Do you have RAP feedback . . . ?

by X 33 replies
I'm seriously kicking around going with RAP,
especially with Allen's stamp of approval on
it.

But I have 2 BIG considerations.

1. The affiliate payment setup. With a
50% commission, first buyer's payment
goes 100% to merchant, second to
affiliate, etc.

Wondering how affiliates feel about this.

Plus - immediate payments.

Minus - if you have an odd number of
sales, you're losing commissions.

Also, wondering who eats refunds (though
that was never a problem with 7DS).

2. PayPal payments only. Wondering
if anyone is successfully using RAP that's
NOT in the IM niche and does PayPal only
affect your sales?

Appreciate any other feedbacks and
insights you can offer on Rapid Action
Profits.

Thanks - X
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  • Profile picture of the author wortell
    Originally Posted by X View Post

    I'm seriously kicking around going with RAP,
    especially with Allen's stamp of approval on
    it.

    But I have 2 BIG considerations.

    1. The affiliate payment setup. With a
    50% commission, first buyer's payment
    goes 100% to merchant, second to
    affiliate, etc.

    Wondering how affiliates feel about this.

    Plus - immediate payments.

    Minus - if you have an odd number of
    sales, you're losing commissions.

    Also, wondering who eats refunds (though
    that was never a problem with 7DS).
    for what it's worth, I've looked at nearly 7+ major sales systems - upwards of nearly $1,000+ when you consider what you'd need to function the way one would need/like to...

    and as a programmer who COULD indeed 'Pimp My "Ride"' - so to speak - on the software I'd select, I constantly went back to RAP for NUMEROUS reasons -

    As you said, Immediate payments (no need to explain here)
    Extendibility/Scalability to future development - with it's open architecture and ability to view the source code post-purchase is infathomably useful, and insightful and allows me to customize it the way I need to if need be.
    Modularity of the templating structure, and portability of the add-ons structure is paramount in my books - if the code spans 14 files just to accomplish ONE task!? that's not good succinct coding... but if it's fairly linear and strightforward to follow - I like dealing with that

    Now... onto your points (as I step down from my small matchbox pedestal - sorry) .

    First off... affiliates do not mind at all... the fact that they get paid IMMEDIATELY is the EXACT reason people used 7DS and RAP to begin with...

    Admin's do not mind this at all too - becausee if you want to you can change the % - to 30% or 75% payout to your affiliates - flexiblity is really slick here... i've used that for one of my current products.

    The refunds who ALWAYS be handled by the person who received the funds... in fact, to-date, after roughly a combined purchases for all of my products in the past 8-9 months or so... I've had nearly 4,850+ purchased products thru my RAP sites... I've not had a single issue with refunds not being handled properly... both by myself or the affiliate who returned the purchaser's money... not a one.

    Affiliates know it's a business model - if they need to process a return, they process it.

    the "MINUS" you refer to i'm a little unclear... becuase if you're planning on selling a proudct that is only going to get a few sales... alright... yes... there might be a case where you get creidt for 1 and the affiliate gets credit for two - your 'cut' = 33% of sales... but (i know you know this... but it becomes silly to calculate) if you plan on making nearly 4,850+ sales, then the % cut doesn't really matter... right?

    If you get paid 100 times, and the affiliate gets paid 101 times... does it really matter?
    The sublimely silly and ridiculous helps me figure things out too - that's why the example helps me out



    2. PayPal payments only. Wondering
    if anyone is successfully using RAP that's
    NOT in the IM niche and does PayPal only
    affect your sales?

    Appreciate any other feedbacks and
    insights you can offer on Rapid Action
    Profits.

    Thanks - X
    Uh... personally i've toyed with numerous processors, the point of this whole matter is that if you have affiliates and they want to get paid immediately then they'll be serious and get a paypal business account...

