Newbies Are Often Disillusioned - no wonder

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Lots of people starting out in IM are under the illusion that they can make a lot of money overnight or in a week, or just quickly.

But who can blame them? I for one encountered loads of packages when I first was interested in IM that claimed you could make this kind of money - easily. If I remember rightly, almost all the packages I came accross said this and there was no mention of the fact that there is a lot of hard work involved on the sales copy. I was quite fortunate because I was sceptical, but still wanted to give it a go with no expectations.
Luckily this forum is here to put them right.

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  • Profile picture of the author annihilator
    I'm fairly new to IM and my first impressions are that you are correct: Most people are lured to this area for promises of getting rich overnight or something. Which obviously can't be the case. So after getting a little bit more involved, they find everything overwhelming and quit, which is understandable.

    Me, I'm just a student and even a $200 extra income per month would make a big difference in my living conditions, so if I can get that by investing 1-2 hours every day to this business, then great.

    And as far as I can understand, it's gonna be worth it. There are literally tons of things to learn, so as long as you're doing this job you're

    1. Earning money some of which you can reinvest in your business and increase your rate of expanding your business

    2. Earning experience which makes you more effective per hour of time you invest in this business.

    So, for a resourceful person I think the profit/income curve over time would not be linear, but exponential. Then, advice to self: Bear and stick with it, it's gonna be worth it
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    • Profile picture of the author bethsuzi
      Originally Posted by annihilator View Post

      I'm fairly new to IM and my first impressions are that you are correct: Most people are lured to this area for promises of getting rich overnight or something. Which obviously can't be the case. So after getting a little bit more involved, they find everything overwhelming and quit, which is understandable.

      Me, I'm just a student and even a $200 extra income per month would make a big difference in my living conditions, so if I can get that by investing 1-2 hours every day to this business, then great.

      And as far as I can understand, it's gonna be worth it. There are literally tons of things to learn, so as long as you're doing this job you're

      1. Earning money some of which you can reinvest in your business and increase your rate of expanding your business

      2. Earning experience which makes you more effective per hour of time you invest in this business.

      So, for a resourceful person I think the profit/income curve over time would not be linear, but exponential. Then, advice to self: Bear and stick with it, it's gonna be worth it

      You got it.

      That's exactly how I feel. Because I'm not in any hurry I can take my time but I do feel quite sorry for those who are all excited about this new opportunity that turns out to be not quite what they expected.

      I really don't think there is one easy way to make money online, not for a newbie who has no experience whatsoever. And at first this can be very disappointing. I must say though for any newbie reading this. It can be done if you are willing to put in the graft so just forget about it being easy and roll up your sleeves .

      Just wondered what others thought of this.

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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    I find this too! ive been online for 4yrs and find that many feel that they expect you to provide it to them on a plate and it can be achieved overnight. Ive had times when i have put in 16hr days to get what i want to achieve. Been working these hours lately (since xmas) just so that i can set up some new income streams so that i can have the summer off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    There is no such thing as a free lunch.

    I dont care what anyone tells you online or anywhere else. You're not going to get something for nothing, and if someone really had a way to make millions overnight, they wouldnt be telling you how to do it for 19.95 and an email address, they wouldnt need your money, because they've made millions overnight (duh).
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

      There is no such thing as a free lunch.

      I dont care what anyone tells you online or anywhere else. You're not going to get something for nothing, and if someone really had a way to make millions overnight, they wouldnt be telling you how to do it for 19.95 and an email address, they wouldnt need your money, because they've made millions overnight (duh).
      But Michael, that is what almost every internet marketer is telling the readers in their sales letters, if they are selling internet marketing products. The pitch varies considerably, but they all seem to tell us that it is easy, takes a couple of hours a day, or a week, or what ever. And people fall for this crap. I bought a package last night from a Warriors Signature for $14.95 that sounded pretty good. Told me that I would not have to create original content and gave me the idea that I could gather that from other web sites. Sounded pretty interesting, and was pretty cheap too, so I plunked down the $14.95 and read it. I was more confused after I read it than I was before.

