When Will The "Rehash" Syndrome Stop?

Young Financier

11 years ago

Yep, you ARE going to receive heat because you've exposed the business model of the vast majority of IM'ers.

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travlinguy

11 years ago

Better guidelines? By what standards?

You know, the answer to this is simple. Don't buy WSOs. They are what they are. Besides, the majority of them have money back guarantees so I DO NOT see why so many people spend valuable energy complaining about them.

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mojojuju

11 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

Besides, the majority of them have money back guarantees so I DO NOT see why so many people spend valuable energy complaining about them.

Right, but there's the point that OP mentions - some sellers don't honor their own refund policy. They'll offer a MBG if that's what it takes to get the sale, but when the refund requests come in, the seller has second thoughts. And that's bad.

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Also I am getting run around from a seller who pm"ed me and said "refund sent". Well, still have not seen it. Now comes the hassle of a paypal dispute. The amount is small, but I am not going to give someone my cash for a garbage product.

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tpw

11 years ago

Don't buy flaky products from people whose opinions you don't trust.

The truth is that there is certainly some crap out there, but there is also gold in them thar hills.

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Paul Myers

11 years ago

Finally, a realistic proposition. All we have to do is make sure you don't buy anything that covers something you already knew. Why didn't we think of that?

Ya know what I'd like to understand? Why people posting from entirely different continents (or island nations) claim to be located in the US. But hey... I'm weird like that.

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clickfund

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Finally, a realistic proposition. All we have to do is make sure you don't buy anything that covers something you already knew. Why didn't we think of that?

Ya know what I'd like to understand? Why people posting from entirely different continents (or island nations) claim to be located in the US. But hey... I'm weird like that.

Paul

I am an American living overseas not that it is any of your business. I did not say not sell something i already knew. I am saying stop peddling rehashed stuff and then not honoring the refund or bailing out from thread. Guess you have a reading comprehension problem?

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tpw

11 years ago

Originally Posted by clickfund

I am an American living overseas not that it is any of your business. I did not say not sell something i already knew. I am saying stop peddling rehashed stuff and then not honoring the refund or bailing out from thread. Guess you have a reading comprehension problem?

Even in the days of Solomon, there was "nothing new under the sun."

It is rarely possible to sell something new, but if you are open to new ways of thinking, you can often find new ways to see old things.

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Denise Hall

11 years ago

Originally Posted by clickfund

I am an American living overseas not that it is any of your business. I did not say not sell something i already knew. I am saying stop peddling rehashed stuff and then not honoring the refund or bailing out from thread. Guess you have a reading comprehension problem?

"Rehashed" is really only rehashed for IMer's who have been around for awhile. For newbies, it's not rehashed material, it's new to them.

And sometimes "old" material with a new twist works well.

But that being said, there is a lot of junk around, and it's really up to the buyer to determine if the information is useful to them or not.

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clickfund

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Don't buy flaky products from people whose opinions you don't trust.

The truth is that there is certainly some crap out there, but there is also gold in them thar hills.

I agree with that but was on a couple lists of people that had provided good products so I went for some that were recommended. Needless to say not on their lists anymore. Even well known "respected" warriors I have seen push garbage products. Not all of them do of course and I have seen some good products I have bought as well.

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stoltingmediagroup

11 years ago

As I do a quick check, there are currently 4372 members and 24066 guests online at the WF.
Many of these guests and members browse around giving each other advice about topics they have absolutely no clue about. Others spend their days purchasing WSO's that teach them how to create WSO's to sell to other newbie marketers who want to learn to create and sell WSO's to newbie marketers who want to create and sell WSO's to newbie marketers who want to learn how to create and sell..... (You get the picture). Heck, I've seen record breaking times from complete newbie to WSO seller in less than a week. (And I'm sure there's a WSO with that title selling somewhere). Hence the quality products being sold.

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clickfund

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup

As I do a quick check, there are currently 4372 members and 24066 guests online at the WF.
Many of these guests and members browse around giving each other advice about topics they have absolutely no clue about. Others spend their days purchasing WSO's that teach them how to create WSO's to sell to other newbie marketers who want to learn to create and sell WSO's to newbie marketers who want to create and sell WSO's to newbie marketers who want to learn how to create and sell..... (You get the picture). Heck, I've seen record breaking times from complete newbie to WSO seller in less than a week. (And I'm sure there's a WSO with that title selling somewhere). Hence the quality products being sold.

