This is how you get SCAMMED online!

by FortyNick 75 replies



STOP AND THINK!
STOP AND THINK!
STOP AND THINK!
STOP AND THINK!
STOP AND THINK!
STOP AND THINK!
STOP AND THINK!

How many of the above example have you seen so far? Hundreds, right?

What if I told you there are numerous threads on marketing forums that teaches you exactly how you can scam people out of their money by selling them a pipe-dream. Complete guides that teaches you the Psychological triggers to use, how to setup a salespage (Like the above) to trick innocent people out of their money.

They will even do it in a way, so you thank them for 600 pages of useless information that they probably put together from 50 different sources to have a product of their own.

Exact copy/paste from the scamming guide:
There is another angle. A person who is reading a PDF file that he paid $47 bucks for is paying attention. You have a captive audience, so make a sales pitch. Tell him that he can raise his earnings “up a notch,” or “take it to the next level” or some other bullshit phrase that sounds good. Then offer him some other stuff. Make sure your pitch about his imaginary wealth takes it to the next level, too, so he thinks he is going to get even richer than before.
(Do any "OTO's" come to mind?)

Just ONE of these scamming guides has been read by more than 110,000 people. How many dishonest people do you think are among these, that would actually put it to use?

This Forum is visited by tens of thousands of people every single day. It's a great place for scammers to lurk around - Be cautious what you buy into, not everything is what it seems to be.

I have recognized far too many of the examples I just made above, even here on WF.

This is in no-way discrediting any of the current WSO's that are built up in this way. Simply a friendly tip for anyone out there looking to get into IM. Be very cautious what you buy into. Always get as much information as possible about the product you're going to purchase. If the information is vague, it's usually not a good sign.

I spent 10 minutes, making the ad above. If I had spent a bit longer, removed the sarcasm and the obvious joke-text. I would have an A+ ad that hundreds of people would fall into immediately.
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  • Profile picture of the author manson911
    I have seen many scams like that, funny thing today just by accident I asked my Mom what was she doing, she said I am purchasing a guide how to earn 5000 months. Well it was pure luck i was there to stop.

    Moral of the story, in my country we have different languages so we did not have scam like that only until recently, now scams like this you can find in every language. It scares me how older people fall for this.

    p.s. It was very similiar site to the one you have made, because they all similar, happy people, photo of checks, bank accounts with huge amount money and so on.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    There are scams in every form of life. Internet Marketing is just one of them. Most scams rely on those who are vulnerable or naive. Think with your head and not with your heart. Use common sense and you should be fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluebagger
      Where is the buy button?.....lol
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    • Profile picture of the author serryjw
      Use common sense and you should be fine.
      I just don't understand HOW anyone can fall for this. Is it REALLY that easy to make $500K/annually?
      Anyone watch American Greed on CNBC? How do intelligent, educated people fall for these scams.? They break EVER rule of investing.
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    • Profile picture of the author hsbinmarket
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      There are scams in every form of life. Internet Marketing is just one of them. Most scams rely on those who are vulnerable or naive. Think with your head and not with your heart. Use common sense and you should be fine.
      Red lines carry real meaning and encouraging for all, who feel fear to move in the field of IM. Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Dave,
        While it's understandable one feels very strongly about this topic, people can argue or debate it without necessarily insulting one's character, right?
        I'd be satisfied if they read what they were responding to. Like the part of that post where I said I'd make all income promises forbidden here if it were up to me.

        Hard to be much clearer on the subject.

        Ross's initial assumption was understandable. I'm the only one of the mods who regularly talks publicly about how the system here works, so it's not entirely silly to think I'm somehow involved in the forum's finances. It just happens to be wrong.

        His response to my additional information was not unusual: "That doesn't fit with my preconceptions, so it must be a lie."

        I think the world will be much better off when schools start teaching that the way to correct a gap in one's information is to look for additional facts, rather than forming assumptions without basis and presenting them as truth.

        I don't hold out much hope of that happening any time soon.


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    • Profile picture of the author Nicole Nahi
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      There are scams in every form of life
      ...yes but Internet Marketing seems to have its fair share of Charlatans..
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    Common sense is all you need.
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  • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
    Nice work lol. I'm really enjoying the "WSO", maybe I might even buy it!

    However, scams and unsubstantiated claims have been made....forever. It's just that with the opening up of the internet to the public in the last 25 years, it just gives people another avenue to scam.

    Unfortunately, there will always be gullible people, who don't use their processing centers (brains) to actually parse out whether the info is true or now.

    Just how life is
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  • Profile picture of the author FortyNick
    From my point of view, WF should heavily clean up their WSO section.

    Perhaps implement some sort of product quality check, before WSO's are launched.

    For those of us with an ACTUAL product, it's impossible to use "white-hat" marketing techniques, because every other thread is promising away millions (which people fall for), so when you have a real opportunity, and you don't want to mislead your customers, it won't shine through in the jungle of promising millionaire makers.

    If John Doe wants to get into marketing and he's presenting with 30 offers promoting him to copy/paste methods that made other people 50,000$ in a month. And a single one with a realistic promise. He will still pick one of the 30 others, because greed makes John naive. So once he finds out that doesn't work, John will try out maybe 5 other millionaire-makers before he finally gives up. Leaving any real opportunities left behind.
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    • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
      Originally Posted by FortyNick View Post

      From my point of view, WF should heavily clean up their WSO section.

      Perhaps implement some sort of product quality check, before WSO's are launched.

      For those of us with an ACTUAL product, it's impossible to use "white-hat" marketing techniques, because every other thread is promising away millions (which people fall for), so when you have a real opportunity, and you don't want to mislead your customers, it won't shine through in the jungle of promising millionaire makers.

