Buy product then review it then promote it. Works?

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What do you think if we buy a product, let's say a CB product. Then we review it.
If it's valuable, then we just promote it. Otherwise, we ask for a refund.
This just come to my mind because I don't want to make fake reviews, and if I myself have used the product, I'll know better how to promote it.
So what do you think?
#buy #product #promote #review #works
  • Profile picture of the author Dan Fisher
    you should always checkout the products thoroughly before you try sell them yes this is a good idea you dont want to gain a rep for selling crap it wont help you long term
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by ShaneWZ View Post

    So what do you think?
    Five main things ...

    (i) However you look at it, it would make very little sense to promote a ClickBank product you've never seen

    (ii) ClickBank does ban serial refunders, whether they're affiliates or not, so it's a plan that might have a limited lifespan

    (iii) On no account buy such products through your own affiliate link and then refund them (it's allowed to buy through your own affiliate link, of course, but doing that and refunding can be something of a "red rag to a bull", as we say over here)

    (iv) It's possible (and very much recommended) to get "review copies" from some/many vendors if you ask the right way

    (v) With the exception of the frequent refunds, all that you mention above can be a perfectly decent and successful business model for promoting ClickBank products as long as you do it all in a way that also fulfils the minimum essential requirements for promoting ClickBank products successfully, of course, otherwise it will have the deck firmly stacked against it (as would anything that ignores the fundamentals of how this type of affiliate sale is actually made)

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by LiquidwebBret View Post

    That is always a great way to do it.
    Always - well, right up to the moment when ClickBank bans you for being a serial refunder, anyway.

    (I think we all appreciate that you're trying to get as many posts as possible on the board today, Bret, but sometimes it does help to read the threads, before replying to them. You might even sometimes learn something you didn't know ).
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Barber
    Oh course this all applies to WSO, JVZoo etc and is a good business model. You want your list to know like and trust you so you have to review before you recommend.

    If you have to buy the products because you cannot get review copies, then that is just part of your business start up costs and much less than a bricks and mortar business.

    Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneWZ
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Always - well, right up to the moment when ClickBank bans you for being a serial refunder, anyway.

      (I think we all appreciate that you're trying to get as many posts as possible on the board today, Bret, but sometimes it does help to read the threads, before replying to them. You might even sometimes learn something you didn't know ).
      Thanks Alexa, you always give thoughtful advice. So as Paul said, as I just start this, I might alter my OP a little. Research products carefully before buying them, to minimize my refunds. As I go on, may be have some success as affiliate, then ask the vendors for review copy.

      Originally Posted by Paul Barber View Post

      Oh course this all applies to WSO, JVZoo etc and is a good business model. You want your list to know like and trust you so you have to review before you recommend.

      If you have to buy the products because you cannot get review copies, then that is just part of your business start up costs and much less than a bricks and mortar business.

      Cheers

      Paul
      Thanks Paul, your advice really helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Barber
        You can also try muncheye.com and JVnotifypro.com and others. See what launches are coming up, see the JV partners sales pitch and approach the ones you like a look of, before they are launched. Better chance of getting a free Beta copy and you will be asked to test and give feedback so win-win.

        You also see people on here asking for Beta testers.

        Good luck and it is the way to go. Treat your list like the gold they are.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Haven
    Originally Posted by ShaneWZ View Post

    What do you think if we buy a product, let's say a CB product. Then we review it.
    If it's valuable, then we just promote it. Otherwise, we ask for a refund.
    This just come to my mind because I don't want to make fake reviews, and if I myself have used the product, I'll know better how to promote it.
    So what do you think?
    This is what I used to do as an affiliate marketer. I like the concept because it is honest, -if something is crap you can say why it's crap and save your subscribers money, which they'll appreciate.

    Bad reviews are just as good as good reviews, don't let anyone tell you anything different. People appreciate honesty, and by purchasing and testing products yourself you can be completely honest and help them make the right decision.

