What should newbies focus on if writing skills are their greatest weakness?

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I meant Other than "improving" their writing skills.

So earlier I looked into another thread regarding which part I find to be HARDEST in Internet Marketing & Making Money Online and I would have to say all of them as a newbie, but I voted "Where To Start".

These were the options btw:
Creating A Profitable Email Sequence, Traffic Generation, Making your First Sale, Building A High-Quality List, Creating A High Converting Squeeze Page, Other Technical Stuff - e.g. Blog Creation, HTML etc., Where To Start (MLM, Blogging etc.)

For complete newbies I think all of those are hard.

If writing skills are a newbie's greatest weakness (such as myself, or I feel and think that way when it comes to that requirement), then where do you think they should ideally begin to invest their time and money on?

Would it better for newbies that are not good or comfortable with writing a lot (E.G. writing lots and lots of Articles in a Blog) to focus on learning how to make videos, graphic design, or web design? Or SEO instead?

Not sure what other skills could contribute, but if you can think of any I'm unaware of please let me know.

But I guess sooner or later I'll just have to learn and try to write at least a page or 2 of either reviews or provide information of any products or services I would be promoting once I have made up my mind on where to start and the niche that I have decided to commit to.

The moment I read about how you should start a blog and write lots of content (article after article after article) it reminds me of how back in the days of school and college classrooms of how I'd have to deal with research papers, essays, or open ended questions that want you to write/type something like 10 pages or more. All that writing and paper work I grew very tired of is one of the main reasons I've held back and have not been able to decide to go back to school. I think papers I turned in were typically graded with a result range between C to D- (so yea I remember that they were awful I have to admit, D- is just really barely getting by and narrowly avoiding the dread F grade for Flunking and Failure.)

I've learned and got advice from other IMers, and they suggested that I should just go with something I would be passionate about and then it will make things much easier to commit to writing lots of articles and content. Well I sure hope so, I haven't been in school or wrote much of anything, especially not anything really what I think can even be considered close to quality writing anyway. I never really wrote anything that is original in my last 2 jobs, other than maybe some notes here and there.

I get that for those newbies that already have a strong writing background and are absolutely certain and confident that they have written lots of quality content would have significantly less problems compared to that of those newbies who haven't really wrote much of anything their whole lives that could be considered quality and is not very confident. Or could this be a huge misconception I am having?

And I assume that for any newbie IMer that already have a 'strong' sales background would also have significantly less problems than newbies that lack such sales skills. Because I think that if they already have a sales related background then they may already be familiar with sales pitching and copywriting and they are good to go on that part.

And then I also heard about the possibility of outsourcing writers to get quality articles and content written for your website if writing quality content is something you are terrible at or haven't been able to get any results with your writing. Obviously it's gonna come with ta big catch of being expensive, unless... well if you know a good friend or family member and can form a partnership with them in some way.

And I even read something about article scraper and article spinners but I heard they don't produce anything that is considered quality, so I don't really know. (More Information Overload here)

Any other advice anyone here can give me is much appreciated, thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
    I would recommend building your list, as a primary focus.

    That said, you should also build a blog, so that you have a home for your brand (you).

    As part of your list building efforts, you will have to improve in your ability to convince people to do things, such as opt-in to your list, open your e-mail, click a link, buy from you, and these skills will also be useful with your blog, as you can also sell affiliate products from there.

    The reason that I say the list, is that it is easier to build a list, than to do PPC to drive traffic to your blog. I would say that SEO takes too long to see results generally, and is very time consuming. Nothing wrong with it, but for me, I'd pay someone who loves that stuff to do it for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author WhereDoIEvenStart
      Originally Posted by MartinPlatt View Post

      I would recommend building your list, as a primary focus.

      That said, you should also build a blog, so that you have a home for your brand (you).

      As part of your list building efforts, you will have to improve in your ability to convince people to do things, such as opt-in to your list, open your e-mail, click a link, buy from you, and these skills will also be useful with your blog, as you can also sell affiliate products from there.