      Yes, I should have known better, but the sales letter was so compelling. And I just wasted $14.95 and about an hour of my time. I am sure he has a great process and makes good money with it. He just didn't explain it to me so I could use it. Am I just dumb as hell? Maybe. Will I ever stop getting convinced to spend my money on hese types of items? Only if I quit reading them as the sales letters are so well done.

      I am not trying to say that I was expecting to make a killing overnight. But it would have been nice to have learned something for my money. All I got out of it was more confused.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by timpears View Post

        But Michael, that is what almost every internet marketer is telling the readers in their sales letters, if they are selling internet marketing products. The pitch varies considerably, but they all seem to tell us that it is easy, takes a couple of hours a day, or a week, or what ever. And people fall for this crap.
        It's an unfortunate truth that big red letters with unfounded fantastic claims of overnight wealth with no work involved sells better than the truth. They're not selling a product ... they're selling a dream. Common sense tells you that it's probably not true ...not as easy as they say, but you fall for it because you want to believe it's true and this product might just be the one that gives you the blueprint.

        It's not just IM products ... it's all affiliate products ... Lose 20 lbs in 2 weeks without dieting and exercise ... Use this cream and you will go from looking like Godzilla to Cinderella overnight .... It's all the same. If it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Baystreet
    Another problem that newbies have is the many differet ways to make money. I think the key is to pick one and get good and then move on to another method.

    Alot of people, myself included, would get started on one thing and then drop that to chase the next greatest thing that comes along and never really get anywhrere.
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    • Profile picture of the author Les Blackwell
      I have been at it 18 months and it's not a free ride.
      I have spent weeks, days and hours, you can't do it overnight inspite of the claims, unless you win a lottery.
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      • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
        Originally Posted by Les Blackwell View Post

        I have been at it 18 months and it's not a free ride.
        I have spent weeks, days and hours, you can't do it overnight inspite of the claims, unless you win a lottery.
        I have been researching a lot of IM products out there and from what I see you get about 90% Information given to you by the IM where you purchased the product/software/PDF then you have provide the last 10% which of course if you do not have the savy you will fail and you have to put in the hours to get anywhere but the best part is if you do the research and find the right Nich you can make some $$$ on the net
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  • Profile picture of the author Odhinn
    Unfortunately, those false promises sell more products than a salesletter that says "You have to actually do real work to make money." The truth is, the methods of making money online are often very simple to understand, but the hard part comes when it's time to buckle down to execute them.
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    • Profile picture of the author bethsuzi
      Originally Posted by Odhinn View Post

      Unfortunately, those false promises sell more products than a salesletter that says "You have to actually do real work to make money." The truth is, the methods of making money online are often very simple to understand, but the hard part comes when it's time to buckle down to execute them.
      See, this is where I disagree. Ok maybe there are some people who want a free ride. But there are also lots and lots of people who are willing to work but are lost because they are being told one thing and then the reality is different. So the newbie doesn't even know where to start cos they think they are doing it wrong when they are not seeing earnings right away. To be honest, I felt this a little when I first started. Even though I wasn't fooled by the make thousands overnight, I still thought I was doing something wrong when I wasn't at least making $10 in a week. So I think this attitude of newbies who want to earn a lot of cash quite quickly (cos that is what they were told in the sales copy) are lazy and greedy. It just isn't fair.
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  • Profile picture of the author bbells
    I also have seen and been sold that same cup of BS. Obviously anything that is going to be lucrative cannot come without hard work, (except for lottery winners.) In the beginning i felt that the only way to succeed is to learn and execute.
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  • Profile picture of the author mprey
    One thing that always struck me as odd about IM marketing slogans was this concept to mention very specific amounts of money you can earn - so "Earn $7264.17 in one week" instead of "Earn $1000 in one week". I never understood why this is actually better or makes it more believable. Even if it's supposed to make things more authentic, the idea that you'll earn the exact same amount of money is completely silly. It's been done to death.
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  • Profile picture of the author gundammeister
    I blame it on the WSO. They have such seductive wording.
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  • Profile picture of the author OmarNegron
    Yep you are right...

    Many websites promote that you can get rich fast without any effort at all. We all know that is NOT THE TRUTH no matter what you promote.

