Just don't understand.....

by brit16
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....how I could have anywhere from 300 to 800 visitors a day consistently for about a year, now I have a hundred or LESS! I know I am not doing everything "right" and that I don't have much knowledge about IMing, but it seems like my traffic should be going up with time....not down!

Not doing anything shady, and all my traffic is very targeted. Traffic comes mostly from Google, along with some from niche specific forums and blogs.

I can't help but relate it to athletics. If I wasn't doing well I would work on what I was doing wrong and improve. The frustrating thing with IMing is that I don't know what I am doing right when I get sales/traffic or what I am doing wrong when I don't!!!

How can you fix something when you don't know where the problem is????!! Any thoughts?? The blog is in my signature if anyone is willing to check it out and give any feedback!! Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author AdamYoungpeter
    Do you have a lot of affiliate links on your page or something that Google could have noticed? If you have that kind of traffic consistently for a year then all the sudden it drops by 80%, there might be something that you did somewhere.

    Did it drop after a certain post or website update? Did it happen suddenly or over an extended amount of time?
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by AdamYoungpeter View Post

      Do you have a lot of affiliate links on your page or something that Google could have noticed? If you have that kind of traffic consistently for a year then all the sudden it drops by 80%, there might be something that you did somewhere.

      Did it drop after a certain post or website update? Did it happen suddenly or over an extended amount of time?
      It was not really all the sudden. Well, it went from 300 to 800 very quickly. Stayed there for a while, then dropped pretty quickly back down to 300 (at this point I would be thrilled to have the 300 a day back). Since that rapid drop, the drop from 300 a day to 100 or less a day seems to have been more gradual. I am actually working more on the site now then I was when I was getting more views!! So frustrating!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    Traffic comes mostly from Google
    I think that's the answer. I don't know exactly how/why your traffic's dropped from 300-800 per day to under 100, but depending on Google for your primary traffic isn't a viable long-term traffic-generating plan. I think the long-term answer is somehow to come up with a traffic-generation method that doesn't depend on visitors from search engines, Brit.

    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    along with some from niche specific forums and blogs.
    I'm guessing that you're still getting "your share" of those, and that it's mostly the Google traffic that's declined so much, right?

    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    How can you fix something when you don't know where the problem is????!!
    That does tend to be "an IM problem".

    I always liken it to a hurdle race, in which you've either "put in a clear round" or "not put in a clear round", but there isn't a way of knowing which hurdle you didn't clear, when someone (in this case your visitor-numbers) tells you that you didn't have a clear round. In reality, though, most of this problem, most of the time, for most people, revolves directly or indirectly around the issue of "being dependent on Google for your primary traffic". That isn't a solid business. Ultimately, you're just not in control, that way. Sorry - maybe not the most helpful of answers, but true nevertheless, I think.

    Meanwhile, let's hope it's temporary - as these things sometimes can be ...
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      I think that's the answer. I don't know exactly how/why your traffic's dropped from 300-800 per day to under 100, but depending on Google for your primary traffic isn't a viable long-term traffic-generating plan. I think the long-term answer is somehow to come up with a traffic-generation method that doesn't depend on visitors from search engines, Brit.



      I'm guessing that you're still getting "your share" of those, and that it's mostly the Google traffic that's declined so much, right?



      That does tend to be "an IM problem".

      I always liken it to a hurdle race, in which you've either "put in a clear round" or "not put in a clear round", but there isn't a way of knowing which hurdle you didn't clear, when someone (in this case your visitor-numbers) tells you that you didn't have a clear round. In reality, though, most of this problem, most of the time, for most people, revolves directly or indirectly around the issue of "being dependent on Google for your primary traffic". That isn't a solid business. Ultimately, you're just not in control, that way. Sorry - maybe not the most helpful of answers, but true nevertheless, I think.

      Meanwhile, let's hope it's temporary - as these things sometimes can be ...
      I know you are right about not relying on google, but for whatever reason I just have not been able to get much traffic at all without Google. I guess I have not learned that system yet.

      Yes, I am still getting about the same amount of blog/forum visits...it is the google visits that have dropped.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendon Zahrndt
    Brit,

    Are you a member of this group?

    https://www.facebook.com/Infertility...cidWay?fref=ts

    If not, why?

    It sounds like you have some incredibly valuable life experiences to share with a group like that.

    Start looking for ways to gain traffic that don't involve search engines.

    I love your blog and there are plenty more Facebook groups that revolve around infertility that you could join and contribute to.

    You can even create one yourself.

    Forget about the problem - focus on the solution.

    Good luck!

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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by Brendon Zahrndt View Post

      Brit,

      Are you a member of this group?

      https://www.facebook.com/Infertility...cidWay?fref=ts

      If not, why?

      It sounds like you have some incredibly valuable life experiences to share with a group like that.

      Start looking for ways to gain traffic that don't involve search engines.

      I love your blog and there are plenty more Facebook groups that revolve around infertility that you could join and contribute to.

      You can even create one yourself.

      Forget about the problem - focus on the solution.

      Good luck!

      Brendon
      Thanks for the advice and the link to the page. That is one thing that I really haven't ventured into yet.....facebook. Believe it or not I only recently got a personal facebook page, so I don't as much about it as I should. I agree that I should join some....do you just dropped links occasionally to your site? I also think I should start one, one of my honest problems with Facebook is that it is blocked at work. I do alot of my forum posting during the occasional down time. At home....I have two little kids to handle!!
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        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        That is one thing that I really haven't ventured into yet.....facebook.
        I'd develop a business page and run some facebook ads. The more fans you get the higher you can rank it on google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    Sounds like a google slap... have a good look at your stats and see when the traffic tanked and then see if an update related to that date.... that may shed some light

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    Google changes its algorithm all the time. My site DanoSongs was once on page 1 for keyword "royalty free music" now I am on page 5.

    You have to always be working on multiple sources of traffic, and not counting on Google. It is very fickle.
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    Have you tried PPC advertising yet? What paid methods are you using?
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by roblawrence View Post

      Have you tried PPC advertising yet? What paid methods are you using?
      Honestly I cannot afford to take the risk of paid traffic. The only thing I pay for is Aweber and my hosting.....and that is a stretch.

      I know I can do well with the site without any paid traffic it will probably just take more work. I have seen it's potential from time to time it is just not consistent.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    ....how I could have anywhere from 300 to 800 visitors a day consistently for about a year, now I have a hundred or LESS!
    What's changed?

    Better yet, when did it change, and how long has it been down?

    Big difference to the suggestions we can give, until you answer those accurately.

    You're obviously running some form of traffic analysis software to know that it's dropped. Are you running Google Analytics?

    Look to see when it dropped, then check against any Google updates to see if it coincides.

    Read this. (the updates may not apply, but the basic message does)

    http://www.bringthedonuts.com/blog/s...ly-recover.php

    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    I know I am not doing everything "right" and that I don't have much knowledge about IMing, but it seems like my traffic should be going up with time....not down!
    If you know that you're not doing everything right, then why are you doing the wrong things? Or do you mean, you're just guessing at what to do?

    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    Not doing anything shady, and all my traffic is very targeted.
    How do you know?

    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    Traffic comes mostly from Google, along with some from niche specific forums and blogs.
    There's your mistake, right there. No redundancy.

    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    The frustrating thing with IMing is that I don't know what I am doing right when I get sales/traffic or what I am doing wrong when I don't!!!
    That's because you're obviously not tracking anything. You said previously that your traffic is very targeted, and yet you don't know where your sales or traffic is coming from. Seems contradictory to me.