    Think about it. If you promote something that sucks (because the pitch looks cool but you haven't tried it yourself) and say it's the greatest thing since sex, -and someone buys it for X amount and is extremely disappointed, who's gonna get 90% of the blame? You, not the CB guy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Barber
      As SEO Haven states bad reviews are good because they are your honest opinion, but always include an affiliate link anyway as I have sent out negative reviews and people have still brought through the link! So don't leave money on the table, as they say.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShaneWZ
        Originally Posted by Paul Barber View Post

        As SEO Haven states bad reviews are good because they are your honest opinion, but always include an affiliate link anyway as I have sent out negative reviews and people have still brought through the link! So don't leave money on the table, as they say.
        Aha, that's brilliant! But I doubt how many people will take their money out.
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    Yes, that's exactly the way to be a succesful marketer even for online or offline products or services.

    As mentioned above, choose wisely before buying to minimize the refund rates!
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  • Profile picture of the author george b
    What I do that saves me a bit of money.

    I message the seller through Jvzoo with a carefully crafted message outlining how I plan to market there product etc...

    And then I ask for a a review copy at the bottom of the message.

    I have sent this message to 15 sellers all in my niche.

    - 4 of them came back at me with a link to a free copy of their product.
    - 2 of them came back at me with a heavily discounted version of their product.
    - 3 came back and said thanks, but no.
    - 6 I have not heard from.

    Of the ones that didn't give me a review copy, I bought anyway!

    I worked out I probably saved myself about $200's.

    Probably not worth the hassle, but it only took me half and hour to knock up a sensible message which looked professional and made it look like I was going to be a dedicated affiliate.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneWZ
      Originally Posted by george b View Post

      What I do that saves me a bit of money.

      I message the seller through Jvzoo with a carefully crafted message outlining how I plan to market there product etc...

      And then I ask for a a review copy at the bottom of the message.

      I have sent this message to 15 sellers all in my niche.

      - 4 of them came back at me with a link to a free copy of their product.
      - 2 of them came back at me with a heavily discounted version of their product.
      - 3 came back and said thanks, but no.
      - 6 I have not heard from.

      Of the ones that didn't give me a review copy, I bought anyway!

      I worked out I probably saved myself about $200's.

      Probably not worth the hassle, but it only took me half and hour to knock up a sensible message which looked professional and made it look like I was going to be a dedicated affiliate.
      Thanks, great method!
      No, I don't think it should be called hassle. When start up, we just need the efforts to do some research.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlajoyce
    My 2 pennies worth ...

    Having promoted clickbank products over 5 years or so, along with WSO's i always create a 1500+ word honest review and ask the product vendor to give accreditation to my review article.

    It helps having the vendors stamp of approval on your work and helps you sell the product much more easily, when i started using this approach about 2 years ago i saw my CB profits rise by 165%.

    Most of my clickbank promotions are through JV's and sending traffic to them through my list which give a good jumpstart to promotion. If you don't have a list then banners, solos and offline ads are great for medium profits.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roshaan
    This is good because People trust reviews which are done by reviewer him self
    so simply saying it will help
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  • Profile picture of the author IMsam
    I quite agree with Chris. I think buying the product will make you know more about it and be able to market it better but i don't subscribe to the refund thing just as Alex mentioned. I think you see this as an investment for a greater profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneWZ
      Originally Posted by carlajoyce View Post

      My 2 pennies worth ...

      Having promoted clickbank products over 5 years or so, along with WSO's i always create a 1500+ word honest review and ask the product vendor to give accreditation to my review article.

      It helps having the vendors stamp of approval on your work and helps you sell the product much more easily, when i started using this approach about 2 years ago i saw my CB profits rise by 165%.

      Most of my clickbank promotions are through JV's and sending traffic to them through my list which give a good jumpstart to promotion. If you don't have a list then banners, solos and offline ads are great for medium profits.
      Thanks carlajoyce. Your words conveys great value. I have no experience with banners, solos and offline ads. So any advice?

      Originally Posted by Roshaan View Post

      This is good because People trust reviews which are done by reviewer him self
      so simply saying it will help
      Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post

      A wise buyer can become a wise marketer.