    Seriously... I'VE not had a single affiliate ask me if there was another way that they could be paid.... in fact, some even didn't have a paypal account and after 2-3 days of getting paypal verified business status, they'd come back to me and ask me again for the affiliate signup links



    **** one last note ****
    many other sales systems have "plugins" which are costly, and aren't "supported"... and are very difficult to build but there's no real checks and balances b/w all of them to help mainstream them all to make sure that they don't step on each other's toes... RAP has put out the Add-On architecture which helps all of that process more smoothly.

    didn't mean to make this a salesy response, but i've been where you are, "X", and as I told Sid numerous times, i've never seen a system more simple to use, easy to install, up-n-running in minutes, with the flexibility, low-cost to entry, extendibility and scalability that RAP has... period.

    This is why I build add-ons for my own sites.

    Later, X
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    • Profile picture of the author admin
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      If you haven't bought it yet wait...don't have time to answer anything at the moment but shortly there will be a special offer up for this to forum members...

      I can get Sid to come in and answer these questions for you though..
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      • Profile picture of the author admin
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        Well, getting a little time to read this again I see Bill has answered the questions perfectly...

        So all I can say is "yea what he said" :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi Allen,

          I'm sort of poised to buy - do you have any details on when this special offer is arriving please or is it just 'pending'? Thanks Allen.

          Hi X,

          The forum at the site is set up to be private, but they have deliberately left a couple of sections viewable - the ones where affiliates can go and find products to promote - obviously this allows the sellers a way to 'showcase' their new launches not only to fellow 'rappers' - but also to affiliates who are savvy enough to do this kind of investigation.

          You don't need to think outside the box to guess the url to find this part of the site.

          I found that by perusing these threads, I got a good picture of the different percentages being used -

          EG 100% to affiliate every time front end - OTO 100% to vendor

          or

          100% to affiliate - 50% OTO

          or

          100% alternating between aff/vendor, no OTO

          and more...

          You will also find products to buy/promote to assist with RAP, such as the wizard videos, plugins, a product that teaches how to avoid getting your emails blocked by your host if you use the inhouse email system rather than a third party autoresponder.

          There's obviously also plenty to learn from looking at the RAP sites you will come across.

          I presume you're aware that Allen has a couple of pdfs in his war room that share his ideas/views on this kind of application (I've read them quite a few times - it was these that piqued my interest originally - very inspiring, thx Allen).

          HTH and that I am not treading on any toes mentioning any of these things.
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          • Profile picture of the author Britt Malka
            I have used RAP for a while. I'm very happy that I bought it.

            No complaints from affiliates. They are glad that they can hide their paypal email.

            No refunds. Never have, so I cannot help you on that one.
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          • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
            Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

            Hi Allen,

            I'm sort of poised to buy - do you have any details on when this special offer is arriving please or is it just 'pending'? Thanks Allen.
            See the announcement above the main forum - I, too, am tempted.

            Kindest regards,
            Karl.
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            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
              Hi Karl,

              Thanks a bunch mate...
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              • Profile picture of the author Jag82
                On the points that Bill made - perfectly spot on.

                RAP is easy to set up...easy to get started and running...scalable and more importantly - effective.

                On matters like refunds and pay out, to affiliates, it is a snap. They get paid directly, and quickly. These are important to affiliates and RAP delivers that.

                RAP takes care of the whole marketing process, from offer to product delivery to split testing to affiliate and reselling. It covers a whole range of works with 1 nifty script.

                And the add ons are great. You buy the add ons that fits your strategy without having to fork out more for a script with features you don't need.

                And more recently, RAP is able to handle payment subscriptions. You could use it for membership or for split payment. Ain't that cool? RAP is great! Go get it now that there is a discount!

                Jag

                P.S By the way, the subscription plugin is from Bill. Good job there.
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                • Profile picture of the author wortell
                  Originally Posted by Jag82 View Post

                  On the points that Bill made - perfectly spot on.

                  RAP is easy to set up...easy to get started and running...scalable and more importantly - effective.