Good point and insightful post. I realize it is what it is, I just noticed a bigger trend lately of meaty sales pages, and fluffy retread products. I have came across a few good ones also and picked up good info along the way

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Importexport

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup

As I do a quick check, there are currently 4372 members and 24066 guests online at the WF.
Many of these guests and members browse around giving each other advice about topics they have absolutely no clue about. Others spend their days purchasing WSO's that teach them how to create WSO's to sell to other newbie marketers who want to learn to create and sell WSO's to newbie marketers who want to create and sell WSO's to newbie marketers who want to learn how to create and sell..... (You get the picture). Heck, I've seen record breaking times from complete newbie to WSO seller in less than a week. (And I'm sure there's a WSO with that title selling somewhere). Hence the quality products being sold.

I have looked at some of the WSOs related to my niche, which is importing, and I have not been at all impressed. I have also looked at offers outside WF and I get the same result.

Much of the information is obsolete, and some of it is downright risky. In some cases the text contains a lot of technicalities and jargon, which only serve to confuse the readers. I thought the idea should be to make a subject easy to understand for newbies, not to complicate it just so the writer (vendor) seems expert.

A lot of what I see has definitely been recycled, because I have seen it in other offers. Another thing I have noticed is that a lot of what I read in some of these offers is clearly the result of research by hack writers and is definitely not written from experience.

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travlinguy

11 years ago

Originally Posted by clickfund

Maybe some will flame this post, but it has to be said. I was away from WF for a while as so many products that I bought and tried were low quality, and simply respun from previous WSO"s. having gotten involved again, I came across an offer that sounded as if it was a unique method for traffic generation. So I bought it, and it was all outdated and ineffective ways to basically waste my time. They might have kept a newbie busy, but having tried these methods several years ago I already know the methods do not work as it used to.

What kills me is that so many affiliates review each others products with glowing reviews just so the reviewer gets the same favor on his next product. Also, I noticed lately a lot of these offers are throwing in disclaimers in the refund policy like "prove to me that you followed everything I said to do and i will refund".

Shouldn"t the product stand on its own merit? Sure there are serial refunders, but that is a small % of all buyers. Also I am getting run around from a seller who pm"ed me and said "refund sent". Well, still have not seen it. Now comes the hassle of a paypal dispute. The amount is small, but I am not going to give someone my cash for a garbage product.

I would like to hear other warriors thoughts on this. I have learned a lot here and gotten good value but seems like maybe some better guidelines on WSO"s? What"s your thoughta? Thanks

I find it really interesting that when I click on your sig link it brings me to a squeeze page that talks about cashing in big regardless of experience... Stuff the "Gurus" Do not want you to know...

Man, talk about rehashed baloney. Here's a tip: Gurus, whatever that means, don't give a rat's hiney what anyone else is doing. And the old rehashed "us against the gurus" was a hook that NEVER worked, even when it was first introduced about 15 years ago. The newest noobs even don't bite on that one.

But... Carry on. Good luck.

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clickfund

11 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

I find it really interesting that when I click on your sig link it brings me to a squeeze page that talks about cashing in big regardless of experience... Stuff the "Gurus" Do not want you to know...

Man, talk about rehashed baloney. Here's a tip: Gurus, whatever that means, don't give a rat's hiney what anyone else is doing. And the old rehashed "us against the gurus" was a hook that NEVER worked, even when it was first introduced about 15 years ago. The newest noobs even don't bite on that one.

But... Carry on. Good luck.

Glad to see you are such an authority on life.

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tpw 11 years ago

Originally Posted by clickfund

Glad to see you are such an authority on life.

Tsk... Tsk...

Does "pot, kettle, black" sound familiar?

When you seek to diminish others, you only serve to diminish yourself.
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travlinguy

11 years ago

Originally Posted by clickfund

Glad to see you are such an authority on life.

I'm not much of an authority on anything but I do pay attention. :rolleyes:

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clickfund

11 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

I'm not much of an authority on anything but I do pay attention. :rolleyes:

OK Cool, but what is this Guru hook you are saying I have in sig link?

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travlinguy

11 years ago

Originally Posted by clickfund

OK Cool, but what is this Guru hook you are saying I have in sig link?

Is this not the blurb from your squeeze page?

"Where The Money Is And How To Get It!"

