Article Syndication: Blogs not accepting articles from my blog

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Nearly every singe site (15+) in my niche is refusing to take my articles which have been already posted on my blog. Now this isn't a poor excuse to say no without hurting my feelings, as most have said that they will post my writing, just as long as it is fresh (not been posted anywhere else).

Is this just a common misinterpretation of duplicate content? Because I was under the impression that it isn't duplicate content if they link back to the source (e.g. resource box).

Someone please enlighten me.
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  • Profile picture of the author curly sue
    If you have many pages that are similar, consider expanding each page or consolidating the pages into one. Also avoid duplicates try spinning articles and re-writing.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      No...it's got nothing to do with 'duplicate content', it's just that many blog owners are wanting 'unique content' submitted for posting.,

      Blog owners who have a blog that has a high standing (higher PR or Alexa ranks) in your niche can really dictate to you what type of content they will accept.

      If one of their conditions is they will only accept 'unique content' from you (content that is not posted anywhere else on the internet) then you have to decide if doing that is worth the effort for you.

      You could try to mount an argument to the blog owner that the only other place your content will be posted is on your own site.

      Some blog owners may see that as fair, others may still demand you provide them with 'unique' content for them only.

      Only you can decide whether it's worth the time, effort and money, to produce unique content for 15 blogs.

      Most would say it's not, and move on to find other content syndication partners.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
      Originally Posted by curly sue View Post

      If you have many pages that are similar, consider expanding each page or consolidating the pages into one. Also avoid duplicates try spinning articles and re-writing.
      I've only read 2 threads so far today and in both I've seen replies from yourself that are either nonsensical or / and totally wrong.

      To the OP, in one of my niches I have problems with blog owners who don't get it either and come out with crazy things about why you can't post content already posted elsewhere, some of these are by people who claim to be professional SEO's and IM'ers too. :rolleyes:

      One guy has a list of conditions so big that he expects you to fulfil to get a post on his blog that it's just ludicrous.

      I can write original content quite easily and quickly so for some blogs I do but depends if the traffic you receive in return is worth the time and effort or not. Only one way to find out...

      On a brighter note, if you stay away from the "IM" and "MMO" niches in which, from this perspective, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", it isn't much of an issue at all
      Don't be so sure. In some niches I'm in that are far away from the IM type niches there are people who still believe many of the things discussed in this thread. They hear it somewhere and just take it all at face value.
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      • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
        Pull up a google search right now for Oklahoma City Tornado. In the first 4 pages, on my search, there is no less than 4 identical (word for word) stories of the incident all syndicated (key word) from Reuters. None of the websites in question were Reuters themselves.

        Yet we discuss article syndication as a game where only one piece of the content can rank at all. A game where "Duplicate Content" will doom your copy to obscurity. Yet it is the exact game that news agencies play EVERY SINGLE DAY to get us our coverage, and yet still have the potential to rank high... or not.

        Of course, that leaves less competition for those who know the real truth and not some myths.
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  • Profile picture of the author trade4861
    I can't believe that people still think syndication is accepted. If someone likes what they read they'll just link to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      Originally Posted by trade4861 View Post

      I can't believe that people still think syndication is accepted. If someone likes what they read they'll just link to it.
      It's more than just accepted, IF you do it the right way....

      What you're describing is 'passive' Article Syndication (or 'article directory syndication', as it should be called).

      That was the process where you'd write dozens of articles, and then submit them to the major articles directory sites across the internet (Ezine articles...Go Articles etc, etc,) then you have to sit back and wait...and you wait...and you wait...and you wait.... in the vain hope a webmaster, who owns a high ranking site in your niche, will find your articles amongst the millions of other articles out there, read it, and then decide to post it in the hope that you would generate some traffic and backlinks to your sites.

      There were people submitting hundreds of what were poor quality articles (and even poorer quality spun articles) per month trying to maximize, and 'game' the system) to get traffic and backlinks.

      But, since Google identified that so much of the content on some of the article directory sites was just garbage, they undertook a big purge of all the article directory sites. This has had a major negative impact on their authority and their ranking in the SERPS have plummeted fairly dramatically.

