Need to start a Niche Site..Any suggestion?

11 years ago

Pick something you already know about and like. It makes things much easier because you're going to be up to your eyeballs in it every day until it starts to produce on its own. Even they, you're going to have to maintain it.

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Horny Devil

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

Pick something you already know about and like . . .

Rubbish. Many of the most lucrative IM success stories are not based on doing "something you already know" but on "something that's profitable".

I know how to clean a toilet out when my young 'un has deposited a 'monster', but does that mean it's my road to riches. Hell, no.

Really successful IM people go where the money is, and not where their heart is.

Originally Posted by murthee

Hi Everyone.... After reading many offers for Niche sites I was tempted to buy some of those but then the feedback from this forum helped me realize there's no quick way to easy money !...

Ive decided to get started from ground zero. I would like to know how to choose a niche topic

Exactly, there is no quick fix to get "easy money". IM is no different to any other 'offline' trade or business. You have to study, learn, and then study and learn again. You don't pass your apprenticeship in plumbing or whatever by reading a few threads on a forum. You pass it with dedication and hard work over a long period of time.

You choose your niche after you've completed that apprenticeship. Then you're qualified.

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travlinguy

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

Rubbish. Many of the most lucrative IM success stories are not based on doing "something you already know" but on "something that's profitable".

I know how to clean a toilet out when my young 'un has deposited a 'monster', but does that mean it's my road to riches. Hell, no.

Really successful IM people go where the money is, and not where their heart is.

Exactly, there is no quick fix to get "easy money". IM is no different to any other 'offline' trade or business. You have to study, learn, and then study and learn again. You don't pass your apprenticeship in plumbing or whatever by reading a few threads on a forum. You pass it with dedication and hard work over a long period of time.

You choose your niche after you've completed that apprenticeship. Then you're qualified.

I hope you feel better. You made your case absolutely ridiculous with the turd scooping analogy.

As for your comment on "Really successful IM people..." Who says so? You? Sorry, not buying it. Some really successful people, yeah.

I speak from experience. In the early going I picked something profitable and made good money with it. But I hated what I was doing, got bored and didn't learn a damned thing because I picked something else profitable that I had absolutely no connection to and the same thing happened. Then I learned my lesson and focused on what I liked and had talent with. Pretty simple.

If it's only about the money then I'd agree with you. Go for something profitable. If you actually want to enjoy what you're doing then spend a little time to find something you like and is profitable as well.

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remodeler

11 years ago

I would stick to the advice of Travlinguy. Pick something you have knowledge in and enjoy being around. There's nothing worse than working around something you don't like, be it a real world job or an online niche site.

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Horny Devil

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by remodeler

I would stick to the advice of Travlinguy. Pick something you have knowledge in and enjoy being around. There's nothing worse than working around something you don't like, be it a real world job or an online niche site.

So, you'd prefer to pick dimes up because you "enjoyed" the work, rather than dollars, even though you didn't like the crack but it gave you a great living. Ok then, carry on in your fools paradise. Others would beg to differ.

Most would dig graves if it paid 20k+ a month.

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remodeler

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

So, you'd prefer to pick dimes up because you "enjoyed" the work, rather than dollars, even though you didn't like the crack but it gave you a great living. Ok then, carry on in your fools paradise. Others would beg to differ.

Most would dig graves if it paid 20k+ a month.

I think you might need to step away from the computer and take few deep breaths. Aside from that, I've been on both sides of that fence. I'll take putting my time, heart and soul into something I enjoy over having to work at something I dislike. And I believe there are equally a number of others who feel the same whether you differ or not.

Secondly, because I AM working with something I enjoy, my mind can often think of new ways of doing things, new ideas for that niche, etc, that I would have never thought of when my mind is consumed with doing something I hate and trying to force myself to go through the motions. You would be surprised at how much more money you can make when you enjoy what you do.

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themodernworld 11 years ago

Why not go for something you have an interest in learning about and also can make you money?

Have any interest in anything that someone absolutely needs? For example, weight loss is a dire need for some people, and can be profitable.
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John Romaine

11 years ago

I had this discussion with someone today actually.

Most people see no further than 5 minutes in front of their face.

They think, "I know, there's all this search volume around how to cure cancer", I'll write an ebook about and cash in. Who gives a shit about actually helping people".

Then it goes like something like this...