      If the product has real value and you purchase it for this reason and no other, then it is worth promoting as an affiliate.
      Originally Posted by IMsam View Post

      I quite agree with Chris. I think buying the product will make you know more about it and be able to market it better but i don't subscribe to the refund thing just as Alex mentioned. I think you see this as an investment for a greater profit.
      Thank you guys. OK, an investment for start.
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      • Profile picture of the author carlajoyce
        Originally Posted by ShaneWZ View Post

        Thanks carlajoyce. Your words conveys great value. I have no experience with banners, solos and offline ads. So any advice?






        Thank you guys. OK, an investment for start.
        There is a bit of a learning curve when it comes to solo ads and ad-swaps but if you visit 'safe-swaps.com' you could read their FAQ's to glean a little more info.

        Banner ads are OK as well - just search google for banner ad partners and you should find plenty of information.

        I would invest in a good list building course and start being independent from GoGle - i haven't looked backed since focusing on this and i now have a relaxed lifestyle without the threat of the next Panda rollout
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  • Profile picture of the author eugenedm
    Definitely go for start up informational products. They are usually given away for free. Do your due diligence and decide on whether you should promote them or not.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author ThorBorwick
    Originally Posted by ShaneWZ View Post

    What do you think if we buy a product, let's say a CB product. Then we review it.
    If it's valuable, then we just promote it. Otherwise, we ask for a refund.
    This just come to my mind because I don't want to make fake reviews, and if I myself have used the product, I'll know better how to promote it.
    So what do you think?
    Like other people here say:
    Why don`t you send an e-mail to the vendor and ask for a review copy?

    You can write an e-mail and explain you are an internet marketer that are going to drive traffic to a reviewpage with basic SEO.


    It doesn`t cost you a dime to send an e-mail and ask. You will get surprised on how many vendors that will send you a copy of their product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by ThorBorwick View Post

      You can write an e-mail and explain you are an internet marketer that are going to drive traffic to a reviewpage with basic SEO.
      Respectfully, Thor, that would - in general - be among the least tempting explanations to offer a vendor in the expectation of a "review copy".

      Most serious vendors are well aware that driving SEO traffic to a review page is typically going to be of very limited value for promoting a ClickBank product - especially the ones who already have many affiliates trying to do exactly that (because vendors know that those are among the 95% of affiliates who collectively produce about 5% of the affiliate-referred sales).

      Look at it from the vendor's perspective. Which will sound potentially more interesting to him - a suggestion which is likely (if it works well at all) to be competing for sales against his existing affiliates, or one which might refer entirely different, new traffic otherwise unavailable to the vendor?

      It might be better to offer something to which he doesn't already effectively have access?

      As discussed above, it's certainly possible (and very much recommended) to get "review copies" from some/many vendors, but your chances are always going to be significantly better, if you ask in a more appropriate and appealing way
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  • Profile picture of the author giuseppepuma
    Hey buddy, i strongly recommend yes you purchase the product and implement it even if it takes you a long time, you dont want to be promoting B.S to people due to the fact of long term success you have a have a bad name in the internet marketing trade, so yes buy the clickbank product but before doing that go to google type product name + review see if there is any good or bad reviews and if u think theres to many good ones then yes purchase it see for your self implement it then promote it, DONT FAKE THE REVIEWS YOU WILL HAVE A BAD NAME BUDDY, But understand this if it works and converts then u can get that product that u made sales with and create own product with it, obviously theres a totally different mechanical element to doing this many steps in place to be successful with this but this is what i advise u buddy just few helpful tips to answer your questions.

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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneWZ
      Originally Posted by giuseppepuma View Post

      Hey buddy, i strongly recommend yes you purchase the product and implement it even if it takes you a long time, you dont want to be promoting B.S to people due to the fact of long term success you have a have a bad name in the internet marketing trade, so yes buy the clickbank product but before doing that go to google type product name + review see if there is any good or bad reviews and if u think theres to many good ones then yes purchase it see for your self implement it then promote it, DONT FAKE THE REVIEWS YOU WILL HAVE A BAD NAME BUDDY, But understand this if it works and converts then u can get that product that u made sales with and create own product with it, obviously theres a totally different mechanical element to doing this many steps in place to be successful with this but this is what i advise u buddy just few helpful tips to answer your questions.