      If John Doe wants to get into marketing and he's presenting with 30 offers promoting him to copy/paste methods that made other people 50,000$ in a month. And a single one with a realistic promise. He will still pick one of the 30 others, because greed makes John naive. So once he finds out that doesn't work, John will try out maybe 5 other millionaire-makers before he finally gives up. Leaving any real opportunities left behind.
      I think the Warrior Forum should implement a rating system for all WSO's.

      They could make it so that only product purchasers could rate the WSO.

      I'm thinking it could have a few variables:

      The product delivered on its promise. [Rate 1 to 10]
      The product provided real value. [Rate 1 to 10]
      I am satisfied with my purchase overall. [Rate 1 to 10]

      Etc.

      I don't know how they would implement this, but it could definitely clean up the WSO section and prevent a LOT of scams from going on for very long. They could also set it up like Amazon reviews where you can read specific reviews and see how many people rated it at 1 star, 2 stars, 3, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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      Originally Posted by FortyNick View Post

      From my point of view, WF should heavily clean up their WSO section.

      Perhaps implement some sort of product quality check, before WSO's are launched.

      For those of us with an ACTUAL product, it's impossible to use "white-hat" marketing techniques, because every other thread is promising away millions (which people fall for), so when you have a real opportunity, and you don't want to mislead your customers, it won't shine through in the jungle of promising millionaire makers.

      If John Doe wants to get into marketing and he's presenting with 30 offers promoting him to copy/paste methods that made other people 50,000$ in a month. And a single one with a realistic promise. He will still pick one of the 30 others, because greed makes John naive. So once he finds out that doesn't work, John will try out maybe 5 other millionaire-makers before he finally gives up. Leaving any real opportunities left behind.
      Quite interesting to so so many new internet marketers thinking IM/Online business is some magic ATM they can cash out whenever they want. Probably from all the hyped up claims...no work $100 in 5 days!!!

      Most don't realize that online businesses carry risk and reward as real businesses as well. (he who sows abundantly reaps abundantly.) There are some who make a big break though but in general most take some time with the learning curve.

      Too many people are looking for the quick buck and run for all the hyped up, shiny sales page still.
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  • Profile picture of the author FortyNick
    Absolutely.

    WF should do thorough checks of products that are going to be featured in the WSO.

    If any claims are made, these claims must be evaluated if they are realistic based on the business model presented.

    Titles and ads should be cleaned up to only show and tell exactly what the product is.

    Not a title like [WSO OF THE DAY] I MADE $300,000 LAST MONTH, HERE'S MY SYSTEM.

    Well, guys. Nobody makes $300,000 without already having been in the business for years and having built a huge list/product already. Even if that person gives out his exact methods, they would be no where near replicable for 99,99% of the buyers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
      Originally Posted by FortyNick View Post

      Absolutely.

      WF should do thorough checks of products that are going to be featured in the WSO.

      If any claims are made, these claims must be evaluated if they are realistic based on the business model presented.

      Titles and ads should be cleaned up to only show and tell exactly what the product is.

      Not a title like [WSO OF THE DAY] I MADE $300,000 LAST MONTH, HERE'S MY SYSTEM.

      Well, guys. Nobody makes $300,000 without already having been in the business for years and having built a huge list/product already. Even if that person gives out his exact methods, they would be no where near replicable for 99,99% of the buyers.
      It would be near impossible for the WF mods to check every product before it went on sale.

      Though another forum I visit has a rule that any make money systems must be backed up with a video showing the system in action and actually working....it has next to no make money products listed in it and a ton of SEO / link building and other services instead.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by FortyNick View Post


        Nobody makes $300,000 without already having been in the business for years and having built a huge list/product already.
        I wouldn't say "nobody." You obviously have not explored all the corners of IM very well.


        Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

        I think the Warrior Forum should implement a rating system for all WSO's.

        They could make it so that only product purchasers could rate the WSO.
        So I can go tell all my friends to go purchase and rate me high and then I'll refund them all - and I'll do the same for them?

        BTW, how is WF going to know who bought my product?

        Think about your local paper/classified for a moment here. Should the newspaper have to go examine the business placing the ad in the paper before taking their money? Should the newspaper demand for reviews of the business from outsiders in order to let the ad continue? Doesn't the newspaper have enough to do? They run classifieds to generate revenue - not out of the kindness of their hearts for the community and local businesses.

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        I give people more slack when they're talking to me.
        You spell rope real funny.
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        • Profile picture of the author FortyNick
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          I wouldn't say "nobody." You obviously have not explored all the corners of IM very well.
          I of course misspoke. What I meant was, there is no "software/secret" that will magically give you to chance to replicate other peoples $300,000 success within a few weeks.

          Someone who has been in the business for several years, built himself a small empire and now makes $50,000/month, could easily give away his "secrets" but nobody would ever be able to replicate that within a short period of time.

          The only secrets there are = work hard.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    People fall for scams all the time, just look at who's in the White House right now. His whole campaign was a walking talking squeeze page.

    Anyway, back on topic ... It doesn't necessarily make something a scam simply because they use this style of copywriting. The scammers didn't invent the "squeeze page", they simply took what worked and used it to perpetuate their scams. The fact is the message resonates with a lot of people, because those of us who have found success online have likely gone through a ton of failures before getting there, and those of us who haven't would love to have access to the mind of someone who's "been there" and skip all of that trial and error. There are two ways to make money in this world ... you can monetize your labor, or you can monetize your knowledge. I try constantly to teach this to web designers, because they all have a tendency to charge for their time but not for the knowledge they have acquired.

    The wealthiest people in the world are wealthy because they KNOW things other people don't, not because they're sitting there "doing the work". But not everyone is at that point in their career path yet, so their only way to make an income is to monetize their labor, and that's where the perfect blend of teacher and student come together and win. Those who feel more comfortable monetizing their labor can do so by getting access to the knowledge of someone who's already been there.

