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Michael Oksa

16 years ago

Thanks Vijay.

It takes some serious lying in their marketing efforts to promote a product that kills people.

~Michael

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JonathanBoettcher 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Thanks Vijay.

It takes some serious lying in their marketing efforts to promote a product that kills people.

~Michael

Um... what about the drug companies? Aspirin, for instance, kills people every year.

Aspirin risk compares to driving cars, study finds | Reuters

So do a lot of the drugs. Some have killed tens of thousands. But then they've got more lobby money...
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Black Hat Cat Banned 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Thanks Vijay.

It takes some serious lying in their marketing efforts to promote a product that kills people.

~Michael

You mean like aspirin?
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Doc Savage 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

Thanks Vijay.

It takes some serious lying in their marketing efforts to promote a product that kills people.

~Michael

Do you mean like cigarettes?
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- Tina M. Rideout 16 years ago
  
  Quote:"But hey, the supplements are supposed to be taken along with diet and exercise as they speed up the process of your goals.
  
  I believe it because diet and exercise alone rarely works".
  
  So true, individuals are not willing to take a serious look at their current eating habits and lack of physical activity. Although their are tons of websites that deal with trying to educate folks about the benefits of eating better and getting more exercise, people want a quick fix.
  
  Most people don't take any of the information seriously until they develop medical conditions which force them to make drastic changes to their current lifestyle. ie, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, as we all know it is too late to find a quick fix by then.
  
  So the the cycle goes on and on, diet supplements will come and go in a flash.
  
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drm50

16 years ago

Well, it is good that the FDA is at least warning people about the dangers of Hydroxycut.

Now if they would just start doing their job to protect people from these harmful products by simply not allowing them to make it to market in the first place.

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Nonny 16 years ago

Originally Posted by drm50

Now if they would just start doing their job to protect people from these harmful products by simply not allowing them to make it to market in the first place.

You could write your congressman and suggest he promote legislation that would require "dietary supplements" to be tested for safety the same way medications are. As the law stands now, manufacturers just have to assure the FDA that their product is fine, and the FDA can't step in until there is a problem. I don't think that better oversight will happen anytime soon, though, because the dietary supplement lobby is strong. And even if the law was changed, any products currently for sale would likely be grandfathered in.

Of course testing isn't a perfect process either, since side effects affecting a tiny percentage of the population don't show up until many many people start taking the product. It can provide hints to potential problems, though, which is better than the current system.

I do wish people selling the products wouldn't be so credulous of the manufacturers' safety and efficacy claims. Any product, "natural" or not, that significantly modifies human physiology is likely to cause negative side effects in at least some people. If there are absolutely 100% never any side effects, the product is likely not doing what it claims to do.

(Sorry about the rant. I just finished reading an idiotic article at the Huffington Post where the author thinks enemas can fight the swine flu. Coincidentally (not) the author sells colon cleanses and related products. It pisses me off that a high profile blog like HP would give a snake oil seller a platform to spread their ignorance in a time of real medical crisis.)

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- ShayB 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Nonny
  
  You could write your congressman and suggest he promote legislation that would require "dietary supplements" to be tested for safety the same way medications are.
  
  Oh great. So I can pay $100 for a bottle of vitamin C.
  
  No thanks.
  
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  Originally Posted by ShayRockhold
  
  Oh great. So I can pay $100 for a bottle of vitamin C.
  
  Don't forget you'll also need a prescription from your doctor to purchase orange juice.
  
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  jjpmarketing 16 years ago
  
  Here is where I believe the problem resonates from... TV Commercials. All these commercials Pharmaceuticals and Supplements alike run these tv spots that glamorize a drug... yet god forbid they legalize mary jane.
  
  They run these spots making it appear this drug for that problem is the best thing since sliced bread. People that see this run to their doctor and practically beg for the prescriptions... which sometimes they don't even have to pay for as they a lot of times readily provide free samples.
  