      The true ACTIVE 'content syndication' process is poles apart from that passive 'article directory syndication' model of 2000 -2011
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Website owners won't be interested in turning their assets into content farms.

    Rethink your strategy, and approach it as guest blogging.

    Send original work, not something that's been published all over the place.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      Website owners won't be interested in turning their assets into content farms.

      Rethink your strategy, and approach it as guest blogging.

      Send original work, not something that's been published all over the place.
      yes, Johnny great tip there!

      OP....do not just look to blog. They are good, but you should know I look for syndication everywhere each day, local newspapers, trade journals, magazines, i go to where I know other people or small select group of people are not looking, and this works well.

      There is not just online you know.
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  • Assuming that those blogs didn't explicitly mention in their guest posting guidelines that they only accept exclusive content (content that has not been published anywhere), these could be some of the main reasons why they're rejecting your content syndication partnership offers:

    • An obvious reason is that the content you're offering for syndication isn't content they'd want to syndicate on their blogs because it isn't in the format or doesn't provide information that they expect from content that they'd be interested in syndicating on their blogs;

    • Many blog owners in the IM/MMO niche (relevant if you're in the IM/MMO niche) believe that syndicating content could most likely hurt the Google SERPs of their pages;

    • Most blog owners, in several niches, prefer to post analytical commentaries about relevant content that's already posted on other authority sites, and just link to those content materials; and

    • A lot of blog owners, in many niches, if ever they're interested in syndicating content that's already published elsewhere, prefer to syndicate content from reputable authors and sources in their relevant niches, such as popular niche experts, credible websites with a good following, prominent companies and news groups among other reputable sources, or in rare occasions when the content offered for syndication (by authors and organizations that don't belong to any of these groups) provides relevant, mind-blowing information or Earth-shattering news that can't be found elsewhere...

    This means:

    1. You could try sending your content syndication offers to blog owners who explicitly state in their guest posting guidelines that they accept content already published elsewhere;

    2. You could instead offer analytical commentaries about the most recent, relevant and popular posts in their blogs, and directly relate it to your specific content that's published on your site, so you can link to it from your analytical commentaries; or

    3. If you aren't a popular niche expert yet, or if your website has yet to achieve good credible standing in your target markets and is yet to have a good following, or if you aren't associated with a prominent company or news group among other reputable sources in relevant industries, then the content you should offer must provide relevant Earth-shattering news or mind-blowing information that has yet to be published anywhere...
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    Alexa Smith, where are you? lol.

    I also agree with what the other Warriors have mentioned. People want unique content because Google favors unique content. In most cases, investing your time in writing a well researched unique article for a high ranking website with a link back to your website is worth it.

    A. It will bring in passive traffic.

    B. It will increase your website's search engine ranking.

    So in my opinion you should put a lot of effort into creating unique articles for high ranking websites even if you can't upload the articles to your own website.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    If the blog you have contacted has lots of traffic coming to that blog, it will be worth it to send one piece of unique content to them as you might get huge number of subscribers and sales. Most of the blog owner do prefer unique content which has not been published before.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

    Is this just a common misinterpretation of duplicate content?
    Nearly always, yes.

    Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

    I was under the impression that it isn't duplicate content if they link back to the source (e.g. resource box).
    It isn't duplicate content whether they link back to the source or not.

    Whether or not something is duplicate content has nothing to do with what it links to.

    Duplicate content (according to Google) is multiple copies of the same file within one domain.

    As long as they haven't already published it, then it isn't duplicate content.

    However, there are some blog-owners who don't appreciate this. In many niches, it isn't a problem at all. In anything to do with "internet marketing" or "making money online", it can be a problem simply because "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and those therefore tend to be the webmasters who are quite likely to have heard many of the nonsensical myths about duplicate content, and to have got hold of completely the wrong end of the stick.

    Among the things you can try to do are ...