    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    How can you fix something when you don't know where the problem is????!! Any thoughts??
    You find out what the problem is.

    Learn to track and measure properly. Until you do that, you'll be forever "guessing".
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      What's changed?

      Better yet, when did it change, and how long has it been down?

      Big difference to the suggestions we can give, until you answer those accurately.

      You're obviously running some form of traffic analysis software to know that it's dropped. Are you running Google Analytics?

      Look to see when it dropped, then check against any Google updates to see if it coincides.

      Read this. (the updates may not apply, but the basic message does)

      Google Panda, Penguin, and The EMD Update. How to Correctly Identify Them, And What You Can Do to Potentially Recover
      In my last response I mentioned that it did make a sudden drop down to about 300, which I know was a google slap (but I don't know why). After that it just gradually declined to where it is now. That is what makes it hard for me to determine the cause. Yes, I use google analytics to look at my traffic sources.



      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      If you know that you're not doing everything right, then why are you doing the wrong things? Or do you mean, you're just guessing at what to do?".
      What I meant by not doing everything "right", is that I am a beginner and I know I still have a lot to learn. I am obviously not intentionally doing anything wrong. So, in a sense I guess I am guessing?! I am taking what I have learned along the way and putting it to use the best I know how. As for not doing anything "shady", if I am I never realized I was??!! Have you seen something on my site that suggest I am?




      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      That's because you're obviously not tracking anything. You said previously that your traffic is very targeted, and yet you don't know where your sales or traffic is coming from. Seems contradictory to me.?
      Not sure what you are saying here. I do know (for the most part) where my sales and traffic come from. Just not sure why they have declined gradually over the last 6 months to a year.


      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      You find out what the problem is.

      Learn to track and measure properly. Until you do that, you'll be forever "guessing".
      You say "learn to track properly".....do you have any suggestions on HOW to do this?? I would love to learn this skill!

      Thanks for the advice / suggestions!
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        which I know was a google slap
        Ok. Which one?

        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        (but I don't know why)
        Once you are able to identify the issue, it's usually very easy to determine the cause. However, there may not be a cause. Google doesn't need to give you a reason.

        What date did it drop? What "slap" coincides with the drop???

        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        Yes, I use google analytics to look at my traffic sources.
        Good. Answer the questions above.

        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        Have you seen something on my site that suggest I am?
        I haven't looked at your site.

        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        Not sure what you are saying here.
        I mean exactly what I said.

        You said "The frustrating thing with IMing is that I don't know what I am doing right when I get sales/traffic or what I am doing wrong when I don't!!!"

        So you're not tracking. If you were, you would know exactly where your traffic and sales were coming from.

        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        You say "learn to track properly".....do you have any suggestions on HOW to do this?? I would love to learn this skill!
        Now you're asking better questions.

        2 tools.

        1. Google URL tool
        2. Google Analytics

        Listen, you might be thinking "Why is this guy asking me so many annoying questions?" I'm trying to make a point, and that is, before you ask - THINK about what you're asking/saying.

        Use some common sense. So many members here say "WTF is wrong?", or "Why am I not making any money", and go into a mad panic, and then get all defensive and argumentative when others are trying to help them.

        You need to learn to ask yourself BETTER QUESTIONS.

        Instead of asking "My traffic is declining and I have no idea why?".....ask yourself "Wouldn't it be great if I knew exactly where my traffic is coming from? That way I would know with absolute certainty what's going on, and then if something went wrong, I would be able to firstly SEE it, then fix it, because I'm not guessing anymore".

        This is why so many people fail. Because they're either a) too lazy to ask better questions b) too ignorant c) too stupid d) all of the above.

        I always apply the "Wouldn't it be great if I knew" technique to everything.

        Wouldn't it be great if I knew exactly which video is driving the most traffic.
        Wouldn't it be great if I knew where my target audience is.
        Wouldn't it be great if I knew what training product to make next.

        When you don't know, either find out, or ASK how to find out.

        This is what the big guys do. They don't guess. They know.
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        • Profile picture of the author brit16
          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          Ok. Which one?



          Once you are able to identify the issue, it's usually very easy to determine the cause. However, there may not be a cause. Google doesn't need to give you a reason.

          What date did it drop? What "slap" coincides with the drop???



          Good. Answer the questions above.



          I haven't looked at your site.



          I mean exactly what I said.

          You said "The frustrating thing with IMing is that I don't know what I am doing right when I get sales/traffic or what I am doing wrong when I don't!!!"

          So you're not tracking. If you were, you would know exactly where your traffic and sales were coming from.



          Now you're asking better questions.

          2 tools.

          1. Google URL tool
          2. Google Analytics

          Listen, you might be thinking "Why is this guy asking me so many annoying questions?" I'm trying to make a point, and that is, before you ask - THINK about what you're asking/saying.

          Use some common sense. So many members here say "WTF is wrong?", or "Why am I not making any money", and go into a mad panic, and then get all defensive and argumentative when others are trying to help them.

          You need to learn to ask yourself BETTER QUESTIONS.

          Instead of asking "My traffic is declining and I have no idea why?".....ask yourself "Wouldn't it be great if I knew exactly where my traffic is coming from? That way I would know with absolute certainty what's going on, and then if something went wrong, I would be able to firstly SEE it, then fix it, because I'm not guessing anymore".

          This is why so many people fail. Because they're either a) too lazy to ask better questions b) too ignorant c) too stupid d) all of the above.

          I always apply the "Wouldn't it be great if I knew" technique to everything.

          Wouldn't it be great if I knew exactly which video is driving the most traffic.
          Wouldn't it be great if I knew where my target audience is.
          Wouldn't it be great if I knew what training product to make next.

          When you don't know, either find out, or ASK how to find out.

          This is what the big guys do. They don't guess. They know.
          I get everything you are saying and I know you are likely right about all of it....but you are telling me what to ask myself without making any suggestions on HOW to answer those questions?! If I was picking from your multiple choice question above I would choose "C - too ignorant". I don't plan on failing at this, but I am ignorant to all of this. To put it into perspective, my co-workers used to tease me about not knowing how to check my email!!

          I think I have came along way learning things on my own without spending money buying every recourse out there. Have been able to make about 2500 in my first two years, not want I want, but it is a start. Any specific suggestions on how to answer your wonderful questions?!

          Thanks again for everything.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
            Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

            ...but you are telling me what to ask myself without making any suggestions on HOW to answer those questions?!
            You wouldn't be asking yourself those questions if you already knew the answer.

            You're in a position that a lot of people are in. They want to make money, but they have no money to invest. It's a catch 22 situation.

            Nothing changed for me until I started investing money towards coaching. Then, and only then, did things turn around.

            If you're continually trying to scrape by without spending any money, then chances are you will fail, or continue to struggle.

            I shot a video today about how to track and measure traffic to your site. Once it's up, I'll PM you the link.

            BTW - If you're making sales, put that money towards learning. Educating yourself in this business (from credible sources) is important.
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            • Profile picture of the author brit16
              Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

              You wouldn't be asking yourself those questions if you already knew the answer.

              You're in a position that a lot of people are in. They want to make money, but they have no money to invest. It's a catch 22 situation.

              Nothing changed for me until I started investing money towards coaching. Then, and only then, did things turn around.

              If you're continually trying to scrape by without spending any money, then chances are you will fail, or continue to struggle.

              I shot a video today about how to track and measure traffic to your site. Once it's up, I'll PM you the link.