                  ....
                  ....
                  ....

                  And the add ons are great. You buy the add ons that fits your strategy without having to fork out more for a script with features you don't need.

                  And more recently, RAP is able to handle payment subscriptions. You could use it for membership or for split payment. Ain't that cool? RAP is great! Go get it now that there is a discount!

                  Jag

                  P.S By the way, the subscription plugin is from Bill. Good job there.
                  Thanks, Jag.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Ryan_Taylor
                    What advantages does RAP have over the $7 script?
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                    • Profile picture of the author LB
                      I just bought last week at regular price...such is life.

                      Sid can hang on to the extra $50 because the script is just that good.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
                        I'm a bit confused about the commissions...

                        The affiliate payment setup. With a
                        50% commission, first buyer's payment
                        goes 100% to merchant, second to
                        affiliate, etc.
                        If I promote a product as an affiliate of someone using RAP I won't receive a commission for my 1st sale? I know it's been explained but I'm embarrassed to say I'm not following.

                        I'm using ClickBank and easyClickMate to manage multiple products under the one account so I can use their affiliate program. For stuff I sell without CB I use e-junkie but not their affiliate program feature because it's lame.

                        Would RAP consolidate all that? I wouldn't think it works with CB.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

                          I'm a bit confused about the commissions...



                          If I promote a product as an affiliate of someone using RAP I won't receive a commission for my 1st sale? I know it's been explained but I'm embarrassed to say I'm not following.
                          If you as the affiliate got the commission for the first sale, you could buy from your affiliate link just to get the product for free and never sell another copy as an affiliate. Paying the product publisher on the first transaction is just a way to stop this from happening. Hope that helps clear things up.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
                          Hi Alan,

                          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

                          I'm a bit confused about the commissions...

                          If I promote a product as an affiliate of someone using RAP I won't receive a commission for my 1st sale? I know it's been explained but I'm embarrassed to say I'm not following.
                          ...
                          Would RAP consolidate all that? I wouldn't think it works with CB.
                          As an Affiliate, you get NOTHING for the first sale, but you get the FULL SELLING PRICE for the second sale. Unlike other programs instead of getting a percentage of the selling price on each sale, you get the full amount for that percentage of your sales. That way you are paid immediately and there are no split payments (which violates Paypal's TOS).

                          RAP doesn't "consolidate" other affiliate programs. It replaces them. You run your own affiliate program, but with no need for periodic payout. The system handles it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
    Hi X,

    Allen asked me to stop in to address your questions, but I think he's right. They have pretty much been answered now.
    Originally Posted by X View Post

    1. The affiliate payment setup. With a
    50% commission, first buyer's payment
    goes 100% to merchant, second to
    affiliate, etc.

    Wondering how affiliates feel about this.

    Plus - immediate payments.

    Minus - if you have an odd number of
    sales, you're losing commissions.
    If they're not impressed - it's because they don't totally understand the payout scheme. For instance, with the 50% commission rate in your example, you stopped short. The merchant gets the first payment just to keep "affiliates" with two Paypal accounts from buying from themselves with no serious intention of ever promoting your product. Giving the affiliate the first payment would result in some number of people doing just that and the merchant might as well be promoting a free offer.

    Extending your example...
    The affiliate also gets the third payment (i.e. Merchant doesn't get paid again until the 4th sale), so the "imbalance" is always in favor of the affiliate. Alternating payments don't begin until after that point (to compensate for the fact that the full first payment goes to the merchant). Other than the first sale, if the affiliate has earned less than the specified rate - he/she is awarded the current sale.

    Refunds are immediately communicated back from Paypal to RAP, and refunds no longer count as sales when calculating the commissions on future sales. That means that if an affiliate refunds a customer they are immediately in line for the next sale to compensate for that loss. With other affiliate systems the merchant would do the refund, but then would withhold the commissions for the refunded sales from any future sales. In other words, the affiliate still participates in the refunded sale.