  Is this sounding familiar? Possibly stolen marketing from the local drug dealer.
  
  So then after these people just realize they have to have this drug... the free samples are gone and they are stuck deciding whether to pay their mortgage or $400 for just 1 prescription.
  
  There are certain areas of the supplement industry that need to adhere to the same guidelines as the drug companies. Not saying vitamin c needs to be one of them... but all these miracle "enhancement" pills we'll call them and those "lose 30 pounds in 7 days" kind of pills need to be both removed from mass marketing and left up to trained physisicians to decide if it is right for a patient.
  
  All I am saying is how many of these companies have you seen get shut down by whatever organization does that... and yet another "oh we are not like them" company springs right up within months.
  
  This is exactly why "businesses and corporations" need to stay out of politics. But you know and I know that will never change... because the reason this stuff continues is because they have all those congressmen and women you were talking about writing in their back pockets. It is the same reason the banking industry got billions of dollars in the blink of an eye... and the bread and butter (auto industry and suppliers) of working class america is practically gone because they have to bend over backwards to get just 10% of what the bankers got and started pissing away at nothing. But the same people who can't find a job now... won't see one dollar of that money. Because no job. No loan. But don't worry the drug companies will still want their $400 for a prescription that cost them $10... if that.
  
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mdunn123

16 years ago

Wow....I See a HUGE LAWSUIT COMING!!!

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Guitarnut 16 years ago

I'm in no way an advocate of Hydroxycut at all but in regards to the comment about keeping these types of products off the market to begin with...It happens all the time with FDA "approved" pharmaceutical drugs too.
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HeySal 16 years ago

Originally Posted by mdunn123

Wow....I See a HUGE LAWSUIT COMING!!!

Pharmaceutical companies are in lawsuits all the time over drugs that actually kill. Unfortunately - it's the FDA that should be sued for allowing them on the markets -- also unfortunately, they will continue to do so because it's the very companies that produce the dangerous products that fund the FDA, research, and grants and most people can be persuaded easily enough not to bite the hand that feeds them.

Anyone interested in that business might make good bucks by setting up a site that covers all the INDEPENDENT research, sets up petitions to have the item banned, charge people to fax letters to the powers that be. It works for political sites.

There is one site - I think it's called "grassfire.com" or something similar that alerts it's members about unconstitutional activities and writes a stock letter to legislators - then charges members 15 bucks to fax pertinent members of congress for them. They not only make a lot of bucks - they got the two border guards out of jail that were wrongfully imprisoned for doing their job while letting the criminal go free. They sent hundreds of thousands of faxes from angry citizens. Hundreds of thousands times 15 bucks. How much does it cost to send faxes? That's a mean profit machine - and it has purpose.

Who's up to tangling with the FDA? LOL.
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Vijay M

16 years ago

90% of the affiliates promoting this product might not have tested the product. If the feds decide to go get everyone involved, some of these affiliates might find themselves in a tight spot, especially if they are promoting via ppc.

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Craig Fenton

16 years ago

Hi Vijay:

Thanks for the warning to the Warriors. I'm glad the news made it to Yahoo today about the dangers.

This has been going on for such a long time Ephedrine (EPH) was an ingredient in diet supplements that were in the bodies of a couple of athletes that passed away. Several years ago a pitcher for the Baltimore Orioles died and there was a review that I believe showed his system couldn't tolerate the levels.

As always you and family be well.

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J. Barry Mandel

16 years ago

Ephedrine had no business being in diet supplements in the first place since it is not indicated for weight loss.

But, the FDA did do the right thing if so many people have reported liver problems after use

Originally Posted by Craig Fenton

This has been going on for such a long time Ephedrine (EPH) was an ingredient in diet supplements that were in the bodies of a couple of athletes that passed away. Several years ago a pitcher for the Baltimore Orioles died and there was a review that I believe showed his system couldn't tolerate the levels.

