Someone is infringing on my copyrights. What to do?

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I recently discovered that someone has copied images owned by me from one of my websites, and is re-selling printed versions of those images as part of a product package that comes with a related product.

Now... I am at a decision point. I could probably contact this person and threaten her into taking them down. Or I could send a notice to Google and get the site de-listed.

But my question is, what would you do?

On the one hand, I don't really appreciate that someone else is taking credit for my work and profiting off my materials.

On the other, I also have personal idols to look up to like Steve Pavlina who a few years ago released all his copyrights on all of his materials, just as a gift to the public and to release himself from the burden of trying to enforce copyright in a digital age where anyone can copy/paste all of your work in 2 seconds.

Part of me says it is wrong to let this person get away with this, another part says that I should be happy to be helping others with my material. A third part says that I should at least get her to give me a few backlinks from her site for my troubles :rolleyes:

Another concern is that my niche is in the natural health niche, and the person is selling a natural health product that is probably genuinely helpful to people (it is packaged with printouts of my related images, apparently). So I would probably feel at least a little guilty for stopping her from helping people in that way.

I have a suspicion that this person knows that what she is doing is wrong. But at the same time, I don't think she's trying to screw me over. She probably noticed that there were no good image resources of what she needed, and thus used mine (the sole reason I entered that niche to begin with was because I saw an opportunity to provide a certain type of image that people were looking for that couldn't really be found).

A final consideration is that I Whois'd her website and it is hosted in Australia, whilst I am in the US, so even if I wanted to threaten her to take the materials down, my threats wouldn't be very scary.

What to do?
#copyrights #infringing
  • Profile picture of the author norhisham
    my 2 cents...

    1. contact the web owner and try resolve that issue.
    2. move on and focus your energy to what matter the most (the thing that give your the most satisfaction).

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Uhhhhh...

    Ethical dilemma aside you should probably contact her and at least make it known that you know what she is up to and you are considering your options.

    If you want to go down Steve's route, that's one thing. But if you don't, that's another. In either case, you haven't yet, so she's in breech of copyright.

    But like you said, since she's in Australia you'll have quite an enjoyable time enforcing it, right? Personally I would say set up some sort of yearly licensing deal or something.

    Obviously if she doesn't want to do that, it's a moot point. But maybe that way you can actually build a partnership with her and have another audience to sell your work too.

    At least you didn't approach her kicking and screaming. But I'm no expert on copyright law. I get confused in these kinds of situations. You should probably ask an attorney.

    That is, if you don't want to release all your copyrights. The conundrum!

    Marc

    PS. If it doesn't work out I wouldn't let it get your goat. Things happen sometimes you just have to let it go. But explore your options legally and do what you feel is best. Of course, talk to her as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Not many options when it comes to this stuff, you can either contact the person or contact a lawyer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      Not many options when it comes to this stuff, you can either contact the person or contact a lawyer.
      Or a third and better option: send a DMCA notice to her hosting provider and to Google to make sure she's either taken offline completely or at least has her visibility greatly reduced.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Yes what Luke said will at least give you some power in the situation. Of course you could try to do a licensing deal and if that falls through then DMCA her. But if you don't think she did it maliciously, who knows, since you're giving her the benefit of the doubt, her response to you will give you more information about her intentions.
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    • Profile picture of the author Benny L
      I was a lawyer for some years. And I highly encourage people to come up with win-win scenarios. The best lawyer is the one who doesn't have to argue, but can mediate.. with an aggressive agenda. But to preserve your rights, you either need to come to an licensing agreement, or else she needs to stop. Period. It may also help if she pays a nominal "penalty" for the infringement, because it helps show in the future that you are enforcing your copyright.

      Typically, in these situations, I like to ask myself, "What does this person like about what I am (or my client is) offering. And I use that as the bargaining chip. I approach, not with threats, but with an offer to give more, provide more, do more FOR THEM.