    It takes work! Work...Work...Video Games...and Work! ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author JamesX
      Originally Posted by OmarNegron View Post

      Yep you are right...

      Many websites promote that you can get rich fast without any effort at all. We all know that is NOT THE TRUTH no matter what you promote.

      It takes work! Work...Work...Video Games...and Work! ;-)
      One mans work is another mans pleasure.

      You can learn to enjoy anything, even laborious and life consuming things can become fun with the right reframing.

      IM and efficiency restructuring is just command and conquer or starcraft in a different format.
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  • Profile picture of the author StageREM
    I am fairly new at this myself with less than a month invested if I figure on an 8 to 10 hour day average....I recently made my first sale....my goal right now is: learn, implement, grow and finally succeed!!! reading this forum has been great after all I just found out I need to build a list....
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  • Profile picture of the author makecashnow
    You have to roll up your sleeves and get to work, it takes time to really get going. The people that say it just takes a few days are full of it or are trying to sell you a scam product. If its to good to be true, it probably is.

    I see products that are supposed to help you gain massive amounts of traffic but end up getting you hit with Googles Duplicate content tag or worse they dump you in the sandbox.

    Stay away from products that spin article content to create "new articles", they don't work well enough to cheat Google.

    Avoid link farms their links are more hurtful than helpful.

    If you have a website make sure you sign up with DMOZ and other directories, it takes awhile to get listed but worth the time.

    Write articles on ezine and other directories, spend time doing that as much as possible. Write How to articles for some of the how to sites.

    You can always pay a writer to write articles, go to Elance. At Elance you can hire someone for about anything.

    I hope that helps,

    Shawn
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      • Profile picture of the author edman
        Nicely put Tina,

        Business online is still business... you have to create a product that satisfies a demand, look for where the clients hang out, communicate your message effectively, keep your clients happy, upgrade, be consistent and keep going...

        Once you realize that, life will be much easier.

        Look within and find out what you like doing enough to do it without getting paid for it, do some research to see what others are doing, what people are saying and looking for, then decide if you have a market... if you don't know how, look for a product that can help you and then you can see past the hype to invest wisely, and get the info you need.

        Once you've created it, find out how to market it, start with forums, articles, optimize your website, use blogs, etc.. it's all out there.. take it one step at a time, look for supporting materials to help you achieve what you want...

        since you like what you're doing.. you'll keep going and eventually decide how much more effort you want to put into it to expand.

        one step at a time...

        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        Maybe it's time to stop blaming the marketers for doing their job well and start putting more responsibility back on the person with so little common sense that they think money falls from heaven when they turn on the computer.

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      • Profile picture of the author bethsuzi
        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        Maybe it's time to stop blaming the marketers for doing their job well and start putting more responsibility back on the person with so little common sense that they think money falls from heaven when they turn on the computer.

        Tina G
        Hey Tina

        Thing is. The whole point is the the marketers do their job so well that the newbie in a way has had the wool pulled over their eyes. They have been told that money is easy to make by all those fantastic marketers so how can you blame them for believing it?

        What I'm trying to say is I've seen a lot of very successful marketers like yourself who put a lot of work in once you have learned the ropes but lets not forget that the average newbie gets sucked into this by promises of $4356.22 per week for 4 hrs work (I loved that post).

        Then has to realise slowly but surely that there is no way to do it without starting from scratch and probably only seeing a little money after some months. Sure they are probably hard workers in what they know but have been told that they don't need to for this.

        Even though these products include good ways to make money, it can't be done any time soon for the newbie and many shelling out their $47 of hard earned cash is a big hole in their pockets and they NEED to make it back then find that they can't. I know it must be frustrating seeing newbies cry for help but who can blame them, they were duped.

        But, the great thing is this forum is probably discovered by the deflated newbie once they are suitably confused about the whole thing and they are shown the light and can move on with a clear head.

