Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is & Stop Starving Your Trees!

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G'day all,

Just wanted to start a thread with this post.

I noticed many people (myself included in the past) are not putting money into their ideas, websites, marketing etc. trying to do everything using free resources or on a shoe string budget.

The problem with that is that it is hard. Very hard and unless you have something that is so unique and so good that it goes viral your screwed, your business, idea and website will be a complete and total waste of time, you will end up feeling defeated and you'll just become one of those numbers that never made it.

You need money. You need capital. You need investment.

If you have money you can pay for advertising, you can pay for design, seo, you can hire someone to do admin, you can hire sales people. You can do all of the things you wish you could do.

My own journey has shown me that when I invest real money, take a chance and take a small loan out or invest some of my own money. It works. It always works.

Here are some ideas:


Take a chance, invest some of your own money that you can afford. Some savings, or sell all your garbage on eBay and invest the money made.

Take a small loan out from your bank. 5K goes a very long way these days online.

Use a credit card.

Look for investors, family and friends will sometimes be the best investors... or the worst. So be careful, or alternatively go to a lawyer or your bank manager or accountant and usually they can put you in touch with an investor or a group.

To use an analogy; your business or idea is like a tree.

It really is.


Most people plant seeds all of the time.

But they are too scared to invest water, nutrients, sun, time and energy for fear that the tree may fail to grow when in reality if the seed (idea) is good and the circumstances are good (soil, climate etc) All the tree needs is the basics to grow and it will grow.

How crazy is that? But it's true!

Most people plant that seed and then give it the absolute minimum of energy and time. They think about it all day, but thinking and willing the tree to grow does not make it grow, and visualizing a big beautiful and bountiful tree full of fruit also does not make it grow.

The tree has potential, but it needs life giving water, nutrients, sunlight...

Your business is no different!

It needs nutrients to grow. It needs traffic, it needs marketing, it needs seo, it needs administration, it needs sales and it needs support!

The only way you can put all of this energy into your business is tyo put some money into it.

Stop starving your trees!

If you believe in your idea and your business then put your money where your mouth is and put some money into it!

Whats the worst that's going to happen? Your going to have a credit card to pay off? Big deal, welcome to Planet Earth and join the queue!

There are so many good ideas out there, so many good businesses that never take off because their owners and founders are holding back because they fear a big bad monster will eat them... it's ridiculous.

I see people on FaceBook trying to start their business with a fan page that they never advertise or put any effort in and then they wonder why their business never truly takes off.

I see the same with people that ask me to build them a website. They want it done for free or for $50. Instead of paying the right amount to he right people for a real website with seo, design, shopping cart and the works!

I hope this motivates someone to put money into their business.

If you put just $500 into your business today I GUARANTEE that you will see positive results!
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  • Profile picture of the author mattjay
    This is a great post. Lots of people think you can make money online by not spending at all. Or that you can buy a page one ranking blog with 20k unique visits a day for $50. Very well said. You need to treat your online marketing as a business. Put in some long hours and some seed money.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Without spending anything you won't go far, unless you are an internet marketing genius.

    But you have to be very careful and understand what you are doing; otherwise you will spend your money without having positive results.

    You must have a plan and spend on what will help you achieve your goals, without being based on suppositions.

    Of course, you will have to test, and of course you won't immediately achieve your goals, but before trying you must have the necessary knowledge. This way you will avoid making silly mistakes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendon Zahrndt
    This will never NOT be true.

    Investing in your education and business is a must in an ever changing, dynamic business climate. You can't keep growing without re-investing.

    That and see the project through - but that's another topic.

    The MMO niche business model is no different. Re-invest in your education and always be ready to learn and apply a new skill.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    The Internet Business is still a real business. This means that investment of time and money is required in order to make it work. I only really started getting some real results when I start to invest money into my business and I realized that I am more serious too when my money is invested.
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  • I agree with your statements I think you do have to put in money, as well as hard work. That's the one I'm having particular trouble with. No focus... I need to just concentrate and make something work for me. I keep buying WSOs and whatever and trying different things, Amazon ebooks, affiliate marketing, etc. Jumping around with no focus and not enough concentration on one thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Originally Posted by Art of Marketing View Post

    First off you may want to add a legal disclaimer my friend.

