Why do you hate black hat?

by pactyson Banned
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Do you hate black hat techniques, SEO bots, Backlink bots etc?

I saw that majority of WF members hates black hat marketing, I don't know why...? Black hat tools makes my life easy and it can save my time. This is why I love black hat, and I became a black hat tool/bot programmer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    You won't last long on WF.

    Wish there was odds on it, I could do with a good win.
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    • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
      Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

      You won't last long on WF.
      Or anywhere else for long. Where do these "people" come from anyway?:confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Yes it makes life easy for just a time being but with Google updates it makes life miserable

    the worst thing with black hat is that in a day, it can collapse your empire,,,,can make one zero from hero.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeff09
    You can't tell black hat techniques always work. This will invite google penalty. But proper usage of black hat tools will give good result
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    I agree, it's all about how you use your blackhat techniques. As with anything if you abuse it then you will see horrible results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Payne
    Blackhat usually doesn't last in the long run. I must admit I started out on bh sites 11 years ago, made some good money, but I soon realized that in order to build real, long-lasting business, i need to do it the whitehat way. Never looked back ever since.
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  • Profile picture of the author pactyson
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    Then you guys are creating your backlinks but "manually". Right?
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  • Profile picture of the author anticoder
    Let me be blunt here (speaking as a previous blackhat method type).

    Google or any of your affiliates/adsense will catch up with you eventually. Many people here use things that net them long-term profit. Using Blackhat techniques destroys the long-term aspect, and thus is only used for quick gain until either A) it gets saturated and too many people use it or B) the services find out and nail you.

    Backlink services and such are generally crap! 100% crap. It's basically spam. If you have good content, you should be able to post your link in a comment on a high page rank site or others will naturally link your articles.

    This is coming from someone who has a very big site in a very popular niche/big competition who has NEVER backlinked, bought programs, read WSOs, used Blackhat methods, etc on it. Still ranking 1-3 for huge keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Reinhart Osmond
    Yes I think BH will not last long and we did not even make the business run and must restart from the beginning again.
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  • Profile picture of the author pactyson
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    You are all doing actually "Black Hat SEO" by creating backlinks... But you are not aware of it. It doesn't matter if you create backlinks manually or automatically. Black Hat is still Black Hat. You don't actually hate Black Hat... You hate just Automation Tools.
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by pactyson View Post

      You are all doing actually "Black Hat SEO" by creating backlinks... But you are not aware of it. It doesn't matter if you create backlinks manually or automatically. Black Hat is still Black Hat. You don't actually hate Black Hat... You hate just Automation Tools.
      You do have a fair point. If you are engaged in any kind of SEO, the colour your hat is entirely dependent upon the whims of Google.

      Will
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  • Profile picture of the author AsknWhy
    This has been an interesting debate.

    I think inherently one reason why alot of people tend to dislike Blackhat, is almost the same reason why people don't like "cheaters".

    Although many of you say that "blackhat" techniques do not last, I actually beg to differ on one circumstance that google has YET to ever clarify.

    When using a program that blasts comments / forum links - there is no way for google to ever determine WHO is doing it. There have been many "controversial" studies that say that blasting for a long period of time can actually result in the website being re-indexed and ranked.

    If ANYONE can blast ANYONE websites, who gets penalized? No robot is ever going to figure this out. The only thing google can do is re-index and put you into a sub-category which would eliminate the amount of "link juice" all these crappy links give to your website.

    I will say this. Blackhaters are probably some of the most innovative people. If you think about it, they don't operate in the realm of "norm" they operate in the realm where their world can change in a moments notice and they adapt fairly quickly.

    Just my 2 cents!



    Originally Posted by pactyson View Post

    Do you hate black hat techniques, SEO bots, Backlink bots etc?

    I saw that majority of WF members hates black hat marketing, I don't know why...? Black hat tools makes my life easy and it can save my time. This is why I love black hat, and I became a black hat tool/bot programmer.
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  • Profile picture of the author R E D
    Hate is such a hard word to use .. anyway, perhaps the reason why i dislike the spam tools is that most of my websites are hit by spam bots and i spend a lot of time removing spam and blacklisting domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Do you hate black hat techniques, SEO bots, Backlink bots etc?
      As someone else suggested, 'hate' is a very strong word. I wouldn't say I hate them.

      I would say that I find the categories you mention to be inherently destructive, and that's even worse than hate. As with any other kind of spammer, I could coldly and unemotionally nuke them from the net, without any twinge or twitch of conscience.

      Any sensible being has one response to parasites: Burn them out. Don't waste emotional energy on them. Just get rid of them, as quickly and as efficiently as you can.


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      • Profile picture of the author ErikNilsson
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        As someone else suggested, 'hate' is a very strong word. I wouldn't say I hate them.

        I would say that I find the categories you mention to be inherently destructive, and that's even worse than hate. As with any other kind of spammer, I could coldly and unemotionally nuke them from the net, without any twinge or twitch of conscience.