              BTW - If you're making sales, put that money towards learning. Educating yourself in this business (from credible sources) is important.
              I would appreciate that link...thanks. Are you suggesting that you CAN'T be successful without paying for traffic?? I know I am new to all this, but I can't imagine that I couldn't build a somewhat successful site before paying for any traffic.

              Yes I am making some sales, but it is really inconsistent. When I do happen to get those checks in from clickbank we are always desperate for the money and I can't really justify spending it anywhere other than on the family.

              We spent thousands of dollars trying to make our children (which is the first hand knowledge I believe can make the site successful), and have a lot of debt to show for it. If I could get the site making some consistent money, even three hundred a month or so, then I would be comfortable investing a little a month. But until I get to that point I would like to find a way to build it up somehow.
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              • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
                Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

                I would appreciate that link...thanks.
                No problem.

                Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

                Are you suggesting that you CAN'T be successful without paying for traffic??
                No.

                I'm saying, invest the money you're making from the site towards paid courses, or training that will help better you.

                Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

                we are always desperate for the money
                Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

                and have a lot of debt
                Well if things are so dire, why on earth are you even doing this?

                Surely, it would make much more sense, to just get paid work.

                So many people are utterly delusional about making money online, that they have dollar signs in their eyes. I know a LOT of people that are doing this, and very few of them are making anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    It sounds like you're not making any money because you can't afford paid ads. So I would question if you have a traffic problem or a conversion problem? Do you know your conversion rates? Even if you were getting up to 800 uniques a day if you were not making sales then you should consider re-working you sales process.

    At quick glance I had no idea what to do on your site, but I'm also not your target market. Your sales letter could also use a big makeover too.

    Hope that helps some,

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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by Don Grace View Post

      It sounds like you're not making any money because you can't afford paid ads. So I would question if you have a traffic problem or a conversion problem? Do you know your conversion rates? Even if you were getting up to 800 uniques a day if you were not making sales then you should consider re-working you sales process.
      Went back to look at the "conversion rates"....in the last few months I have had 447 clicks to the ebook and have made 21 sales with one refunded. So, I guess this means I have between a 4 and 5 % conversion rate??!! Is this what you are referring to? Sorry, I don't know all the terminology. Not sure how these numbers compare to the "norm". I know the number of clicks are low, but that is probably because the number of visitors is so low right now. I was making more sales when the visitors were up. Maybe not as many more as I would have liked, but more.

      Originally Posted by Don Grace View Post

      At quick glance I had no idea what to do on your site, but I'm also not your target market. Your sales letter could also use a big makeover too.

      Hope that helps some,

      Don
      Could you explain what you mean a little bit? Any suggestions???!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    Ok you seem very confused about how to get traffic.

    Why don't you pay for it? This way you will be able to know exactly what you're doing right and wrong.

    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by Gary Ning Lo View Post

      Ok you seem very confused about how to get traffic.

      Why don't you pay for it? This way you will be able to know exactly what you're doing right and wrong.

      Cheers,

      Gary
      She already answered that she does not have the budget for it.

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      • Profile picture of the author brit16
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        She already answered that she does not have the budget for it.

        RoD

        THANKS!!! Everyone is commenting about "paying" for traffic, but I know not everyone pays for their traffic. There has got to be ways that I can get more traffic WITHOUT paying for it! I understand that it will likely be worth it in the long run, but until I start making money more consistently, then I cannot take that chance. The whole reason I started IMing is because we are two BROKE teachers with two little boys and I need to find ways to make extra money....not to spend extra money.
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  • Profile picture of the author enrikm
    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    but it seems like my traffic should be going up with time....not down!
    This unfortunately is not always the case. With a lot of Google updates hitting us frequently, you can never really be sure of your traffic.

    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    How can you fix something when you don't know where the problem is????!! Any thoughts??
    With just one site, you may have a problem with diagnosing what the true problem is. The most effective way (though it's still not 100%) to determine what's causing the trouble is if you split test.

    Try to experiment with different factors and eventually you might be able to pinpoint your key to success.
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  • Profile picture of the author mcwalker25
    Hey Brit, diversify your traffic sources. I would say start thinking about investing in media buys and ad traffic, you will find it will be worth it in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author taralomas
    Yes, you can try PPC advertising, there may be a good effect.
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by taralomas View Post

      Yes, you can try PPC advertising, there may be a good effect.
      We have discussed (numerous times) that I cannot afford to pay for clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    Try some different traffic generating techniques.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...e-traffic.html

    http://www.warriorforum.com/articles...e-website.html

    Google traffic is usually quite unstable. You need to balance it out with other techniques.
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Grace
    Went back to look at the "conversion rates"....in the last few months I have had 447 clicks to the ebook and have made 21 sales with one refunded. So, I guess this means I have between a 4 and 5 % conversion rate??!! Is this what you are referring to? Sorry, I don't know all the terminology. Not sure how these numbers compare to the "norm". I know the number of clicks are low, but that is probably because the number of visitors is so low right now. I was making more sales when the visitors were up. Maybe not as many more as I would have liked, but more.
    That's actually a very good conversion, so it sounds to me like you need to build a back end, that's where the real money comes in.
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by Don Grace View Post

      That's actually a very good conversion, so it sounds to me like you need to build a back end, that's where the real money comes in.
      It has always converted at atleast 3 %, some parts of the year are better than others. I thought this was pretty decent.

      What do you mean by a "back end"? Sorry for the ignorance. If you are referring to building a list....I am doing that. I have a few hundred subscribers. But I don't get the response I would like out of the list. This is one of the areas I feel like could be really improved, but I am sure that is another thread all together!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Friedmett
    Hmmm......

    How must value is your website putting out? How long do they stay and how often do they return for updates? Google analytics are a good tool to tell you.

    No updates = anyone else who does is more relevant to Google.

    How about backlinks? How many relevant backlinks pr week has been done?

    Any outside Google traffic that link back to your website does determ your Google search results.

    How was the traffic part done? Low content or high content not spun articles/videos social media? The better the content the better it stays.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Sometimes it is not a "Google Slap" it is a "Visitor Slap" What I mean is, if you are only relying on google, sometimes peoples search habits change

      Example, on my ecommerce site. When we first started we knew what the main keyword people were searching to find our niche. So, we optimized and enjoyed some nice traffic and conversions, then, it fell off dramatically. We did not know why, we were new at all this so our research skills were not that good and we hired someone to look into it for us. What they determined was a new keyword phrase, the same three words only in a different order. This does not sound like a big deal but it was. Now the first 2 keyword phrases are out all together and a new set of keywords are in.

      So, learn how to use the Free Google Keyword tool and just update your site, and I know you can not afford PPC but if you are making sales then you should probably put some of that money into some paid traffic. OR, take some of the money, join the War Room, there is a ton of FREE info available for traffic generation there

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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by Friedmett View Post

      Hmmm......

      How must value is your website putting out? How long do they stay and how often do they return for updates? Google analytics are a good tool to tell you.
      I feel like the site is putting out value. It is about infertility and I am an infertility patient, so all the post are first hand knowledge. Things I have learned along the way, my story, etc. Just looked on google analytics and it says the average duration is 1.12 and 18% of the visits are return visitors. Have no idea how these stats compare to other information blogs?!