        This forum is a total life saver. Long live the forum
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        • Profile picture of the author malfumos
          I for one is a newbie in IM. I was also victimized of a site that tells in their sales page that they will payback me if I signed up for a VIP access. It is a online job site that never really can be trusted. They have many nice testimonies but they don't really offer a good output.
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      • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
        Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

        Maybe it's time to stop blaming the marketers for doing their job well and start putting more responsibility back on the person with so little common sense that they think money falls from heaven when they turn on the computer.

        Tina G
        Damn. I had a big catch-blanket set up above my roof. I just figured people were taking the money from it at night before I could get to it in the morning.

        Now you're telling me there's no Santa Claus?

        I'm devastated. Guess I'll take my blankie down tonight.

        ...maybe I'll leave it 'till the morning, just in case...
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  • Profile picture of the author IGotTheNews
    I too have thought this. There is too many sites out there that advertise the "Get Rich Quick" news. There are too many people just trying to screw with you and mess up credit/bank accounts. The Get rich quick is a lie. But there are companies where you can get a good income per month for extra spending cash. You just need to want to screw people over if you want to make the millions, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author makecashnow
    I just saw mention of a product that was junk, but had good sales copy. One of the Guru's not sure which one, told me what matters with what your selling is the sales copy. The product doesn't even have to be that good, once you've sold the product, you've made your money.

    I do home business reviews, I've reviewed programs costing as much as $2,000. I can tell you that it is best not to even put stock in the sales copy, a lot of the Guru's outsource that job on elance. Google the name of the product and check for reviews first, if its a new product don't buy it. You can wait a month or two to find reviews on it, there is a 98% chance it doesn't work.

    I wish more people would work on their products as much as they work on the copy, I see to many $50 ebooks turning into $2,000 programs. I guess you add a few videos and you can rip people off more these days.

    Also check the privacy policy and earnings disclaimer, when they talk about stated results not being typical and there is no guarantee you will make any money from using this product, stay away. Also no way to contact the site owner should raise a red flag.

    Be careful,

    Shawn
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  • Profile picture of the author anuj291
    i am not a person who believes you can make thousands of dollar with no effort put and most of the peopel who send mails specially claim that... for people who are like me.. these guys just piss me off and they are just blocked stright away....
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  • Profile picture of the author USHwy129
    I think the correct perspective on IM is the potential ROI....the same amount of hours here could potentially make you MUCH more money than the same amount of hours at the majority of jobs/careers.
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  • Profile picture of the author elle56
    It's really hard work. You have to put hours before you can even see money coming in. In my case, I spend at least 25 hours a week to do IM. I wish I could do more but I can't quit my job just yet. I'm seeing trickles of income. It's not huge but at least I am earning.
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  • It's the hardest thing I've ever done. Not that I couldn't pull off the old, "Get rich quick by suckering people into thinking they can get rich quick" scheme if I wanted to, but that's just not right. It's not honest work.

    For me it's not about getting rich. I want a late-model Toyota and the freedom of not having to punch in and out for some jerk. I want to be able to write and create. It's the lifestyle that I'm after, not the riches. But, wow, it's harder than I thought. I have never worked so hard for so little money.

    But I'm pretty sure that someday I'll crack the code and figure out how to get visitors to click the dang ad and fill out the dang form. Attracting traffic is the easy part.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig Fenton
    Hi Beth:

    You have a great attitude and being analytical is a fantastic bonus too. Obviously you grabbed on to the fact that if making good money (never mind great) can be had for 2-4 hours a day of work, wouldn't we find very few that would want to wake up at 6AM and be stuck in city traffic?

    Hope you have success in the future and continue to make your own decisions as to fact or fiction!
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  • Profile picture of the author internote007
    I'm new too to IM and it has been very hard so far but I'm not going to give up that easily. I've been spending 4 hours every night after coming home from my full time job and I've been spending all my weekends on it. I hope that I'll see some tiny results soon that will boost my confidence and keep me going.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terri LC
      Internote007 - You sound just like me, but I think I spend even MORE time than that online. I'm completely fascinated with IM and learning what I can....I started out getting an autoresponder b/c the program I bought told me to....it was months later that I realized I should probably actually have subscribers first!!!

      But I try not to make the same mistake twice and now it's time to TAKE ACTION. In fact, I am taking a week off a very flex f/t job to focus on my niche uninterupted and over the course of many days.