        Any sensible being has one response to parasites: Burn them out. Don't waste emotional energy on them. Just get rid of them, as quickly and as efficiently as you can.


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  • Profile picture of the author pactyson
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    White Hat will take a lot of time from you to get rich. Black Hat will make me a real millionaire soon... I am glad I am so interested in BH market.
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    • Profile picture of the author anticoder
      Originally Posted by pactyson View Post

      White Hat will take a lot of time from you to get rich. Black Hat will make me a real millionaire soon... I am glad I am so interested in BH market.
      Well, it's obvious you're a troll now.

      Nothing else to see here guys.
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      • Profile picture of the author pactyson
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        Originally Posted by anticoder View Post

        Well, it's obvious you're a troll now.

        Nothing else to see here guys.
        You don't even know what sarcasm and joke is... However, seriously black hat is faster way to make money.

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        You should have maybe taken that left turn at Albuquerque...


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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Originally Posted by pactyson View Post

      White Hat will take a lot of time from you to get rich. Black Hat will make me a real millionaire soon... I am glad I am so interested in BH market.
      You should have maybe taken that left turn at Albuquerque...


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  • Profile picture of the author davidfrankk
    This is the first time I've heard "proper use of Black Hat techniques" ! What does that even mean? According to me, if they were proper, they wouldn't be Black Hat !
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  • Profile picture of the author nitesh
    No, WF members do not hate black hat but it is the search engines that hate black hat and so we have to avoid black hat SEO techniques in our SEO campaign. If you are using black hat for longer then the search engines might punish your sites so my advice is that you also start hating black hat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sirr
    In the business world there are short term investments, and long term investments. This is the same as Blackhat (short term) and Whitehat (long term).

    Take the "Pay Day Loans" keyword. All the sites on top of Google for that keyword invest in Blackhat strategies. There is no chance in hell that you are getting to the top of that with a Whitehat strategy (there's a complete report and video on it for the nay-sayers). The same goes for other keywords in saturated, high competition, markets. Although the investment is short term, they are making so much money from it.

    Who wouldn't invest in a short term investment if the rewards could be millions? Seriously, are people going to turn there nose up at a few million all because the technique is Blackhat? You'd be stupid to.

    I have a mixture of Blackhat and Whitehat projects on the go. It's business, you make what you can, when you can. The most successful people in the world invest in both short and long term business ventures.

    This is a Whitehat forum though. It's like preaching Devil worship to Christians.

    Some people have an issue with morals and ethics when it comes to Blackhat. Some people don't have a clue how to use Whitehat techniques, let alone Blackhat ones. So long as your Blackhat techniques are legal there's no issue.

    There's nothing wrong with agressive, brute force, marketing - that's my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author CherryAffairs
    black hat is a very short term strategy. You will be gone soon. Don't risk. Do it the real good way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      It's pretty pathetic that a post of this nature should even be granted the time of day and exposure it's getting.

      The bottom line is the OP knows it's wrong, we all know it's wrong, and decent people ultimately pay the price for those who use these techniques; for example affecting their organic listings. Spamming is spamming whichever way you look at it, and if we all jumped on the same bandwaggon the internet would truly resemble the wild west. There would be no trust whatsoever.

      The OP, and people of his ilk, don't care about ethics. They only care about themselves so it's a manifestation of pure greed.

      On a personal note, I can make a decent living online using ethical means, and I know of hundreds of others doing the exact same thing. On the same personal note I don't think the OP has any value to contribute to WF, and if anything is poisoning the minds of vulnerable newbies who join up and read his garbage. But it's not up to me as to whether he's given a short holiday from here or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author ecopac
        What if EVERYONE used 'black hat' techniques, would that then make them white hat?

        The black hat guys keep us all on our toes in one respect! I don't agree per se with BH, but each to their own. I have other things to worry about to be honest!
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  • Profile picture of the author Monja
    In the end - black hat and all kinds of gaming the system never work. they do make life easier but in the end you have more work to fix what you did before. that is my experience and i did not even tried black hat but some other things such as hiring a virtual assistant for a few bucks an hour or ask someone else to edit videos for me.
    same for a SEO service i tried.
    and, after all, i don't wanna be spammed so why should i do that to others?
    and if not for anything else - i want to be able to look in the mirror in the morning without being afraid who i have become. guess i´m more the ethical type of person.
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  • Profile picture of the author davezan
    Originally Posted by pactyson View Post

    Do you hate black hat techniques, SEO bots, Backlink bots etc?

    I saw that majority of WF members hates black hat marketing, I don't know why...? Black hat tools makes my life easy and it can save my time. This is why I love black hat, and I became a black hat tool/bot programmer.
    How long have you been using those "black hat" methods, though? And I guess
    those methods are really helping you achieve your goals (i.e. $5,000 a month),
    short and/or long term?