      Originally Posted by Friedmett View Post

      How was the traffic part done? Low content or high content not spun articles/videos social media? The better the content the better it stays.
      I attempted to get the traffic from writing high quality blog post about specific topics in the infertility niche. The post are all written by me...nothing spun....from my first hand experience. I get positive emails / comments from viewers fairly often. But I have to admit that I do not do a great job building back links. I do post on relevant blogs / forums, etc that allow signature links.
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    The back end would be upsells, one time offers, higher end products etc.
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    Hi Brit. I see you are wanting to get more traffic to your website by using only free traffic methods. I'm not sure it's still selling and I think it might be over at JVZOO.com but Jon Wedel had an excellent free traffic course last month. It was like 9 bucks or so. It was called traffic shockwave 2.0.
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  • Profile picture of the author SurrealPSD
    IM ignorance is temporary. Kudos to you for creating decent, helpful content - that's the big battle in all this. The folks that try and cheat that step don't do too well
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by SurrealPSD View Post

      IM ignorance is temporary. Kudos to you for creating decent, helpful content - that's the big battle in all this. The folks that try and cheat that step don't do too well
      Thanks, I feel like I started out the right way, but have come to a place where I don't know what to do next!
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by SurrealPSD View Post

      IM ignorance is temporary. Kudos to you for creating decent, helpful content - that's the big battle in all this. The folks that try and cheat that step don't do too well
      Thanks....I am trying to build a legit blog, that people like to come to, and make a little money along the way!
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    ....how I could have anywhere from 300 to 800 visitors a day consistently for about a year, now I have a hundred or LESS! I know I am not doing everything "right" and that I don't have much knowledge about IMing, but it seems like my traffic should be going up with time....not down!

    Not doing anything shady, and all my traffic is very targeted. Traffic comes mostly from Google, along with some from niche specific forums and blogs.

    I can't help but relate it to athletics. If I wasn't doing well I would work on what I was doing wrong and improve. The frustrating thing with IMing is that I don't know what I am doing right when I get sales/traffic or what I am doing wrong when I don't!!!

    How can you fix something when you don't know where the problem is????!! Any thoughts?? The blog is in my signature if anyone is willing to check it out and give any feedback!! Thanks in advance.
    This is why you test and track everything so you know what is happening with your website, where your traffic is coming from, how many visitors from each places, where sales are coming from, what the weak links are and so on.

    How can you not know where the drop in traffic is? Check your stats in Google Analytics or whatever else you're using....assuming you are using something?

    If your traffic was mostly Google chances are keywords you were ranking for have dropped in the results. Assuming you know what keywords were bringing you traffic then work out which have dropped.

    Now would be a good time to start focusing on non Google traffic. I think it's wise in 2013 and beyond if 90% of your traffic is non search engine related.

    You need to focus on your list too if you only have a few hundred subscribers. If people aren't opting in keep testing and tweaking the opt in process until they are. Again you need to test what works and what doesn't. If you just slap an opt in form on your page and expect people to sign it you'll probably be disappointed.
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by RockingLastsForever View Post

      This is why you test and track everything so you know what is happening with your website, where your traffic is coming from, how many visitors from each places, where sales are coming from, what the weak links are and so on.

      How can you not know where the drop in traffic is? Check your stats in Google Analytics or whatever else you're using....assuming you are using something?

      If your traffic was mostly Google chances are keywords you were ranking for have dropped in the results. Assuming you know what keywords were bringing you traffic then work out which have dropped.

      Now would be a good time to start focusing on non Google traffic. I think it's wise in 2013 and beyond if 90% of your traffic is non search engine related.

      You need to focus on your list too if you only have a few hundred subscribers. If people aren't opting in keep testing and tweaking the opt in process until they are. Again you need to test what works and what doesn't. If you just slap an opt in form on your page and expect people to sign it you'll probably be disappointed.
      I do know that my keywords have dropped in google, and that is why my traffic has obviously dropped. My question is more....WHY have my keywords dropped when I am not doing anything shady. No spun content, all original blog post, written about very specific topics in my niche.

      I have 502 subscribers to be exact and only have the 2 because I haven't deleted two more yet. I can't afford to pay double to have over 500 subscribers so I continuously go in and delete some to keep it under 500. I know this may be a mistake but I am deleting ones that seem to be unresponsive to the emails.

      I agree that I need more non-google traffic, but that seems to be harder said than done:confused:.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        I have 502 subscribers to be exact and only have the 2 because I haven't deleted two more yet. I can't afford to pay double to have over 500 subscribers so I continuously go in and delete some to keep it under 500. I know this may be a mistake but I am deleting ones that seem to be unresponsive to the emails.
        Wait, what???? :confused:

        You're deleting subscribers because you can't afford your auto responder?

        Seriously, get a job, or start offering paid services.

        That's ridiculous.
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        • Profile picture of the author brit16
          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          Wait, what???? :confused:

          You're deleting subscribers because you can't afford your auto responder?

          Seriously, get a job, or start offering paid services.

          That's ridiculous.
          I DO have a job!! I am a full time teacher, but so is my husband and unfortunately teachers don't make what they should. I really do appreciate all of your advice. Don't think you should be so quick to judge someone who has a full time job, comes home to take care of a three year old and 6 month old and is trying to earn a little on the side if at all possible.

          I understood that you were saying to re-invest the money I make into building the site, and in a perfect world that is exactly what I would do. It just doesn't happen that way right now, because we need the money. I am not trying to "get rich quick" or anything like that. Just trying to learn a skill that I could use to generate some extra income ... On tip of my crappy teacher pay. Apparently teaching 15 year olds is supposed to be an easy job.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    My question is more....WHY have my keywords dropped
    Because Google does things webmasters don't like sometimes. Rankings change. Better sites with better links come along. Google deems your site less relevant or doesn't like something you've done to the site. It happens.

    This is why you shouldn't be relying on unpredictable search engine traffic.

    I agree that I need more non-google traffic, but that seems to be harder said than done
    I've always found it easier to get traffic WITHOUT search engines than with it.

    What part seems difficult to you?

    I have 502 subscribers to be exact and only have the 2 because I haven't deleted two more yet. I can't afford to pay double to have over 500 subscribers so I continuously go in and delete some to keep it under 500. I know this may be a mistake but I am deleting ones that seem to be unresponsive to the emails.
    Then obviously your subs aren't making you any money? You need to work on that. Figure out ways to turn subscribers into $$$. Recommend products that you know will genuinely help them with whatever problem they have and make commissions on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    There was a guy on here recently who was getting 15,000 sign ups a month and then deleting them before the end of each month so his autoresponder company didn't charge him for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author jessmonsilva
    Hi,
    First of all. I was going to say since you can't invest in ppc to invest in solo ads, but since you're not in the internet marketing niche you might not have as much luck with solos. They're definitely a lot cheaper than ppc though if you ned some paid advertising and good quality subscribers.
    Deleting subscribers isn't a good thing, you have an awesome list if you have 500 subscribers, try giving them content as well as just selling them offers. Tell them to go check out your blog posts, give them part of a free report, write them a short email. The point is, the list can't be bombarded with just plain offers, you need to nurture your list as well.
    Also, you might wanna start investing your time in backlinking. If you can't invest money, you're going to invest time, and lots of it to get your business off the ground. You can't just rely on people to search your key words and hope people find you. Those backlinks with the signatures and even other blogs are going to help you get ranked and stay ranked a lot better than just relying on luck with google.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    How much is your monthly auto responder bill if it goes over 500 subscribers?
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      How much is your monthly auto responder bill if it goes over 500 subscribers?
      It only goes up ten bucks, which I know seems trivial, but I don't see why I would pay even ten dollars for people to stay on the list who are unresponsive?!