    (i) Try to educate them by showing them what Google says so clearly, unamgiguously and repeatedly about duplicate content, or even just things like this little article (very approachable and readable!): Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing Blog

    (ii) Try to identify only blog-owners who aren't toiling under that misapprehension, by - for example - looking for high-quality articles in your niche inside Ezine Articles and then using Google to find the sites to which they've been syndicated (this is a way of building up a list of bloggers who are already known to syndicate content)

    (iii) Submit to as many ezines as possible (you'll very rarely encounter the problem, that way, and the traffic quality tends to be even better)

    (iv) Ignore their reply, and just send them another, different article a couple of months later and see whether they accept and publish that one (you'd be surprised!!).

    This thread may possibly help? http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6575732

    (And if it helps at all, this is how I approach potential syndicators in the first instance: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7475055 ).
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      If an article on Blog A is also posted on Blog B then there are now two copies of the article. This is called a "duplicate." Duplicate and copy are synonyms.

      If Blog B links back to Blog A that does not change the fact a duplicate of the article exists.

      Blog owners will covet unique articles for two reasons.

      First, it may be more valuable to their readers than the same ole article they read somewhere else.

      Second, for SEO purposes unique content will rank better than duplicate content. In fact, duplicate content is likely to not rank at all.

      If Google sees multiple pages with the same content its algorithms will select the one it considers the best and show that.

      Google may show more than copy for some searches. Maybe not, and most probably not all copies.
      Understand the two issues ...

      SEO is a zero sum game. Only one page will be ranked number one. It is a fact duplicate content cannot equally rank.

      When content is the same copies may not show at all, as Google does not want to display the same article in all 10 slots on page one.

      Anyone saying there is no duplicate content "penalty" is not understanding the problem at all. The duplicate content may not be "penalized", but it is not shown. Hence, the effect is the same as a penalty.

      If the duplicate content is not shown in the search listings who cares if you call it a "penalty" of not?

      Ultimately, if you want a blog to host your article, giving you exposure to the blog's traffic and a link back to your website, you also need to ask what's in it for the blog owner? The value should be similar or exceed what you are receiving, and that often requires unique content. If the blog owner was not requesting unique content I would take a second look at their site to confirm its value.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        If an article on Blog A is also posted on Blog B then there are now two copies of the article. This is called a "duplicate."
        In everyday parlance, indeed - but not by Google, for the purposes of explaining to people what "duplicate content" is to their algorithms. Content duplicated across domains is "syndicated content", not "duplicate content", for that purpose. As they go to such great lengths to clarify on their blogs and websites, in videos, in interviews, at conferences, and so on.

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Duplicate and copy are synonyms.
        In common parlance, perhaps. Not to Google, and certainly not in their significance regarding SEO.

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        It is a fact duplicate content cannot equally rank.
        A syndicated copy can even outrank the original, under some circumstances.

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        When content is the same copies may not show at all, as Google does not want to display the same article in all 10 slots on page one.
        Yes, quite correct. That's Google's stated intention, and it's what happens about 85-90% of the time (maybe even a little more, these days).

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Anyone saying there is no duplicate content "penalty" is not understanding the problem at all. The duplicate content may not be "penalized", but it is not shown. Hence, the effect is the same as a penalty.
        That isn't a problem if you own the one indexed in the main index. This is why article marketers always publish their article on their own site first and have it indexed there before submitting it anywhere else. Not that doing this, of course, will necessarily guarantee that theirs will always be "the one that ranks", but to gain the cumulative benefit of the initial indexations and to produce that outcome over the long term.

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        If the duplicate content is not shown in the search listings who cares if you call it a "penalty" of not?
        Article marketing has so little to do with SEO, anyway, that it's a fairly academic question (as I think you're rightly implying).

        People who syndicate articles (directly from authors, from Ezine Articles, from Reuters, from Associated Press, or from anywhere else) are not doing for SEO benefits. They're doing so because it's content they want to share with their subscribers/readers/visitors. (That's why most don't care whether or not it's previously been published, just like The Times newspaper doesn't, when it wants to publish an article).

        The problem arises because some Webmasters mistakenly imagine that their sites will, somehow, be "penalized" for syndicating it.