1. They hire some Indian writer at $5 a page to write some rehashed crappy PLR piece of crap ebook.
2. They repackage it and make it look "nice"
3. They then slap it up on some thin crappy sales page and "wait for the sales to come flooding in"
4. They then realize they need to publish content, (oh how boring) so they get enthusiastic for a few days churning out crappy, non helpful, uninformative articles, stuffed with keywords.
5. They grow tired of it and slowly become bored. As a result the site slowly fades.
6. They might make a sale here and there, then panic when someone sends an email asking for (god forbid) more help, or advice. And guess what? They can't because they know f all about the subject matter.
7. They realize after dicking around for 12 months and making no sales, and copping refund after refund (because the information is typically useless) that they should've at least gone into something that they were at knowledgeable in.

I too, just like travlinguy, advise people to choose a marketplace that they either...

a) have some knowledge in
b) have some experience in
c) are passionate about, or enjoy

It makes no sense to invest yourself into something you don't like.

It makes no sense at all.

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travlinguy

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

I had this discussion with someone today actually.

Most people see no further than 5 minutes in front of their face.

They think, "I know, there's all this search volume around how to cure cancer", I'll write an ebook about and cash in. Who gives a shit about actually helping people".

Then it goes like something like this...

1. They hire some Indian writer at $5 a page to write some rehashed crappy PLR piece of crap ebook.
2. They repackage it and make it look "nice"
3. They then slap it up on some thin crappy sales page and "wait for the sales to come flooding in"
4. They then realize they need to publish content, (oh how boring) so they get enthusiastic for a few days churning out crappy, non helpful, uninformative articles, stuffed with keywords.
5. They grow tired of it and slowly become bored. As a result the site slowly fades.
6. They might make a sale here and there, then panic when someone sends an email asking for (god forbid) more help, or advice. And guess what? They can't because they know f all about the subject matter.
7. They realize after dicking around for 12 months and making no sales, and copping refund after refund (because the information is typically useless) that they should've at least gone into something that they were at knowledgeable in.

I too, just like travlinguy, advise people to choose a marketplace that they either...

a) have some knowledge in
b) have some experience in
c) are passionate about, or enjoy

It makes no sense to invest yourself into something you don't like.

It makes no sense at all.

I think you connected the dots really well, John. The happiest people I know get paid very well for doing what they love and don't, for a minute, consider it work.

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John Romaine

11 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

I think you connected the dots really well, John. The happiest people I know get paid very well for doing what they love and don't, for a minute, consider it work.

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There are plenty of examples of people "doing well" for just doing what they enjoy and love. This is why every now and then you'll see threads posted here on Warriors about 15 year old kids making $25,000 a month blogging about skateboards.

It's because they're so passionate about their subject matter.

Not because they roll out of bed each morning with dollar signs in their eyes.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

I suggest you start with a trending niche, rather than go after the 'same old same old' niches. There are lots of emerging trends that can be monetized.

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Rod Cortez

11 years ago

I'm with Travlinguy and John on the point on where a person should first start; the first place I advise people to start is with something that they are interested in; not necessarily something they know about because knowledge can be outsourced.

Now, if none of that can be monetized, then yes, focus on something that's also profitable.

One of the first niches I got into was wedding planning. I knew next to nothing about it, but:

1. I was interested in it, so I went to a bookstore and invested in a couple books on the topic.

2. I saw a definite need for wedding planning on a budget.

3. After doing some preliminary market research, I knew this was a very profitable proposition.

So I began interviewing different wedding planners and found an awesome lady who not only had the expertise I was looking for, she had built up quite an impressive vendor list that gave her discounts because she brought them tons of business.

Though I wasn't passionate about wedding planning, I did have an interest in it, and I did have a passion for my customers and the business I built around it.

@ Murthy,

If you use the search feature of the forum and do an "advanced" keyword search using the word "niche", you will find a dearth of threads on this topic that will give you a bunch of ideas.

RoD

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John Romaine

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

not necessarily something they know about

Rod, the problem that I was faced with, (and I see many others experiencing the same problems), is post sales support.

Years back when I first started, I was given the following advice..

"Don't worry about not knowing anything about XYZ. Just interview experts. Sell that. Who cares. Just cash in"

It soon became apparent, that ...

a) I couldn't provide people with any type of help or support after a sale was made
b) I found it difficult to further monetize, because of my limited knowledge on the subject matter
c) It was in some cases, unethical. I was entering into marketplaces with dollar signs in my eyes, with no regard for anyone's best interests. In some cases I went into health related niches where I would receive emails from people literally begging me for help because a family member was about to die. I wasn't cool with that, man.
d) It was just boring and unenjoyable.

People aren't stupid. They know if you know what you're talking about. If you don't, then it shows.

Id rather blow my competition out of the water based upon experience and knowledge.