      I have only ever deleted people who have not opened / clicked any of my emails for a long stretch of time. What good are these people to me???
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      • Profile picture of the author rickwill71
        hang in there britt, every buisness goes on a roller coaster ride, give it a little time it will come back.

        good luck
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      • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
        Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

        I really do wonder about this place sometimes.....
        They weren't even bothering to email them.

        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        It only goes up ten bucks, which I know seems trivial, but I don't see why I would pay even ten dollars for people to stay on the list who are unresponsive?!

        I have only ever deleted people who have not opened / clicked any of my emails for a long stretch of time. What good are these people to me???
        They are only unresponsive because you're not taking time to make them responsive.

        What are you doing to engage them? Sure some people will never open your emails, it happens, but if you do email marketing properly you can make sure that not too many of them do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Don't get so discouraged. The traffic to my websites increased with the Panda update, but dropped dramatically with the Penguin update. I tried to do many things, but in the end I was more busy with a special service I provide, and I couldn't care about my websites.

    Two months later my websites started getting again the traffic they lost with the Penguin update and better rankings, even though I didn't manage to do anything to achieve this goal.

    Now they were affected again with the EDM update. I saw the traffic dramatically dropping again.

    I’m not really worried now that I saw that after the initial modifications, things go back to place after a certain period of time.

    Besides Google Analytics, I use StatCounter to see where my traffic comes from. The second one is better because it gives me information about what is happening today and many other details, and it is free. You can use StatCounter too and learn a lot more about your visitors, what they are doing at your blog, etc.

    You may also try creating lenses, even though this is not a fast way to make money and promote your work. It takes time, but you can do it bit by bit.

    I created 82 Squidoo lenses to promote my websites and blog and they are helping me drive quality traffic to my pages. The creation of Squidoo lenses is free and you are even paid for creating them. You could create a few lenses about your story, fertility, etc, promoting your business, and also promoting Amazon products that are Squidoo’s favorite ones, along with eBay products, Cafepress, etc, and receive commissions.

    Many people are making a lot of money with Squidoo.

    You can create 25 lenses and become a Giant Squid if you will write original content. You will have the advantage to be able to post as many links as you may desire to your blog in every lens, while if you are just a lensmaster you only have the right to post 9 links to the same URL.

    Squidoo helped me in many ways, but it takes time to start really working. Besides that, they keep changing their system, they have many irritating rules, and their support desk is terrible. So, it’s not a good idea to depend on Squidoo and try to make a lot of money with their system. Use your Squidoo lenses to drive traffic to your blog and make some money.

    You can find information about how to create perfect Squidoo lenses for free if you will look it.






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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

      Don't get so discouraged. The traffic to my websites increased with the Panda update, but dropped dramatically with the Penguin update. I tried to do many things, but in the end I was more busy with a special service I provide, and I couldn't care about my websites.

      Two months later my websites started getting again the traffic they lost with the Penguin update and better rankings, even though I didn't manage to do anything to achieve this goal.

      Now they were affected again with the EDM update. I saw the traffic dramatically dropping again.

      I'm not really worried now that I saw that after the initial modifications, things go back to place after a certain period of time.

      Besides Google Analytics, I use StatCounter to see where my traffic comes from. The second one is better because it gives me information about what is happening today and many other details, and it is free. You can use StatCounter too and learn a lot more about your visitors, what they are doing at your blog, etc.

      You may also try creating lenses, even though this is not a fast way to make money and promote your work. It takes time, but you can do it bit by bit.

      I created 82 Squidoo lenses to promote my websites and blog and they are helping me drive quality traffic to my pages. The creation of Squidoo lenses is free and you are even paid for creating them. You could create a few lenses about your story, fertility, etc, promoting your business, and also promoting Amazon products that are Squidoo's favorite ones, along with eBay products, Cafepress, etc, and receive commissions.

      Many people are making a lot of money with Squidoo.

      You can create 25 lenses and become a Giant Squid if you will write original content. You will have the advantage to be able to post as many links as you may desire to your blog in every lens, while if you are just a lensmaster you only have the right to post 9 links to the same URL.

      Squidoo helped me in many ways, but it takes time to start really working. Besides that, they keep changing their system, they have many irritating rules, and their support desk is terrible. So, it's not a good idea to depend on Squidoo and try to make a lot of money with their system. Use your Squidoo lenses to drive traffic to your blog and make some money.

      You can find information about how to create perfect Squidoo lenses for free if you will look it.





      I have heard about using these but never looked into them much. I will do some more research in this area. Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        I have heard about using these but never looked into them much. I will do some more research in this area. Thanks!
        Forget about messing around with Squidoo.

        Spend your time on your own website.
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        • Profile picture of the author brit16
          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          Forget about messing around with Squidoo.

          Spend your time on your own website.
          Thanks for the input. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it, that it would just be taking away time I could spend on my site. What do you think about creating a Facebook page?? Would that be worth the time or should that time be spent on the site as well??
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          • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
            Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

            Thanks for the input. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it, that it would just be taking away time I could spend on my site. What do you think about creating a Facebook page?? Would that be worth the time or should that time be spent on the site as well??
            You leverage external properties (websites) to drive traffic back to your own site. It doesn't matter what property it is, (Facebook, Youtube, Google, Twitter, iTunes) the basic fundamental is always the same.

            It's called content syndication (or sharing) your content across multiple properties.

            It should be relatively quick and easy. It doesn't make sense to be sitting around creating 500 lenses on someone else's property, that you don't own anyway, when you could be publishing that content on your own site.
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    I'm going to hazard a guess that you have built a reliance on Google for your traffic.

    That is what you are doing wrong if so.

    This is INTERNET MARKETING, not Google Marketing - step outside of your comfort zone and find new traffic sources - they exist all over the web.

    Even this forum is a traffic source for some!
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Instead of deleting subscribers can you export them to a file and when you get the $ then import them back in.

      You should really do some homework here on the forum and find out the best way to set up a sales funnel and really work that list. With the right emails along with products you should be able to make some capital to really grow this business.

      I know you are busy and do not have money, but, do you know that if you took a part time job at a fast food place or a convenience store and only worked for 2 or 3 weeks then you would probably have enough money to pay your auto responder up-charge for a whole year as well as put some money into paid traffic.

      I know alot of people say they can not do that due to time and whatnot, but, I think you can

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      • Profile picture of the author brit16
        Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

        Instead of deleting subscribers can you export them to a file and when you get the $ then import them back in.

        You should really do some homework here on the forum and find out the best way to set up a sales funnel and really work that list. With the right emails along with products you should be able to make some capital to really grow this business.

        I know you are busy and do not have money, but, do you know that if you took a part time job at a fast food place or a convenience store and only worked for 2 or 3 weeks then you would probably have enough money to pay your auto responder up-charge for a whole year as well as put some money into paid traffic.

        I know alot of people say they can not do that due to time and whatnot, but, I think you can

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        You are very right....I know I should be making some money out of my list and I am really not at all. Pretty much all my sales come from people clicking links off my site (not through the emails).

        I understand what you are saying about the part time job thing, but honestly my kids have to be a priority as well. I am not willing to give up the couple hours a day that I do have with them to work at McDonalds. That is why I thought internet marketing was a good way to earn some extra, I can work on it at work and / or when they are sleeping.
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        • Profile picture of the author agmccall
          Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

          You are very right....I know I should be making some money out of my list and I am really not at all. Pretty much all my sales come from people clicking links off my site (not through the emails).