        And that arises because they don't distinguish - as Google and all professional article marketers do - between "duplicate content" and "syndicated content".

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Ultimately, if you want a blog to host your article, giving you exposure to the blog's traffic and a link back to your website, you also need to ask what's in it for the blog owner? The value should be similar or exceed what you are receiving
        Absolutely.

        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        and that often requires unique content.
        Not so at all: in all my experience of doing this for a living, it would rarely require unique content.

        The world's leading news and sports websites who syndicate content from Reuters don't care a damn that it isn't "unique content". The only people who care about that are those Webmasters ill-informed enough mistakenly to imagine that Google will somehow "penalize" them for re-publishing content that's previously been published online. It's utter nonsense, of course, but some do still believe it.

        On a brighter note, if you stay away from the "IM" and "MMO" niches in which, from this perspective, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", it isn't much of an issue at all. (And I suspect - though without experience of them - that those niches aren't that great for article marketing, anyway, to be honest.)
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          On a brighter note, if you stay away from the "IM" and "MMO" niches in which, from this perspective, "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing", it isn't much of an issue at all. (And I suspect - though without experience of them - that those niches aren't that great for article marketing, anyway, to be honest.)
          Maybe. A state bar asked me for permission to use an article, but then it came with so many conditions and ultimately for it to be redone so it was unique, I decided they didn't need my article.

          There is one niche where I have dozens of different websites, and it has turned out one of the most important ranking factors has been eliminating "duplicate content" between sites.

          Look at my own sites, tracking rankings and every change that is made so I can see how changes affect rankings, there is no doubt in my mind duplicate content across domains is a major SEO problem.

          Although years ago there was a quote on a Google page about duplicate content only involving "one domain", that (1) is old, (2) was before Panda, and (3) assumes one can rely on anything published by Google.

          As SEOMoz has said

          Contrary to what some people believe, cross-domain duplicates can be a problem even for legitimate, syndicated content.
          Today, Google says "duplicate content" is an issue across domains:

          Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains...
          Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

          Then Google says:

          However, in some cases, content is deliberately duplicated across domains in an attempt to manipulate search engine rankings or win more traffic. Deceptive practices like this can result in a poor user experience, when a visitor sees substantially the same content repeated within a set of search results.
          If Google's algorithm thinks the multiple copies of the article are an attempt to "win more traffic" then

          the ranking of the site may suffer, or the site might be removed entirely from the Google index, in which case it will no longer appear in search results.
          Reading that, it doesn't matter if Google prefaced the quote by saying "in rare cases" where duplicate content is used to manipulate rankings ... who wants to risk their website (ie livelihood and food on the table) because some computer decided the syndicated article was an improper attempt to win more traffic in the search results?

          Apparently, not the 15 webmasters who turned down the OP.

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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    Huffington Post does pretty well with syndicated content.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrgoe
    Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

    Nearly every singe site (15+) in my niche is refusing to take my articles which have been already posted on my blog. Now this isn't a poor excuse to say no without hurting my feelings, as most have said that they will post my writing, just as long as it is fresh (not been posted anywhere else).

    Is this just a common misinterpretation of duplicate content? Because I was under the impression that it isn't duplicate content if they link back to the source (e.g. resource box).

    Someone please enlighten me.
    For guest posting use new, fresh articles and the blot owner will link to your website using as anchor the keyword you desire. You do need to have new articles for them. Google doesn't really give value to full articles with link to source anywhere but the news niches. Because then everybody will just start to duplicate content, without making anything new..
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Although I agree with kindsvater, what people are forgetting is that many (most?) webmasters want their sites to stand out from others in their niche by providing content not found elsewhere. Accepting articles that have already been published elsewhere doesn't accomplish this.

    I think the quote below makes Google's position pretty clear, despite what Alexa has posted:

    Duplicate content
    Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar. Mostly, this is not deceptive in origin. Examples of non-malicious duplicate content could include:
    Source: Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    There are two types of bloggers, who might publish someone else's content:

    1. Those who publish content to please Google;
    2. Those who publish content to please their readers.

    The first will only publish original, not-published-elsewhere, content.