You make some valid points and I respect your views none the less.

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Rod Cortez

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Rod, the problem that I was faced with, (and I see many others experiencing the same problems), is post sales support.

Years back when I first started, I was given the following advice..

"Don't worry about not knowing anything about XYZ. Just interview experts. Sell that. Who cares. Just cash in"

It soon became apparent, that ...

a) I couldn't provide people with any type of help or support after a sale was made
b) I found it difficult to further monetize, because of my limited knowledge on the subject matter
c) It was in some cases, unethical. I was entering into marketplaces with dollar signs in my eyes, with no regard for anyones best interests. In some cases I went into health related niches where I would receive emails from people literally begging me for help because a family member was about to die. I wasn't cool with that, man.

People aren't stupid. They know if you know what you're talking about. If you don't, then it shows.

Id rather blow my competition out of the water based upon experience and knowledge.

You bring up a good point. Clearly in some niches and markets you do have to at least be competent, if not an expert. This is why when I hired my expert, we worked out a deal where she would help me develop:

1. A knowledge base (like a FAQs). This was an ongoing project and it solved 92 to 95% of the questions that were asked of our support team.
2. I could contact her and/or her assistant anytime we had questions (we were tied into them via Skype).

I've always managed to find workarounds for not being the expert myself in the beginning. Though, I'm a firm believer in knowing your own product and service, so I immersed myself on the topic anyways and we were able to address the vast majority of questions on our own.

Ideally, yes, it would be great to dive into a niche that you already know something about, it does make it a bit easier.

All I'm saying is that you don't have to be an expert in many of niches out there and I gave one example of that.

And I hear you loud and clear on your last point, if something is boring and not fun, then yeah, you won't be motivated.

RoD

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John Romaine 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

This is why when I hired my expert, we worked out a deal where she would help me

Does this mean you have to pay her directly, share your profits, or give her commissions?
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- Rod Cortez 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by John Romaine
  
  Does this mean you have to pay her directly, share your profits, or give her commissions?
  
  Any of those; it all depends on the deal that you put together and what you negotiate.
  
  Sometimes I pay them a flat fee.
  
  Sometimes I pay them a flat fee and share a % of the commissions. I tend to do these with people who are famous and/or the top expert in their field.
  
  In the wedding planner situation, I paid her a flat, monthly retainer fee and that bought me an X amount of hours of her and her assistant's time. Her knowledge that she helped me build was so thorough that I didn't need her for long (a couple months).
  
  If you ever have more questions on this, feel free to PM me. I'd be glad to help. I've structured quite a few deals over the years and no two were alike.
  
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Horny Devil

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by travlinguy

I hope you feel better. You made your case absolutely ridiculous with the turd scooping analogy.

As for your comment on "Really successful IM people..." Who says so? You? Sorry, not buying it. Some really successful people, yeah.

I've "crossed swords" with you in a few threads and what I've found is that you're pompous and all knowing beyond belief. Your first statement (above) serves only to illustrate the level of the bar you stoop beneath in the context of logical discussion.

The simple fact of the matter is I'd rather earn thousands of pounds/dollars a month doing something I didn't particularly like doing, than earn something substantially less that gave me "pleasure". Anyone agree with me?

Originally Posted by travlinguy

If it's only about the money then I'd agree with you.

It IS only about the money. I provide my children, wife, and other members of my family with a great standard of living simply because I earn the money to do that, albeit doing something I don't particularly class as either a hobby or enthuse about. I'd rather do that than design a business based on my life interests, and earn peanuts.

Originally Posted by remodeler

I think you might need to step away from the computer and take few deep breaths. Aside from that, I've been on both sides of that fence. I'll take putting my time, heart and soul into something I enjoy over having to work at something I dislike.

You're entitled to your opinion, and If you're truly happy making less simply because you feel there's some perverse satisfaction to be gained from satisfying your morals then fine. I'd take the extra money every time, regardless of what it's having to do. You drink your cola between gritted teeth, whilst I drink my champagne with a smile.

Originally Posted by John Romaine

Most people see no further than 5 minutes in front of their face.

I too, just like travlinguy, advise people to choose a marketplace that they either...

a) have some knowledge in
b) have some experience in
c) are passionate about, or enjoy

It makes no sense to invest yourself into something you don't like.

Exactly. Most people DON'T see "further than 5 minutes in front of their face". The reason why? Well, they're conditioned to thinking - by people like you - that following a passion is the key to success. Duh . . . I loved BMX bikes when I was a kid. Hey, it's my passion, so I'm going to make a lot of money out of it. Not.