    On the side, I'll share something from one of my favorite SEO blogs:

    Black Hat or White Hat SEO? It's Time to Ask Better Questions | SEOmoz

    I just want you to ask yourself (and your vendors) the hard questions. Are "low-value" tactics actually saving you money? How much risk are you really willing to take? Is your #1 priority to get up and running quickly and cheaply, or are you trying to build a real, long-term business?
    If indeed you'll be a millionaire owing to BH methods, feel free to let folks know
    how they work out for you (if ever) by then.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrgoe
    It`s not about hating black hat, it`s about using what works in the long run
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  • Profile picture of the author alistair
    No I don't hate blackhat tools, or blackhat techniques. Some can be useful.

    If you're talking just about spamming then yes I don't like that, although I can't say I haven't done it myself in the past as I'd be a liar, but we all make mistakes.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Paul nailed it when he used the term "parasites"...

      Blackhatters look to exploit other peoples' assets without regard to the effects their actions have on other people.

      And the makers of such tools should have a special spot by the eternal fire (like on a spit) because they enable the parasites to multiply.

      When a large number of people use a BH tool to, say, splatter their digital manure onto thousands of blog comment sections, they're not just manipulating search rankings. They're crippling innocent bloggers and webmasters with their toxic dumping.

      I'd tell you how I really feel, but I'd probably get banned...
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      • Profile picture of the author pactyson
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        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Paul nailed it when he used the term "parasites"...

        Blackhatters look to exploit other peoples' assets without regard to the effects their actions have on other people.

        And the makers of such tools should have a special spot by the eternal fire (like on a spit) because they enable the parasites to multiply.

        When a large number of people use a BH tool to, say, splatter their digital manure onto thousands of blog comment sections, they're not just manipulating search rankings. They're crippling innocent bloggers and webmasters with their toxic dumping.

        I'd tell you how I really feel, but I'd probably get banned...
        I've never coded Blog Destroyer (blog commenter) before, however you pissed me off and made me ambitious with your post I will develop the most powerful killer black hat SEO tool in this year! Because of you!! You insulted all blackhatters.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cali16
          Originally Posted by pactyson View Post

          ...however you pissed me off and made me ambitious with your post I will develop the most powerful killer black hat SEO tool in this year! Because of you!! You insulted all blackhatters.
          How old are you? 5? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author mikeac
    In the past couple of days I ve seen all types of "Black Hat this" "Black Hat that" threads pop up here on the WF. Im hoping this forum is not going down that route.
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    • Profile picture of the author mekdroid
      Why Cheating (aka Black Hat) does not work in the long run? See this study:

      Cheating Favors Extinction, Yeast Study Finds: Feedback Between Population and Evolutionary Dynamics

      "A new study has found that a yeast colony dominated by non-producers ('cheaters') is more likely to face extinction than one consisting entirely of producers ('co-operators')." (Gore, 2013).

      We are not that different from yeast, anyhow ...


      Sanchez A, Gore J. Feedback between Population and Evolutionary Dynamics Determines the Fate of Social Microbial Populations. PLoS Biol, 2013 DOI:
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      • Profile picture of the author Cali16
        No surprise that the OP joined the WF to sell his BH methods. :rolleyes:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ial-offer.html

        Really, Paul, please don't hesitate to "coldly and unemotionally nuke" any BH parasites that worm their way into the WF!
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Cali16 View Post

          No surprise that the OP joined the WF to sell his BH methods. :rolleyes:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ial-offer.html

          Really, Paul, please don't hesitate to "coldly and unemotionally nuke" any BH parasites that worm their way into the WF!

          Originally Posted by pactyson View Post

          White Hat will take a lot of time from you to get rich. Black Hat will make me a real millionaire soon... I am glad I am so interested in BH market.
          lol ... not too likely that's going to happen here buddy since you can't seem to get a WSO approved. :p
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          • Profile picture of the author Saintsfan40
            Black Hat tactics are garbage and unethical.

            Nuff said.
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    I don't H.A.T.E. anything it's not healthy.

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  • Profile picture of the author jivens
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    Because they're unethical.

    Lol?
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  • They are risky, dangerous, unethical and your business can disappear in minutes.
    That's why I love just white-hat techniques

    See you soon,
    Alessandro
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      I don't hate my black hat. It's a stylish little number that accents my little black dress.

      Thing is though, I use it ethically. I keep it on my head. I don't trick people with it, or do tricks with it. This way I never end up with broken egg on my face.

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  • Profile picture of the author dndoseller
    Because if you have a real business that means something to you, black hat techniques can put you out of business very very quickly.

    If you are just trying to turn a buck, for the sake of money, then black hat techniques can work very very temporarily.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarcusJohnson
    Definitely an unstable profit technique..One day you win some and the next day you lose it all. So its best to stick to white hat it can be tedious but the stability is an assurance.
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  • Profile picture of the author hirithk
    Hi
    I agree with your points, black hat makes life easy, but some where it will be like cheating, once google or search engines algorithm updated, our site will be penalised. due to these reason i have fear, Not today but tomorrow it may happen
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