      The reason that I say the list, is that it is easier to build a list, than to do PPC to drive traffic to your blog. I would say that SEO takes too long to see results generally, and is very time consuming. Nothing wrong with it, but for me, I'd pay someone who loves that stuff to do it for me.
      The convince requirement is basically development of sales pitch skills, or do I have this wrong?

      I know List Building is a must so that is something I will deal with. The decision on the Profitable Niche must be made first, but I am somewhat indecisive on should I go with what I am passionate about or should I try something else.

      I read that PPC can be really expensive and should be avoided for newbies. At other times they may get lucky, I don't know it's different outcome for everyone.

      Paying someone to do the hard work is Outsourcing methods and tactics. It requires an investment, but hey so does going back to school right? Unless somehow I got enough grants and scholarships to cover it all I may still end up part of the unemployed population after graduation, and same deal here, it's an investment with no guarantee of Return On Investment. They said they cannot "promise" or "guarantee" me a job after graduation, but they do have career services and job placement programs which will do their best to help me find a job. So yea it's the same deal more or less.

      I also read about Middleman methods and tactics and they are very much related to Outsourcing principles. And since Outsourcing is something I've learned something about is aware of now, could that be something for newbies like myself to focus on?
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      • Profile picture of the author MartinPlatt
        Yes, you need to develop your ability to convince somebody to do something, not necessarily buy from you, although ultimately that is your aim.

        Creating a sales page is very different from the sort of selling you do form a list. On a sales page you will want to convince the person that they need to click 'buy now'. In a list, your aim is more to be helpful to your subscriber - here is some information to help you do x. If you buy this software it will take 10 seconds instead of a month. It's a soft sell.

        Yes, of course you need a niche first. otherwise your list building efforts will fail. In terms of list building, if you were going after solo ads for example, it is much easier in the internet marketing niche, than many other niches. It's still possible, just takes a little extra effort. Passion is a good place to start especially if you're starting out, as it can be hard work, and irritating, so having that extra motivation would be useful. It would be even more useful if you already know a lot about the niche, however it isn't mandatory. It just means that you can produce unique content from day one, instead of slowly growing your knowledge.

        PPC isn't expensive as such, or it can be if you don't know what you're doing. As with everything you need to start small, perfect your craft, and scale your successes. A lot of people don't know where to stop when they start - they keep running the same unsuccessful campaign, instead of refining it, until they get the success, then increasing the budgets to increase the sales. It's a great model once you get it, as you will know your numbers, so should be able to predict how much you put in, and what you will get out.

        I wouldn't recommend outsourcing until you understand what you're outsourcing, or at least how to outsource to be able to get the right results. When you're new, mistakes will be costly.

        Personally I wouldn't do any outsourcing until you have some idea of the perils and pitfalls of internet marketing, and how you can avoid them, or unless you have loads of money, and don't care if you loose a little at the beginning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Gram
    If writing skills are your biggest weakness, don't write. Create a video blog and do lots of video. You can work on your writing along the way as well but don't let that stop you from taking action now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Hooper-Kelly
      Hi WhereDoIEvenStart,

      I don't know why your so disparaging about your writing skills: if you wrote that post, then you can write.

      Okay, so you might not be a Hemmingway, but you don't need that level of skill to write on line.

      And Martin is right when he says you should build a list as a first priority.

      But even before that: are you clear about the niche you are going to be active in?

      That needs to be an evergreen niche, which isn't some sort of fad. And it needs to be one where money is already being made.

      Once you've chosen your niche, then create a squeeze page and then attract targeted traffic to it.

      Warmest regards,

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  • Profile picture of the author faisalmaximus
    My own experience says, writing skill is the main weapon. Whatever we do- list building, email marketing, affiliate marketing - it is important to write an offer or proposal which will attract customers. My writing skill is not up to the mark, but I try to focus on my point using easy words which everyone understands easily. For website contents, I always hire someone for better content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kalanag
    As I see on your posts you write well, but you don't like it. So don't enter the content writing field. Don't blog like a maniac. But learn copy writing!