    Knocking the pitch style simply because it's "also used by scammers" is like saying you shouldn't use PayPal because scammers also use PayPal to launder money. The key is to do your homework, and look at WHO is posting. If Donald Trump wrote a book revealing the secret formula he uses to buy commercial real estate and flip it for a profit, people would listen, because they know he's done it successfully.
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    • Profile picture of the author serryjw
      His whole campaign was a walking talking squeeze page.
      I was taking a sip of soda when I read this...The soda is all over my desk!
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  • Profile picture of the author RosuC
    The problem is that the honest sellers are not taking in consideration just because they're not capable to offer the "miracles" as all the fake one are giving.
    I have the same problem in trying to explain to others that there are no miracle neither in Software, neither in Real Estate and, of course, neither in REAL LIFE.
    Thank you for this post but still will be few that will read and will be fewer that will take a lesson from it. We're all running for the Mermaids and we're hoping that they will kiss us )))
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  • Profile picture of the author FortyNick
    I see what you're saying Ron - and I never said that just because people are using this setup to build an ad, it means they are scammers.

    I however think, if you're a serious seller, with a serious product, you should focus on selling the actual product and not the promise of getting rich beyond reality. That's where most scammers are filtered out.
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  • Profile picture of the author RockNRolla
    Haha, nice work breaking down the good old fashioned sales page there. I especially like the picture of the guy standing next to someone else's Ferrari!
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    • Profile picture of the author cyberma
      I got scammed a few times too. Last time it was with empower network. But it is not because I am silly . I wanted to give it a try and especially learn something new. I fully understand that there are no easy money.

      I also got scammed while selling a physical product abroad. And the worst part of that - no one was willing to help me - post office, police, they just let it go. Some experiences seem to be way too expensive.

      I love one WSO in this forum, where you need to pay $100 just to learn how much will the personal coaching be What in a world is that? And the explanation is to separate those active and willing to move to the next level and to higher earnings. OMG!
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by FortyNick View Post

    What if I told you there are numerous threads on marketing forums that teaches you exactly how you can scam people out of their money by selling them a pipe-dream.
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    • Profile picture of the author options
      I thought I was in the WSO section for a minute there...
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  • Profile picture of the author preets
    The world is full of scams. But the truth is that when you go for genuine products there are no sale. I am from India and skin color is very important in our country. So there is a huge market of products which makes skin fairer. These advertisements are so hyped that despite the known truth people buy them madly. But what if these companies say that there is no magic but yes these products will keep your skin nourished and good looking. I bet, there will hardly be any sales to even get them at their break even point.

    There are lot of WSO's which are hyped and have good sales (100s of copies first day). But there are genuine WSO's also whose sales copy does not claim any hyped unbelievable promises have either no or very low sale.

    So I think the author is forced to make a hyped sales copy to get their sales. But this way the genuine ones are the most affected.

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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      The word "scam" is used far too broadly these days, and I wonder about the intelligence levels of those who cry "scam" at any given opportunity:

      WSO hasn't worked for me . . . scam!
      Mentor didn't make me money . . . scam!
      MLM returned nothing . . . scam!
      Free Traffic system a waste of time . . . scam!

      You get the picture. And it's the same offline:

      Plumber left the tap leaking . . . scam!
      Mechanic sold me a faulty car . . . scam!
      Builder left my wall wonky . . . scam!
      Wrinkle cream didn't work . . . scam!


      Listen up people. The majority of these are not scams at all, it's called LIFE. People have offered goods and services since time immemorial and there has always been fair goods and services, and crap goods and services. It's up to each individual to use due diligence before opting for either, and as human beings are the most advanced creatures on the planet with the ability to think and reason, why don't you simply USE YOUR BRAIN.

      There are two types of sellers:

      * Honest sellers
      * Dishonest sellers

      There are two types of buyers:

      * Smart buyers
      * Foolish buyers

      Do the maths. There are only four possible outcomes. Here's the preschool explanation for those who still don't get it . . .

      Honest seller meets smart buyer = no problem
      Honest seller meets foolish buyer = no problem
      Dishonest seller meets smart buyer = no problem
      Dishonest seller meets foolish buyer = PROBLEM

      So what does this tell you?

      It tells you that it's not the honest seller, the dishonest seller, or the smart buyer that's the problem. It's the FOOLISH BUYER.

      Without foolish buyers the dishonest seller has no-one to sell to. Without foolish buyers the dishonest seller wouldn't exist. But as long as there are foolish buyers, dishonest sellers will flourish.

      It's far easier to educate foolish buyers than eradicate dishonest sellers. Unfortunately that's not going to happen. As long as there's still a good quota of stupid, single braincell fools who dive unprotected into shark infested waters, there will be sharks there to eat them.

      If you've been scammed don't look to the WF for support, and don't look to government or law enforcement agencies either. None of these can ever change what's happened or fully prevent it happening again in the future. That's a fact.

      Instead, look in the mirror. There you'll find the only person in the whole world who can GUARANTEE you'll never be scammed again.
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      • Profile picture of the author samrand
        Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

        The word "scam" is used far too broadly these days, and I wonder about the intelligence levels of those who cry "scam" at any given opportunity:

        WSO hasn't worked for me . . . scam!
        Mentor didn't make me money . . . scam!
        MLM returned nothing . . . scam!
        Free Traffic system a waste of time . . . scam!

        You get the picture. And it's the same offline:

        Plumber left the tap leaking . . . scam!
        Mechanic sold me a faulty car . . . scam!
        Builder left my wall wonky . . . scam!
        Wrinkle cream didn't work . . . scam!


