Writing Articles - I'm Done

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I'm seriously considering ditching writing as a whole and continuing to develop my Web Development skills.

I've been writing since 2006 but I'm about done with chasing pennies. This is what the majority of job postings look like on all the forums I check on a daily basis: (I know these are just two small examples but the market is literally plagued with crap like this).


Then on content mills, the majority of job postings look like this: (I believe the pay for this one was $4.90 for a 400 word article).


Then you have a lack of client communication with those that you do find. They usually take days to respond to inquiries or e-mails. There's also a lack of people willing to pay any kind of fee upfront because of how easy it is to win those chargebacks.

The next biggest problem I run into is what I like to call the chase. When it comes time for payment or when people want work done, I have to chase them down over a week usually just to get a hold of them or get anything out of them. It's just ridiculous.

I see so many claims around here that people constantly find well paying and consistent jobs from clients on here. Well, bravo to those people but I'm starting to think they're all made up.

Then you have the Copywriting section of the forum. You don't usually find anything useful there, it's just people hyping up other people's MUST HAVE products on how to write better Copy. Not to mention it's just a festival of people bragging about how much they make via writing Copy all day and how it's some "art" that takes years to learn.

The reality of writing for new people: Don't rely on it to live. You will go broke, you will starve, you will be late on rent/bills and you will be constantly frustrated with slow-responding clients who seem to take forever to chase down. Not only that, but finding those decent paying clients is a hassle and nightmare on it's own because everyone thinks they can build some award winning franchise off of $1 writers.

Good luck to everyone else though, I said one month ago I was going to work hard, slam hard and get a multitude of clients and one month later, I'm at $-37 with no rent money. To those who say they get high paying jobs all the time from this very forum, you're obviously a wizard with tricks I didn't know about.

Maybe i'll be back in another field. Maybe i'll be yet another one of those product marketers selling some magical $7 product that solves all your problems in a given field. Who knows, but thanks for all of those who actually did help with real and sincere advice over time.

Sincerely,
Corey
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    I've been writing since 2006
    Why are you not syndicating your own content vs writing for hire?

    You could have thousands of articles by now, generating traffic to your websites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by GB Solutions View Post

      You take your writing skills, combine with a really good article spinner, you could make a lot of money off clients.
      Ridiculous advice, here.

      Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

      Why are you not syndicating your own content vs writing for hire?
      This.

      This was what I decided to do, four and a half years ago. I'm "my own only writing client", now. I haven't looked back.

      Earning a living by writing for others is a funny old game. It all depends on which markets you choose to compete in, it seems to me. I know writers selling articles for $150-$200 to regularly returning clients who know how to use them for syndication, and their businesses flourish. I also know writers selling articles for $10 and really struggling because their customers disappear and need continually to be replaced. (That's why you see $10/$15 article writers permanently advertising, it seems to me: their clients just "don't last" because their own businesses aren't too likely to survive: they don't know how to use the product. You don't see writers of $200 articles advertising much, and that certainly isn't because there aren't any!). It has something to do with writing skills, too, of course - but not as much as everyone thinks, perhaps: it's a lot more about marketing your own skills and services as a writer.

      The lower the prices you write for, the more competition there is. By the time you get down to about $5 per article, there are more writers than customers. Almost!

      However, Brent's question above is undoubtedly the question.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ozegbe Azuka
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Ridiculous advice, here.



        This.

        This was what I decided to do, four and a half years ago. I'm "my own only writing client", now. I haven't looked back.

        Earning a living by writing for others is a funny old game. It all depends on which markets you choose to compete in, it seems to me. I know writers selling articles for $150-$200 to regularly returning clients who know how to use them for syndication, and their businesses flourish. I also know writers selling articles for $10 and really struggling because their customers disappear and need continually to be replaced. (That's why you see $10/$15 article writers permanently advertising, it seems to me: their clients just "don't last" because their own businesses aren't too likely to survive: they don't know how to use the product. You don't see writers of $200 articles advertising much, and that certainly isn't because there aren't any!). It has something to do with writing skills, too, of course - but not as much as everyone thinks, perhaps: it's a lot more about marketing your own skills and services as a writer.

        The lower the prices you write for, the more competition there is. By the time you get down to about $5 per article, there are more writers than customers. Almost!