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SteveJohnson 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Justin Mandel

Ephedrine had no business being in diet supplements in the first place since it is not indicated for weight loss.

There is quite a lot of research showing the effectiveness for short-term weight loss of the 'ECA stack' (ephedra, caffeine, aspirin). So, as far as it being part of a combination that works for some people, it is 'indicated'.
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John Rowe

16 years ago

I'm sure the pharmaceutical companies with be
funding the research into this.

Pharmaceutical and FDA Buttheads.

FDA: FDA says cherry is a drug.

But hey, the more regulatory power the better, right?

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zerofill

16 years ago

Not giving up my hydroxy cut energy shots, my nos energy shots, my B12 vitamins, my korean ginseng, or my Fish oil pills...hehe

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Matt Helphrey

16 years ago

Thanks Vijay

Right as I opened this thread to read it, the story just popped up on CNN. Good to know and thanks for the heads up.

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consult4u 16 years ago

IMHO the FDA only does things of this nature when a product is cutting to much into the drug cartels(pharmaceuticals) profits.

The FDA rarely does anything nowadays that does not in some way benefits their paymasters(as i am sure most folks here are aware that the drug companies pay about 60% of the FDA expenses.)
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jasonl70

16 years ago

ok - so some researcher thinks it might be from an ingredient derived from a tropical fruit (hydroxycitric acid)... so is the fruit going to be banned? I realize this is a voluntary recall, but it is indicative of the FDA's pattern involving the supplement industry.

The fda and big pharm will stop at nothing to kill the supplement industry.

millions of people have used the product safely - a tiny few have had problems during that time. How many people who are hospitalized each year also happen to eat foods containing XXX (pick ANY ingredient here)?

How many of the hydroxycut users decided that if 1 pill was good, 10 was better? I've seen guys in the past pop ephadrine pills like it was candy - common sense would tell you that this is incredibly stupid to do, yet people DID do it, and some people even died because of it.

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Dan C. Rinnert

16 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonl70

The fda and big pharm will stop at nothing to kill the supplement industry.

millions of people have used the product safely - a tiny few have had problems during that time. How many people who are hospitalized each year also happen to eat foods containing XXX (pick ANY ingredient here)?

How many of the hydroxycut users decided that if 1 pill was good, 10 was better? I've seen guys in the past pop ephadrine pills like it was candy - common sense would tell you that this is incredibly stupid to do, yet people DID do it, and some people even died because of it.

You can die from water intoxication too. Yet, I don't see any one pushing to place limits on access to drinking water.

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Biggy Fat

16 years ago

It's funny because I was JUST going to use Hydroxycut Hardcore in my fat loss program. But it looks like I'll have to find something else.

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Guitarnut

16 years ago

The really amusing part about it all is that the "Big Pharms" that advertise their drugs on TV and elsewhere always have their disclaimer that goes something like this:

May cause headache, nausea, vomiting, joint pain, blurred vision, dizziness, blah, blah, blah. Although rare, there have been some adverse side effects resulting in death.

I guess it's ok as long as the FDA puts their stamp of approval on it.

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ShayB

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Guitarnut

The really amusing part about it all is that the "Big Pharms" that advertise their drugs on TV and elsewhere always have their disclaimer that goes something like this:

May cause headache, nausea, vomiting, joint pain, blurred vision, dizziness, blah, blah, blah. Although rare, there have been some adverse side effects resulting in death.

I guess it's ok as long as the FDA puts their stamp of approval on it.

Yeah, I know.

And some of the diseases they are for are relatively minor. :confused:

Why would a take a drug to help me produce my own tears (rhymes with fears - for the eyes) if a possible side effect is stroke and/or dying? :confused:

Mourner at funeral: Gosh, it's a shame Shay croaked from using that prescription drug.

Other mourner: Yeah, but her acid refux was doing much better.

*shakes head*

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Lindsay Brynn

16 years ago

Originally Posted by ShayRockhold

Yeah, I know.