    The second will decide to publish or not to publish based on the quality of the content and how well the content will match the needs of their readers.

    If you want to syndicate your content online, then you must focus on the second type and stop wasting your time trying to win the attention of the first.



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    • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      There are two types of bloggers, who might publish someone else's content:

      1. Those who publish content to please Google;
      2. Those who publish content to please their readers.
      If you focus on #2, then #1 tends to happen naturally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

    Is this just a common misinterpretation of duplicate content? Because I was under the impression that it isn't duplicate content if they link back to the source (e.g. resource box).
    You are correct. The proper name for this is "content syndication", not duplicate content.

    "Duplicate content" only refers to copies of the same content located on a single domain name. For instance, if I made 1000 pages that all contained the same article "How to lose weight" and put them all on my single domain name website, Google would identify them as duplicate content and penalize the rankings of 999 of them, allowing only the 1 most authentic copy of it to rank properly.

    A lot of people hear "duplicate content" and think that it means syndicated content (sharing copies of content to other websites), which it does not.

    The only concern anyone needs to have about syndicated content is that it often won't rank well, since it is just a copy of other existing content, and Google doesn't like to rank copies of content in the SERP's very highly. In most cases, if your syndicated content has links pointing back to the original copy of it, then the only copy that will really rank well is the original one with all the link juice.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

      "Duplicate content" only refers to copies of the same content located on a single domain name.
      Not true. Maybe it WAS in 2007 but not today.

      From Google:

      Duplicate content

      Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar. Mostly, this is not deceptive in origin. Examples of non-malicious duplicate content could include....

      Why do people keep parroting that duplicate content does not equal "syndicated content" and that it only applies to one domain? Whether one wants to play semantics or not, "syndicated" content is the same as "duplicate" content. It just is.

      I know that it doesn't fit the argument put forth by some but when you syndicate content, you are putting the same (or duplicate) content on multiple sites (see Duplicate Content in bold above).

      Now, if you want to debate how Google handles the duplicate content, that's a different argument.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        As explained in this thread, with endless links and references in posts #10, #12 and #15 above, including links to what Google themselves go to such great lengths to clarify on this subject, content "duplicated across domains" is not duplicate content, for this purpose. It's a simple, straightforward, factual issue.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          As explained in this thread, with endless links and references in posts #12 and #15 above, including links to what Google themselves go to such great lengths to clarify on this subject, content "duplicated across domains" is not duplicate content, for this purpose. It's a simple, straightforward, factual issue.
          You can keep saying that but the facts don't support it. It's pretty clear Alexa:

          First sentence (FROM GOOGLE):

          Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar.
          Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

          You can keep referring to articles from 2007 but the facts as provide by Google itself indicate otherwise. I'm not sure how you are interpreting the quote above but it's pretty cut and dried ifyou ask me. How else is one supposed to interpret that quote???
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

            How else is one supposed to interpret that quote???
            • Maybe all the article syndicators in the world (and in this forum) are collectively hallucinating;
            • Maybe all those leading news and sports websites have been bribing Google not to notice that most of their content's syndicated from Reuters and Associated Press;
            • Maybe all the Google people quoted above in the links in posts #10, #12 and #15 (yes, I linked to a couple of older articles as well: so many of us have been patiently explaining exactly the same things so consistently here, for so many years, that a few of our links have now aged a little in the process) were confabulating the whole thing;
            • Maybe the panel of experts at those Google conferences were all collectively deluded when they said that Google differentiates between syndicated content and duplicate content;
            • Maybe Matt Cutts and other Google staff have been lying about it for all these years.
            • Maybe "content syndication" is all a myth after all, and all the people who've built their businesses along these lines and these lines and these lines misunderstood the whole thing, after all;
            • And maybe there's exactly as much logic, reason and common sense in your perspective as there is in the "fluffy rabbits living on Mars with no water and no oxygen" thread in the Off Topic folder. After all, there are people who believe that, as well.
            Have it your way, Tom, by all means, if it means so much to you. Knock yourself out.
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              Have it your way, Tom, by all means, if it means so much to you. Knock yourself out.
              It doesn't mean anything to me, personally. I don't utilize syndication or article marketing/publication. However, it may be important to others so it's important that the correct facts are out there.