    Hello goindeep, Thanks for the post and I totally see your point and it really can stop alot of potential successful marketers in their tracks if they get too scared to invest.

    But on the flipside I am sure there are a few marketers wives that would like to send you a good slap. :p

    Expert copy writers have probably been directly involved with people getting totally drained in the wallet with no other alternative but to go free from getting totally BSd. again and again.

    Google is breaking ground with new inventions with so much money made from marketers who lost money so fast it made their heads spin...but they sure did take action and they sure did invest in their business.

    They did gain experience and that is a part of doing business but its a slippery slope between taking risk and calculated risk.....and much like a gambler...many people throw more money at a losing cause and it really takes massive self control that a lot of people may or may not have.

    So while I agree with you I just would like to add a huge CAUTION and RESEARCH to go along with all that Tree Watering.

    Free methods do work but paid can blast your business off if done properly.

    Thanks again for the share.

    -Art
    I think your looking at it differently. Your looking at the finer details of investment e.g. where to spend that 100K of seed money, on shiny apps or on engineers?

    Im talking about a real business here not some crap some copy writer produces which you could pick up from an Amazon book for $20. And im not talking about add ons, features, apps or tools.

    Im talking about your business as a whole. The whole thing.

    If you look at history 100% of all successful businesses had capital of some shape or form. No one has ever in the lifetime of our species started a business and made it a success with no money down.

    Yet people believe the opposite is true and they try to start their business with a free blog, a free facebook page and some free business cards and then wonder 12 months later what happened.

    Its like fishing. You can fish with a stick, some string and a worm or you can buy a net.

    Im not advising people on what to spend their money on. No. Im telling them they need to put some money into their business if they are not already, otherwise it will die. People will always get duped, thats their problem. Its a sacrifice and a risk. I get it. But you know what is so stupid? these people actually raise their own level of risk and shoot that mother f***er through the roof by not investing in their own businesses, they basically are guaranteed to fail if they dont put money into their business.

    So whats worse? having a crack and failing or floating along aimlessly for a few years wasting time and then abandoning the project which in realityyou never gave a chance because you where to scared to invest in?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    A lot of people are willing to waste years of time, because they're too afraid to spend a few dollars.

    Ridiculous.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      A lot of people are willing to waste years of time, because they're too afraid to spend a few dollars.

      Ridiculous.
      That's right John, being a freelancer and consultant I'm sure you have seen the worst of them :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      A lot of people are willing to waste years of time, because they're too afraid to spend a few dollars.

      Ridiculous.
      that was me until a few years ago.

      paid traffic is where the BIG BIG money is hey john.

      Do you see many of the big gurus doing FREE traffic, and writing articles, and posting on blogs till they are blue in the face. NO WAY!

      When I did these two thing....

      1) PAID TRAFFIC, PPC, PPV, MEDIA BUYS, PAID LINKS, PRESS RELEASES

      2) BUILT A LIST OF PROSPECTS (FREEBIE and PAYING CUSTOMERS)


      This changed my world. I bought two houses, got married, and my whole life is different.

      By no means am I a millionaire, but I do very well and make a very nice living online, in several niches.

      JOhn is right, paid traffic is where the big money is, and you have to spend money to make money. It is not just a saying it is true.
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  • Profile picture of the author CynthiaNataline
    Thank you for sharing. IMHO, that mindset is the most common reason that holds people back, and even give up. People tend to see all financial investment as fee or expenses, whereas investment definitely has nothing to do with that.

    Investing in your business means positioning your business for a better earning opportunity. So it's "invest the right way", not "invest as minimum as you can".

    eLena
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    • Profile picture of the author markmcknight
      I think you need to start with a plan. You can easily spend hard earned money on running an internet business, but if you don't really know what you're doing or have a good system in place, you will loose the lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    I completely and totally disagree with every single word of your post.

    It does not 'take money to make money.' It takes skill.

    I personally built a $6K/month affiliate income stream in four months investing ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY beyond hosting and domain registration.

