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False. That statement shifts the responsibility away from the individual and places it on "the information"

Moreover, it fails to explain why the 3% succeed while the other 97% fail.

That's a biggie right there. You gotta be ready. I find that so many people are seemingly taking so much action but in reality their mindset is broke and they don't really believe.

When you're mentally ready to start making real money, you naturally begin to gravitate towards information that will lead you in the right direction.

I know that may sound a little silly to some - and it certainly may not happen instantly - but when you have an extreme sense of urgency and you're willing to back it up with persistence, somehow the best and most proven business models will begin to find you

OK Steven, I agree with you. Let's take "rehashed" out of the statement and stick to most (not all) of the information being false or misleading.

Ok, I have to go now and I'm done asking everyone questions individually.

Here's a more general one, based directly on my statement.

If you are against my statement:

You are saying that you believe more than 3% of ALL the information/products/services you have seen, can individually guide people towards a succesful online business?

Do you honestly believe that?

If you don't, then you're agreeing with my statement.

Daniel, yes I know there is more than 3% of information out there that is as good or better than mine.

It comes back to the assumption on every single internet marketing product/information out there. What is out there, and what I have seen is totally different. I can make a statement based on the products I have seen, but I also know that what I have seen is only a fraction of what is available.

Take clickbank as an example, are you telling me that you have read 100% of the products there to know that 97% are false?

Let's take out the people you know who are good, and remain with the facts of your assumption for a moment.

Have you read or seen every single product on IM because if you have then you have done more than most people. I don't have time to read every single product on Clickbank to know how good/bad/indifferent it is.

Do you see the problem?

The problem is you are basing this assumption on your limited knowledge. Now, you will find Steven, Jeremy, Becky, myself all have limited knowledge. None of us (they can correct me if I'm wrong) have read and know every single product out there.

People buy outside the WF, people release good products outside the WF.

I know 1 person who has sold over a million copies of his books and he is never spoken of here. He isn't on the warrior forum, and he does his coaching and marketing in other place. I know another person who is very successful with his coaching program, and again he isn't on the WF.

You have a coaching program and you say it is the world's #1
internet business coaching program. Now that has to be a misleading statement, I know dozens of very successful programs that have run for many years.

I read your sales page which says the same as you are saying here, how do I know your information isn't any different to the other information you are talking about. Again this isn't a personal attack, just a logical statement.

The problem is as I see it, is a lack of understanding about humman nature, how business really works, and how people fail all the time.

The thing is you are making assumptions which are based on assumptions not facts.

The reality is that within that 97% of people who fail will be people who have used your products, mine, Paul Myers, Steven, John Taylor, Jeremy, Becky and a whole heap of good product providers and coaches. Why have they failed? Is it because the product was bad or was it something with the person?

Sorry, having worked coaching people for more years than you can imagine, I think you have taken out of the statement the people buying the product and what they have done with it.

Finally, someone who is beginning to grasp my point.

Yes of course, there are great products out there that only fill part of the puzzle.

But doesn't that make them already misleading or incomplete?

When people are told: "You will make $$$$$ using this method", they are led to believe that using this one single method will make them $$$$$ and that they don't need anything else.

Ergo, that is misleading by itself. My statement is quite broad, you guys narrowed it down for some reason.

But essentially, only those products and/or services which don't hold anything back and spill out the entire succesful business model are not misleading.

And I'm sure that there's not more than 3% of those, when placed under the mental list of all the products, services, information etc... that you have seen.

Therefore my statement would be correct.

Just some food for thought guys and gals.

- Dan

P.S: Bev, I'm not talking about the WF alone at all, that was just an example. I'm talking about the wider spectrum of the entire industry.

And yes, my book is not my business model, I never said it was.

That's not it Jeremy, as Steven has already said, if it's rehashed but it works, then why complain.

I still haven't figured out how to get my point across, it's all in my head, I just don't seem to be able to place it in words.

Anyway, it's more along the lines of:

Very few products/services (less than 3%) can teach someone how to build a succesful online business in its entirety.

That being the reason for why 97% of the people fail. They assume one method alone is enough, so they take massive action on it and when they don't see the expected or promised results, they give up.

But is there really a correlation?

You clearly say above that the REASON that 97% of people fail because 97% percent of the make money products aren't good or aren't complete.

But - if that were true, it would mean if you gathered up 200 new wannabe marketers and gave them each one of the products in the "top 3%" of products.....all 200 would succeed.

If you gave those same 200 people one of the 97% of "incomplete" products, all would fail.

It doesn't work that way because the human element is a bigger part of IM than any product sold.

I understand the point you are expressing and can see how you might have thought of it - but I think it's incorrect.

kay

Daniel, I still disagree with you, let me explain why.

Yes there is a lot of crap products, but that isn't the only reason people fail.

The problem with your statements, is you are not stating facts, you are taking a fact and trying to use your idea to prove a point which you can't do here.

A single method can be a business model if that is what the person wants to do.

I read one book on affiliate marketing, written by Ros Gardener, and had coaching from Ros as well. That covered everything/enough to give a person a business online if affiliate marketing is what they want to do. This is one route we take but that is our decision not to make it a major part of our business.

You are assuming again what is and isn't a business model, and that is dangerous to put all online businesses into a box.

Why can't one idea work for someone who wants to run an online business? I think you are confusing something. I know one company that started doing affiliate marketing from their bedroom. 8 years later they employ 120 people and have one of the biggest affiliate marketing stores online, and hardly any of their products come from clickbank.

You made a statement that the reason all these 97% fail is because of the crappy products.

I asked some questions, which you have ignored.

If you are stating a fact you should be able to prove it and back up your facts.

How many failed online businesses have you spoken to? That is important, where did you get your facts from?

How many of those thousands upon thousands of products have you read to know they are crap or incomplete?

The truth is that some people will fail because of the reasons you gave, but your logic is seriously flawed if you think that is a major problem especially when you can't give the statistics to back it up.

One product will never fit all, regardless of whether it is online or offline.

You really should learn what a business really means, and then come back with some hard facts.