And some of the diseases they are for are relatively minor. :confused:

Why would a take a drug to help me produce my own tears (rhymes with fears - for the eyes) if a possible side effect is stroke and/or dying? :confused:

Mourner at funeral: Gosh, it's a shame Shay croaked from using that prescription drug.

Other mourner: Yeah, but her acid refux was doing much better.

*shakes head*

I think my favorite is the one for restless leg syndrome that might make you act promiscuous and get a gambling addiction.... but you won't be feeling the need to move your legs!

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ShayB

16 years ago

Originally Posted by linm

I think my favorite is the one for restless leg syndrome that might make you act promiscuous and get a gambling addiction.... but you won't be feeling the need to move your legs!

ROTFLMAO

That is hilarious. I don't think I have seen that one.

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Lindsay Brynn 16 years ago

Originally Posted by ShayRockhold

ROTFLMAO

That is hilarious. I don't think I have seen that one.

I laugh every time I see that commercial. Of course they use different - more technical wording but it is basically what they are saying. I keep telling my husband he better not run off the Vegas and then claim he is innocent and just on Restless leg meds.
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cmbwealth

16 years ago

Isn't it amazing that a health food gets this kind of exposure, yet there are known drugs on the market that the FDA baned, but later changed their minds, and allowed to be mass produced - as long as there was a warning. ie: a person talking really fast that you can't understand works for them.

Blows my mind!

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tommygadget

16 years ago

This issue is simply about money. The large drug companies' weight loss products were soundly trounced by ephedra based products. The weight loss industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and big drug co., inc. were losing big to the small guys with the killer product. Just because some idiot takes half the bottle and goes out in 90 degree weather to play sports full on does not mean the product is inherently unsafe. And as someone pointed out, you would be astounded to learn how many people drop dead every year after taking aspirin, ibuprofen and a whole assortment of drugs that have been called "safe". Tell the FDA to go shove it. They don't care about us, they're puppets of big drug co., inc.

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yoshiko

16 years ago

I actually steer clear away from affiliate diet products. A marketing pitch is just what it is, a marketing pitch, with due respect and no offense.

I just want to have peace of mind on whatever I promote. We Internet marketers must strike a balance between money and conscience.

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Floyd Fisher

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Vijay M

FDA warns dieters: Stop Hydroxycut use immediately
FDA: Dieters should stop Hydroxycut use now

Isn't this product being sold retail?

Why would anyone here be promoting it for, unless they own a store? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Floyd Fisher

Isn't this product being sold retail?

Why would anyone here be promoting it for, unless they own a store? :confused:

I thought a lot of folks promote it as an affiliate.

Going by your logic, nobody should be promoting books,tv's,electronics etc online,because they are all being sold in retail stores.
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Banned 16 years ago

They run these spots making it appear this drug for that problem is the best thing since sliced bread. People that see this run to their doctor and practically beg for the prescriptions... which sometimes they don't even have to pay for as they a lot of times readily provide free samples.

I know, right. I mean, everytime I see a commercial for the latest birth control pill, I start jonesin' for some free birth control samples....and I'm not even a woman.

Damn pharmaceuticals and their commericials...don't they know people can't think for themselves?

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jjpmarketing

16 years ago

Originally Posted by blackhatcat

I know, right. I mean, everytime I see a commercial for the latest birth control pill, I start jonesin' for some free birth control samples....and I'm not even a woman.

Damn pharmaceuticals and their commericials...don't they know people can't think for themselves?

I'm just saying they shouldn't glamorize prescription drugs. They promote it like its something that people really need when in a lot of cases they don't need it.

I'm not saying people can't think for themselves... but there are some less educated people that have the mentality that everything they hear on tv or radio is the truth word for word even when it may opinionated (is that a word?) or highly debatable.

It is these people that would fall victim to these commercials. I just feel that these commercials fall into the "giving medical advice" category which should be left up to a person's primary care physician... not the pharmaceutical company that is trying to sell the drugs. It should apply to supplements as well.