    Try to follow the following steps (blocking out all other opportunities for faster progress):

    1. decide on your niche (There must be money in it. If so can be something you are passionate about). Don't do anything else before you have this clear!
    2. Find a freebie and an affiliate product in this niche, or create something by yourself.
    3. Get a domain name, hosting and AR service and set up a WP blog: squeeze Page with freebie bite and thank you page with (affiliate-) product link on it. Start promoting and build your list.
    4. Set up an autoresponder sequence that builds connection and a responsive list.
    90-10 rule: 90% great content, 10% promotions. Outscource it along outlines you give, if you want, but edit yourself.
    5. Add more affiliate products to your Backend sales funnel.
    6. Create your own product(s)
    7. Start JVs with the other players in your niche.

    So, don't study now how to make SEO, PPC or JVs. Rather concentrate on niche selection. And so on ...
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  • Profile picture of the author ijiyemiolayiwola
    First of all, you need to take control of your mind. There is no how you can start Internet marketing and you won't be overload with information because you are expected to know a lot of things before you make up your mind.

    As to your weekness, you can't do all the important things in Internet marketing, all by yourself. That was the mistake I made when I started in 2008, I wanted to do all even the things I knew I could not because the things that I could not do are the things other Internet marketers are using to make it.

    Finally, I started to make money, I could be proud to show my girlfriend, when I started to outsource the things I could not do and focus on researching different kinds of businesses online. Intact, I make nothing less than $650 every month consistently without doing the work myself.

    Don't accept people's opinion as fact, they will tell you all sorts of things. OUTSOURCING IS NOT EXPENSIVE - don't be mislead. Accepting this opinion as a fact without investigating the opinion before accepting it as a fact. Accepting this opinion was what prolong my success in Internet marketing.

    To your success
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    • Profile picture of the author ijiyemiolayiwola
      I raise my hat for your advice, MartinPlatt. You need to know about outsourcing before you go ahead. Don't be scared of reading and researching because people said you could be overload with information.

      Read and read and read and never forget to take action as you read. It's like saying read and action in between reading. It does not cost anything to test anything people are talking about in Internet marketing; you will only be doing yourself lots of good when you are doing this. I can stand anywhere, boldly, to say the more things you test, the more success you will have. Internet marketers are not scared to test anything out except if they don't have the passion running in their blood.

      I outsourced what I see that works and keep testing other things, while the one I outsource keeps pumping money into my account like an invisible paymaster.
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    • Profile picture of the author ijiyemiolayiwola
      I raise my hat for your advice, MartinPlatt. You need to know about outsourcing before you go ahead. Don't be scared of reading and researching because people said you could be overload with information.

      Read and read and read and never forget to take action as you read. It's like saying read and action in between reading. It does not cost anything to test anything people are talking about in Internet marketing; you will only be doing yourself lots of good when you are doing this. I can stand anywhere, boldly, to say the more things you test, the more success you will have. Internet marketers are not scared to test anything out except if they don't have the passion running in their blood.

      I outsourced what I see that works and keep testing other things, while the one I outsource keeps pumping money into my account like an invisible paymaster.
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  • Profile picture of the author envisionz
    Hi everybody, when I first started out I outsourced my website article content. But after a while, I learned that I can write the content just as easy myself. I think its easier to write for yourself because you know exactly what you want to accomplish with the article. Only practice and repitition gets it done :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author envisionz
    I forgot to add 'research' Super important! Do the research yourself, from several different sources and take notes... put it all together, targeting your keywords... voila! Keep it simple and don't over think it.
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    • Profile picture of the author angela99
      Bless your heart, WhereDoIEvenStart, why are you focusing on weaknesses? We all have them, no one's perfect.

      FWIW, your writing skills are fine. You're a marketer, you're not writing to win the Pulitzer prize. ;-)

      Forget your writing skills. Focus on communication and on marketing basics.

      First the basics. Internet marketing is marketing, which is the marketing mix, known as the 4Ps:

      * Product

      * Price

      * Promotion

      * Place


      So, start with a product. Choose an affiliate product to promote, or create your own product.

      Then get to work and promote whatever it is that you've chosen.