        Listen up people. The majority of these are not scams at all, it's called LIFE. People have offered goods and services since time immemorial and there has always been fair goods and services, and crap goods and services. It's up to each individual to use due diligence before opting for either, and as human beings are the most advanced creatures on the planet with the ability to think and reason, why don't you simply USE YOUR BRAIN.

        There are two types of sellers:

        * Honest sellers
        * Dishonest sellers

        There are two types of buyers:

        * Smart buyers
        * Foolish buyers

        Do the maths. There are only four possible outcomes. Here's the preschool explanation for those who still don't get it . . .

        Honest seller meets smart buyer = no problem
        Honest seller meets foolish buyer = no problem
        Dishonest seller meets smart buyer = no problem
        Dishonest seller meets foolish buyer = PROBLEM

        So what does this tell you?

        It tells you that it's not the honest seller, the dishonest seller, or the smart buyer that's the problem. It's the FOOLISH BUYER.

        Without foolish buyers the dishonest seller has no-one to sell to. Without foolish buyers the dishonest seller wouldn't exist. But as long as there are foolish buyers, dishonest sellers will flourish.

        It's far easier to educate foolish buyers than eradicate dishonest sellers. Unfortunately that's not going to happen. As long as there's still a good quota of stupid, single braincell fools who dive unprotected into shark infested waters, there will be sharks there to eat them.

        If you've been scammed don't look to the WF for support, and don't look to government or law enforcement agencies either. None of these can ever change what's happened or fully prevent it happening again in the future. That's a fact.

        Instead, look in the mirror. There you'll find the only person in the whole world who can GUARANTEE you'll never be scammed again.
        I just had to repost this because I was already thinking this in my head scrolling
        down this thread when I read this comment.

        Couldn't have said it better!

        Perfect example is a guy on this very thread saying he got scammed by Empower
        Network. How the heck did that happen?

        They sell a blog and a bunch of upsells that are marketing information courses.
        There's no refund policy. This info is very easy to look up on the net being that
        that company is widely known.

        In a way it is kind of funny. There is some amazing copy being written
        on some of these sales pages and videos and a lot of newcomers/newbies
        think they just hit the lotto.

        Then they pay and get to the product and realize they actually have to do a little
        bit of work!

        SCAM!
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      • Profile picture of the author GaryCarlyle
        That is clever but false logic. I cant remember the math term for it but that is what it is. Ok you may not get a problem when they is a dishonest seller and a smart buyer but that does not make it ok to be dishonest.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
        Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

        Dishonest seller meets foolish buyer = PROBLEM

        So what does this tell you?

        It tells you that it's not the honest seller, the dishonest seller, or the smart buyer that's the problem. It's the FOOLISH BUYER.
        Um... no. The dishonest seller bears equal responsibility for the problem.

        The real issue is that we do not have honest sellers and dishonest sellers. We have bullshit sellers.

        It is impossible for the buyer to tell with any real certainty whether an offer is honest or dishonest.

        Imagine that I have a product which actually does what it says, and you would like to buy a product that does that. I can be honest and say it actually does that. Then you will buy it.

        Now imagine that I have a product which does not do what it says, but you would like to buy a product that does that. I can be dishonest and say it actually does that. Then you will buy it.

        In both cases, I can say the exact same thing no matter what the product is.

        I can take the exact same sales page, edit one form field on my product delivery software, and change the product that gets delivered from one that works to one that does not work. The sales page is the same. The traffic is the same. The conversion rate will be the same.

        There is absolutely no way for you to know a priori which product will be delivered. It's Schrödinger's product. It both works and does not work until you click the download link and collapse the wave function, at which point most products take thirty to sixty days before generating results anyway.

        And since this forum is packed to the freakin' gills with people who think three weeks is a long time, the overwhelming majority of people will never make use of the product anyway. They'll still leave a testimonial and a good review, because the product sure does sound like it's gonna work.

        Which means that whether you are honest or dishonest has no actual bearing on the ability to sell your product, nor does it have any bearing on the actual results achieved by the overwhelming majority of customers, nor does it impact the quality of your reviews and testimonials.

        It doesn't matter.

        Except... of course... for that one tiny problem.

        It is easier to build a crap product and tell lies than is to build a quality product about which you can be honest.

        And since people are SLIM, most of them will choose what's easy. This is the internet. It's trivial to set up a brand new false identity long enough to sell your garbage, then disappear and make a brand new one for the next garbage product. There are no consequences. They get the money without having to do the work or know the answer, and the buyer suffers but they don't care.

        Research people, not products.

        Anyone who has any business selling you a product can be identified and checked out online. If you can't find any of that person's other products online, or identify which other domains they own, or find some kind of history and track record and at the very least a footprint... a social media presence, one or more personal blogs, non-business-related sites and posts and activities... then the chances of that person being a liar rise significantly.

        Past performance is no predictor of future performance (the history of a stock doesn't tell you what it will do in the future any more than the history of a roulette wheel does), but past behaviour is a pretty Goddamn good predictor of future behaviour, because people do not normally change.

        If they do, you can see it happening. Yes, some of my older opinions stated online are stupid - sometimes embarrassingly so. But you can also find me questioning those opinions and altering them. The process of changing them is online, too. If someone says one thing today and another thing tomorrow, but there's no indication anywhere that he's questioning his stance or admitting his prior error, chances are he's full of crap.

        That said, ignore assertions by third parties that so-and-so is a liar or a scammer. All you care about is the vendor's own behaviour. People are jerks, and if they're jealous of someone or too stupid to understand them, they tend to scream "LIES" and "SCAM" for no good reason the same way people shout about conspiracies and the new world order.

        Sales pages are bullshit. Always. You can never, ever, EVER trust them. An honest vendor might hire a dishonest copywriter who tells lies. A dishonest vendor might hire an honest copywriter and lie to him just like he's lying to you.