    I use RAP myself (surprise, surprise), and have only had 1 affiliate who did not honor a request for a refund. I had two choices. 1) Refund the customer myself, or 2) direct the customre to request the refund through Paypal (the affiliates account). I chose #1 in this situation, just because I don't want to leave a bad taste in a customer's mouth, but if you chose #2, Paypal would immediately take steps with the affiliate to refund the customer as long as it is within their 60 refund policy.

    2. PayPal payments only. Wondering
    if anyone is successfully using RAP that's
    NOT in the IM niche and does PayPal only
    affect your sales?
    "Paypal Only" is not a deterrent. Especially in the non-IM niche. Firtst off, more of your consumers have heard of Paypal, than have heard of 2CO, CCBill, 1ShoppingCart, or whatever. A buyer does NOT need a Paypal account to purchase. Paypal accepts the EXACT same payment methods as these other processors, they have a better customer PLUS they have the ability to use an existing Paypal account for payment if the customer happens to have one.

    Hope this helps you, or anyone else contemplating the use of the system - but be sure to look for discount offer that Allen's made available for forum members. It's only valid for a limited time.
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  • Profile picture of the author globalpro
    Hi X,

    Bill has pretty much summed everything that would be related to your question, so I will try to hit you response specifically.

    1. The purpose of the affiliate (and JV partner) payout scheme is simple. The first sale ALWAYS goes to the vendor. The main reason for this is to prevent someone from buying from themselves. After that, the rotation of payouts (100%) alternates according to the % commission you have set.

    The refunds are taken care of, first by the person that received the sale, either the vendor or the affiliate. Most everyone who is using RAP has a clear policy for affiliates. If they receive the sale, they take care of the refund. If it's the vendor, then they do. This can be verified who got the payment from the dales records for the product in the admin area.

    If for some reason the affiliate won't make the refund, most vendors will take care of it in the interest of proper customer relations, then they have the option to ban the affiliate from future sales through the RAP admin area.

    Another great feature of RAP.

    The issue of odd sales/commissions isn't a problem. Instant payout more than makes up for this.

    2. PayPal is widely used by many people. The difference is that it's the only payment processor that can be configured to do what the alternating paymnet schedule does. None of the rest will do this.

    Also, PayPal is becoming more widely accepted by people buying online. You can thank Ebay for helping to make this happen. People buying on Ebay will pay through PayPal, so they will have an account already. Once again, no other payment processor does this.

    With the question of non-IM niches, RAP is strictly a payment processing/affiliate management script that can be used for any type of didgital download product and is used all the way accross the board. It's use is only limited by the user's imagination.

    Personally, I use it for the IM giveaways, as portal sites, sales of physical products, working on integration for ordering/shipping CDs and DVDs (product fulfillment) and whatever ideas may come along.

    Not to sound like a shameless plug, but Bill has a new subsciption add on that is going to open up new possibilities for the use of RAP.

    I think Bill summed it up best when he made the comparison of cost. You won't find anything else out there that, for the money, will do what RAP will do. The best part is that the support Sid Hale provides is beyond compare. He is in this for the long term and I defy anyone to match the level of support he provides.

    If it helps any, I am one of the original beta testers for RAP, have developed a clientele of top name marketers that not only use it, but promote it as well.

    I hope this helps to answer your questions, but if you have any more, I will be glad to answer them.

    Thanks,

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    I have 2 questions:

    1. How does RAP handle upgrades? Will I have to pay if the software is updated?

    2. Is the RAP 'download protection' a replacement for DLGuard? Does it work with DLGuard in any way?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      Thanks Sid and Lance the light finally went off in my head. RAP seems perfect for my IM how to guides site and a report that will be part of Willie's giveaway rebrand site next week. I'm off to purchase and check it out.