          I understand what you are saying about the part time job thing, but honestly my kids have to be a priority as well. I am not willing to give up the couple hours a day that I do have with them to work at McDonalds. That is why I thought internet marketing was a good way to earn some extra, I can work on it at work and / or when they are sleeping.
          The sacrifice you will be making will be "For" your children and it is not forever. You only need to get this part time job 10-20 hours a week for 2 or three weeks. You do not need to give up a lifetime it is only a few weeks, you will not miss anything. And, if invested wisely you will be able to have much more time with your children.

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          • Profile picture of the author brit16
            Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

            The sacrifice you will be making will be "For" your children and it is not forever. You only need to get this part time job 10-20 hours a week for 2 or three weeks. You do not need to give up a lifetime it is only a few weeks, you will not miss anything. And, if invested wisely you will be able to have much more time with your children.

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            I respectfully disagree with you! What good will two or three weeks be to me....other than a little bit to invest? To take the time finding a job, that I am only going to work for two weeks makes no sense to me.

            I am a very hard worker, but my family still comes first to me. We tried to have kids for five years, and had three miscarriages along the way. I guess I value my time with my kids more than the average Joe. Also, my husband is a coach and works long hours....so, I would be having to pay a babysitter to go to a minumum wage job!
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    It only goes up ten bucks, which I know seems trivial, but I don't see why I would pay even ten dollars for people to stay on the list who are unresponsive?!

    I have only ever deleted people who have not opened / clicked any of my emails for a long stretch of time. What good are these people to me???


    It's a mistake to delete subscribers. Many people do that when they have big lists, but you never know when a subscriber will decide to purchase your products.

    Read this thread to learn more about this matter:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...cked-link.html




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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Threads like this are the reason why I built my business around my LISTS. With lists, you aren't dependent on Google and search engines. Lists can be structured to be SELF-GENERATING traffic sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Forget about messing around with Squidoo.

    Spend your time on your own website.

    Thanks for the input. I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it, that it would just be taking away time I could spend on my site.

    You have to do something to promote your business for free.

    I create lenses only because I want to promote my websites, but I also make some money thanks to these lenses, and this money helps me pay a few expenses.

    Click on the second link of my signature and scroll down. You will find a lens where I give detailed instructions about how to create perfect Squidoo lenses in a short period of time.







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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    I think the issue most people have with Squidoo is that you have no control over it and they can take away your lenses at any time.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I think the issue most people have with Squidoo is that you have no control over it and they can take away your lenses at any time.


    Yes, Squidoo is quite problematic in many ways. This is why I don't suggest the creation of many Squidoo lenses. You should just create 25 or so to become a Giant Squid and have some advantages, and use your lenses mainly to drive traffic to your own pages as a traffic generating method.






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  • Profile picture of the author jmharris48
    This sounds like you would have done something differently to make your traffic drop that dramatically. You might want to go back and look at certaing posts if you can and see if you notice anything that would cause traffic to drop...

    YOu could also try some other free advertising sites and start getting more traffic and very targeted traffic at that...

    Goodluck!
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Not to exclude other Warriors and just because I'm familiar with the work of John Romaine, Alexa Smith and SurrealPSD, learn from their posts about article or content syndication for list building and your continuous relationship with your lists. And non-one-source-dependent marketing.

    You could also create a YouTube channel and tell your story in video format and post on the other video outlets including Facebook. You could also interview others for their stories in video.

    Kudos to you for trying so hard to have a baby and spend as much time as possible with your kids. After you're gone, they will likely be your most significant impact upon the world.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Look when it comes to Squidoo, all I'm saying is don't sit around for a month of Sundays building "lenses".

    If you can hire someone to put them together for you, and they're actually working for you, and if you have the budget for it - then do it.

    Otherwise, instead of posting all that content on Squidoo, put it on your own site.
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      This has turned into Squidoo Vs. No Squidoo, and honestly I am not that interested in taking the time to build them. With the limited time that I have to spend on IMing, I think it is best spent elsewhere.

      If anyone has any suggestions on HOW to make my list more responsive and / or HOW to build up more traffic without Google (as many of you have mentioned is likely my main problem) than I would love to hear it!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Brendon Zahrndt
        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        This has turned into Squidoo Vs. No Squidoo, and honestly I am not that interested in taking the time to build them. With the limited time that I have to spend on IMing, I think it is best spent elsewhere.

        If anyone has any suggestions on HOW to make my list more responsive and / or HOW to build up more traffic without Google (as many of you have mentioned is likely my main problem) than I would love to hear it!!
        I'm too lazy to read the entire thread so forgive me if this question has been answered in this manner but have you considered surveying your list?

        That's what most of us do.

        Ask them straight up what they want out of you, and deliver the results.

        You will find that your readers appreciate the personal touch by reaching out to them and in turn you will convert the fence sitters into buyers, the buyers into loyal customers and the loyal customers may even turn into friends.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
          Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

          you will become a Giant Squid
          I don't know about you, but the last thing I think about when I roll out of bed in the morning is "becoming a giant squid".

          Originally Posted by Brendon Zahrndt View Post

          I'm too lazy to read the entire thread so forgive me if this question has been answered in this manner but have you considered surveying your list?

          That's what most of us do.

          Ask them straight up what they want out of you, and deliver the results.

          You will find that your readers appreciate the personal touch by reaching out to them and in turn you will convert the fence sitters into buyers, the buyers into loyal customers and the loyal customers may even turn into friends.
          Surveys suck, especially when you hit everyone on your list.

          Better still, ask the buyers what they want. At least they've already voted with their credit cards.

          Tyre kickers will tell you they want everything, then refuse to pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    This has turned into Squidoo Vs. No Squidoo, and honestly I am not that interested in taking the time to build them. With the limited time that I have to spend on IMing, I think it is best spent elsewhere.


    I told you to create a few Squidoo lenses because this way you can promote your business for free and make some money. You can simply rewrite what you have already written in your blog in different words and create a few lenses to promote your blog, let’s say 25 lenses, since this way you will become a Giant Squid and have more advantages.

    These 25 lenses will drive targeted traffic to your blog, and Squidoo will pay you a certain amount. So, you will have the $10 to pay for your auto-responder instead of deleting subscribers.

    There are numerous ways to drive free traffic to your blog, but you will have to spend a lot of time with them, without knowing if you will really manage to drive enough traffic.

    By creating Squidoo lenses, you will spend your time without knowing if you will really manage to drive the traffic you desire the same way, but at least you will make some money with this practice.





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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    As promised, here is how I track and measure traffic to my website.

    Quit Mucking Around - Here's How To Effectively Track and Measure Traffic To Your Website
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendon Zahrndt
    John,

    My guess is that even the tire kickers on her list are human beings that are looking for a bonafide solution to a very serious issue.

    So I will repeat - survey that list.

    Even if the tire kickers never buy, you've hopefully helped them with their issue somehow, someway.

    Stop treating your lists like dollar signs and start treating them like people.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    And I will repeat, surveys suck.

    I've done hundreds of them. More than I care to remember, and in almost every case, the tyre kickers are complete time wasters.

    I don't know how many times I wasted money and effort putting stuff together for people that said "We want this and we're willing to pay for it", only to have them become totally evasive once it's ready.

    I've learnt to focus on the buyers, because they're qualified. They've already purchased. They'll purchase again.

    Look, all I'm saying is you have to be very careful doing surveys, because it's really easy to be led down a rabbit hole by people that have no intention of buying anything.