              Yelling from the rooftops that "duplicate content is not duplicate content when spread across multiple domains" when Google has clearly said that's exactly what duplicate content is only serves to confuse/injure people who take that information to heart.

              I suppose we can agree to disagree.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                I don't utilize syndication or article marketing/publication.
                "We wouldn't have guessed."

                Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                However, it may be important to others so it's important that the correct facts are out there.
                That's always been my motivation for posting on this subject, Tom.

                I have no commercial interests involved at all. No products with anything to do with internet marketing at all - none as a vendor and none as an affiliate. I stay well away from this "niche". I've never done a WSO, or anything like that at all. I've never had, or offered or promoted any kind of "service" here at all.

                When I started trying to become an internet marketer in 2008, I read all the "prevailing opinions" in this forum and elsewhere, about "duplicate content", which grotesquely misinformed me, and partly as result I earned nothing at all for about 4 months, as indeed still happens to so many people today who don't have access to the correct facts. That's why I post.

                Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

                I suppose we can agree to disagree.
                I'm happy with that. We've both stated our perspectives a couple of times, and people can at least see that there's disagreement, and they can decide by whom they want to be guided. And ultimately, forum users seeking information have to do that and take their own responsibility for it, anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
        Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

        Now, if you want to debate how Google handles the duplicate content, that's a different argument.
        That's the only thing that matters in the entire debate anyways.
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        • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
          Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

          That's the only thing that matters in the entire debate anyways.
          No it's not.
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          • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
            So here is a link to a "current" article. Considering it is the number 1 ranked item for "Duplicate content" I would think it is relevant.

            Duplicate content - Webmaster Tools Help

            That article isn't from 2007, and pretty much says the same things.. imagine that.

            Of course, some of you are going to cite this in defense of not syndicating your content:

            However, in some cases, content is deliberately duplicated across domains in an attempt to manipulate search engine rankings or win more traffic. Deceptive practices like this can result in a poor user experience, when a visitor sees substantially the same content repeated within a set of search results.
            Of course they miss the whole wording BEFORE those words that state that they are looking for duplicates on the SAME SITE.

            Now later on in the same article I bring you this:

            Syndicate carefully: If you syndicate your content on other sites, Google will always show the version we think is most appropriate for users in each given search, which may or may not be the version you'd prefer. However, it is helpful to ensure that each site on which your content is syndicated includes a link back to your original article. You can also ask those who use your syndicated material to use the noindex meta tag to prevent search engines from indexing their version of the content.
            So, once again, not an issue to syndicate content. They just warn that the copy that you want to rank may not be the one that does. And from the point of view from one such person, I am more than happy for it to rank well on one of my partner's websites. The result I am looking for is still alive and well.
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by Doug Wakefield View Post

              So, once again, not an issue to syndicate content.
              I don't think anyone is saying not to syndicate. The OP didn't understand why webmasters wouldn't take content that's not original. As I mentioned previously, many webmasters prefer to offer content that can't be found elsewhere (rightly or wrongly).

              In the course of discussion, some members have indicated that "syndicated" content on multiple sites does not equal "duplicate" content. However, the facts indicate that this is the case (very first sentence in the article you quoted):

              Duplicate content generally refers to substantive blocks of content within or across domains that either completely match other content or are appreciably similar.
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  • Profile picture of the author wellm97
    I am 100% agree with Alexa Smith about article Syndication
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    If you are just sending your own articles without editing them at all they won't accept because the whole point of a guest post is to get "fresh content" to help with SEO. What I would recommend to do is curate your own article so give an opiinion or some expanded info on what you wrote about and then quote part of your original article. Google loves curation and not only will your posts be accepted but it will position your site as more of an authority or news medium.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    • Maybe I don't give a this on Google's traffic anyway, since there are other, more reliable traffic-generation techniques. :rolleyes:

    Now seriously: this all Google thing is getting out of proportions. As for me, I will always avoid SEOing, regardless of the search engine used, because as Paul (Myers) said it: "the game is rigged" aka. one will always be at the mercy of them. Sure, you can adapt every time they roll out a new update, and it will probably work out okay for some people. But just the thought of depending so much (because hey, we all depend to some extent on someone) on Google or any other search engine doesn't make me feel comfortable. Not one bit.

