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11 years ago

Install it in the main directory using the tools in your cpanel or whatever your host has. Don't make it harder than it needs to be.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Peter Thomas

Should I go the easy way to install WP via hostgator's fantastic

No.

It's not safe.

This is the only one of your questions to which I know the answer with confidence, but doing that significantly increases the chances of being hacked. WordPress has many advantages, of course, but this is one of its potential disadvantages.

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KateHunter 11 years ago

I prefer to install wp manually, it's not hard just follow the instructions on the wordpress 5 minute install page. But whether you use fantastico or not, you don't need Filezilla or any ftp program when you are using cpanel, you can just upload the files from within your cpanel, then unzip them (if they are zipped). Filezilla is best if you have a heap of files to upload, but for an install or just a few files, uploading using cpanel is easy.
The simple way to install wordpress directly to mysite.com Doesn't seem like you should install in a folder since you don't seem to have any reason to. Have fun with your site.
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Mkeating3

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

No.

It's not safe.

This is the only one of your questions to which I know the answer with confidence, but doing that significantly increases the chances of being hacked. WordPress has many advantages, of course, but this is one of its potential disadvantages.

Out of curiosity, why isn't it safe? Is this the case for other hosts or host gator in particular? I have never heard that using the simple install through your host increases your chances of getting hacked. I had a client using blue host and their site got hacked multiple times. I wonder if this had something to do with it...

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drewfioravanti

11 years ago

Just install it and start doing. If someone wants to hack your site they will regardless of how you install Wordpress.

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tac88 11 years ago

Originally Posted by drewfioravanti

Just install it and start doing. If someone wants to hack your site they will regardless of how you install Wordpress.

This is so true ! Just install it in the Cpanel..

There is a million videos on YouTube to help you too.
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Golgo

11 years ago

1).Filezilla Client
2).No matter which hosting you choose,If you havent manual install wordpress before,better install it manual,then the rest of you wordpress site just with one-click
3).If just a personal blog,better install WP at mywebsite.com
4).This one I think you just install two wordpress with or without /blog,you'll get it

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markmcknight

11 years ago

Here's my free Wordpress tutorial for you to look at.

Wordpress Website Tutorial: How To Setup And Install Your New Blog From Scratch

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Peter Thomas 11 years ago

Thank you for your responses.

I am clear on the first two questions. I want your advise on the below questions:

3. Should I install WP at mywebsite.com or mywebsite.com/blog? Are there pros and cons to this?

4. If I install WP at mywebsite.com/blog, how should I post content on the home page and the other pages that are not under subfolder "blog", can I use WP for that or another HTML editor and upload from my PC to my website's non-blog subfolders?

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onSubie

11 years ago

Originally Posted by markmcknight

Here's my free Wordpress tutorial for you to look at.

Wordpress Website Tutorial: How To Setup And Install Your New Blog From Scratch

Regards,
Mark

That is an unsecure install using Fantastico.

Fantastico creates (at least) two vulnerabilities automatically that can be exploited by hackers.

It creates a default admin login of "admin". This is being exploited right now by the huge "brute force" attack on hundreds of WP sites.

Better to use the WP "5 Minute install" and choose an Admin login like: SiteAdmin or jadmin or YourName.

A hacker can't guess/solve your password if he doesn't know the User ID.

The second problem is Fantastico uses a default DB Table Prefix of WP_.

Again, a hacker can't hack or inject code into your DB if they don't know the table prefix.

The reason so many people are having problems with their WP sites getting hacked is people choose "quick and easy" over "safe and secure".

The link you supplied falls under "quick and easy" ...

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markmcknight

11 years ago

Originally Posted by drewfioravanti

Just install it and start doing. If someone wants to hack your site they will regardless of how you install Wordpress.

Originally Posted by onSubie

That is an unsecure install using Fantastico.

Fantastico creates (at least) two vulnerabilities automatically that can be exploited by hackers.

It creates a default admin login of "admin". This is being exploited right now by the huge "brute force" attack on hundreds of WP sites.

Better to use the WP "5 Minute install" and choose an Admin login like: SiteAdmin or jadmin or YourName.