        It can't be stressed enough: ignore the copy. Look at the person.
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    Sorry I couldnt resist it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ilan Finer
      Originally Posted by Valdor Kiebach View Post



      Sorry I couldnt resist it.
      Hehehe... love it!

      You know why people get scammed online, it's because they are greedy and want to get rich fast, don't realize that it's a business...
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    Wait, where is the buy button? I think this is the one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by FortyNick View Post

    I spent 10 minutes, making the ad above. If I had spent a bit longer, removed the sarcasm and the obvious joke-text. I would have an A+ ad that hundreds of people would fall into immediately.
    Serious question: Do you have any resources where an artistically-challenged guy like myself can learn enough graphic design to make a sales page like the one you've shown here?

    Not to scam people of course, but to sell real products.
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    • Profile picture of the author FortyNick
      Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

      Serious question: Do you have any resources where an artistically-challenged guy like myself can learn enough graphic design to make a sales page like the one you've shown here?

      Not to scam people of course, but to sell real products.
      I'm a graphic designer myself and my advice for anyone who not already has a flair for design, don't start.

      Graphic design is so much more than just being able to use a program like photoshop/illustrator. You need to know colours, layouts etc. Nothing that you can easily teach yourself over a few courses to fully understand.

      There's a reason why it takes several years to become a designer, some have it in them and others simply don't. If you don't, you should rather hire a professional that knows what he's doing.

      You might be good off using a pre-made template, but I'm not sure where you would find such for salespages.

      Feel free to contact me directly if you have any other questions
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    • Profile picture of the author dpwilliams
      Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

      Serious question: Do you have any resources where an artistically-challenged guy like myself can learn enough graphic design to make a sales page like the one you've shown here?

      Not to scam people of course, but to sell real products.
      Hello Curtis...

      There are some really cool plugins available now to create sales pages like a pro...the one I use is InstaBuilder located here...
      InstaBuilder - Mobile-Ready Landing Pages in Minutes (not an affiliate link)

      Hope this helps...
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  • Profile picture of the author FortyNick
    @Horny Devil

    You have some valid points, but my clear oppinion is that everytime you have a dishonest seller = PROBLEM

    He just shouldn't be given the opportunity in the first place. Specially not in a place like WF where all WSO's are undergoing checks before they get up.

    Of course the WSO part of WF is a huge moneymaker for the owners, but letting too much crap pass, will slowly destroy the quality of this forum.
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      Originally Posted by FortyNick View Post

      @Horny Devil

      He just shouldn't be given the opportunity in the first place. Specially not in a place like WF where all WSO's are undergoing checks before they get up.
      FortyNick,

      I think you are confused. The WSO section is an advertising section and offers are not vetted before going live. Do you expect your newspaper or favorite magazine to review every single thing being sold before accepting the money?

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  • Profile picture of the author GaryCarlyle
    this made my laugh hard. What font it is? Ironically I want to use it for my WSO but mine is an actual product I had coded. Rather than some training course I invented that would only ever make me money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Lol, that sales page pretty much sums it up, you left out his friends posting things like " YOU MUST BE OUT YOUR MIND FOR SELLING THIS AT SUCH A LOW PRICE, RAISE THE PRICE " or " Joe Blow has done it again "

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  • Profile picture of the author MaxTheMarketer
    Haha I love when humor can enter the world of internet marketing, because I really "get it" and it is sad when many people fall for this, the quick-fixes.

    This is also a fine line for me to walk, and for all us doing marketing; how do we balance what results the use of our products can really deliver and not? (I've touched on this issue in another thread long ago)

    However, I love the humor and I would also say; "A 100 % GUARANTEE TO MAKE YOU FEEL SAFER ABOUT YOUR STUPID DECISION YOU ARE ABOUT TO DO DUE TO PERSONAL IMPULSIVE ISSUES. THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR WASTING YOUR MONEY ONE ME" (only pun-intended, joke intended, no offense to any marketer using guarantee-technique).

    Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Dear Warriors! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    That's an awful lot of work just to whine about the same thing that many others have already whined about. There's the door...don't let it hit you on the ass on your way out.
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    Man, that car looks good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    What... so this person charging me $17 isn't going to teach me how to make $3,000 a week while working 20 minutes a day? Damn...
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Too bad the buy now button doesn't work... i was about to order and make my $1,000,000 within these next 2 days. I could use a pool in the backyard.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Vetting products before approving ads is not a feasible process. Too many topics on which we'd need experts, and too many products coming through.

      Even if it were practical, it wouldn't stop the complaints. Some folks scream scam at any tiny inconvenience, even if they created it.

      Software doesn't run on a Mac? SCAM! (The ad specified, in red type just above the order button, that it was PC-only.)

      Software requires Adobe Air? SCAM! (Seller mentioned that several times in the ad.)

      This isn't a Wordpress plugin, you LIAR! (She never said it was.)

      The seller won't deliver my product. SCAM! (The seller tried to help with the download issues, and dozens of people had posted comments indicating they'd downloaded it successfully.)

      I already knew this. This is rehashed crap. SCAM! (If you're familiar with the topic, why didn't you PM the seller and ask about it?)

      Then there are the "I can't make this work" and "This is too much work" problems. Different beasts, to be sure, but they're also prone to yelling about their own failings as though they were someone else's fault.

      This is only relevant to your suggestion in the sense that it shows why, even if we could do what you think is "necessary," it wouldn't solve the problem. The majority of complaints I see are closer to the ones I listed than to actual scams.

      As far as income promises... I'm on the record publicly and privately on that one. I think they should be forbidden here entirely. But I don't make the rules.

      As far as a "buyer-only" rating system... That's pretty much what we have now. Doing it as a "summed up in 1-5 stars" way isn't going to help. It's too easily gamed, and it would create at least as many problems as it solved.