      Ciao for now

      Your italian friend (Giuseppe Puma)
      Hello my dear friend. Totally agreed, I'm tired of fake reviews, especially on WF. Sorry if my words offended some people. Well I think most reviews showed from google search result are also not in-depth, even fake. So may be the best way is to ask for a free copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    As SEO Haven states bad reviews are good because they are your honest opinion, but always include an affiliate link anyway as I have sent out negative reviews and people have still brought through the link! So don't leave money on the table, as they say.


    This is a good idea. I had an offline store with clothes for women in the past for many years. Even though I hate marketing, I received this store from my uncle and my mother as a gift. I didn't have money to buy it, but they wanted to make me work on it. In the beginning I didn't like this idea but in the end I accepted it because I saw that it was a good way to always have cash.

    I was very sincere with my customers because this is my style as a person.

    In the beginning my mother (who was my business partner) and another seller who was working with us and was an expert told me that I shouldn’t be so sincere, that I should help all customers like all products even if I didn't like them.

    However, later they saw that I had good results because my customers trusted my opinion. Whenever I would say that I liked something they were trying, they knew that this was true.

    I also saw many times a strange phenomenon happen.

    I clearly told many customers that I didn't like whatever they wanted to buy in themselves because it was too big, too small, didn't go well in their body, etc, but besides my sincere opinion they would still buy the clothes they wanted to buy and tell me an excuse to justify why they insisted on buying them.

    It was really funny…






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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    It's best to view the product before you promote it. I wouldn't be on a mission to review a product and then refund it cause it sucks. You're doing niche research anyway, and this is just a part of it. It's best to promote products you know about and that you can build a solid review about, instead of jeopardizing your CB account for refunding a product every week.
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      • Profile picture of the author ShaneWZ
        Originally Posted by Importexport View Post

        I know it is a jungle out there in the internet marketing world, but do we really have to make life difficult for others unnecessarily? Ask for a free review copy and if you don't get it can't you just move on instead of damaging the poor vendor's Clickbank standing?

        Buying to review and then getting a refund is to my mind highly unethical. I speak as a CB eBook vendor who suffers from people doing that to me. Clickbank notify me of a sale and within hours notify my of a refund request.

        Now don't say that I am overselling or raising unreasonable expectations. My sales page understates rather than oversells. No bells and whistles, no freebies etc. I am collecting a lot of excellent unsolicited testimonials, as well as follow up emails with thanks for the ongoing support I give.

        Here's the latest from a buyer: "I purchased your eBook last night and it is a treasure trove of excellent advice and information which I am working my way through. Thank you so much for writing it!" Does that sound as though I oversell or raise unreasonable expectations?

        I have no way of knowing if the few who have demanded instant refunds from me have been banned by CB but I certainly hope so.

        I have supplied free copies to some who have approached me because their proposals looked serious and had been thoughtfully prepared.

        I hope ShaneWZ and others accept the suggestions made by Alexa Smith when asking for a free copy rather than buy and get a refund.

        I would add that if a review copy request came in with the approach taken by carlajoyce "Having promoted clickbank products over 5 years or so, along with WSO's i always create a 1500+ word honest review and ask the product vendor to give accreditation to my review article." I would certainly take it seriously.

        I'm not allowed to include a link but you can click on my signature.

        Yeah, ask for free copies will be good alter. I didn't mean to harm CB vendors just to make my review. Yet we know there are good and bad products on the market. Refund is just the way to weed out those craps.
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        • Profile picture of the author AdaGirl
          I am presently working on what I expect will be an honest and helpful review by buying the product and then reviewing it. I absolutely want to build good relationships not only with my customers but also with vendors. Sorry for asking what may be obvious to others, but what does it mean to get "accreditation from the vendor"? Would someone please elaborate on this? Hmmm, if I should start a new thread, just give me the "look". . .
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          • Profile picture of the author sowens
            Thanks, Ada - as a writer I was hoping to get a clue about 'accreditation' myself. I want to support my affiliates but do not really know how.