But this argument is only the tip of the iceberg. There are other areas where mainstream media needs to be put in check. But its late... and i'm too tired to open that can of worms.

As I type this, a pharmaceuitical company is coming up with a drug to solve that problem for me... however minor it might be.

Do you have blurry vision? Been spending too much time on the WF? Did you forget to bump your WSO again?

Then you need WF-osec XT. It will make you type faster with less typos and your WSO's will automatically bump themselves... daily.

Look at Sheila... (as she dances around in a bikini no less) She is happy and has the vision of a hawk now... and get this her WSO sales tripled after she started taking WF-osec XT. Now life is just peachy for her.

Please be aware... in some rare cases WF-osec XT causes constant nausea, uncontrollable diarrhea, and poltergeists may suck you into your computer screen.

Talk to your Doctor about how WF-osec XT can help you!

...and I just laughed at my own joke. Side effect of sleep deprivation I think.

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Anthony Robinson

16 years ago

I think one thing that we can all take from this is to be careful about what you promote, particularly when it deals with a persons health. I know there are some that couldn't care less about possible ramifications as long as there's a buck to be made, but that type of thinking tends to catch up with you sooner or later.

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LB

16 years ago

There is no money in supplements for the pharma oligarchy that relies on the abuse of the patent system to bludgeon their way to wealth on the backs of those they kill and cripple.

We don't need more regulation from those who have already shown their incredible disregard for the law and the well being of those they supposedly protect.

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Aaron Elliott

16 years ago

This product (well the original version that killed the kid) had a tonn of caffeine in it - which would dehydrate anyone fast without drinking a heap of water. The liver will also suffer. this applies to most supplements, espically if you arent increasing water intake.

Ive had a few mates use this and one in particular would start sweating as soon as he walked any where, at normal walking pace. He did however, loose about 8kg.

Floyd Fisher you can buy this product on the web, online supplement stores - so you could easy promote it.

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Ty Wagner

16 years ago

This is to bad because Hydroxycut works! There are thousands of people that use it and only 1 death is known to be the cause of using it. That would make hundreds of over the counter drugs more dangerous than this weight loss pill.

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Kay King

16 years ago

Looking into the real facts I think we are just having another fear fest.

9 million of this product were sold last year.

Linda Katz of the FDA's food and nutrition division said the agency has received 23 reports of liver problems, including the death of a 19-year-old man. The teen died in 2007 and the death was reported to the FDA this March.

No facts found about what dosage the 19 yr old took - for how long - etc.

What we over react to next? I can hardly wait to see.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by dbbrock1

I laugh at all the suckers who have to resort to some special diet pill to lose weight.

Its funny to me that all the Lazy people think that all they need to do is eat a crap load of supplements to be a completely healthy adult.

No supplement can ever replace good old fashioned working out. Get off your lazy butt and do something !

Spoken like a true idiot.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by dbbrock1

I laugh at all the suckers who have to resort to some special diet pill to lose weight.

Its funny to me that all the Lazy people think that all they need to do is eat a crap load of supplements to be a completely healthy adult.

No supplement can ever replace good old fashioned working out. Get off your lazy butt and do something !

But hey, the supplements are supposed to be taken along with diet and exercise as they speed up the process of your goals.

I believe it because diet and exercise alone rarely works.

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ken_p

16 years ago

oh wow! this is scary. thank you for sharing,. I am myself, is a buff craze, and i've done a lot 'mild dieting' but i've never tried this stuff.i try as much as possible, to read the ingredients before i try anything. But with marketing so steep now a days, you cant really be sure, that they are really being honest with their product.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by jasonl70

The fda and big pharm will stop at nothing to kill the supplement industry.

Well said. Oh how true this is.