      I don't blame the IM at all. I had to return to my common sense instead of believing everything I read, and in the end, if they've made off with my $, you don't forget and they've blown any future opp for sales....

      My forte is Marketing offline, now I'm ready to transfer it online and look forward to the day that I can give back and help those who started out like myself.

      Cheers,
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      • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        You're not going to get something for nothing, and if someone really had a way to make millions overnight, they wouldnt be telling you how to do it for 19.95 and an email address, they wouldnt need your money, because they've made millions overnight (duh).
        lol... keep thinking that.

        Originally Posted by makecashnow View Post

        I just saw mention of a product that was junk, but had good sales copy. One of the Guru's not sure which one, told me what matters with what your selling is the sales copy. The product doesn't even have to be that good, once you've sold the product, you've made your money.
        True, it is sales copy that sells the product. That's common sense. But to put this sort of negative spin on it does not help much.

        Originally Posted by makecashnow View Post

        I can tell you that it is best not to even put stock in the sales copy, a lot of the Guru's outsource that job on elance.
        no guru would outsource sales copy to elance.. if they do not do it themself, they are using a known copywriter, not some nobody on elance. lol

        Originally Posted by makecashnow View Post

        Google the name of the product and check for reviews first, if its a new product don't buy it. You can wait a month or two to find reviews on it, there is a 98% chance it doesn't work.
        ummm, yeah.. you realize of course that you will find hundreds of reviews on most products, because it's how a TON of affiliates market those products. It can be launch day itself, and there will already be tons of reviews saying how great the product is.

        Originally Posted by makecashnow View Post

        Also check the privacy policy and earnings disclaimer, when they talk about stated results not being typical and there is no guarantee you will make any money from using this product, stay away.
        you must be joking.. those disclaimers are REQUIRED. of course there is no guarantee! nothing in life is guaranteed accept death and taxes.

        I have to be frank, based on your comments here, I do not think you are really qualified to consider yourself a "reviewer" of products..
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  • Profile picture of the author AnthonyWilson
    I once attended a seminar where Yanick Silver was speaking and he refered to the old saying:

    Give a man a fish and he can eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he can feed for the rest of his life. However most people just want the fish!

    There is no magic bullet or big red button to press to just make the money appear.

    I for instance have spent a long time learning this stuff, e.g creating websites, learning to use autoresponders, setting up blogs, learning about marketing and sales copy, PPC, creatig videos etc..

    Realistically I would advise a newbie to be prepared to invest some time in learning all of this stuff which could take a few months and you should be prepared to spend some money along the way, but don't go mad!

    Once I officially started I made my first £10,000 in ten months. I put in vast amounts of hours to get my business up and running and I am now at the point where I can keep this income coming in while only working a few hours per week.

    Needless to say, I want more so I am still working very hard to take my business to the next level.

    It is misleading to say that it is possible to make a fortune in the space of a few weeks. I'd say it requires months (or a couple of years) of hard work to build a list and automate your business so that in future years you will then be able to generate a large income with just a few hours of work each week.

    If you accept this and are prepared to put in the effort then this can be a great business to get into.
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  • Profile picture of the author saintsguy
    I am a newbie but I am well past the point of thinking this is going to be either quick or easy. Now I'm just hoping I can work really hard and ultimately see some results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Ramos
    I got into IM just a few months back and after reading the first post I said
    to myself... man is this right!
    Although it is hard to make money online at the beginning, I say that with
    perseverance you can get to the end income you strive, but it can take
    months or even years.

    For me just making $93 last month in my blog was totally amazing.
    This month is almost through and Im already at $114, but being a
    newbie I can relate to putting a lot of time into it. But thinking positive
    is where I stand, little by little with time and hard work, it'll get better
    and pay off.
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    • Profile picture of the author yves
      Originally Posted by Peter Ramos View Post

      I got into IM just a few months back and after reading the first post I said
      to myself... man is this right!
      Although it is hard to make money online at the beginning, I say that with
      perseverance you can get to the end income you strive, but it can take
      months or even years.