If you think it makes no sense investing in something purely on the basis that you don't like it then you're one misguided human being. I'm sure many of the world boxing champions didn't much like being repeatedly punched in the face. But hey ho, guess what? They earned so much money for it the that the pain paled into insignificance.

Originally Posted by John Romaine

It's because they're so passionate about their subject matter.

Passion without associated skills and knowledge is worthless.

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

I'm with Travlinguy and John on the point on where a person should first start; the first place I advise people to start is with something that they are interested in . . .

So you think that because a person is interested in a subject that's going to give them a head start. Utter nonsense. You can be the David Beckham of football but that doesn't mean you're good enough to manage Manchester United. I wonder what David Beckham's response would be if here were asked to opt for his preference . . . . $20m playing football next year, or $100m for drainage maintenance duties?

Get a life. Almost everyone would opt for the money aspect. Then when you've earned it you can always indulge in your personal passions . . . with the money to subsidise it.

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

You bring up a good point. Clearly in some niches and markets you do have to at least be competent, if not an expert.

Of course you do. But being competent or an expert in something doesn't mean you have to be passionate about it.

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

Ideally, yes, it would be great to dive into a niche that you already know something about, it does make it a bit easier.

It might make it easier for YOU, but it's no guarantee of success. It's a false sense of security.

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

And I hear you loud and clear on your last point, if something is boring and not fun, then yeah, you won't be motivated.

Anything that earns me more than I earn now would motivate me. Maybe we're cut from a different cloth. That, or you're not truly financially motivated.

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remodeler

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Horny Devil

You're entitled to your opinion, and If you're truly happy making less simply because you feel there's some perverse satisfaction to be gained from satisfying your morals then fine. I'd take the extra money every time, regardless of what it's having to do. You drink your cola between gritted teeth, whilst I drink my champagne with a smile.

You sure ASSUME a lot don't you? Perhaps you need to lay off the champagne before making any further ignorant posts...

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Horny Devil Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by remodeler

You sure ASSUME a lot don't you? Perhaps you need to lay off the champagne before making any further ignorant posts...

Obviously YOU assume a lot. The kind of person that won't dig graves for a living - even though it pays more money - because it's not a "passion". While your kids starve.

If you want to talk ignorance then the mirror is a good place to start.
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- Doug Wakefield 11 years ago
  
  Start with something you like and enjoy, but make sure there is a market for it first. I started out with the World of Warcraft niche, simply due to my knowledge of the topic. As it happened, there were no less than a half dozen products on Clickbank around the niche. It didn't take me too long to move in the right direction.
  
  I tried a few other niches, but never really managed to get them to click like I could that one.
  
  I am going to be stepping into a few niches soon, simply because I am going to be involved in them personally. There is a market for both of them too, so we will see how that goes.
  
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- John Romaine 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Horny Devil
  
  If you want to talk ignorance then the mirror is a good place to start.
  
  I thought given the number of infractions you've already received here, you may have learned the difference between having a "discussion", and insulting people.
  
  Obviously not.
  
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edhuu

11 years ago

go with top profitable niche with desperate buyers. such as weight loss, fitness, dating, etc

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SoloAdMonkey

11 years ago

When I’m trying to decide on a Niche I usually use the Google Keyword tool to find out the competition for my keyword and the amount of traffic I might receive. I also look for things such as “hottest products of the year” and try and come up with a niche that way.

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Randall Magwood

11 years ago

Start with your expertise. Being a TRUE expert in on a particular topic is something that is crazy valuable. Because of your knowledge, you can come up with content on demand, create new products, continuity products, seminars, etc. Finding a hot niche to sell in is a good idea too (you can find ideal niches by searching on Clickbank and Amazon). But starting as an instant expert in something that you already know about can give you leverage.

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silent11100

11 years ago

Things which you like.
Skills you have.

Anything about which you can write one post daily and it should have a quality of information in it. which helps your users.

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mialove

11 years ago

Well, many niches that i am passionate about, are not a "big money" niches, so i don't spend my time on them, even if the interest is there.
On the other hand, it's very important that i will "attract " in to the niche in some way.
If the niche is super boring for me, i just can't make any work done and give value...even if its a huge money potential.

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Alexchan338

11 years ago

start with your hobbies is always the way to go.

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avajo71

11 years ago

Go for something interesting for you. It is that anything that make you money. I like everything that can make me money, except those I don't like to do.

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cooler1

11 years ago

I wonder what David Beckham's response would be if here were asked to opt for his preference . . . . $20m playing football next year, or $100m for drainage maintenance duties?

Obviously playing football.

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