    Attitudes like the one expressed by the OP are the reason so many people are in debt and failing.

    As Ricky told Julian on Trailer Park Boys after Julian told him it 'takes money to make money.'

    'No it doesn,'t. You keep your money and then you have your money!' he said.

    Learn how to bootstrap or chances are good you'll never make great profit online.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      I completely and totally disagree with every single word of your post.

      It does not 'take money to make money.' It takes skill.

      I personally built a $6K/month affiliate income stream in four months investing ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY beyond hosting and domain registration.

      Attitudes like the one expressed by the OP are the reason so many people are in debt and failing.

      As Ricky told Julian on Trailer Park Boys after Julian told him it 'takes money to make money.'

      'No it doesn,'t. You keep your money and then you have your money!' he said.

      Learn how to bootstrap or chances are good you'll never make great profit online.
      A) I find that really, really hard to believe, in fact i'll go so far as to say I think you are full of it.

      No hard feelings bro.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by goindeep View Post

        A) I find that really, really hard to believe, in fact i'll go so far as to say I think you are full of it.

        No hard feelings bro.
        Of course you find it hard to believe. You're suffering from an extremely limited mindset, bro.

        Of course I could post screenshots of my verified income, etc. But you wouldn't believe it anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Publisher1953
    Danger alert! Invest(reinvest)ing is rational -- pouring good money into bad ideas is not. And far too many people start up a business with the cash in hand, only to see it disappear into waste and failure.

    One rule I've always followed is to determine if there is a market for the concept before putting any significant money into the thing. This is how I started some years ago with an offline publication. No cash, no prototype, just a sales letter pitching the idea and offering a 25 per cent discount for prepayment. Sweat equity, direct calls, and I had enough cash in hand to publish the first issue.

    Yes, some money spent on research and thoughtful testing can be wise. Debt financing, not usually (especially for a low-capitalization service business, and I would worry about anyone without business experience starting a true high capitalization business.)

    Now if the argument is whether you should take out money quickly from your new business to spend it on consumer stuff or reinvest it in the business, the story shifts -- especially if you have discipline, solid testing and evaluation methods, and retain a solid sense of frugality.

    But I wouldn't run up the credit card or mortgage the house or take my retirement savings and dump it into a new Internet marketing start up. And, yes, it seems some of the scammers out there encourage fools to do just that.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by Publisher1953 View Post

      Danger alert! Invest(reinvest)ing is rational -- pouring good money into bad ideas is not. And far too many people start up a business with the cash in hand, only to see it disappear into waste and failure.

      One rule I've always followed is to determine if there is a market for the concept before putting any significant money into the thing. This is how I started some years ago with an offline publication. No cash, no prototype, just a sales letter pitching the idea and offering a 25 per cent discount for prepayment. Sweat equity, direct calls, and I had enough cash in hand to publish the first issue.

      Yes, some money spent on research and thoughtful testing can be wise. Debt financing, not usually (especially for a low-capitalization service business, and I would worry about anyone without business experience starting a true high capitalization business.)

      Now if the argument is whether you should take out money quickly from your new business to spend it on consumer stuff or reinvest it in the business, the story shifts -- especially if you have discipline, solid testing and evaluation methods, and retain a solid sense of frugality.

      But I wouldn't run up the credit card or mortgage the house or take my retirement savings and dump it into a new Internet marketing start up. And, yes, it seems some of the scammers out there encourage fools to do just that.
      Thats right, so how do you test your market?

      Market research costs money unless you just talk to people.

      Its one of those things where, of course people are going to burn their money if they are stupid, but that is not what the thread is about.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by Publisher1953 View Post

      But I wouldn't run up the credit card or mortgage the house or take my retirement savings and dump it into a new Internet marketing start up. And, yes, it seems some of the scammers out there encourage fools to do just that.
      Naturally, only a scammer thinks this way. Put yourself into high interest credit card debt to 'take a risk' on the riskiest business ventures ever invented - websites.

      The main advantage of a website is that it isn't too capital intensive to get started.