      If they balk, you then point out that they are the infringer and you remind them of the leverage you hold. But I've NEVER had it come to that. And I've never had to bare my teeth. I just smile politely, keep it friendly, and figure out a win-win.

      Trust me. She KNOWS she is in the wrong. She KNOWS she is in hot water. You DON'T have to remind her. But when you approach with an open hand and offer MORE than she already has stolen, you're likely to wind up with a REALLY sweet deal. The human conscience is a funny thing. Deep down, most people actually desire to do the right thing. They just did what they did out of some perceived necessity. And if you offer them a way out that doesn't kill them, they'll jump at it.


      As a sidenote, whenever I catch a vendor in a screw up, the first thing I do is scour their website looking for other things I'd like, or be willing, to purchase. Then I approach them with a, "Hey, you screwed up. But if you sell me this extra item and make just a tiny bit MORE money off of me while giving me a huge discount, you'll be richer and I'll be a happy customer." It's especially effective when you are otherwise facing return shipping and other fiascos that they'll have to eat the cost of otherwise. It also works where you can provide (or desire) additional services. And I seldom get turned down. They want (1) more money, they want (2) a happy client relationship and if you can catch them in a screw up and then give them the opportunity to get MORE of BOTH by offering to give them MORE than they already have in their hand, their brain will implode and they'll gladly hand you over a great deal...

      Of course, this isn't a good idea if their product totally sucks. That's a different issue. But for people who are, on the whole, pretty legit, it's a killer strategy. It's literally earned/saved me and my clients tens of thousands of dollars... maybe more.
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      • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
        Originally Posted by Benny L View Post

        Of course, this isn't a good idea if their product totally sucks. That's a different issue. But for people who are, on the whole, pretty legit, it's a killer strategy. It's literally earned/saved me and my clients tens of thousands of dollars... maybe more.
        You've got to be the only person I've met online who actually knows how to negotiate! Mad props bro

        I took a negotiations class in school a few years ago. It totally opened my eyes to huge opportunities, like even being able to negotiate at all. It was actually the basis for the ebook that is linked in my signature right now (it teaches how to negotiate lower prices with freelancers that you hire).

        I think I will contact her soon and at least get something from her in return for allowing her to continue to sell my stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author Benny L
          Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

          You've got to be the only person I've met online who actually knows how to negotiate! Mad props bro

          I took a negotiations class in school a few years ago. It totally opened my eyes to huge opportunities, like even being able to negotiate at all. It was actually the basis for the ebook that is linked in my signature right now (it teaches how to negotiate lower prices with freelancers that you hire).

          I think I will contact her soon and at least get something from her in return for allowing her to continue to sell my stuff.
          Thanks for the compliment. I do pride myself on my negotiation abilities. I actually wrote a paper a long time ago that tore Fisher and Ury's BATNA to shreds and created a far tighter framework for negotiation. It was uncannily accurate.

          The other thing I would suggest is to keep the negotiation asymmetric. If she seems all about making money, negotiate for links, references, etc. Figure out what she perceives as important and hit her HARD in the places that she doesn't have her heart tied into. In the end, that's much easier than negotiating against someone's deep desires.

          When I negotiate with sellers of goods or services, I never try to negotiate price directly. Doing so will greatly annoy them. Instead, I negotiate added services, or additional products, stuff that they didn't dream of selling me in the first place! Then, instead of being a fight over BATNA, you're expanding the pie and finding the places where they'll gladly let you take the bigger slice... because they aren't keeping score the same way you are.

          Oh? You're aggressively protecting the blueberry pie and getting shitty when I ask for a bigger slice? Wellll... what if I let you have ALL of the blueberry pie to yourself then and you just let me walk away with these two raspberry pies instead? Oh? That doesn't bother you at all? Cool. I'll just have these raspberry pies then...

          Mmmmm pie!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Benny L
      I was a lawyer for some years. And I highly encourage people to come up with win-win scenarios. To preserve your rights, you either need to come to a licensing agreement, or else she needs to stop. Period.