      Tip: choose a product you're enthusiastic about, it doesn't matter what the product is, as long as it has an affiliate program, and is a hot seller.

      As I've said, your writing skills are just fine for Internet marketing. So, go ahead an market something.

      I wish you much success. :-)

      Cheers

      Angela
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  • Profile picture of the author Brendon Zahrndt
    WhereDoI,

    You are all over the place.

    I have been there and without having some semblance of practiced discipline I would still be there.

    When someone is in your position, as I was, it makes sense to go to someone who can help you on an individual basis to get you centered and focused on daily progression.

    That may mean ponying up and getting a mentor, or try to get someone to guide you for free. The free part will be tough but it isn't impossible - both options will still save you time rather than sifting through millions of web pages trying to find the answers to your questions.

    You definitely have the right idea, and writing can and should be outsourced because if you want to scale your business you won't have the time to write anyway.

    Look for someone to give you some guidance and direction and then take consistent action towards your goals.
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    • Profile picture of the author WhereDoIEvenStart
      Originally Posted by Brendon Zahrndt View Post

      WhereDoI,

      You are all over the place.

      I have been there and without having some semblance of practiced discipline I would still be there.

      When someone is in your position, as I was, it makes sense to go to someone who can help you on an individual basis to get you centered and focused on daily progression.

      That may mean ponying up and getting a mentor, or try to get someone to guide you for free. The free part will be tough but it isn't impossible - both options will still save you time rather than sifting through millions of web pages trying to find the answers to your questions.

      You definitely have the right idea, and writing can and should be outsourced because if you want to scale your business you won't have the time to write anyway.

      Look for someone to give you some guidance and direction and then take consistent action towards your goals.
      I get what you mean.

      I won't deny it, it's intimidating despite all the research I've made in the past few months. My mind is all over the place, and I know I need to focus just on one thing at a time and not rush things through as that would be reckless and I'd suffer for it in the end.

      I've been thinking about local options for coaching, mentoring, consulting, etc.

      Maybe I might be able to find someone locally in my area that is currently doing this and is on the right track so then they can guide me and help me with anything that may seem to be too difficult for me.

      Meetup.com could be a place for me to start to try and find a personal coach and mentor for internet marketing.

      I did place an Ad locally on Craigslist a few days back regarding how I want to meet up with anybody that is already earning a stable income full time and get advice from them but I got no replies. That typically happens for me and I don't know why, but I guess Craigslist is unreliable for meeting up with anyone other than for maybe a gig or something.

      I've been warned to not dive right into "shortcuts" and what I meant by shortcuts are expensive options like Done For You Websites and I do not mean the Turn-Key Cheap Low Quality Cookie Cutter Type of Websites, I heard enough about how those offers turns out. Think the latter are typically generated via Software or something, but I don't exactly know for sure. I've looked into 2 of those offers here, and 1 has no feedback yet while another one seemed to had some negative feedback but problems seemed to had been resolved.

      Here are the threads for those examples btw:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...your-work.html

      and this:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...you-sites.html Well more specifically - Done-For-You Website and I am sure there are lots more like these out there.

      Another example of these "shortcuts" I've looked into are Established Websites such as ones that are sold on Flippa which are also even more expensive!!

      I know any cheap offers definitely cannot be legit, and unlikely really going to really produce any ROI but that doesn't mean any expensive or really expensive offers guarantees ROI either. Nothing is ever really guaranteed, and there are just too many outside factors involved, and hard work is unavoidable even if I did go with any of these shortcuts.

      No set it and forget it methods/techniques, because it does not work that way as some or many other "Gurus" had claim it could or should. Their real motive were only trying to sell newbies like myself something.

      One thing I remember to keep in mind is remember to ask myself regarding both DFY and Establish Website offers are Why are they "really" selling the website in the first place? It's obviously they want to make money, but what else? Could there be something going wrong with how their established website is now that they are better off selling it for a burst of profit and leaving the new owner entirely on their own when things get really ugly? There are huge Trust issues here, I don't know for certain which are reputable dealers for any of those offers and are considerate enough to help me afterwards if I had paid them huge amounts of money and is not seeing any kind of ROI, or if something else is wrong that they had kept from me before closing the deal, etc.