A hacker can't guess/solve your password if he doesn't know the User ID.

The second problem is Fantastico uses a default DB Table Prefix of WP_.

Again, a hacker can't hack or inject code into your DB if they don't know the table prefix.

The reason so many people are having problems with their WP sites getting hacked is people choose "quick and easy" over "safe and secure".

The link you supplied falls under "quick and easy" ...

It may be quick and easy but I agree with "drewfioravanti". I'm sure you could use a security plugin as well.

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onSubie 11 years ago

Originally Posted by markmcknight

It may be quick and easy but I agree with "drewfioravanti". I'm sure you could use a security plugin as well.

I agree that the risk is low given other precautions you can take. People should just be aware of how things work.

I find a manual install is not that much trouble. I just need to a bit organized before I start whereas Fantastico is just "click n go". Which I also often do.
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kaisoft

11 years ago

Originally Posted by markmcknight

Here's my free Wordpress tutorial for you to look at.

Wordpress Website Tutorial: How To Setup And Install Your New Blog From Scratch

Regards,
Mark

Hi Mark be very careful you may have copyright issues using one of Stephen Luc video series

here is one of the line from the reseller license that forbid what you are doing on YouTube and your site

License For WP Warm Up
DO NOT Change this license...violations will be obvious
You cannot give the product away for free, even to your list...

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mkeating3

Out of curiosity, why isn't it safe? Is this the case for other hosts or host gator in particular? I have never heard that using the simple install through your host increases your chances of getting hacked. I had a client using blue host and their site got hacked multiple times. I wonder if this had something to do with it...

The biggest problem with the fantastico install is that it uses very well-known default values for things like the admin name, database name, etc. Couple that with the fact that many users don't pick strong passwords or limit log-in attempts, and you have an installation that's begging to be hacked.

Using a manual install, you can make the table prefix, database name and username/password, admin name and password very strong - meaning very hard to hack with brute force methods.

Just like having strong locks on your doors and windows, a determined thief will still find a way in but most will simply move on to easier pickings.

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Mkeating3

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kaisoft

Hi Mark be very careful you may have copyright issues using one of Stephen Luc video series

here is one of the line from the reseller license that forbid what you are doing on YouTube and your site

License For WP Warm Up
DO NOT Change this license...violations will be obvious
You cannot give the product away for free, even to your list...

I'm curious to see the response on this one lol. Seems like a bold move to just use someone's stuff and toss your logo on it. I'm new to the space so is this an acceptable common practice?

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nidjo

11 years ago

Hi Peter, here are a few simple answers that may help:

1. I think you should use Client - it's a simple ftp software that you instal on your own pc/mac. this will probably be the first and only ftp client you will ever need. With this software you simply transfer files from your own hard drive to your server.

2. WP instal - go the easy way, HG has awesome features, I've been hosting with them for over 8 years and they have never let me down. Use Fantastico, you can't instal WP blog any easier then that.

3. Where to instal WP? That depends if it's going to be your main website then instal it in the root directory (leave the space empty) if however you are planing to have another page as your index page then instal it in the sub folder ex: yoursite.com/wpblog or in your subdomain ex: wpblog.yoursite.com

4. If you instal WP at your subfolder ex: yoursite.com/wpblog and have no page as index page at your main "public_html" folder then you will have nothing for your main page. So I would recommend to instal WP as your main site/page in your root folder.

As for the index page on your WP blog you can set it in WP, you can either have your latest page shown as your index page, a mix of 1-10 latest posts or a page you specifically create to be your index page.

Buzz me on Skype, I'll gladly help!

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wendallb

11 years ago

I personally prefer a manual install myself..

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Peter Thomas

Questions:

1. Which Filezilla should I get, client or server?

You want the client version. If you plan to upload a lot of files, this is the way to go. If you only plan to upload your install file, follow Kate's advice and use the file manager in cPanel.

Originally Posted by Peter Thomas

2. Should I go the easy way to install WP via hostgator's fantastic or the hard way of downloading the WP from Wordpress.org and install it myself. If you suggest to go the hard way, can you warriors provide step-by-step instructions?