    Edit: I too once felt the cold, unforgiving Google blade slashing through my rankings. I can still remember the warm, salty tears rolling down on my face as I was witnessing the end of an AdSense empire. Just messing with you, I made a total of $100 which I had to split with my friend and use to pay hosting, and ended up with a cappuccino or something. :p
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Personally I would never accept a used article any more than I would use 'used toilet paper.'

    I can hardly blame people for wanting original content
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    As is often the case when this discussion surfaces, most miss the point. Article syndication primarily has one objective. That is to offer excellent content to readers. True syndicators (Yahoo, MSN, Huffington, and millions of others in all shapes, sizes and markets) have little or no regard at all as to how offering syndicated content affects their SE status.

    In the massive Internet content universe it's very unlikely a reader is going to stumble upon a piece he or she has already read. But even if that happens from time to time, so what.

    The fine points of what is or isn't duplicate content are irrelevant because proper syndication attracts readers that SEO would never touch. Syndicated material creates its own little content ecosystem independent of search engines but one that will still derive benefits from them by default. This seems to be the nugget that so many SEO enthusiasts consistently fail to grasp.
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

    Nearly every singe site (15+) in my niche is refusing to take my articles which have been already posted on my blog. Now this isn't a poor excuse to say no without hurting my feelings, as most have said that they will post my writing, just as long as it is fresh (not been posted anywhere else).

    Is this just a common misinterpretation of duplicate content? Because I was under the impression that it isn't duplicate content if they link back to the source (e.g. resource box).

    Someone please enlighten me.
    To put this into perspective, bloggers seldom accept articles at first sight. It may take several attempts before such a publisher (or any publisher) will consider articles for syndication. Demands for "unique content" are unfounded for reasons explained by others in this thread, and is most often simply a ruse to discourage mass submissions of SEO-enhanced crap.

    If bloggers have indicated that they will post your writing, just continue to send new articles on a regular basis (perhaps every week) for their consideration. In addition, systematically search for new potential syndication partners. Your attempt at article marketing appears to be rather anemic; not only must you write marketable articles, but you must also "market" your articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    because the whole point of a guest post is to get "fresh content" to help with SEO.
    No it isn't.

    Guest posting has little to do with SEO for most people and everything to do with getting new content for your visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author PhilippaWrites
    Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

    Is this just a common misinterpretation of duplicate content? Because I was under the impression that it isn't duplicate content if they link back to the source (e.g. resource box).
    It might be this, although as Alexa explained the resource box isn't that relevant.

    Could it be that they just don't like your writing much? Or simply that they don't want to promote a competitor's blog in the same niche as them?
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  • Profile picture of the author sb06
    Wow... great read. I feel like I have a couple of unanswered questions I'm hoping someone can help me out with though.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this mean I can copy articles from article directories, and use them as blog posts on my blog, as long as I link back to whatever site the author discloses in their resource box? And if I do this, I won't be punished by google (because the content on my site is also on the article directory site).

    If this is all correct, I just got really excited I've been desperately looking for more ways to develop content for my site, and if I can simply copy others articles and link back to them I will gladly do so. I always thought that doing that was plagiarism and you couldn't use copy righted work, even if you DID link back to the source.

    Could I do this with any authority site or does this only apply to article directories?

    Thanks!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by sb06 View Post

      does this mean I can copy articles from article directories, and use them as blog posts on my blog, as long as I link back to whatever site the author discloses in their resource box?
      As long as you include the resource-box (and as long as you take the article within any other terms specified in the directory's terms of service).

      That's what an article directory is. That's why it exists. It's a directory of content freely available for re-publication (within its own terms of service, always).