      Aside from that, it would require that the forum somehow have access to one or more databases listing every buyer of every product. The legal and technical issues with such a system are huge. Even assuming the various other systems were willing to allow it, which I very much doubt they would be.


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      • Profile picture of the author rossm
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Vetting products before approving ads is not a feasible process. Too many topics on which we'd need experts, and too many products coming through.

        Even if it were practical, it wouldn't stop the complaints. Some folks scream scam at any tiny inconvenience, even if they created it.

        Software doesn't run on a Mac? SCAM! (The ad specified, in red type just above the order button, that it was PC-only.)

        Software requires Adobe Air? SCAM! (Seller mentioned that several times in the ad.)

        This isn't a Wordpress plugin, you LIAR! (She never said it was.)

        The seller won't deliver my product. SCAM! (The seller tried to help with the download issues, and dozens of people had posted comments indicating they'd downloaded it successfully.)

        I already knew this. This is rehashed crap. SCAM! (If you're familiar with the topic, why didn't you PM the seller and ask about it?)

        Then there are the "I can't make this work" and "This is too much work" problems. Different beasts, to be sure, but they're also prone to yelling about their own failings as though they were someone else's fault.

        This is only relevant to your suggestion in the sense that it shows why, even if we could do what you think is "necessary," it wouldn't solve the problem. The majority of complaints I see are closer to the ones I listed than to actual scams.

        As far as income promises... I'm on the record publicly and privately on that one. I think they should be forbidden here entirely. But I don't make the rules.

        As far as a "buyer-only" rating system... That's pretty much what we have now. Doing it as a "summed up in 1-5 stars" way isn't going to help. It's too easily gamed, and it would create at least as many problems as it solved.

        Aside from that, it would require that the forum somehow have access to one or more databases listing every buyer of every product. The legal and technical issues with such a system are huge. Even assuming the various other systems were willing to allow it, which I very much doubt they would be.


        Paul
        The biggest prob with WF and especially WSO's is the shocking lack of regularity, transparency and research into whether the WSO's are credible and genuine.

        Ie, how many times have you read a line similar to this....."Discover how to earn xxx$'s per month using this system....proof inside"

        These "proofs" can be photo shopped by almost anyone. And yet, on the strength of this, WF continues to let this stuff be sold on a daily basis.

        Paul, I find your answer less than credible. And moreover, irresponsible.

        The fact is, you are making so much money form these un-regulated and dis-proven WSO's that, ultimately, when it comes down the buyer, you wash your hands of them and tell them to take it up with the seller.

        This attitude to forum marketing simply stinks as it is WF itself that is taking the revenue to sell a lot of these WSO's without first of all; checking to see if its genuine, credible and witholding the credibility of the WF forum.

        Major regulation needed.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Ross,
          The fact is, you are making so much money form these un-regulated and dis-proven WSO's that, ultimately, when it comes down the buyer, you wash your hands of them and tell them to take it up with the seller.
          You're relatively new, so I'll assume you aren't aware of this, but I don't make a dime off WSO fees. And, as many sellers can attest, I don't care how much someone spends here. If they break the important rules, they're gone.

          If you point me to an edited screenshot and it's demonstrably been tampered with, I will nuke that offer and ban the seller, just that quick. I may have to ask some questions, but once I'm sure, they're removed. Same with failure to deliver a product or service, refusal to honor a posted refund policy, and a multitude of other potential problems.

          When people report actual problems and give us the details needed to verify their claims, they get dealt with. Quite often ending with an offer being removed and a seller being banned.

          There are probably a half dozen people who've posted in this thread who can tell you that from personal experience, having reported actual problem offers.

          Reporting problems is easy. Go to the problem post and click the little red triangle to the lower left of the post. Fill in the details, and submit the report. That sends it to the moderators for review.

          Like I said - easy. But it does take having specific details, rather than vague feelings. We'll check into the vague feeling reports, too, but they aren't often enough to warrant removing someone.

          The post you quoted did not suggest that we leave people to their own devices. It pointed out why two specific suggestions are unworkable.


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          • Profile picture of the author rossm
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Ross,You're relatively new, so I'll assume you aren't aware of this, but I don't make a dime off WSO fees. And, as many sellers can attest, I don't care how much someone spends here. If they break the important rules, they're gone.

            If you point me to an edited screenshot and it's demonstrably been tampered with, I will nuke that offer and ban the seller, just that quick. I may have to ask some questions, but once I'm sure, they're removed. Same with failure to deliver a product or service, refusal to honor a posted refund policy, and a multitude of other potential problems.

            When people report actual problems and give us the details needed to verify their claims, they get dealt with. Quite often ending with an offer being removed and a seller being banned.

            There are probably a half dozen people who've posted in this thread who can tell you that from personal experience, having reported actual problem offers.

            Reporting problems is easy. Go to the problem post and click the little red triangle to the lower left of the post. Fill in the details, and submit the report. That sends it to the moderators for review.

            Like I said - easy. But it does take having specific details, rather than vague feelings. We'll check into the vague feeling reports, too, but they aren't often enough to warrant removing someone.

            The post you quoted did not suggest that we leave people to their own devices. It pointed out why two specific suggestions are unworkable.


            Paul

            OK Paul so now your an expert deciphering real proofs from dud? I doubt it.

            "If you point me to an edited screenshot and it's demonstrably been tampered with....I will nuke that offer"

            So thats now our job as Warriors, detective work????

            Obviously not your job......youve been letting it slide for years.

            Fact is you cant be bothered to check it out, your either a shareholder, investor or a member of the board making money from this crap.

            Paul, your full of shit......your the biggest con man on WF.