      Thanks to Sid and Allen for working out a nice discount. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author globalpro
      Hi,

      Originally Posted by BlueSquares View Post

      I have 2 questions:

      1. How does RAP handle upgrades? Will I have to pay if the software is updated?

      2. Is the RAP 'download protection' a replacement for DLGuard? Does it work with DLGuard in any way?
      1. Upgrades have always been free, unlike most other software.

      2. The download protection is provided by not actually revealing the DL location, but RAP calling it through the download tag. You have the option of placing the download above the root folder for an extra security measure.

      Not sure about DL Gaurd. Maybe someone else can comment.

      Thanks,

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi,

        Does it just work for downloadable products or can it password protect an area? If not, is there an easy way to make it work with DLGuard to do this?

        Many thanks in advance.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi David,

            I was thinking along the lines of setting up a 'free' password protected member area in DLGuard, and then putting the username and password into a file or page which becomes the thankyou page/product that is delivered in RAP.

            So RAP doesn't do protected areas then? Many Thanks.
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              very nice lol
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              • Profile picture of the author ECS Dave
                There's a new add-on that does memberships. I, personally, have not used it yet. I have read some reviews on it that say it's great.

                As mentioned several times in this thread, the add-ons "put the icing on the cake" with RAP. I've been a RAPateer from the get-go, when I met Sid on the 7DS forum, about capturing emails (which RAP does, easily), and responded to a beta-test offer he had made. I haven't looked back!

                Rapid Action Profits is grrrr8!

                Be Well!
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                • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                  Hi,

                  David - Thanks.

                  Dave,

                  There's a new add-on that does memberships. I, personally, have not used it yet. I have read some reviews on it that say it's great.
                  Do you know where I can locate the membership add on you mentioned please? I noticed on the RAP forum there was a thread about one being created (RAPmemberpro?) but the thread fizzled out quite a few months ago.

                  I found this one that doesn't appear to be available yet -

                  Rapateers.com: Your Building Blocks To Financial R.A.P. Success!

                  I also noticed in the forum that the latest news on the guy that runs rapateers is that he's 'gone missing' and some of his addons need upgrading and currently don't work.

                  As mentioned several times in this thread, the add-ons "put the icing on the cake" with RAP
                  Is there somewhere that lists all of the add ons please?

                  I noticed in the forum that it says they are listed on the right of the dashboard, but as I haven't done an install yet I just wondered if there was somewhere else, just out of interest?

                  Thanks in advance.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Popstar
                    How does RAP handle the money?

                    If RAP pays the affiliates directly, does that mean that all payments go into a RAP account first and RAP pays you and the affiliates from there or does RAP have access to your Paypal account to make payments to affiliates automatically?

                    I'm unclear on how the money flow works.

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                    • Profile picture of the author graphicsgenie
                      Originally Posted by Popstar View Post

                      How does RAP handle the money?

                      If RAP pays the affiliates directly, does that mean that all payments go into a RAP account first and RAP pays you and the affiliates from there or does RAP have access to your Paypal account to make payments to affiliates automatically?

                      I'm unclear on how the money flow works.

                      Debbie
                      Debbie,

                      read the first reply

                      Its all explained up there

                      Thanks
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                      • Profile picture of the author Popstar
                        Sorry, it's still not clear to me whether RAP has direct access to the merchant's Paypal account or whether the customer's money flows into a RAP account and funds are disbursed from there?

                        Would appreciate a direct reply even if I'm just missing the obvious.

                        Thanks,
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                        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                          Hi Debbie,

                          You can adjust the system in many ways, but here is an example -

                          50/50 split between affiliate and vendor -

                          Instead of actually splitting the payment, it pays either the vendor or the affiliate alternately (after the third sale - see below).

                          1st sale/payment - to vendor

                          2nd sale/payment - to affiliate

                          3rd sale/payment - to affiliate

                          4th sale/payment - to vendor

                          5th sale/payment - to affiliate

                          Then it continues to alternate.