            And I want to be sure my time is well-spent, too. The vast majority of affiliates sell nothing and I don't really see why I should give them any free products. But I don't want to miss out on someone who could be a great asset to me some day.

            On the other hand, they earn 60 percent of the sales price without actually creating the work being sold so the money they spend in the purchase price comes back in less than 2 sales. Shelley Owens

            Originally Posted by AdaGirl View Post

            I am presently working on what I expect will be an honest and helpful review by buying the product and then reviewing it. I absolutely want to build good relationships not only with my customers but also with vendors. Sorry for asking what may be obvious to others, but what does it mean to get "accreditation from the vendor"? Would someone please elaborate on this? Hmmm, if I should start a new thread, just give me the "look". . .
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            • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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              Originally Posted by AdaGirl View Post

              what does it mean to get "accreditation from the vendor"?
              Originally Posted by sowens View Post

              I was hoping to get a clue about 'accreditation' myself.
              That makes three of us.

              I'm wondering if it might mean "approving people to be affiliates" (i.e. in the case of vendors who have elected to "white-list" their affiliates and accept as affiliates only people they know, and/or others following contact with them, or whatever? I don't think I actually know a ClickBank vendor who does that, though).

              Originally Posted by sowens View Post

              I want to support my affiliates but do not really know how.
              Yes ... big (and maybe underdiscussed) issue, here. Good vendors tend to want to support and encourage their affiliates.

              I think, to quite a large extent, the appalling, secret truth is that the serious affiliates who are going to bring you 90%/95% of the sales don't really care very much. (I expect large numbers of people to dissent from this view, but I'm sticking to it, anyway). Here's the thing: when it comes to stuff like "ready-made banners" and "ready-made emails" and "ready-made articles" and various other affiliate gimmicks, the best affiliates typically aren't going to use yours anyway. Arrogant and opinionated souls that some of us are, we think we can do better ourselves. Usually. Not quite always.

              There are far, far more affiliates who are really interested in "affiliate gimmicks", and many who will even choose the products they promote on the basis of "what goodies are available". I suspect, though, that if you ask very long-established vendors with really large numbers of affiliates, they'll tell you that most of those affiliates actually make very few sales. That's what I've always heard, anyway.

              Of course, it is good to support and encourage affiliates, and there are various ways you can try to do that.

              Having a nice-looking "affiliate page" (preferably one that isn't linked to from your sales page!) helps. On ClickBank, you need to refer to this in your Marketplace listing and on your Vendor Spotlight page.

              You can have an opt-in for affiliates and keep in touch with them (on ClickBank, you can't require affiliates to sign up - unless you go for the "white-listing" option which almost nobody does). And of course it's a huge mistake to require a sign-up just to show potential affiliates what goodies you have available.

              Encouraging affiliates to contact you, and always replying to them fairly promptly and in a friendly way helps, too ... but I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know, here, and will stop now.

              Originally Posted by sowens View Post

              The vast majority of affiliates sell nothing and I don't really see why I should give them any free products. But I don't want to miss out on someone who could be a great asset to me some day.
              Yes - that's the catch, isn't it? Well, only you can decide this. My comment, if it's worth anything (and there's no reason it should be: I'm not even a vendor) is that it probably doesn't actually cost you anything to give affiliates who might be professional a free copy?

              I have absolutely no idea what your product(s) is/are and am talking theoretically only, here, but if I sent you an email like this asking you for a "review copy" and you didn't want to give me one, I'd buy it through my own affiliate link, anyway. If I were unwilling to do that, if necessary, I wouldn't have been interested enough to ask you in the first place (though obviously I won't say so!). But to be honest, I'd expect you to let me have a free copy (and I do usually get one, when I ask like that).
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              • Profile picture of the author sowens
                Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                That makes three of us.

                Encouraging affiliates to contact you, and always replying to them fairly promptly and in a friendly way helps, too ... but I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know, here, and will stop now.
                You don't have to stop! I really appreciate your expertise. I think I need to survey my affiliates and see what they really want, as individuals.