      Originally Posted by sb06 View Post

      And if I do this, I won't be punished by google (because the content on my site is also on the article directory site).
      Yes, that's correct: you won't.

      Google says so loudly, clearly and repeatedly (and it's true).

      (You also won't, most of the time, get much/any SEO benefit from syndicating content, but as explained above by so many people, of course that isn't the reason for doing it anyway).

      Originally Posted by sb06 View Post

      I always thought that doing that was plagiarism and you couldn't use copy righted work, even if you DID link back to the source.
      That's true of most content on the internet.

      Article directories are the exception.

      The reason they're the exception is that authors who have put their articles into directories have done so in order to make them freely available for re-publication (in exchange for their link), within the article directory's terms of service. That's what article directories are there for.

      Originally Posted by sb06 View Post

      Could I do this with any authority site
      Certainly not! Only article directories, and any other sites that specify that that's allowed (there are very, very few of those, though).

      Always read the terms of service. No exceptions to that! (It's important, partly because of all the sites like "Street Articles" that look at first glance as if they might be article directories but actually aren't at all!).
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    You can't just take content from any site and use it (whether you link back or not). You need to look at the terms of service for whatever site you plan to copy from. You are typically limited to article directories that allow for this provided you meet certain conditions outlined in their TOS.

    You won't necessarily be penalized but your site's pages are not likely to rank very well (or at all).
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    We can debate forever what is "duplicate" to Google.

    But we do know one thing for sure, and that is Google's DUPLICATE CONTENT FILTER works across multiple domains and isn't limited to a single domain.

    Instead of pretending to understand what Google says, we should look at what Google does and stop playing word games. To contend that Google doesn't penalize duplicate content across domains without mentioning it does FILTER duplicate content is a disservice.

    The simple fact is, Google has a duplicate content filter and it works across multiple domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author carnal
    I think you should provide 100% unique articles, duplicated articles are really not good for SEO.

    I am not surprised at all that those bloggers refused the articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    BTW, if there's only 15 sites that you can syndicate your content to then maybe your niche is too small.

    There should be not only immediate sites to send posts to but sites in the wider niche too.
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  • Profile picture of the author GlenH
    Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

    Nearly every singe site (15+) in my niche is refusing to take my articles which have been already posted on my blog. Now this isn't a poor excuse to say no without hurting my feelings, as most have said that they will post my writing, just as long as it is fresh (not been posted anywhere else).

    Is this just a common misinterpretation of duplicate content? Because I was under the impression that it isn't duplicate content if they link back to the source (e.g. resource box).

    Someone please enlighten me.
    I don't know what your niche is, but if you can only find 15 sites in the first place that are receptive to receiving content from you, then you must be in some weird niche.

    Just as quick example, I easily found 50+ sites in the fairly obscure niche of 'bluegrass music' that will potentially take content from me
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  • Profile picture of the author mario23
    Many blog owners want fresh unique content on their sites. It is nothing against you at all.
    A lot of them run the content threw copyscape to see if it is duplicate content or have been used before on the world wide web.

    Something to keep in mind.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Doug Wakefield View Post

      So, once again, not an issue to syndicate content. They just warn that the copy that you want to rank may not be the one that does. And from the point of view from one such person, I am more than happy for it to rank well on one of my partner's websites. The result I am looking for is still alive and well.
      From where I sit, there are only a few possible outcomes from syndicating an article.

      > When someone does a search, the copy on my site comes up and has a chance to earn a click.

      > When someone does a search, the copy syndicated on someone else's site comes up and has a chance to earn a click. From that click, the article has a chance to earn a click to my chosen landing page.

      > When someone follows a link on the republisher's site and my article comes up, it has a chance to earn a click to my chosen landing page.

      > If no one does the right search, or follows the right link, I still have a piece of relative content linking from a related site back to my chosen landing page.

      > The more of these articles I have, both on my own site and on the sites of republishers, the more chances I have to earn those clicks to my chosen landing page.

      Remind me again... What's the downside?
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