      For me just making $93 last month in my blog was totally amazing.
      This month is almost through and Im already at $114, but being a
      newbie I can relate to putting a lot of time into it. But thinking positive
      is where I stand, little by little with time and hard work, it'll get better
      and pay off.
      Thats great Peter,

      I think that is what Beth is trying to say. Try to get over the initial disappointment and just work hard at your own pace and eventually it will pay off.

      Well done to you for putting in the hard work, persevering and seeing results.

      Keep up the good work
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  • Profile picture of the author lilydab
    I think it is very hard to make money online,there are so many companies advertising the get rich quick schemes but in reality I do not know of anyone of them that works.The only good thing these days is that if you purchase something that you are not happy with you should be able to get a refund,as most products come with that offer and I will not purchase anything without that clause.The biggest problem is getting distracted with all these offers and then jumping from one thing to the next because you are not seeing any results.
    I have spent hours and hours online and with all the information there are some days when I think my head is going to explode trying to learn how to do things.
    With the:confused: blogging,squidoo,hubs,twitter,myspace,facebook,Dig g,Propeller,links,html,articles---I think I'll have to stop now but I'm sure you all know what I mean.Lilian
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
    I really didn't know if i should comment on this or not but IM (Internet Marketing) seems to give people the impression that they can throw up a site and make money over night as you said and its as easy as that. Or even worse the packages that you buy that 'guarantee' you income and yet are full of crap and normally only provide you with instant cash then it gets over saturated and your out of pocket.

    So going back to the fact that people really don't think they need to work in IM its wrong until you get to a stage were you are outsourcing and understant everything behind whats going on and really are on the ball as such. Once you get to a stage were you can honestly say you can make $100 in a day or $1000 in a day and feel secure that you can do that no problem, thats when you know what your doing.

    But anyhow dont get caught up in trying to learn everything first either... no one is perfect and honestly you dont need to know everything as you can outsource it cheap and still make alot of cash doing the same thing over and over and scaling it up even at low quality.

    Tom Brite
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  • Profile picture of the author lancer
    well....i have passed 4 and half years in this line. One thing i can say mates. NO-ONE CAN GET RICH OVERNIGHT. Its totally impossible concept and a total bluff. You have to work hard for that.With time you will get experienced and will know how to deal with things. I have seen so many marketers who got a customer but didn't know how to deal with his coders and got ripped by them. Forget about millions, you have to know first what you are doing. Its not a lottery or something. you have to stick in the business and watch the directions of the wind.
    and beware of the guys who say they can make u milliner tomorrow morning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
    Hi everyone,

    I am also very new to IM.

    My advice to anyone new to all this would be stay away from the 'buy now' button and search the internet for free answers to your questions - there are lots of free resources out there, so keep your money in your pocket until you're confident that you know what you're doing!

    Spend time - not money - learning first.

    I have been helped tremendously by watching and participating in this thread
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-together.html

    On this thread everyone is free with their advice and there is no patronising or smart mouth stuff going on - just good people helping.

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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    I understand what you are saying bethsuzi.

    I look at it this way. Suppose you could get a college degree in Internet marketing. There wouldn't be just one single course. You would take a course in article writing, in SEO, in getting back-links, in writing sales copy, in email marketing, in list building, in joint ventures, in product development, and so on. Then, when you got your degree, you could take all of the information you learned and put together a specific battle plan to suit your needs.

    It's kind of like that in real life. It is doubtful that any $37, $57, or $97 ebook will make you rich. Don't get me wrong, there are some very good programs out there--and some will definitely help you. But I think that to some degree, you have to learn at least a little bit about a lot of things to bring your plan together. That can be frustrating, because I know people don't like to keep spending money on things.

    But the good news is that there are some very knowledgeable people on this forum with expertise in all of these areas. Just as in anything else, it's about getting knowledge and then EXECUTION!

    I wouldn't give up--no, not at all even though it can be frustrating at first. Even the 20k-a-month gurus started where you did. And a lot of them made some huge mistakes along the way! Hang in there--it will come. My Best--Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi BethSuzi,

      I also understand your frustration and that of the others who feel the same as you. But there are some things for you to take note of - EG - you are all agreeing and saying the same things.