      Also, if you or anyone has seen my very first thread here that post is long regarding how much information on internet marketing/making an income from the internet I've got loaded into my mind. And I think I had most of basic concepts right such as identifying a profitable niche and building a list of potential customers that are alread interested in the niche chosen, etc. I remember learning it from Chris Farrell's Free Video reports, and then I read more and try to cross reference it all with what other sources are saying just to be certain it's pointing me in the right direction of understanding how money is actually made with the internet. I remember many sources saying the trick or the secret is "in the list" but I didn't understand what they mean before.

      Thanks to everyone here that have shared their thoughts and given me advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Enfusia
    Originally Posted by WhereDoIEvenStart View Post


    If writing skills are a newbie's greatest weakness (such as myself, or I feel and think that way when it comes to that requirement), then where do you think they should ideally begin to invest their time and money on?
    If writing is your greatest weakness then improve your skills at finding and hiring great writers.

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  • Profile picture of the author Brendon Zahrndt
    Having your radar turned up to the 'shortcuts' is a good thing but don't let it become debilitating.

    Deals can be found and not every WSO is bad - I have had great success with most of the one's I bought and actually followed through with. So keep a guard up but leave some room for error.

    Major corporations write 'shrinkage' (a reduction in inventory due to shoplifting, employee theft, paperwork errors and supplier fraud) into their Profit & Loss statements because they understand it's simply a way of life and there's no getting around it. So they account for it when setting budgets and forecasting goals.

    In your instance, don't be afraid to invest in your internet marketing education because you may or may not get burned. Expect that a certain amount of time it will probably happen and as long as you plan ahead for it and you don't spend your last dollar on an unrealistic quick fix then you will be fine.

    And although Flippa is a necessary tool in your site flipping war chest it doesn't have to be the first place you turn to buy or sell websites - and I see the trend changing slightly to higher quality sites hitting their marketplace slowly over the next 18 months - but that's another topic for another day.

    So the money is in the list. Do you have a list?

    We all know what we don't want in life. Focus on what you do want.

    What is your ideal internet business? The possibilities are endless man, and there are plenty of people who will help you out. We are all in this thing together, remember that.

    Pick out what you want to learn and commit to it.

    You're well spoken (written?) enough to figure this thing out. Think about your business with the end in mind first.

    Looks pretty awesome right?

    Now go and make those thoughts your reality.
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  • Profile picture of the author mialove
    Your writing skills are fine.

    well, my English is poor, and i actually can't even use my writing skills for anything. Every word i make, i need to outsource it, believe me, its a big pain in the ass.
    But , i am good at research, it's enough for me, all the others things - others can do.

    I believe, to make money you need to invest money (or skills )
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Don't work in your business.

    Work on it.

    Be the idea guy.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Given the couple of posts you have written in this thread I would suggest there is nothing wrong with your writing skills, in fact - as someone who deals with hundreds of marketers and information product people who make their living with writing, you are in the top half of the people I would normally deal with.

    Writing (in the traditional literature sense) is not what you are really after, writing simply, clearly to communicate and CONNECT with your target audience is what you are after - from what I can see here, you have that skill already.

    In the odd case where someone really cannot communicate or write effectively, then video or audio are good alternatives, you can also do well with dictation software if you find that you communicate better by speaking.

    Lots of alternatives.

    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author DanteRomero
    Without more clarity, all of this great advice isn't leading you anywhere, unfortunately.

    Where do *you* want to go? If all you want is to make $3,000 a month so you can buy an RV and roam the country side playing guitar, that's a much shorter road... and, quite frankly, I'd therefore recommend very different places to start... On the other hand...

    If you are trying to get into business, for life... and want to run a business and enjoy that... I'd give you a very different set of advice... So, I tell ya what...

    Send me a private message with where you see this going for you, and I'll be glad to tell you what you personally need to look at, for reaching your goals.

    Without this kind of specific focus, you're going to end up burning a lot of time on the wrong things.
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