    Survey your buyers.
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  • Profile picture of the author jessmonsilva
    as far as squidu I would think this person would have better luck getting gigs on fiverr or the like, at least so they can get the money to pay for their autoresponder. That way as others have said all that content you would have otherwise put on squidu you can put on your website and you don't have to share content.
    Just my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
    Hi Brit, let me start off by commending you on what you've achieved so far. IM is not an easy game at all, especially if you're not totally web savvy and have lots of time to dedicate to it.

    It's about 3am here and I was about to go to bed, so I apologize if my recommendations are too vague. I'll drop back in the morning to check on the thread. Here are my honest recommendations:

    1. Don't invest in paid traffic. I've already seen quite a few people suggesting you get into PPC or media buys and I couldn't disagree more. Don't do it. At least not yet. You absolutely need to have a sales funnel set up with a tracking system.

    Once you get into paid advertising you need to be able to know which keywords convert into sales, which ads convert, which landing pages convert, ect... If you don't have any of that set up, you will be throwing your money away with paid ads. I'm not going to go into detail on how to do these things because I don't think your business it at that stage yet. There is a time for paid ads, but not yet. There's other things to do first.

    2. Switch to GetResponse. It's $15 a month for up to 1,000 subs, which is already less than the $19 you're paying for Aweber's 500. I've used both and happen to like GetResponse better as well. I use it exclusively now.

    3. Set up an autoresponder series. This is basically a series of emails that you set up once and they're delivered in sequence to your subscribers. You can do this with both Aweber and Getresponse. Mix in free tips, your blog articles and products you promote.

    4. Stop depending on Google's traffic. This doesn't mean you can't get traffic for free; it just means you need to find other ways of generating it. Google is extremely volatile, and unless you have a very reputable site, chances are you're going to see your rankings move around all over the place. I learned this the hard way when my sites were Gslapped as well.

    5. Start driving social traffic. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Tumblr, you name it. It's crucial that you get started on these platforms to start generating free traffic. Best of all they can all be integrated to make things a lot easier. For example, I have my Instagram linked to my Facebook, Twitter and Tumblr so every time I post a pic, it gets posted on the other places as well.

    It's super easy to start generating a following of people once you get the hang of it. You have the advantage of being in a targeted niche that you are an expert in, and can actually help a lot of people. Use it to your advantage.

    As far as tips go, this is a really long topic so I'lll try to stay brief. If you have any specific question I'll be happy to answer them when I get back on in the morning.

    A clever thing you can do on Facebook is to "Like Lock" your content. Your ebook for example. Basically, you send people to a tab on their facebook page where they must "Like" your page in order to download your ebook. They get the book, you get a like. It's like a subscription. That's a great way of getting a lot of likes to your page. That and just find people that are looking for the advice you have to give and talk to them.

    The apps I use for "Like Locking" my FB pages are MyTab and Woobox Custom Tab. Do a search for those and they should come up easily.

    Also, join other forums related to your niche and talk to people. Make sure to put your site url in your sig/profile info and have a call to action. Blog comments have also worked well for me in the past. Become an authority in your field.

    6. Youtube. This belongs with social media, but it can be so powerful that I left it by itself. Not only is Youtube a great place to build a following (and sell products), Utube videos also rank really well in Google - so traffic will be much easier to obtain.

    Start making videos about topics related to your niche. Use Google keyword tool to get ideas for topics to talk about. Although since you're already an expert in your niche, you probably already know what other moms in need of your advice would be searching for.

    And you don't need an expensive camera or fancy editing software. Just start making videos. Even if they're simple, pixelated and ugly, they can still work well. People are looking for information; they don't want to be sold anything. Just provide them with useful, genuinely helpful content and your traffic will grow.

    Hope some of this information helps you. I don't normally write this much on here but I can tell you needed it.

    All the best, and God bless.
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    • Profile picture of the author brit16
      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      Hi Brit, let me start off by commending you on what you've achieved so far. IM is not an easy game at all, especially if you're not totally web savvy and have lots of time to dedicate to it.

      It's about 3am here and I was about to go to bed, so I apologize if my recommendations are too vague. I'll drop back in the morning to check on the thread. Here are my honest recommendations:.
      Thank you for the kind comments! Considering I am not at all "web savvy", never even used the computer other than basic email and gradebook (I am a teacher) before I started with IMing a little over two years ago. Thanks in advance for all the good advice, I think your comment is one of a handful on here that was actually helpful at all. Some of your suggestions I am actually already doing, maybe not successfully, but attempting anyway.


      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      1. Don't invest in paid traffic. I've already seen quite a few people suggesting you get into PPC or media buys and I couldn't disagree more. Don't do it. At least not yet. You absolutely need to have a sales funnel set up with a tracking system.

      Once you get into paid advertising you need to be able to know which keywords convert into sales, which ads convert, which landing pages convert, ect... If you don't have any of that set up, you will be throwing your money away with paid ads. I'm not going to go into detail on how to do these things because I don't think your business it at that stage yet. There is a time for paid ads, but not yet. There's other things to do first..
      I couldn't agree with you more...don't worry I have no intentions of paying for traffic at this point in the game. Not only can I not afford it, but I don't have the knowledge on how to do it successfully. It is just too risky for me.


      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      2. Switch to GetResponse. It's $15 a month for up to 1,000 subs, which is already less than the $19 you're paying for Aweber's 500. I've used both and happen to like GetResponse better as well. I use it exclusively now..
      Learn something new everyday! I had no clue that Getresponse was up to 1,000. I did know that it was around the same price, but I guess I just assumed the numbers were atleast similar.


      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      3. Set up an autoresponder series. This is basically a series of emails that you set up once and they're delivered in sequence to your subscribers. You can do this with both Aweber and Getresponse. Mix in free tips, your blog articles and products you promote..
      I do actually have an autoresponder series set up. But I do feel like it is lacking and could use some more work. I have a bit of a hard time knowing what to put in those first few emails to make the most impact on the viewers. Right now I have it set up where the first email they get is basically a link to my free "IVF Guide"IVF, the next few emails are a mix of IVF info and a few IVF success stories. I think it is the fourth email where I actually pitch the ebook that I promote. Any suggestions on having a successful series would be appreciated!!


      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      4. Stop depending on Google's traffic. This doesn't mean you can't get traffic for free; it just means you need to find other ways of generating it. Google is extremely volatile, and unless you have a very reputable site, chances are you're going to see your rankings move around all over the place. I learned this the hard way when my sites were Gslapped as well..
      I understand that you are right, but am still a little at a loss for where the traffic will come from.



      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      5. Start driving social traffic. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Tumblr, you name it. It's crucial that you get started on these platforms to start generating free traffic. Best of all they can all be integrated to make things a lot easier. For example, I have my Instagram linked to my Facebook, Twitter and Tumblr so every time I post a pic, it gets posted on the other places as well. .
      I think this is the biggest thing I am getting out of this thread. I am obviously missing out on social media traffic. Any suggestions on how you get this started? Do you set up a business page or just a regular page (Facebook)? I have a personal Facebook page but I assume I would create one specifically for my site?



      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      A clever thing you can do on Facebook is to "Like Lock" your content. Your ebook for example. Basically, you send people to a tab on their facebook page where they must "Like" your page in order to download your ebook. They get the book, you get a like. It's like a subscription. That's a great way of getting a lot of likes to your page. That and just find people that are looking for the advice you have to give and talk to them.