Do a manual install. Use a hard-to-guess table prefix, do not use 'Admin' for the admin name, and use a strong password. This will take care of a big chunk of your security worries.

Wordpress.org provides excellent step by step instructions under the 'five minute install'.

Originally Posted by Peter Thomas

3. Should I install WP at mywebsite.com or mywebsite.com/blog? Is it easy to create a sub-folder from HG's cPanel?

If WP is the only thing you plan to run, install at mywebsite.com. This is the simplest.

If you plan to run something else, like a forum or RAP or something, put it in mywebsite.com/blog. If you do go this way, make sure you have a blank home page under the main directory (or some other home page). Otherwise, people will get a directory listing of your website, which may give them access to things you don't want them to access.

Creating a subfolder is a one-click process.

Originally Posted by Peter Thomas

4. If I install WP at mywebsite.com/blog, how should I post content on the home page and the other pages that are not under subfolder "blog", can I use WP for that or another HTML editor and upload from my PC to my website's non-blog subfolders?

Use whatever html editor trips your trigger and use your ftp program or cPanel file manager to upload them where you want them.

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Michele Miller 11 years ago

Peter,

The terms easy and hard are bound to steer you in the direction of easy, but truly, if you can drag and drop a folder, you can install Wordpress!

The hard way is the drag and drop, and the easy way is to hit a button,
which will ultimately leave your web site insecure and more open to hackers.

Use the Filezilla, drag and drop the folder into your root, and get going.

All the best!
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Peter Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

You want the client version. If you plan to upload a lot of files, this is the way to go. If you only plan to upload your install file, follow Kate's advice and use the file manager in cPanel.

Do a manual install. Use a hard-to-guess table prefix, do not use 'Admin' for the admin name, and use a strong password. This will take care of a big chunk of your security worries.

Wordpress.org provides excellent step by step instructions under the 'five minute install'.

If WP is the only thing you plan to run, install at mywebsite.com. This is the simplest.

If you plan to run something else, like a forum or RAP or something, put it in mywebsite.com/blog. If you do go this way, make sure you have a blank home page under the main directory (or some other home page). Otherwise, people will get a directory listing of your website, which may give them access to things you don't want them to access.

Creating a subfolder is a one-click process.

Use whatever html editor trips your trigger and use your ftp program or cPanel file manager to upload them where you want them.

Thank you John.

Let me make 4th question much more clear.

For example, when I visit USA.gov, On the home page, there is "Services tab", "blog", "Topics", and so on. Assuming I want my site similar to that (not all features though),

What I want is:

1. I want to be able keep all articles separate under "articles" or "Topics" tab, blog only under "blog" tab. Then, should I install WP in the subfolder mywebsite.com/blog?

2. Then, whatever I want to post on the home page and under "articles" or "Topics", I should simply create sub-folders at HG cPanel and upload via Filezilla client to those sub-folders, correct?

Thanks,
Peter

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Peter Thomas 11 years ago

I really appreciate all people who answered me. Taking one step at a time.
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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Peter Thomas

Thank you John.

Let me make 4th question much more clear.

For example, when I visit USA.gov, On the home page, there is "Services tab", "blog", "Topics", and so on. Assuming I want my site similar to that (not all features though),

What I want is:

1. I want to be able keep all articles separate under "articles" or "Topics" tab, blog only under "blog" tab. Then, should I install WP in the subfolder mywebsite.com/blog?

2. Then, whatever I want to post on the home page and under "articles" or "Topics", I should simply create sub-folders at HG cPanel and upload via Filezilla client to those sub-folders, correct?

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If you look at the USA.gov site and hover over the links, you'll see that the 'blog' section is actually a link to a subdirectory (blog.usa.gov).

This would be one way to do it easily. When you do the install in the root directory, take the additional step of enabling multisite capability. Then specify new blogs in subdirectories. Easier than it sounds, just follow the directions on the WP site.

Set up one additional blog, under 'blog'. It will use the same installation of WP to run both blogs. Add a link to the menu of the main blog site (yourdomain.com), and you're off to the races.