            And thats saying something on here
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              OK Paul so now your an expert deciphering real proofs from dud? I doubt it.
              No, and I never claimed I was. In most cases where an edited screenshot is spotted, it's seen by a member who notices some tiny error that wouldn't happen in a real-life situation.
              Fact is you cant be bothered to check it out, your either a shareholder, investor or a member of the board making money from this crap.
              That is not a fact. It is an incorrect assertion. I am none of those things. I am also not a co-owner, employee, or partner, just to round out the list.

              And for the record, I also have no affiliation, financial or otherwise, with WarriorPlus or JV Zoo. I don't even promote WSOs as an affiliate. As far as I can recall, I never have.

              As of this moment, I have not run an offer for a paid product in this forum since, I believe, August of 2011. (That may change, but it's true as of now.) For all but 2 or 3 days of 2012, the only thing in my signature was a link to a guide to the forum - which is downloaded directly from the forum, and doesn't pitch any of my products or any affiliate offers.

              I find it interesting that people will make these vague assertions about problems and deny that anything is done about them when I can't recall a single instance of them reporting anything to the mods.

              See an actual problem? Report it. Watch what happens.


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            • Profile picture of the author davezan
              Originally Posted by rossm View Post

              OK Paul so now your an expert deciphering real proofs from dud? I doubt it.

              "If you point me to an edited screenshot and it's demonstrably been tampered with....I will nuke that offer"

              So thats now our job as Warriors, detective work????

              Obviously not your job......youve been letting it slide for years.

              Fact is you cant be bothered to check it out, your either a shareholder, investor or a member of the board making money from this crap.

              Paul, your full of shit......your the biggest con man on WF.

              And thats saying something on here
              While it's understandable one feels very strongly about this topic, people can
              argue or debate it without necessarily insulting one's character, right?

              As an FYI: years ago the WSO forum was actually free. If memory serves me,
              there were (arguably) even more crap - if not scam - WSO offers that time.

              A funny thing? I actually (still) have the same tools then and now to check if
              the offer is potentially worthless or gold. I check the person's other posts, do
              an online search elsewhere, report a (potentially) problematic thread that can
              be verified, think how that offer meets my goals, etc.

              (Granted, it's not foolproof and it gets tiring. It also often gets tiring trying to
              reasonably and realistically explain something when others feel you're making
              excuses, especially if because what you say doesn't jibe with their belief/s.)

              It probably so happens that others feel it's too much work trying to verify an
              offer's claim; that they'd rather let others do that for them, only to be maybe
              frustrated if they feel others don't do enough.

              Again realistically, one can only do so much. The rest is up to each of us.
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            • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
              Originally Posted by rossm View Post

              So thats now our job as Warriors, detective work????

              Obviously not your job......youve been letting it slide for years.

              Yes detective work is your job, if you don't want to be hustled!



              Originally Posted by rossm View Post

              Fact is you cant be bothered to check it out, your either a shareholder, investor or a member of the board making money from this crap.

              Paul, your full of shit......your the biggest con man on WF.

              And thats saying something on here
              @Paul

              Why is this creep allowed to make the above characterization and not be banned?
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Joseph,
                Why is this creep allowed to make the above characterization and not be banned?
                If he'd said that to anyone else here, he would have been. I give people more slack when they're talking to me. There are limits, obviously, but they get a bit more leeway.


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                • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  Joseph,If he'd said that to anyone else here, he would have been. I give people more slack when they're talking to me. There are limits, obviously, but they get a bit more leeway.


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                  I almost said as much but I had to check myself and start over. Because I wasn't entirely sure if it was true. Thanks for pointing it out!
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            • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
              Originally Posted by rossm View Post

              So thats now our job as Warriors, detective work????
              What do you mean "now"? It's always been our job:

              http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...moderator.html

              If you are thinking about buying, then you need to do your due diligence, and if you find a problem where someone is a lying cheating scammer... then you should tell the forum mods about it.

              They will then investigate, and if you're making a valid point for valid reasons, that person will be gone. I have seen it happen over and over again, and when there's some question of whether someone should be gone or not, Paul is usually on the side of "yes they deserve to be gone and I hope they burn in hell."

              What you are demanding is basically that someone else do the research for you, because you can't be arsed. And the answer to that is "no."
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            • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
              Originally Posted by rossm View Post

              OK Paul so now your an expert deciphering real proofs from dud? I doubt it.

              "If you point me to an edited screenshot and it's demonstrably been tampered with....I will nuke that offer"

              So thats now our job as Warriors, detective work????

              Obviously not your job......youve been letting it slide for years.

              Fact is you cant be bothered to check it out, your either a shareholder, investor or a member of the board making money from this crap.

              Paul, your full of shit......your the biggest con man on WF.

              And thats saying something on here
              eBay doesn't check the voracity of seller claims.

              Neither does Amazon.

              Domain registrars don't check to to see if you own the trademark before registering the domain.

              Welcome to the real world, kid. In this real and hard world, fools and their money are parted all the time. Hell, I heard one ignorant woman claim she was going to 'invest' $1,500 in 'Google Glass.' Invest? HA! Someone should really regulate that sale.

              Bottom line is, if idiots are tired of getting ripped off, they should stop buying CRAPOLA.

              That goes for everywhere, and not just the Warrior Forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Romeo90
    Interesting thread - for me, pictures of helicopters, flash cars, exotic holiday destination et al put me off any sales pitch, so if I saw the guy standing next to someone else's Ferrari, I would immediately click off the page.
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    You forget to show a a picture of a tiny flat before and expensive house after...
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Heath
    You should consider a career in copywriting.
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    I thought I was the only one who was confused as to why people are buying all these cheap "ebooks" on how to get rich quick.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by FortyNick View Post


    I spent 10 minutes, making the ad above. If I had spent a bit longer, removed the sarcasm and the obvious joke-text. I would have an A+ ad that hundreds of people would fall into immediately.
    Nah, you lost me at magic "formular"...