                          The reason vendor gets payment 1st and the affiliate then gets two is -

                          a) to stop affiliates buying throough themselves ONCE and then disappearing

                          b) by paying affiliate on 2nd & 3rd the affiliate doesn't feel ripped off because if anyone is ever 'ahead' it is the affiliate (after 3 sales)

                          The way it works is simply that the system pays to ONE paypal account for each sale. It doesn't go into a 'RAP' account at all - just directly to a paypal account of either the affiliate OR the vendor - not unsimilar to when you use the 'send money' tab to an email address.

                          The benefit of this to a vendor is that they don't have to manually pay affiliates each month (or whenever) PLUS it's appealing to affiliates because payment is instant - no waiting.

                          Does that make sense?

                          (I'm new to it myself so I hope this is correct.)
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                            Thanks, Roger and David.

                            That completely clears it up for me.

                            Debbie
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                            • Profile picture of the author RichardWing
                              ExRat:::

                              The subscription addon is available from Bill Ortell, a fellow addon
                              developer, from his addon site:

                              The Only PayPal Subscription Add-On for RAP

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                              On a side note I wanted to explain a part of online marketing that
                              isn't discussed a great deal because its not fun to bring up or talk
                              about.

                              For those of us marketers that operate within the US, by law we
                              have an obligation to report commission payouts to any one
                              individual of $600 or more to the Internal Revenue Service.

                              If we run a typical affiliate program we have to ask for social
                              security numbers and keep track of all payouts for the year from
                              all of our sites.

                              If they joined separate affiliate systems from various sites we own
                              we have to reconcile all of the payouts and tally commissions and
                              report those that we pay out 600 or more.

                              This is time consuming and a part of the business that doesn't
                              make anyone money.

                              The trend out there that I have found is that my fellow marketers
                              are not asking for social security numbers and they are exposing
                              themselves to legal fines and IRS troubles.

                              I can speculate a couple reasons off the top of my head why they
                              don't ask for the SSN's.

                              1) They don't know the law
                              2) They are afraid to scare off affiliates from promoting if they
                              require it to complete the affiliate registration process.

                              With Identity theft being a real problem its hard to convince
                              someone that doesn't know you to hand over their SSN.

                              With RAP I am able to totally eliminate that part of my business
                              and allows me to focus more on aspects of my business that will
                              bring in more income.

                              You could argue that because I don't have to manage that and
                              others do (whether they do it or they outsource the tasks) it
                              puts me at a slight advantage.

                              I sleep very well at night.

                              Each affiliate gets paid by the buyer directly and responsible for
                              their own reporting of income. Now I don't have to be MR policeman
                              for the IRS.

                              All I have to do at the end of the year is calculate my income
                              figure out my deductions and pay my taxes.

                              How sweet is that????

                              I Love RAP and eliminating that part of my business is one of the
                              top reasons I will always prefer the "Instant Reseller Payment"
                              business model.

                              Hope this gives you one more reason to join us in making RAP #1

                              To those of us that use it, we already feel that way.

                              Richard Wing
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        Originally Posted by TheToolWiz View Post

        I think this fear is completely unfounded, mainly because RAP itself supports five different degrees of freedom as far as constructing business models, and a 100% commission front-end is only relevant to one of them. Here's what it offers:

        * Separate commissions for front-end and back-end (OTO) sales
        * Separate commissions for affiliates and JV Partners
        * Both free (ie., giveaway) and non-free sales
        * Both 1-tier and 2-tier sales models
        * Equity Partners (up to 2 of them per product)

        It's fair to day that most RAP users are employing only two or three of the most common models. But that's not RAP's fault.

        Also, you don't need RAP to attract an, "influx of *bad* affiliates ... [who] resort to nefarious methods to promote your product". That's more likely to be a reflection of YOUR OWN MARKETING METHODS than whatever script you're using.

        -David
        Hi David,


        Thanks so much for that complete reply
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