        However, Brent's question above is undoubtedly the question.
        OMG! I must confess,you are just too way good.Your content and reply
        is always encouraging and direct-to-point.Thanks Alexa and keep it up
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  • Profile picture of the author GB Solutions
    You take your writing skills, combine with a really good article spinner, you could make a lot of money off clients.

    Unique Content + Web 2.0 sites + Article submission sites + forums + Blogs = Off Page SEO

    Im not sure if you realize it but its worth a ton of money and it all stems from > Writing
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by GB Solutions View Post

      You take your writing skills, combine with a really good article spinner, you could make a lot of money off clients.

      Unique Content + Web 2.0 sites + Article submission sites + forums + Blogs = Off Page SEO

      Im not sure if you realize it but its worth a ton of money and it all stems from > Writing
      Considering that Penguin 2.0 just got released, I highly doubt this approach will continue to work. Be part of the solution. Fill the Net with QUALITY and REAL content.
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      • Profile picture of the author Vanilla Gorilla
        Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

        Considering that Penguin 2.0 just got released, I highly doubt this approach will continue to work. Be part of the solution. Fill the Net with QUALITY and REAL content.
        I agree 100%. Content is more in demand than ever before. There are always going to be tons of people looking for the cheapest deal, but the marketers that are most successful understand that intriguing content is essential. Seek out those that are successful and willing to pay for great content or start looking for a new job I guess.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rich Struck
      Originally Posted by GB Solutions View Post

      You take your writing skills, combine with a really good article spinner,
      No such thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    You take your writing skills, combine with a really good article spinner, you could make a lot of money off clients.
    Terrible advice. Unless you are trying to establish yourself as a scammer.
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  • Profile picture of the author sweetcrabhoney18
    I'm the same way these days. I changed everything because like you said -- writing articles for pennies isn't working. The hours invested don't reflect the time it takes to research, write and proof read. It might be time for you to use those writing skills for yourself instead of for others. I've learned that product creation and kindle publishing provide the kind of money I need to make a true living and still allow me to use my writing skills. I highly recommend you do some research, find a niche that uses the skills you already know and go from there. The key is to not quit just because you have to deal with dumb and picky clients. Good luck and Keep moving forward!
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    • Profile picture of the author SoloAdMonkey
      I used to do a lot of writing online for varous companies, Content Current, Demand Media, London Brokers but all of them don't pay very well. When you look at the quality needed to get them approved and the length of the article it just isn't worth it. As sad as it is most people don't want to pay for quality content they just want to pay for words, in which case outsourcing it to a nation with cheap labour is probably the best option for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author redtiger
    Thanks for metioning the article syndication idea. I have also been writing for a long time (with glowing feedback) but the best job I have landed up to date paid $8 an article of 400 words.

    Of course I'll also look on Google, but maybe someone can recommend a place where I can find more information on sydicating my own content?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by redtiger View Post

      maybe someone can recommend a place where I can find more information on sydicating my own content?
      If it helps ...

      How I write the articles: How to increase likelyhood of article syndication?

      How I use the articles: Your article writing ISN'T working! This is why: <--- this is a one-post overview of "how article marketing works"

      How to get articles published: How to Find Article Syndication Partners?

      How article directories work: How do Article Directories work?

      How I build lists: What are the essential things to know about list building?

      How I communicate, build relationships and sell to subscribers from my niche websites and emails:
      I don't believe this! Higher opt-in rate, fewer sales
      Website or squeeze page
      Squeeze Page on Landing Page a Turn Off?
      Lists: How Long to Presell - Averages
      Some specific questions about Article Syndication
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      • Profile picture of the author redtiger
        Just what I needed. Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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          @CoreyGeer . . . Wow. So much bitterness. So much anger. So much desperation.

          Why do you feel the need to vent your frustrations on an open forum, blaming all and sundry for your own failings. And why oh why do you want to wallow in your own self pity when YOU ALREADY HAVE THE ANSWERS.

          No-one forces you to chase and work for peanuts.

          No-one forces you to work for others.

          Writers are a unique breed and I doubt any two are exactly alike. What sets a really good writer apart from a poor or mediocre one is quite simple to define; SKILL.

          If you have that skill then why are you not utilising it for your own benefit, instead of for others? Why do you lower your standards by peddling your services for chicken feed? Is it because you're really NOT that good a writer, in which case I'm wasting my time responding to you. Or is it because you're a really good writer but simply haven't realised that you alone hold your destiny in your hands. In which case I'll give you some advice

          I write. I write books for myself. I write sales copy for myself. In fact 99% of the work I do is for my own publications. I sometimes write articles for other people, and occasionally I write dissertations for students when the mood takes me. My charges are extremely high and any clients I do undertake assignments for are immediately aware of the top quality of my work, as recommendations for my services are almost always by word of mouth. If not, the numerous books I've published (including some best-sellers) are recommendation enough.