      Thing is. The whole point is the the marketers do their job so well that the newbie in a way has had the wool pulled over their eyes. They have been told that money is easy to make by all those fantastic marketers so how can you blame them for believing it?
      So the newbie doesn't even know where to start cos they think they are doing it wrong when they are not seeing earnings right away.
      Someone else mentioned that to them it's about getting the lifestyle - in my opinion, it is. Do you need £25m or £50m? Exactly.

      And it's also about mindset. While you are all explaining that marketers are duping you and pulling the wool over your eyes, you are insinuating that this is something new. It's not. It happens offline, online and everywhere else - it's human nature.

      Once you grasp that, by taking what you have observed about persuasion online, and applying it back to your old life in terms of - government, media, business, friends, lovers etc you are then starting to develop the right mindset to succeed. You become (gasp) cynical and untrusting towards a large proportion of the world (IE anyone who would like your money). And conveniently, instead of it making you throw your hands up in the air, you learn from it.

      I don't mean that you automatically become untrustworthy yourself, I mean that you see the big picture, you see the world as it really is.

      And although it can be a little distressing at first, the end result is that it's a lot easier to find the answer to your IM problems which is -

      You don't need to buy these products, you don't need anyone else to teach you anything.

      You already have the two things that you need to educate yourself in online business -

      a) a brain

      b) an internet connection

      It's extremely difficult to buy your way to success. Yet everyone expects to be able to do so.

      Football teams get bought by billionaire owners and then buy most of the top players yet they still don't succeed. Why? Because there are other things that are required. And by buying the top players, it creates more problems - the egotistical overpaid superstars don't bond well as a team. So they don't win.

      They need to get the players to bond, and then as a group, use their brains and educate themselves in how that unique group of individuals can work together and succeed. A group of talented individuals is way different to group of talented individuals working together as one.

      Yet so many believe that they just spend the money and do nothing else and it will all fall into place.

      Same thing for all of you people in this thread who are finding it hard. If it wasn't a painful, challenging process, how much would there be to gain from it? If it was easy, everyone would be successful (which is logistically impossible).

      You are individuals - all different. How can anyone sell you a blueprint that requires no initiative from you when you are all different? They CAN'T!

      The biggest part of the task ahead is in your hands. Win the battle with yourself and you have the best chance of winning the game. Hardly anyone else can help you with this.

      Win the battle with yourself though, and from then onwards almost anyone else in the world can be a useful partner for you on your way to success.

      Fail to win the battle with yourself, and you will always be working against yourself.

      Most people have received conditioning in the real world that makes it hard for them to see the big picture once they become self employed. Therefore, spend all of your time at the start learning about this conditioning, identifying it in yourself and removing it from your psyche.

      It's that conditioning and the mindset that goes with it that makes you return every time and get suckered by salespages.

      Remove it, and you won't.

      There's your answer. I hope it helps.
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      • Profile picture of the author zulfnore
        Reality check!

        Any qualified business consultant and your bank manager will tell you this:
        For the first 6 to 12 months "Don't expect to break even" You'll be paying out more than you have coming in.

        12 to 18 months - It's when you start hitting the break even point, give or take!

        18 to 24 months - Yay! you start seeing profit coming in

        24 months onwards - If you have made it this far, congrats! You are on your way to business riches. Provided you stick to the "Plan".

        This applies to any business - online or offline. Don't be deluded by the false "Guru" hyped up claims! They are just after your money and thats how they make their millions (6 Figure incomes as they like to call it).

        There is no such thing as "Over night success" "Magic Pill" or "The Top Secret "secret" of all secrets".

        *Sidebar* - lol In the beggining I once bought 3 products (e-books) from 3 separate "Gurus" all claiming to hold the so called "secret". Apart from the affiliate links and ads in the book, the content was all the same but for the author names and a few words here and there added in. A few months later I found the same product being offered on PLR basis, had I taken it today I too would be a "Guru" :p
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      Originally Posted by ExRat View Post


      The biggest part of the task ahead is in your hands. Win the battle with yourself and you have the best chance of winning the game...
      Oh so very true Roger. Well said.