      The apps I use for "Like Locking" my FB pages are MyTab and Woobox Custom Tab. Do a search for those and they should come up easily..
      This sounds like a great idea!! I have never even heard of this before. Is this an easy process for someone with limited internet knowledge? When I send the first email where they want to download my book would it then send them to my Facebook page?? Thanks!


      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      Also, join other forums related to your niche and talk to people. Make sure to put your site url in your sig/profile info and have a call to action. Blog comments have also worked well for me in the past. Become an authority in your field. .
      This is actually how I have been getting traffic all along. Before I started getting any google traffic I was posting like crazy on infertility forums. I do get some traffic from them, but it still doesn't compare to google. I do some blog commenting as well, but not as much as forum posting.

      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      6. Youtube. This belongs with social media, but it can be so powerful that I left it by itself. Not only is Youtube a great place to build a following (and sell products), Utube videos also rank really well in Google - so traffic will be much easier to obtain.

      Start making videos about topics related to your niche. Use Google keyword tool to get ideas for topics to talk about. Although since you're already an expert in your niche, you probably already know what other moms in need of your advice would be searching for..
      I know this is good advice, for some reason I have been a bit intimidated with the whole video thing. You are right that I already have all the knowledge I need and know what topics people are looking for; I guess my hang up is that videos seem like they would need to be entertaining vs. just informational. And I guess I don't think of myself as all that entertaining.


      Originally Posted by tooAlive View Post

      Hope some of this information helps you. I don't normally write this much on here but I can tell you needed it.

      All the best, and God bless.

      Really appreciate you taking the time to leave a thoughtful response!!! Thanks again for the good suggestions.
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      • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
        Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

        Thank you for the kind comments! Considering I am not at all "web savvy", never even used the computer other than basic email and gradebook (I am a teacher) before I started with IMing a little over two years ago. Thanks in advance for all the good advice, I think your comment is one of a handful on here that was actually helpful at all. Some of your suggestions I am actually already doing, maybe not successfully, but attempting anyway.
        I'm glad some of my advice was useful.

        Learn something new everyday! I had no clue that Getresponse was up to 1,000. I did know that it was around the same price, but I guess I just assumed the numbers were atleast similar.
        Absolutely. All their other price points are cheaper than Aweber as well. And not because it's not as good; like I said before, I've used them both and like GetResponse better. It may take a slight getting familiar with the new layout, but overall it's much easier to use and understand, IMO.

        I do actually have an autoresponder series set up. But I do feel like it is lacking and could use some more work. I have a bit of a hard time knowing what to put in those first few emails to make the most impact on the viewers. Right now I have it set up where the first email they get is basically a link to my free "IVF Guide"IVF, the next few emails are a mix of IVF info and a few IVF success stories. I think it is the fourth email where I actually pitch the ebook that I promote. Any suggestions on having a successful series would be appreciated!!
        Great! Here's a little tip to set it up correctly. I see you're promoting the IVF CB product. Try to see if they have a newsletter you can sign up to as a customer, not an affiliate. Do this with other products you're promoting and even competitors as well. Basically what you're going to do is reverse engineer their autoresponder series.

        Don't flat out copy it, but use it as a foundation to build your own. Chances are that these CB vendors have put a lot of money and research into it, so it should have good results. I've even found other products to promote because on of the Clickbank vendors I promote sent me an email promoting an other CB product that wasn't even theirs.

        So find out what they're doing and simply do it better.

        I think this is the biggest thing I am getting out of this thread. I am obviously missing out on social media traffic. Any suggestions on how you get this started? Do you set up a business page or just a regular page (Facebook)? I have a personal Facebook page but I assume I would create one specifically for my site?
        Ideally you'd use both. There are certain things a Facebook company page can't do, like message other people, talk in groups, ect.. But by the same token, you can't set up facebook tabs (like the like locker I mentioned) on a personal page. So you'd ideally set up both and use them together. I.E, using your personal account to promote your page. Luckily, you niche is something that your own current friends may be inclined to share for you as well.

        This sounds like a great idea!! I have never even heard of this before. Is this an easy process for someone with limited internet knowledge? When I send the first email where they want to download my book would it then send them to my Facebook page?? Thanks!
        I would say yes. On their site they even have instructions on how to do it, so it shouldn't be too complicated.

        And you could do that. Although it'd be worth to test out and see if your conversions drop after adding that extra step. I'd probably use the like locker to get more email signups, and not as another step in your conversion process. But who knows, it may work for you. The only way to know for sure is by testing.

        Here's a pic of a "Like Locker" or "Like Gate." Just so you can get an idea. (Not mine)



        On the next page you could have the download link for the ebook, or even an optin form to join your list and have the book mailed to them. Kinda like a 2 for 1 deal. Again, you'll have to test test test to see what works out best.

        This is actually how I have been getting traffic all along. Before I started getting any google traffic I was posting like crazy on infertility forums. I do get some traffic from them, but it still doesn't compare to google. I do some blog commenting as well, but not as much as forum posting.
        If the forum you're on has a lot of authority, you could actually use it to piggyback some of it's traffic onto your site. Do some keyword research and make threads with your keyword in the title. The idea is to get that forum thread to start ranking. And since some forums are strict about self promotion, simply include your call to action in your sig.

        So people will read your article/thread, find it useful and then visit your site. That's another way you can use forums to generate traffic.

        I know this is good advice, for some reason I have been a bit intimidated with the whole video thing. You are right that I already have all the knowledge I need and know what topics people are looking for; I guess my hang up is that videos seem like they would need to be entertaining vs. just informational. And I guess I don't think of myself as all that entertaining.

        Really appreciate you taking the time to leave a thoughtful response!!! Thanks again for the good suggestions.
        It depends on the niche your're in. In your case, I don't think the videos need to be flashy and entertaining. I'm sure you'd have a lot more luck with being simple, honest and informative.

        Again, I hope these suggestions have helped.
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  • Profile picture of the author CRGreen
    Hi Brit. There are a lot of things you can do to get traffic from other sources besides Google. Have you tried guest blogging on other blogs in your niche? This is a great way to get your name out there in front of more people in your niche that you may not be reaching yet. You could also do some research and find out if there are any podcasts (or Blog Talk Radio shows) about infertility that you could ask to be a guest on - another great way to get your name. What about article marketing and submitting to a directory like Ezine Articles?

    Have you thought about offering a service to your niche? Maybe you could do some coaching to other women going through the same thing you went through (just a suggestion, don't know whether coaching would do well in your niche or not).

    As for deleting people off your list. Sometimes, people are really inactive for long periods of time and then suddenly purchase or start interacting with you in other ways. The goal is to always be building your list so you're going to have to pay the extra money to go above 500 people.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSL Publishing
    Are you totally hooked up to Google + ? Check that out and let me know.

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    Originally Posted by brit16 View Post

    ....how I could have anywhere from 300 to 800 visitors a day consistently for about a year, now I have a hundred or LESS! I know I am not doing everything "right" and that I don't have much knowledge about IMing, but it seems like my traffic should be going up with time....not down!

    Not doing anything shady, and all my traffic is very targeted. Traffic comes mostly from Google, along with some from niche specific forums and blogs.

    I can't help but relate it to athletics. If I wasn't doing well I would work on what I was doing wrong and improve. The frustrating thing with IMing is that I don't know what I am doing right when I get sales/traffic or what I am doing wrong when I don't!!!

    How can you fix something when you don't know where the problem is????!! Any thoughts?? The blog is in my signature if anyone is willing to check it out and give any feedback!! Thanks in advance.
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