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  • Profile picture of the author badlimey
    I guarantee that anyone on here can become a millionaire. Just invest a dollar in a savings account and wait. Of course you might die of old age first. The other way is to work harder, smarter, and longer, that everybody around you.
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    Thanks for this! I will open my eyes wide...........
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  • Profile picture of the author KriiV
    Overhyped sales pages are something everyone needs to be wary of. If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Make sure all the reviews/testimonials are from legitimate people.

    It takes a bit of common sense to understand these things. 90% of the time, they don't want to help you make yourself rich. If they are so wealthy they have no need to sell you pesky $10 courses. Step back, have a think about it then act accordingly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    I don't see anything wrong with his post. It's confrontational but it's direct. Plus he's picking a fight that most people here will not take seriously. His opinion is no big deal.

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    Sounds legit, taste like legit and even posed like legit... legitimate scam... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Kory Pearman
    The Add To Cart button doesn't work! Please fix asap

    edit: this joke has already been made in this thread, fml
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    I can't believe Paul Myers has to take all this abuse. The man is working his butt off around here!
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  • Profile picture of the author AlwaysAwa
    My weakest link isn't the $5000 per month but how fast the return of investment. I used to be a sucker whenever the sales page state you make money in xxx month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I think reviews, ratings, etc. can all be bought and traded so that will probably never work.

    However there are a couple things that would such as:

    1. No income claims whatsoever.
    2. Some kind of escrow program (yes I know a pain to set up and administer and doesn't cover bad products)
    3. A deposit of $500 or some similar amount used to cover bad products, non existent support, etc. This would be handled by WF on a first come first served basis. (Yes I know - how can you prove this or that, who will do it, it's a pain, etc.)
    4. Photo IDs, real phone numbers that are checked (yes I know that can be scammed), etc.

    I think the WF is getting big enough to attract the attention of the powers that be and so something needs to be done.

    Also I think that the WSO section is different than the newspaper in some ways and very similar in others. I buy a car from the classified section and it blows up the next day - that's either bad luck, bad due diligence on my part, or the seller is a crook but there's not much that anyone could or would do about it since I bought the car as is.

    Now, if the car came with a warranty that wasn't abided by, every Court in the world would rule in the new owner's favor as long as the warranty spelled out what was covered and I could prove what happened.

    Here though you pay for services that never happen (doesn't normally happen in the classifieds - pay me money then I will mow your yard later) or products that never get delivered (again most things in the classifieds are delivered or there is never any money exchanged) or support that doesn't happen.

    In other words in most classifieds you exchange money WHEN the product or service is delivered but here you pay FIRST in most cases. That's where most of the problems come from.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Mark,

      Speaking for myself here, and not in any "official" capacity...

      As you know, I'm right there with you on the idea of banning income claims/promises.

      The deposit would lock out a lot of talented new folks who deliver, but I'm not at all sure it would deter the creeps. I can think of at least one way to get around that which would actually increase fraud. "You cancelled my offer because I didn't give refunds as promised? Chargeback!"

      Not to mention the extra leverage it would give the folks who try and extort things from sellers. That's not a huge problem at the moment, but it does happen. And I'd bet it would happen more if the creeps had that kind of hammer to hold over someone.

      I may just be stuck in "problem spotter" mode, but I'm not seeing that one as all that practical or effective.

      ID checks? Interesting, but you'd need to make that personal ID, and run actual checks on them all, which brings up all sorts of privacy and security issues. Plus, there'd have to be an extra charge for the time and expense.

      The real issue with that is jurisdictional. "You're from where? What the hell is that? We're not giving that kind of information out to some Internet forum operator." *click*

      If you don't check them, they're meaningless. And it may not even be possible in most cases to get anyone to verify the info.

      Voice verification made sense back in the BBS days, before cellphones became common. Getting a new phone number was a pain, and they were always traceable back to an individual. Now it's just a matter of an extra $20 while you're doing your grocery shopping.

      If you allow company IDs, that's so easy to arrange, legally, that it's no impediment at all.

      I look at this stuff from the angles of "What would the creeps do to get around it?" and "What impact would this have overall?" And I have to consider that the overwhelming majority of offers posted never create any problems or generate any reports.

      Really. Only a very small percentage of offers ever come to the mods' attention. When I scroll through the listing in the WSO section, I don't even recognize most of the names of the sellers.

      Part of that is because most people deliver on what they sell. Some part of it, at this point, is almost certainly due to problem sellers having been chased out and gone elsewhere with their offers.


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    I dont know if any product that claims you can be rich in a month has ever been true. Personally I would prefer a package that promised an extra few hundred dollars a month. Although it could still be BS it not a guaranteed BS system like the get rich systems out there.
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    I love the humour you put into it. You are soooo funny. You hit the nail on the head...Yet, so many still fall for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author azmanar
    Hi,

    When I shop for WSOs, I check reviews. Some reviews are genuine, some are not and some don't even have significant reviews to sway my decisions.

    The same thing for some products advertised on banners here. Clicking will usually send me to their web sites. They have testimonies to back their claims. We can't really trust them. So the best way is to look for reviews on Search Engines and SCAM dot com. Again some genuine and some not.

    Bottom-line ... the money is mine, decisions are mine, the risks are mine. Learn from the mistakes.

    You want to seek redress for so-called "scams", do it with the Sellers you have problems with. Attack them on their WSO threads. Attack them on SCAM dot com. attack them on BBB. Complain with PayPal. File a Charge-back with your CC provider. You know the drill.

    As much as people credit themselves for their success, they should also blame themselves for their own bad decisions.

    Moving on ... would be the best option.
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