down and start to make a marketing plan and learn how to use the system correctly so that I can build a list and marketing to them.

Thanks for the advice so far guys, awesome stuff...

I will take action and see where it takes me.

Cheers

Mike

Focus on building a list...attach them to YOU. Then regardless of it being PL or whatever...you will have a resource.

Step 1...build your list. Focus on that like a bulldog.

Be relentless in your quest...take action every day. Momentum...momentum...momentum. Make that your blood.

Do one thing EVERY DAY to build that list. Send an email....get more traffic. After of course you setup the squeeze/offer/page to attach people to YOU.

HTH

I just quite Pure Leverage not too long ago... and I had 54 people in my downline. So I actually quit while I was making money.

I promoted PL during pre-launch but then after the launch, couldn't get passionate about the suite of products as they all have glitches and function poorly.

Things like the blog aren't even there yet, so they are advertising something that doesn't exist.

I had to 'remind' them of commissions they owed. Support was a disaster.

You can see how many people are frustrated by this and venting in the FB group.

They seem to be more concerned with giving away cars than fixing all the issues.

I'm sure in the coming months, once things are ironed out, it will be a great opportunity.

Right now, if you actually care about what you promote, it's a little sketchy.

Maybe that is because you didn't know that you had to pay another fee to become a reseller, or else your commissions go straight to the person who signed you up?

I tried PL for a few days, and learned fast, that it was set up to deceive people. One of the first things you see in the dash board is a button to build a squeeze page, but it sets it up with the affiliate link of the person who signed you up. It took me a while but I found the reseller button toward the bottom.

I asked the guy who signed me up, and he said he forgot to tell me that I had to sign up as a reseller after I have already paid for the membership. He is a great guy and may have forgotten, but that instant it hit me, that PL was not a program I want to be a part of. The "get started" guide tells you "lets start making commissions by creating your squeeze page, but it doesn't tell you that it is basically setting up the squeeze page with someone else affiliate link.

I talked on the phone with another warrior the other day, and he was telling how guilty he felt, because one of the guys under him made him about 8 sales, and he didn't tell him he had to sign up as a reseller to get some of those commissions, so he was getting all the commissions the guy signed up.

You hear everybody pitching the 100% commissions thing, but the truth is, it's only 100% for the first month, than it goes to 50% commission with the person who signed you up getting the other 50%.

Even the sales page pushes the 100% commission thing, and will hit you with the (oh yea, it's 100% commission for the first month, than 50% there after) when you have already paid and entered your credit card details.

You can make some money with PL, but you can make alot more money, by lying and deceiving the people you sign up. You can make money with PL, but you can also make money selling snake oil, so I guess it's on the way you promote it. I have been recruited by a handful of marketers to join PL, and not a single one of them told me it was 100% commission on the first month only, and failed to tell me that you had to sign up as a reseller also to be able to collect some of the sales I made.

I personally think nobody should be getting any percentage of your hard earned affiliate commissions, so if you want a real 100% commissions, just look on JV Zoo or W+ and sign up for products that offer 100% commission on the front end.

It's 100% comissions for the first month yes, after that 50% + 50% what your direct refferels are making...that's pretty sweet imo. Anyway...to TS: I am having great results but i am using custom capture pages combined with co-op's.

Interesting feedback again, I think I might have to look into customer capture pages and try and generate leads that way.

I'm so happy I don't know anything about these things, Pure Leverage, Empower, Rippin and whatever else. I see countless threads on the WF about them but aside from that I couldn't tell you what they are and everything I read seems sketchy.

Hey, you should always join a Network company under a Mastergroup or a team already in place.

A system must be in place in order to be successful.
The system must be designed with the team in mind where you and
all your downline all FOLLOW THE SAME SYSTEM as a general outline.

Everybody needs to head in the same direction as a team. A single minded focus on achieving the team objective is crucial.


I joined Pure Leverage with the VIP Wealth Academy....It's a great ...everything is there to be successful...

I like it , I have made a good amount of money with it.

You don't sound like you are ready to take on a project that requires promoting the site. I do not know where you are on your learning curb, but I would certainly consider where you are and decide with that in mind.
I hope this helps.

Most of us who have been with empower network or seen empower network know that the reason people make big money on there is not because of the blog but because of all the high ticket courses. If you can manage to sell those high ticket courses then that is your ticket. They just try to lure you in with the blog.

It depends entirely upon your intentions.