          I achieve all of this simply because I excel in what I do which is RESEARCH and WRITING. That's all there is to it. There's no secret and no magic wand.

          So why are you not writing for yourself? What's stopping you creating your own websites, your own blogs, your own Kindle and e-books, your own social media presence, your own articles, etc. If you can write top quality articles for others then you can do it for yourself. Instead of looking for work, let work or sales come to you.

          I can submit an article to a single popular blog and get anything from 100,000 to 5 million views in a single week. From that I get traffic to my website. From my website I sell books. Why aren't you doing that?

          The bottom line is ARE YOU a really good writer, because if you're not then there's plenty other things you could be doing.

          If YOU ARE a top-notch writer but are looking for a way out of the wilderness you've created for yourself, shoot me a PM. I've helped others on WF with personal advice before, and if I can I'll help you. If you're not bothered then I should wish you good luck, but I won't . . . because there's no such thing. You either cut the mustard or you don't.
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          • Profile picture of the author Allan_Gardyne
            Corey, You're getting some really valuable advice here...

            Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

            So why are you not writing for yourself? What's stopping you creating your own websites, your own blogs, your own Kindle and e-books, your own social media presence, your own articles, etc. If you can write top quality articles for others then you can do it for yourself.
            I'm an ex-journalist. I'd grown to hate my job. I hated having a boss who looked over my shoulder and told me what to do, so I was strongly motivated to create my own business. I was SO determined, I worked crazy hours - from dawn till around midnight. (I'm not suggesting you go that far.)

            It wasn't easy. I had a computer crash and then discovered my backups hadn't worked. A hacker froze my forum after posting "adult" stuff on it... Lots of things went wrong but I kept on going.

            After about 18 months of researching, learning, experimenting and constant frustration with things going wrong, I quit my job in 1998 when my online business started earning quite a bit more than my job.

            At that time, my wife and I owned just one house and a mortgage. Now, thanks to using my writing skills to build my own business, we have a summer house in New Zealand, an apartment for winters on the Gold Coast, Australia, a rental property, and we have a self-managed superannuation fund.

            I understand you need money right now and that building a proper business is a slow process. But as soon as you can, I recommend you devote one day a week to researching and building your own online business.

            Those articles you write could be YOUR assets, building YOUR business, building your reputation. Sure, there are lots of challenges and lots to learn, but if you have above average intelligence, determination and good writing skills, you'll have a flying start over most of your competitors.

            The beautiful thing about an online business is that often you can design it around your skills and interests.

            Imagine if, starting today, you researched and wrote just ONE article a week for yourself. A year from now, you could have a 50-page blog, website, ebook or special report, crammed with unique, lively, entertaining, genuinely useful content you were proud of. You would own it. Imagine how good that would feel.

            As well, if you were fortunate enough to have chosen a topic you already knew a lot about, or were passionate about, you might have actually enjoyed the journey.
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            • Profile picture of the author writeaway
              Originally Posted by Allan_Gardyne View Post


              At that time, my wife and I owned just one house and a mortgage. Now, thanks to using my writing skills to build my own business, we have a summer house in New Zealand, an apartment for winters on the Gold Coast, Australia, a rental property, and we have a self-managed superannuation fund.
              Thank you for the inspiration, Allan. It's all about building assets. Right now, I build two assets: constantly improving my skills through volume work and building my own sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author koreancowboy
    I guess I'm lucky in the respect that the one of the sites that I write for pays me $12/article, and they're rarely longer than 600 words. A bonus for me is that I don't have to do much research (if any at all), since it's in the niche that I'm the most knowledgeable in (automotive). At most, it takes me 30 minutes to write an article, and that includes finding links to my other articles/other sites, and finding a photo to go with it.

    It doesn't pay much for now(I do have a regular gig), but I enjoy doing it, and it looks great on my resume.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Isn't one of the problems here that you are trying to compete with the $5 and below article writers? If you've been writing since 2006 and are confident in your writing skills then work on increasing your value and work on your personal brand and charge more for your skills. There's no need to race to the bottom if you have the skills. Most people writing for $5 per article are doing so because they are terrible at writing.