Inside you will discover the secrets to cashing in BIG regardless of experience. The "Gurus" Do not want you to know this! Enter your email address for instant access...

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tpw

11 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

Is this not the blurb from your squeeze page?

"Where The Money Is And How To Get It!"

Inside you will discover the secrets to cashing in BIG regardless of experience. The "Gurus" Do not want you to know this! Enter your email address for instant access...

Unless he changed it after you called him on it, it currently reads:

"Where The Money Is And How To Get It!"

Inside you will discover the secrets to cashing in with the RIGHT WAY to outsource your work and save time even with a small budget. Enter your email address for instant access...

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travlinguy 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

Unless he changed it after you called him on it, it currently reads:

I copied it from his page and pasted it into my post. If anything, he's got a better squeeze page. So maybe something good did come from this thread.
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Jill Carpenter 11 years ago

When Will The "Rehash" Syndrome Stop?

When will the wheel stop working on cars?

I mean really - how many different brands of tires do we need for our cars?

On another note - BILL! Hope you've been safe with all that tornado action.
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- tpw 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter
  
  On another note - BILL! Hope you've been safe with all that tornado action.
  
  All of the dangerous stuff missed me.
  
  Carney was the closest, and it is 30 miles to the south.
  
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  clickfund 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by tpw
  
  All of the dangerous stuff missed me.
  
  Carney was the closest, and it is 30 miles to the south.
  
  That is good to hear. I am overseas and it was on the news here. Horrible event will be donating on your link I saw
  
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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

In addition to seeing nothing new or groundbreaking on your own website, you are promoting the hell out of:

Unsecured loans
Work from Home Mastermind Video Course
Easy Press Release Writer
Funnel Cash Storm

and ironically ... One Day Product Creation Video Series

I'm sure you have used all those products and they are to die for. Right?

... and just how do you create a product in one day without it being rehashed garbage?
Inquiring minds want to know ....

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

When will threads about "rehashing" quit being rehashed? :rolleyes:

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- Woodward82 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MissTerraK
  
  When will threads about "rehashing" quit being rehashed? :rolleyes:
  
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  Was just thinking the same thing, and I think someone on here said it best not to long ago. Sometimes its not 'rehashed' its just the basics that sometimes need repeated to people that need the learning
  
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- tpw 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MissTerraK
  
  When will threads about "rehashing" quit being rehashed? :rolleyes:
  
  Terra
  
  It is all relative.
  
  It is only "rehashed" to you, if YOU have read it before. :p
  
  For the person who has never seen it before, it is not "rehashed" but a new idea.
  
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  Paul Myers 11 years ago
  
  I am saying stop peddling rehashed stuff and then not honoring the refund or bailing out from thread.
  
  If a seller doesn't honor their posted refund policy, report it. Use the little red triangle to the left of the relevant post and give us the details.
  
  We'll ban a seller - fast - if they refuse refunds that are within their posted policy.
  
  Guess you have a reading comprehension problem?
  
  It's always possible to misread something on a forum, so I went back and looked again. I don't think that's the case here. I think you asked the forum to protect you from the risks of thinking for yourself, and I made fun of that notion.
  
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  tpw 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  I think you asked the forum to protect you from the risks of thinking for yourself, and I made fun of that notion.
  
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  If it is any consolation, it was fun. :p
  
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  Paul Myers 11 years ago
  
  Bill,
  
  If it is any consolation, it was fun.
  
  I'd have enjoyed it more if the Yankees had won. ;/
  
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  tpw 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  Bill,I'd have enjoyed it more if the Yankees had won. ;/
  
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  The what?
  
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  Paul Myers 11 years ago
  
  And that's bad.
  
  Very.
  
  If we become convinced someone is not honoring a posted refund policy, they get banned until they do. And if they are repeat offenders, or get caught sneaking back in under another account without fixing it, they're gone for good.
  
  That's not one of our more flexible policies.
  
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  Paul Myers 11 years ago
  
  Bill,
  
  The what?
  
  Sorry. An obscure regional sports reference.
  
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  tpw 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Paul Myers
  
  Bill,Sorry. An obscure regional sports reference.
  
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  LOL
  
  According to those history books that I read in grade school, the Yankees did win... :p
  
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  Paul Myers 11 years ago
  
  Bill,
  
  According to those history books that I read in grade school, the Yankees did win... :p
  
  If they'd known how Florida would turn out, they might not have been so determined...
  