                Now I know what to ask them, too. Shelley Owens (I write eBooks and powerpoints for offline marketers.)
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    • Profile picture of the author DebiJ
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      It's best to view the product before you promote it. I wouldn't be on a mission to review a product and then refund it cause it sucks. You're doing niche research anyway, and this is just a part of it. It's best to promote products you know about and that you can build a solid review about, instead of jeopardizing your CB account for refunding a product every week.
      I completely agree here. If you're doing info products primarily, maybe start with those that attract more people (and that you could learn from and possibly add a skill set with that you could get paid for if you wanted to as well).

      For example, business owners and product creators build lists, do keyword & niche research, create sales pages, do video creation, etc. Pick a few that interest you to start and then search for a couple of the top rated products or maybe a low and medium price point product comparison... or even a free option compared to a paid product.

      Your review site will become more focused from the start (good for free search traffic and people finding your reviews). You'll be building a brand for yourself.

      And skip the refund thing unless it's REALLY bad or it's software that won't work on your system and the creator can't get it worked out sort of products. Aside from risking your Clickbank account, you'll also run the risk of people learning that you're a 'serial' refunder and the product creators could start banning your purchases. Or worse, you'd be alienating possible future JV partners and promoters because refunds for the sake of product reviews still damage their refund rates on Clickbank... and that endangers THEIR accounts too.

      Something to think about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Well buying it and giving an honest review is obviously better than not buying it and just saying everything is good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I don't get vendors who aren't willing to give away review copies of their info products, it costs them nothing. Who cares if the affiliate then can't send any sales, what do you lose? Nothing.

    A niche I got in recently one vendor has been a complete nightmare to work with. Not willing to give review copies, doesn't seem to actually want affiliates promoting his products, totally rude...shame too because he has the best products by miles.
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    • Profile picture of the author sowens
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      ... it costs them nothing. Who cares if the affiliate then can't send any sales, what do you lose? Nothing.

      ... one vendor has been a complete nightmare to work with. Not willing to give review copies, doesn't seem to actually want affiliates promoting his products, totally rude...shame too because he has the best products by miles.
      Maybe that vendor feels, because he has the best products, he doesn't need affiliates. It's a shame it hurts you but it takes a long time to come up to speed on the internet marketing community if you come from outside. Maybe he just needs time to understand.

      In regards to affiliates who don't sell: they could be stealing your work for a black hat forum or competing product-why would I want to give that person my content free of charge when he or she is trying to harm me?
      Or, it could be a launch jacker who wants to steal my traffic.

      I think that is why, as was said earlier, it's a good idea for the affiliate/vendor to get to know each other.
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    • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
      As a vendor of many infoproducts I would not hesitate to give a review copy IF the marketer contacts me in the right way (showing me they have read through my site and understand my market at least), have shared their marketing approach with me (so I know they have a plan and not just a dream), go the extra mile to request marketing tools/content/interviews, etc...and MOST important of all, show me that their market is highly relevant to my products and services.

      I would say that 95% of the people that contact me for "review" copies do NOT fit this criteria, so I do not give them review copies.

      As information product owners we have to constantly be on the lookout for fraud and abuse, there are, of course, tons of honest, productive customers and affiliates, but often the most aggressive are the ones that have other plans for the products they review (stealing, fraudulant affiliate, etc...)

      Jeff

      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      I don't get vendors who aren't willing to give away review copies of their info products, it costs them nothing. Who cares if the affiliate then can't send any sales, what do you lose? Nothing.

      A niche I got in recently one vendor has been a complete nightmare to work with. Not willing to give review copies, doesn't seem to actually want affiliates promoting his products, totally rude...shame too because he has the best products by miles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I believe the vendor in question does think like that. He as a popular blog in the niche too and I think he assumes that he can get away without affiliates...but then why even put them on CB and allow affiliates to apply then?

    I have more important things to worry about than someone putting my product on a black hat forum. I don't care. There's lots of things they 'could' be doing with them but at the end of the day if it's an info product it costs me nothing to send it to them and even if they are just wanting the information for free...so what. Most will do nothing with it and if they do then fair play to them.

    Better off not to worry about such things IME.
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