    If I ever planned to write articles for a living (and I don't) I certainly wouldn't be writing them for pennies.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I get writing work from regular and ad-hoc clients but I admit this thread has helped me to think about other options to add to my repertoire. Thanks to everyone who has contributed ideas, especially Alexa and all your links. I will read and digest them with a ravenous appetite.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I think the OP has had posts/threads similar to this in the past. He knows what the answers are. I believe I answered one a while back. I'll offer the same answer here.

    Hook up with a few Web designers as their "in house" writer. That way they can offer more services (Websites that come complete with content) when they create a site for someone. Here's a hint: Offline clients usually aren't aware of the low, low prices writers get paid in the online world so try and hook up with designers who have a lot of offline business. OTO BONUS hint, hint: The offline forum nearby would be a good place to seek Web design partners.

    I've offered this answer about a dozen times over the years when writers ask how they can get more work and better pay. One time I got a response from someone who asked how you find these Web designers. Ugh. Ya know what? If someone doesn't have enough imagination and initiative to figure that out they should probably get a job where a boss gives them specific instructions every few hours. Sorry, that's really how it goes...
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    • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Hook up with a few Web designers as their "in house" writer.
      This ^

      Better still, think about contacting SEO firms.

      These guys are desperate for content writers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Originally Posted by Corey Geer View Post

    I've been writing since 2006 but I'm about done with chasing pennies.
    You've listed the problems but also the solution! Stop chasing pennies
    and you will see the "penny experiences" magically disappear.

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  • Profile picture of the author stefanvanray
    Once again, Alexa is giving truly great and applicable advice. Thank you Alexa!
    The whole point of working in IM is being your own boss and not working to make other people rich. Being a writer for hire is not how serious marketers make the big money. Be your own boss! Grow your own empire! That's the whole point my friend. Here' to your success!
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  • Profile picture of the author CollegeCEO
    The reason people are able to pay such low rates is because people keep accepting the jobs. It's as simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author roblawrence
    Why not use your writing skills and start a blog or membership site? Writing isn't easy and if you have the talent, there's no reason why you shouldn't be wealthy. You know how the SEO game is played and can craft your articles accordingly. Have you tried adsense targeting for high paying keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    For top tier writers, you'd be much better off writing for yourself. Meaning, either create your own product and/or promote an affiliate product and use your writing skills to write an amazing salesletter/website/email sequence and make money while you sleep.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allan_Gardyne
      Corey, I've just been for a walk by the beach and thought of few more tips I could give you but first I decided to learn more about you.

      What I discovered is that you're just playing at this stuff.

      How do I know? I simply looked your signature file and your Facebook page.

      Good grief!

      In your signature file, what looks like a link - the underlined words - isn't a link. If you really want jobs as a writer, surely you should be providing a link people can click on to make it easy for them to read a description of your skills, experience, and details of what you're offering. You're selling your writing skills, so you have to actually MARKET yourself, not just appeal for help.

      On Facebook you say, "I don't really read books." (I'm not making this up!)

      Good grief again! As a writer, you know you have to try to imagine what your reader is thinking. A writer who doesn't read books! Isn't that a deep, dark, secret you should have kept to yourself?

      The things you write on Facebook - and anywhere else - should be examples of carefully considered, intelligent thought - not rough words you dash off while you're watching TV. You're a writer, remember! Your customers will want to see proof.

      As a first step in getting work or building a business, I strongly recommend you turn off the TV (unless you're going to write it) and start building a proper reputation. If you don't have the determination to at least do that, then you're just playing, hoping, and dreaming.

      Figure out what you want, figure out the things you need to learn to get there, and then start taking the necessary steps.
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  • Profile picture of the author ParkerArrow

    For a solution you can put into motion tomorrow:



    Forget All-or-Nothing solutions. Try splitting your article output; here's an example:

    1. Constant Content - write 3 articles a day for your inventory while you drink your morning coffee; in a month you'll have 100 articles and start seeing sales from stuff you like to write. If it gets rejected there try The Daily Article, Ghostbloggers, or Article Sale.com. Price a 500 word article at $25-$50. Earn it. If you'd rather keep this writing for your projects, have at it.