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  Tom B Banned 11 years ago
  
  Even though I haven't posted much in a long time here, it seems like a soap opera where you can come back like you where always here.
  
  Marketing is marketing. Not a lot has changed. It is more of a matter of how someone teaches you. I have picked up a lot of great info because of the way people taught me.
  
  I am currently working on a foreign language. I have tried a few training techniques to find one that works for me. I don't expect it to work for everyone. It is the same for learning everything. Some medium and teaching styles work for some and not for others.
  
  Sure, a lot of it is rehashed.
  
  That is great for you because you learned enough to notice.
  
  Since you are experienced, you should have a plan and be purchasing subjects that will help you succeed with that plan. Otherwise you are throwing money away and the problem is you.
  
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  goindeep 11 years ago
  
  I agree with the op somewhat.
  
  I dont buy as many WSO's anymore because of reasons I cant say here.
  
  But I also have to say that I have purchased great ones.
  
  In fact right now my site is ranked on the first page for my main keyword because of a wso I purchased
  
  I like to look at the WSO area like a giant weekend market place. The forum cant control every single offer, every review, every complaint, every purchase etc.
  
  The customer has a certain amount of responsibility, so does the affiliate and obviously the seller.
  
  If the seller is scamming people ive seen them get taken down. The problem you are talking about is not scams though, your talking about people re-hashing information and selling it.
  
  Well people have been doing that for hundreds of years i.e. how do you bake a cake?
  
  Its up to you to decide whether you purchase, if the seller isnt giving you the information you need to make a purchase then i'd advise asking those questions directly, if they dont respond or the answer you get does not suite you then dont buy. Its as simple as that.
  
  Ive both bought and sold products online and I can tell you it's not all one way, the customer is not forced into buying anything and needs to make that decision themselves.
  
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  rallenk 11 years ago
  
  [QUOTE=Marketing is marketing. Not a lot has changed. It is more of a matter of how someone teaches you. I have picked up a lot of great info because of the way people taught me. .[/QUOTE]
  
  Perception IS reality... Each of us has a slightly altered view (perception) of what is presented. That's all Marketing really is... If you change someone's perception of the 'same ole same ole' isn't that called effective copy writing? Just asking....
  
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WillR

11 years ago

Sorry, but when I see threads like this all it tells me is that you are not doing thorough enough research before buying a product. It's YOUR responsibility to buy good products, no one elses.

I have purchased a number of WSO's over the last few years and have never needed to refund any of them. I don't buy opportunities or products that sound too good to be true. It sounds like you do though and that's a problem you need to resolve yourself.

Also remember that the 'basic' to you might be something a lot of other people do not already know.

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John Romaine

11 years ago

Oh man, too funny.

"When will people stop selling bullshit!" .....oh wait.

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Danny Turner 11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Oh man, too funny.

"When will people stop selling bullshit!" .....oh wait.

Is it only us Aussies that find this thread funny
thanks guys, I love a good chuckle
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- Doug Wakefield 11 years ago
  
  Everyone has different teaching methods, just like everyone has different learning methods.
  
  I have recently picked up two products that cover the exact same subject. Both products are great, but both have plenty of ground left uncovered. Both of these products are fairly expensive to boot.
  
  I suppose it would be rehashing to create a lower priced product that fills the gap that these two products create since you would be working around the same topic.
  
  OF course, the irony is that these products were themselves rehashed... by the product creators themselves. In both cases it was content that they have taught before, they just compiled it and released it as a product in a format that they hadn't released it in already.
  
  To go further, the both of these product creators do this a lot. Both of them pull 6 figures or better a year too.
  
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LastingLifeSuccess

11 years ago

You are certainly welcome to the observation that led you to your convinced conclusion.

There is a place for even the lamest WSO believe it or not. Like it or not: they are there and have a presence, a use. Everything has a function if you know what I am driving at. There is value here and WSO's are part of that value.

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Nightengale 11 years ago

Great thread!

And I agree: people need to take responsibility for their own buying decisions.

If a seller doesn't deliver what was promised, then it's on him. But just because you already know the information (or don't like it) doesn't mean it's bad info. You just know more. As someone else pointed out, there's nothing new under the sun.