      No one in their right mind should be risking their rent money on an untested Internet venture.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        I still think you not getting the point of the thread. The point of the thread is not to help people decide what to invest in, how much, risk analysis, stop loss etc.

        The point of the thread is to motivate people that are sitting idle on the side lines with something they are passionate about because they are simply too afraid to to invest $500 bucks into a website and some PPC or a local ad.

        Its got nothing to do with blind or risky investment. That is a separate story altogether. I know what you are saying, trust me, I do. I've lost a lot of money over the years on all sorts of crazy ideas and ventures.

        Its also not about showing people what kind of money to use. Thats for them to figure out whether they find and investor or invest themselves.

        All i'm saying is that I know people that "start a business" and they dont put any finances into it and then expect it to take off simply because they tell their friends on facebook about it.

        The average American or Australian spends more money on beer, cigarettes and pizza then they will ever spend on a business venture or idea in their life times.

        I mean look at most young people and teenagers these days, $800 phones, $200 kicks, $500 tablets, ereaders, online gaming subscriptions, expensive tattoos....

        My older brother upgrades his TV every few years and pays thousands! Yet he always talks to me about his business ideas that he never puts money into and then wonders why he still drives a truck. Just the other week he was talking to me about becoming a day trader... he apparently did live fake trades for the last few weeks and made 2.5K... will he do it with real money?

        Not if he is too scared.

        I mean put it into comparison. Testing an idea now days can cost $500. What other things do people pay $500 for and never see a return or any real value that grows?

        Thats all im saying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Publisher1953
    This line in the original posting caught my eyes:

    "Stop starving your trees!

    If you believe in your idea and your business then put your money where your mouth is and put some money into it!

    Whats the worst that's going to happen? Your going to have a credit card to pay off? Big deal, welcome to Planet Earth and join the queue!"

    Well, I would say if you need to use your credit card (if you can't pay it off each month without interest) to launch/fund an IM project, you really need to say Woah. Now, if the issue is doing what you need to do to clear up debt and unnecessary consumption/expenses, okay -- and if the choice is spending "fun money" or wisely investing it in some preliminary market research, then that makes sense as well.

    In my opinion IM is/should be a low-capitalization business and you should not need to incur debt to get started. Yes, you may need to spend $500 or $1000 or something like that -- but this should be saved, not debt-based money, to run the test.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Great post, truth is you can get started making money online with just a couple bucks. You really don't need to make a big investment to start making money. If I were to offer advice I would say to invest in a mentoring program if you have no clue where to get started.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by thedanbrown View Post

      Great post, truth is you can get started making money online with just a couple bucks. You really don't need to make a big investment to start making money. If I were to offer advice I would say to invest in a mentoring program if you have no clue where to get started.
      Correct however is that a buisness, or is that just someone making a few hundred bucks on the side.

      And this is the point. I can make money online, doesnt mean I have a real business a sustainable business.

      Thats what takes money.

      Its really a simple concept. Everything in life needs and exchange of energy. You can look at energy in terms of physical and mental effort and also money. The problem with what you are saying is that if Joe Average decides to start "Making Money" he is going to sit at his computer and try to do all of this stuff on his own. Unfortinately there is only one of him and he only has 24hrs in the day, minus time for sleep, food etc.

      This is why you need to invest. So if Joe Average is making a couple hundred bucks a week on his own. What if he takes those couple hundred bucks over a few months and hires an assistant or VA, now he has double the energy input, if he manages it correctly and his monetary investment he could gets 100% more output for only 30% more running costs.

      Everything in the Universe needs an exchange of energy. Its just the way it is.

      If you put even a little bit of money into your idea, you may find that it will take root and grow. If you dont even try, you will never give it the chance it deserves.
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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Thanks Art.

      The Rags to Riches are like the 0.01% of all cases, so no its not fiction it's just hyped by media because they are great stories.

      I know all of the business people in my life, worked damn hard for what they, no rags to riches there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bsperling
    Online is the same as offline. In business especially this day in age its consistently changing so to keep growing your business you must contuine to re-invest. The great thing about the online business its a whole lot cheaper than an offline business.

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