    2. Textbroker - write 3 articles, take a break, write 3 more. (4 hours) $40-$50 bucks a day paid next week. Go for orders with 50 or less words of instruction. If they want more than a 10 minute revision, withdraw article and see Step 1. If TB clients expect an hour's work for $5 at Native Speaker quality but not Native cost of living - let their orders sit unwritten for months, as they do. Hint: use the TB search function for articles you like to write; and occasionally search by client numbers from decent orders you've filled.

    3. Constant Content Public Requests - 2-3 articles a day for stuff you can write. A 500 word article, priced at $50 will possibly net you $20-30 Earnings Per Article over the pre-written article sales cycle (minus CC's 35% and roughly a 70% conversion rate). As you write more for CC, you can also access writer pools and direct orders. They also take other types of content like images and infographics.

    4. Try to get private clients (CC COMPANY clients, not TB IM clients) by messaging them and thanking them and offering the opportunity. Query real world SEO/Web Des companies - by the dozen if nec. Charge $25-$35 per article minimum; otherwise you're better off writing at a penny a word in bulk from a Content Farm than erratic client bid-ness. If you get more orders than you can handle, no problem: hirewriters.com, faster than TB, similar standards. Hire a VA. Visit oDesk. WF too of course!

    5. Do not cooperate with private clients who a) want you to write something on spec for them and b) promise you lots of work if you do. In the real world we call them thieves.

    6. Follow the rest of the advice in this thread about your own IM development. Don't hold your breath, just make your cash-in-hand writing obsolete and phase it out.


    Write for short, medium and long term channels daily.



    I wouldn't try revshare, since those sites could keep the online rights to your writing forever, and Google could make them irrelevant overnight. Those limited rights - were just for print. Uh oh.

    I would also suggest that if you don't want to hold your breath for writing books, that instead write useful reports that you can market faster. Guest blogging is good as has been mentioned; but building a blog entity can be a maddening amount of slow work at first - and lots and lots to learn. Before you get traffic, have somewhere to lead them.


    Quantity and Quality

    Textbroker is a very useful site. Don't be so quick to discount it. Passing editorial muster, adapting to client instructions, honing your quality output at faster paces - quantity writing leads to quality writing. Quality writing alone leads to hothouse flower syndrome: a severely limited and demanding skill set.


    Respect the Web, See Ahead


    However, just one more note: Constant Content editors will reject your article for ONE COMMA instead of earning their 35% and fixing it themselves. Textbroker is also notorious for what I call "The Comma of Damoclese." One errant comma and you're out. Mostly these rules are for excuses to weed out undesirables; so don't worry too much. Still, kind of hard to bank on these resources long-term, eh?

    This focus on grammatical gatekeeping over Persuasiveness, Originality, Traffic-Attraction - are yet more reasons why the Web has decimated dead tree media and left thousands of journalists twisting in the wind. Grammar is good, yes; but the money is not in Search Engine Grammartization. These "Quality" content sites are primed for obsolescence by sharper, leaner firms that respect the digital Web, not literary cobwebs.
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  • Profile picture of the author erange
    ...hard to disagree with Alexa. ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    If you're writing articles to make some extra cash on the side I could see. If you got bills to pay like rent and a car note or if your writing articles because you desperately need money then that's a different story. There aren't a lot of people making a full time living writing articles for other people unless they're overseas. It makes more sense to have you're own web business and write your own content, it's more profitable in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Slipkus
    You really shouldn't base your opinion on writing looking at the content mills, that pay a couple of bucks per article.

    As many pointed out - don't choose to compete for those prices, because you're right - even if you figure out how to write an article in 10 minutes and have plenty of customers in the 5-10 dollar price range, you'll still be struggling to make a living.

    And that's what it comes down to - how much time can you allow yourself to spend on a single article. That includes research, planning, "the hook" and so on. I mean, if you can write an article in 10 minutes, how much time will each of these steps have? 1-2 minutes? So if you have to write articles at this pace simply to write enough to make ends meet, you will 1) burn out very quickly and 2) will despise your own work because it will be crappy.

    When you look at it this way, the key question in writing articles becomes - how much do you need to charge for an article in order to allow yourself to spend enough time on it, so you can make it as good as it can be, and also make a comfortable living doing it?

    Some people need an hour to write an article, some need 3 hours or more, depending on the topic and length.

    When you figure this out, then you can determine your price - let's say you can comfortably write two-three articles per day and want to have weekends off. Let's also say your goal per month is 3000$. You can calculate that if you write on average 2 articles per day priced at 50$, you will reach your goal.