I got out off the WF a long time ago for more/better info and it was one of the best things I ever did. I got some GREAT training, far beyond what I would have found here I think. The WF serves it's purpose, but it's really only a starting point. And I hate the incestuous IMers-selling-to-other-IMers nature of WSOs.

So I ditched it. For me, it was a great move.

It may sound harsh, but learn to make better buying decisions. (Yes, you'll occasionally buy a bad product, but it should be the exception and not the rule.) If you're still unhappy with your purchases, go elsewhere and buy from others.

No, I'm not kidding.

For me, trying to piece together an entire IM education from $7 e-books covering a microscopic portion of IM was NOT working. I needed more. I also didn't want to focus on the latest, greatest "trick" that would just get me banned somewhere (from the SERPS or whatever) but not really help me build a "real" business.

I needed a comprehensive A-Z course -- and I found it. It was one of the best things I ever did. If you're unhappy with the info you're getting here, maybe that's what you need to do too.

Hope that helps!

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timpears

11 years ago

I am surprised your thread has not been deleted. I have posted similar threads and they were deleted before I could get back to check if there were any responses. And I was not even bashing WSO last time, just asking for feedback on what their WSO purchases did for them, or something like that. It has been a while, and I forgot the main thrust of my question.

I am especially surprised as Paul Meyers answered you, and he is the number one thread deleter I believe, at least the most visible.

If those WSO give pleasure and learning to newbies, most don't cost much, so what is the harm? People should complain publicly if they find the material out of date for fictions for some reason, and if they don't, I don't think there is much you can do.

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Paul Myers 11 years ago

Tim,

I am especially surprised as Paul Meyers answered you, and he is the number one thread deleter I believe, at least the most visible.

Prior to that bolded section, I was wondering how someone could be a member for 5 years and have so little clue about how things work here.

But then, you can't even spell my name correctly when it's right in front of you, so...

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- Horny Devil Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by timpears
  
  I am especially surprised as Paul Meyers answered you, and he is the number one thread deleter I believe, at least the most visible.
  
  Well, an anagram of his name provides you with that confirmation . . . Paul Myers = am rules spy
  
  But don't mess with him, as another anagram proves . . . Paul Myers = mauls prey
  
  All done in the best possible taste
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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by timpears

I am surprised your thread has not been deleted. I have posted similar threads and they were deleted before I could get back to check if there were any responses. And I was not even bashing WSO last time, just asking for feedback on what their WSO purchases did for them, or something like that. It has been a while, and I forgot the main thrust of my question.

I am especially surprised as Paul Meyers answered you, and he is the number one thread deleter I believe, at least the most visible.

If those WSO give pleasure and learning to newbies, most don't cost much, so what is the harm? People should complain publicly if they find the material out of date for fictions for some reason, and if they don't, I don't think there is much you can do.

LOL, I would delete your account for making this post. Good thing I'm not a a mod

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Horny Devil Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

LOL, I would delete your account for making this post. Good thing I'm not a a mod

Ah-ha, another one who needs to attend an AA meeting.
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Andy Fletcher

11 years ago

I love how these threads always play out the same way.

"I hate rehashed products"

Explanation for why it's not rehashing.

"OK but they don't honour refunds so I'm actually correct even though my OP had nothing to do with that."

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CollegeCEO

11 years ago

This thread is very entertaining lol.

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Mark Gray

11 years ago

Do your Due Diligence and then cross reference with others in that feild, seek out opinions, reviews etc then there should be no issue when you buy a product.

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Devin X

Banned 11 years ago

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Don't buy IM products, which includes WSOs. I don't understand why everyone goes right into the IM market, as if that's the only profitable market. I also don't understand why so many people think that they're going to find a trust fund locked away within an IM product. Like boom, they buy it, and then they expect to get paid mad dollars without doing anything except opening their wallet.

Yes, it's also irritating to see so many people without any shred of integrity or pride, but there's nothing you can really do about them except to ignore them. Giving those people attention can end up doing them a favor, which is why I haven't started any feuds yet.

If you're feeling vigilante, then go ahead and write all about it. Review these products and call them out on their BS. Just remember that doing so might actually help them.

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Mike Hill

11 years ago

I've noticed that the OP has run off as soon as travlinguy exposed the fact the OP changes his landing page and then comes back to complain about he very thing he was advertising... LOL. Some people do a very good job incriminating themselves against the very things they hate and feel the urge to complain about... LMFAO

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