      Originally Posted by zulfnore View Post

      Reality check!

      Any qualified business consultant and your bank manager will tell you this:
      For the first 6 to 12 months "Don't expect to break even" You'll be paying out more than you have coming in.

      12 to 18 months - It's when you start hitting the break even point, give or take!

      18 to 24 months - Yay! you start seeing profit coming in

      24 months onwards - If you have made it this far, congrats! You are on your way to business riches. Provided you stick to the "Plan".

      This applies to any business - online or offline. Don't be deluded by the false "Guru" hyped up claims! They are just after your money and thats how they make their millions (6 Figure incomes as they like to call it).

      There is no such thing as "Over night success" "Magic Pill" or "The Top Secret "secret" of all secrets".

      Whilst I understand where you are coming from, PLEASE don't fall into a self-limiting mindset such as this.

      Who said it needs to take so long to become profitable. Bullsh*t.

      Yes it can and usually does take a long time. BUT it doesn't have too!!!


      Originally Posted by bethsuzi View Post

      Lots of people starting out in IM are under the illusion that they can make a lot of money overnight or in a week, or just quickly.

      Yes they do. But how often have people been told there is no such thing as a free lunch. But people keep on looking for one.

      Once you have the skills and experience under your belt (yes it can take time, especially if you get sidetracked or think you need to know everything) it is possible to have an idea and be making money from it online within a month. Sometimes days.

      I only say this now that I look back on my own progress.

      The simplicity is that people buy stuff (physical, service, informational etc).

      You have to decide what stuff you able or willing to sell.

      Find out where and how these people buy.

      Put your offer in front of them.

      Did they buy?
      Did they like it?
      Can you improve the offer/product?
      More testing.
      Decisions to be made etc.
      How to get more people to see the offer?
      More things to sell to them?

      etc. etc. etc.

      Too many people get caught up in needing to know how a computer works, how the internet works, how to do html, css, wordpress, autoresponders, design, sales copy, bla bla bla...

      Yes, some of these skills are necessary, but usually only at a rudimentary level. Just good enough to get the job done.

      Also, too many people expect their first email or first offer to allow them to retire. Step by step, steady progress is the name of the game.

      Get some success and then figure out how you can scale it up.

      Imagine a 1,000 acre lake (that's quite big).

      There are lots of little tiny fish pretty much all over.

      But there are a number of large shoals of decent sized fish happily swimming around in certain areas.

      Don't just turn up, throw your line in the lake, catch nothing. Go home and say the lake was crap!

      Get some of the locals to tell you where are the best spots to fish.

      Ask them what some of the best baits are.

      If possible see some of the locals fishing. Also, don't let some wise ass tell you to go and fish on the far bank where there are no fish.

      Really look. And keep on looking.

      Read the fishing reports. etc. etc.

      Look for evidence of fish captures in real photo's etc.

      Find out the best times to fish.

      Give it a go.

      Did you catch?

      What do I need to change next time?

      Eventually you will get the knowledge to know where the fish are most likely to be and what they are feeding on etc.

      Don't forget, there are also shortcuts. If you have the money (ppc) you can hire a large boat and a fish finder and more quickly find the fish.


      Don't forget too, there are also many wrong turns.

      I remember fishing a large lake that looked perfect whilst on my holidays in Sri Lanka many years ago. I never did my research or even ask the locals. In fact many of them seemed to snigger at me the dumb holiday maker.

      I only realised my mistake after a few hours when a man and his dog started walking in front of me about 50 yards out in the water.

      My lake turned out to be a flooded field!!!

      So ask the locals.

      Another wrong turn, is to to spend $1,997 on the latest and greatest fishing rod which is "guaranteed" to catch you fish. All you do is sit in your car and your fishing rod even casts itself.

      Hope this helps.

      Sam
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  • Profile picture of the author khairulazan
    Everything has process.
    We learn to walk by falling down many times.
    If we want to succeed we have to go through the process.
    And the most important is we have to learn to enjoy the process.
    Many people fail because they do not enjoy the process, the got bored and frustrated.
    For me, what I always say in my mind is enjoy the process, fail is a part of learning and winning.
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