If you intend on making it work, then make it work.

If you intend on something magical to happen, and have no intention of putting any work toward your envisioned end result, then it's not for you.

It depends upon why you joined, if you are using the tools,
and a lot of other factors. I actually think that the suite of
tools is very good and very inexpensive compared to the
alternatives... but understand you probably joined primarily
for the income opportunity. Most people aren't going to
get rich overnight with PureLeverage... it takes effort and
YES a little more know-how than many members initally
have. However, do offer a lot of training in that area.

I found it fairly easy to sell, but then I do have a list and a
large following in numerous places.

As far as them being viable long-term, the feds do look at
the percentage of actual customers, how those customers
are defined, and how various parts of the company are
structured. I'm sure that Joel, who has been in a similarly
structured business for a long time has looked at all that,
but you have to do your homework.

When I compare it to a lot of other bizops, it made since
for me to get involved.

Willie

What is the product or service being sold? First point is, the courts COULD interpret this as a pyramid scheme. If you don't make any money you probably won't get sued, however if you Do then you might. This has been written a out a lot before on WF so I won't argue it.

Secondly, who wants to be selling this crap to their friends and colleagues? Looks so desperate I would rather clean toilets for a living! Instead of trying to scam/convince people to hand over money for the chance to ask people to hand over more money! Look at the YouTube videos around by distributors, makes me want to puke!

Am I missing something? Haha sorry having a bad day!

Thanks for the insight. In all the ads I have seen for it, they have all been about making money by recruiting, not about the auto responder feature. I guess you could argue that the website does not over emphasize the recruiting. So maybe they are covered and could say that they can it be held responsible for how their affiliates market themselves. Whether that would work in court is another matter.

What do you think a website/service/mlm like this one is making in terms of profit, gross and nett?

Thanks

Too many people who join PL, BIM, or EN *FAIL* because they refuse to treat it like a BUSINESS.

Here's quick tip: Treat your membership to these MLM AM sites as BUSINESSES. This means, stocking your blogs with posts, getting socially active, getting linked, getting blog mentions,etc. Don't just let the network take care of you. It won't. Do the work!

The good news is that you can outsource all of these. The content? For $125 a month, you can get daily compelling original content, PLUS periodic backlinks from other MMO sites that are established PLUS Twitter tweets PLUS mail traffic, etc.

There ARE solutions out there, people. Don't just whip out your credit card for an MLM membership and think that's that. No. You have to FOLLOW THROUGH.

If you do quit...make sure you use a second email to enroll under yourself first...you will need that to monitor whether or not they are still sending emails to people using your name. I have had lots of trouble getting them to stop emailing people. The emails are well written..but border on harassing AND they are written and sent as though they are coming from MY email. In my view..this is impersonation...and not legal.

I myself actually do use the tools as well as promote the products. when I got into pure leverage i was very happy that I didn't have to go with another autoresponder like getresponse or aweber because I already had an autoresponder that works. The best way to promote an mlm product is to actually use it. Then you have first hand knowledge of how it works. For the amount you pay the products you get are worth a whole lot more, and most people who are paying for all the products pure leverage offers in one marketing suite are paying an upwards of $100 or more.

I'm in Neucopia which is in the similar Genera as PL, EN, and MLSP. The chief caveat is target market. People can make money with these programs. It's just difficult to find leads who have an investment/hard work mindset. They've been polluted by things like Rocket Cash which to me, don't seem like real businesses. But once you connect with your market, then lookout!

I've made money with Pure Leverage and enough residual that some would call it full-time and I can tell you that PL is a great opportunity but of course you have to be capable of marketing it. Just by throwing up a site you aren't going to start making money magically. You need to be able to send qualified traffic to your opt-in pages and then have a compelling reason for them to buy. Personally I offer a huge bonus package to all my visitors to help them market and succeed with PL like we have ongoing support and weekly webinars, among other things, and I/my team can leverage that in our future marketing to attract more business partners and create a duplicatable system that is NOT generic.

As for the follow up series, I think it's really important to stay away from generic emails that MANY people are using. The market gets these emails all the time so if they see one from you they will automatically associate you with all the others, and that's NOT what you want. You want to be unique, original, and give genuinely valuable content. Help them get what they want and you will get what you want.

A lot has to be said for mindset and focus. So many shiny objects to distract you from your goal. Take some courses on mindset and read Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill. Pick another business and go for it