If you really wanted to run the secondary blog from a subfolder (yourdomain.com/blog/), that would work also.

You just need to be very clear in what you want the site to do. I usually map them out on paper before I even start. Then use the simplest structure to accomplish that.

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Istvan Horvath

11 years ago

RE: #4

Install WP in the root directory (aka public_html)

When installed and set up properly, go into admin:
Create 2 Pages (not posts!!!) - one with the welcome message for your main page on the site and another one completely blank, name it "blog".

Next > Settings > Reading: select as mainpage the "welcome Page" and the empty "blog" as your posts page.

Done!
You can have any important greeting on the main page + you can create many other Pages in WP (About, Contact, Legal stuff etc.). You can select or not to display them in menu(s).

All your blog posts will go to the Page called "Blog" - which (when setting up the 'nice' permalinks) will display as example.com/blog/

KISS...

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Peter Thomas

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Istvan Horvath

RE: #4

Install WP in the root directory (aka public_html)

When installed and set up properly, go into admin:
Create 2 Pages (not posts!!!) - one with the welcome message for your main page on the site and another one completely blank, name it "blog".

Next > Settings > Reading: select as mainpage the "welcome Page" and the empty "blog" as your posts page.

Done!
You can have any important greeting on the main page + you can create many other Pages in WP (About, Contact, Legal stuff etc.). You can select or not to display them in menu(s).

All your blog posts will go to the Page called "Blog" - which (when setting up the 'nice' permalinks) will display as example.com/blog/

KISS...

Thank you Warriors.

Thanks to John McCabe, I created a different username than admin and a strong password.

With your help, I successfully did a manual install of WP on my website. Next, I followed exactly like Istvan said as above.

Now, on my homepage, the following phrase is showing up

"Just another WordPress site" below my Website Title and I don't see how to remove that!

How can I get rid of that?

Thanks,
Peter

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Peter Thomas

Now, on my homepage, the following phrase is showing up

"Just another WordPress site" below my Website Title and I don't see how to remove that!

How can I get rid of that?

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Peter

Go into your settings and find the one for 'tagline'. By default, it says "Just another Wordpress site", but you can change it to anything you want or nothing at all.

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Peter Thomas 11 years ago

Thank you John. Did it.

Normally, what should I have in Site Title and Tagline?
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- Tim3 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Peter Thomas
  
  Normally, what should I have in Site Title and Tagline?
  
  How about Peter Thomas ... the humble villager
  
  get the idea?
  
  We like to help folks here, but there are tons of videos on You Tube for Wordpress where you will find the answers to nearly all your questions, have a scan through, and don't forget the Wordpress.org Codex too
  
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onSubie

11 years ago

It depends what you want on the home page.

Under Settings > Reading you can choose if you want the home page to be the latest posts or a static page.

If you choose a static page, you can choose another page for posts, such as 'blog'.

Simply create the static page you want for the main domain and then create an empty page called 'blog'.

Now yourdomian.com/blog will have all the latest posts and yourdomain.com will have the static page you selected- it could be a squeeze page, sales page or article page.

The menus and sidebars can be the same throughout, or you can change the layout of pages and posts.

The theme you choose can make a big difference too.

Some themes are designed to manage multiple looks, menus and blogs.

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SuperKristen

11 years ago

You can simply use the cPanel file manager to install WP. It will be safe and easy for you.

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Peter Thomas 11 years ago

Thank you John, Istvan and Onsubie. Will do this weekend.
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GarryMSayer

11 years ago

Here's some videos to help you install WordPress manually and safely:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...ature=view_all

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Peter Thomas 11 years ago
Okay Warriors,

I installed manually WP to my root directory.

Now, I am getting the error msg:

Sorry, I need a wp-config-sample.php file to work from. Please re-upload this file from your WordPress installation.

I am on step 5 from wordpress.org:

Step 5: Run the Install Script

Point a web browser to start the installation script.
- If you placed the WordPress files in the root directory, you should visit: Example Domain
I already instructions followed and changed the file name to wp-config.php
and entered my dbuser, user and password in that file.

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,
Peter.
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