Originally Posted by Nonny

You could write your congressman and suggest he promote legislation that would require "dietary supplements" to be tested for safety the same way medications are. As the law stands now, manufacturers just have to assure the FDA that their product is fine, and the FDA can't step in until there is a problem. I don't think that better oversight will happen anytime soon, though, because the dietary supplement lobby is strong. And even if the law was changed, any products currently for sale would likely be grandfathered in.

Of course testing isn't a perfect process either, since side effects affecting a tiny percentage of the population don't show up until many many people start taking the product. It can provide hints to potential problems, though, which is better than the current system.

I do wish people selling the products wouldn't be so credulous of the manufacturers' safety and efficacy claims. Any product, "natural" or not, that significantly modifies human physiology is likely to cause negative side effects in at least some people. If there are absolutely 100% never any side effects, the product is likely not doing what it claims to do.

(Sorry about the rant. I just finished reading an idiotic article at the Huffington Post where the author thinks enemas can fight the swine flu. Coincidentally (not) the author sells colon cleanses and related products. It pisses me off that a high profile blog like HP would give a snake oil seller a platform to spread their ignorance in a time of real medical crisis.)

- Peggy

You need to open your eyes lady and get the real facts before you make sweeping statements like this. You are ignorant and stupid in my opinion. If you had the real facts about the large pharmaceutical companies and how they manipulate the health industry you may change your mind. Anyway, I won't waste any more time explaining to someone as obviously blinkered and narrow minded as you.

Originally Posted by Guitarnut

May cause headache, nausea, vomiting, joint pain, blurred vision, dizziness, blah, blah, blah. Although rare, there have been some adverse side effects resulting in death.

I guess it's ok as long as the FDA puts their stamp of approval on it.

Yes, it makes you sick doesn't it. Pun intended.

Originally Posted by tommygadget

This issue is simply about money. The large drug companies' weight loss products were soundly trounced by ephedra based products. The weight loss industry is a multi-billion dollar industry and big drug co., inc. were losing big to the small guys with the killer product. Just because some idiot takes half the bottle and goes out in 90 degree weather to play sports full on does not mean the product is inherently unsafe. And as someone pointed out, you would be astounded to learn how many people drop dead every year after taking aspirin, ibuprofen and a whole assortment of drugs that have been called "safe". Tell the FDA to go shove it. They don't care about us, they're puppets of big drug co., inc.

TomG.

Tom - you speak mucho trutho.

Originally Posted by LB

There is no money in supplements for the pharma oligarchy that relies on the abuse of the patent system to bludgeon their way to wealth on the backs of those they kill and cripple.

We don't need more regulation from those who have already shown their incredible disregard for the law and the well being of those they supposedly protect.

The sooner the people of America wake up to the abuses by the large drug companies who are purely money motivated and rip off tax payers and honest working citizens, the better.

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consult4u

16 years ago

With all this being said the supplement industry is going to boom as it almost always does in time of great financial distress(read depression).

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gareth

16 years ago

Ok so how many got liver damage from hydroxycitric acid....

... and how many did not get liver damage or heart disease because of the fat loss from using hydroxycut ???

Also how many millions of packages have been sold ... and how many problems reported to FDA ???

Why doesn't FDA deal with tequilla, vodka, etc dietary supplements first, I hear they kill a lot more people.

PS: will I take Hydroxycut or any hydroxycitric acid products now - no fricken way.

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goalpower

16 years ago

the problem comes when people overdose on these nutritional supplements. I've done it before with ephedrine products and just about passed out - it was my own stupid fault. People should read the label and follow it.

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Mike Hill

16 years ago

Wow, that's shocking news for sure... In my body building days I tried all of MuscleTech's products. I did try HydroxiCut for a few months but I saw better results with EAS products.

BetaGen, Phosphagen and HMB... plus a little L-Glutamine at night time... Great combo for all those Gym Rats

I've been out of the gym for about 6 years now and am looking to get back in there, of course I'll be creating a product in that area as well...

Mike Hill