    After you determine this, you can start looking for clients that are willing to pay this much - and when you know that you can take the time to produce top quality work, you will find people who are willing to pay as much as you ask for your services.
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  • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
    Someone gave you all the advice you could need about 6 months ago, Corey. I remember it. It's called attitude.

    Now, I don't pretend to be fantastic at having the best attitude but I have some regular clients, one of whom pays the instant I send him an invoice (up front, of course) and responds with regularity to any questions I have.

    All because I felt damn good when I started working for him. It's all about attitude, you see.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    You should look at some of the job listings on freelancer.com. Ridiculous.

    I have been writing articles for 4 years now but I keep changing my rates because I thought, the lower the better, turns out that's not the case. I have not seen a increase/decrease in clients since lowering my rates. You would figure people want cheap articles but it really didn't make a difference for me when I lowered my rates.

    It is easy to get caught up with the trend of trying to keep your prices lower than your competition. But then you end up lowering your prices so much that clients begin to wonder if your articles are really worth anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author JDBradley
    Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but how much would you like to be earning per article?
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  • Profile picture of the author Daones
    I think you need a bit of luck as well, there is some much competition for article writing. But looking at my expenses ive paid 2 of my writers over $6000 (via elance) and that isnt a full time writing job maybe a few articles a week over the last few years. If you can find normal work from a few clients here and there and fill out 3-4 hours a day its not bad work. The problem is finding steady work.

    I also recently started another site its based around content the idea popped in my head to sell it at a later date, then i thought no the money I will make will be much more then I could sell for $10 for a 800 word article.
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  • Profile picture of the author curly sue
    much respect to people who write articles, i don't know if i could do it, too much time consuming and little returns !!
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  • Profile picture of the author I Am Attila
    If you are a great writer, why not work for yourself and write some amazing high quality articles, and turn them into profit with your IM marketing knowledge? This way your articles can be earning you not $3/100 words, but $30/100 words or more.

    That's what I'd do if I had this problem.
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  • Profile picture of the author NSOLO
    If you like writing so much, perhaps you should consider submitting articles to internet & computing news publications. You'd have a better shot of making more money that way, and, of course, you'd make a name for yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    Hey you have a great skill my friend.

    Don't think that this is the end of the road.

    If you love writing but you feel that you aren't getting what
    you are worth that is fine.

    This is what will MOVE YOU onto something that will reward
    you greater for your efforts.

    Sad to see the market go this way but you could easily set
    up your own blog, start writing & posting great information
    on there so that everyone can see YOU as a personality.

    Once you start seeing good traffic you can begin to capture
    email addresses & market your own products/affiliate products
    to your list of subscribers.

    I know a lot of people bang on about building a list but it is
    true that your list is a MASSIVELY VALUABLE ASSET to
    own once you know how build a relationship with that list first
    & foremost.

    You have a huge advantage of knowing how to write & your
    passion for writing will show through once you know that your
    subscribers are responding to what you have to say as a marketer.

    Trust me when I say that your confidence will explode once you
    know that people want to listen to what you have to say.

    Choose a big market, get a blog set up and choose at least 3
    big name marketers that have blogs who YOU like and ones that
    you like who have great writing styles and are not afraid to voice
    their opinions at their blogs etc.

    You will be amazed at how many tips & tricks you can pick up
    just by hanging around and listening to those who have been there
    & done it before you.

    Hope this helps!

    Good luck.
    Gavin
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  • Profile picture of the author Mindz
    Love writing, I never wrote at those content mills. Always was a product creator !
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  • Profile picture of the author elcidofaguy
    Seriously I wouldn't bother with that type of cr**... You're much better than that!!! You need to move on do something bigger and better!!! If you thinking web development - go for it! Learn PHP, Mysql, Javascript, AJAX etc.... Great opportunities await!
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    • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
      Originally Posted by elcidofaguy View Post

      Seriously I wouldn't bother with that type of cr**... You're much better than that!!! You need to move on do something bigger and better!!! If you thinking web development - go for it! Learn PHP, Mysql, Javascript, AJAX etc.... Great opportunities await!
      Not much point in offering advice. The thread starter never replied to any of the posts over a year ago and his signature says "I am on hiatus...".
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery Moss
    A better idea than writing for others would be to publish PLR that sells. You can outsource the grahpics to someone else. Or, as you said, just focus on another passion that you like more.
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