      Typically, in these situations, I like to ask myself, "What does this person like about what I am (or my client is) offering. And I use that as the bargaining chip. I approach, not with threats, but with an offer to give more, provide more, do more FOR THEM.

      If they balk, you then point out that they are the infringer and you remind them of the leverage you hold. But I've NEVER had it come to that. And I've never had to bare my teeth. I just smile politely, keep it friendly, and figure out a win-win.

      Trust me. She KNOWS she is in the wrong. She KNOWS she is in hot water. You DON'T have to remind her. But when you approach with an open hand and offer MORE than she already has stolen, you're likely to wind up with a REALLY sweet deal.


      As a sidenote, whenever I catch a vendor in a screw up, the first thing I do is scour their website looking for other things I'd like, or be willing, to purchase. Then I approach them with a, "Hey, you screwed up. But if you sell me this extra item and make just a tiny bit MORE money off of me while giving me a huge discount, you'll be richer and I'll be a happy customer." It's especially effective when you are otherwise facing return shipping and other fiascos that they'll have to eat the cost of otherwise. It also works where you can provide (or desire) additional services. And I seldom get turned down. They want (1) more money, they want (2) a happy client relationship and if you can catch them in a screw up and then give them the opportunity to get MORE of BOTH by offering to give them MORE than they already have in their hand, their brain will implode and they'll gladly hand you over a great deal...

      Of course, this isn't a good idea if their product totally sucks. That's a different issue. But for people who are, on the whole, pretty legit, it's a killer strategy. It's literally earned/saved me thousands of dollars.
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    • Profile picture of the author Benny L
      I was a lawyer for some years. And I highly encourage people to come up with win-win scenarios. I believe that the most valuable lawyer isn't the one who argues best, but the one who can aggressively mediate in his client's best interests. To preserve your rights, you either need to come to a licensing agreement, or else she needs to stop. Period.

      Typically, in these situations, I like to ask myself, "What does this person like about what I am (or my client is) offering. And I use that as the bargaining chip. I approach, not with threats, but with an offer to give more, provide more, do more FOR THEM.

      If they balk, you then point out that they are the infringer and you remind them of the leverage you hold. But I've NEVER had it come to that. And I've never had to bare my teeth. I just smile politely, keep it friendly, and figure out a win-win.

      Trust me. She KNOWS she is in the wrong. She KNOWS she is in hot water. You DON'T have to remind her. But when you approach with an open hand and offer MORE than she already has stolen, you're likely to wind up with a REALLY sweet deal. The human conscience is a funny thing. In many cases, the person did what they did out of some perceived necessity, but they actually do desire the opportunity to "come clean" so long as it doesn't destroy them and make their lives a living hell. This is especially true if you can completely avoid making them feel like they did something wrong and instead make them feel like a valued partner. Sure, it sucks to swallow that pill, but my mother always used to ask me, "Would you rather be right? Or be happy?" So you eat all the crow you need to at first, and give them the opportunity to feel like they are a contributor, rather than a thief. You make it as easy as can be for them, and in the end you just make sure you get all the value you deserve. And just remember that in the end, you can always come down with Thor's hammer if you need to... because of course, they are thinking the same thing.


      As a sidenote, whenever I catch a vendor in a screw up, the first thing I do is scour their website looking for other things I'd like, or be willing, to purchase. Then I approach them with a, "Hey, you screwed up. But if you sell me this extra item and make just a tiny bit MORE money off of me while giving me a huge discount, you'll be richer and I'll be a happy customer." It's especially effective when you are otherwise facing return shipping and other fiascos that they'll have to eat the cost of otherwise. It also works where you can provide (or desire) additional services. And I seldom get turned down. They want (1) more money, they want (2) a happy client relationship and if you can catch them in a screw up and then give them the opportunity to get MORE of BOTH by offering to give them MORE than they already have in their hand, their brain will implode and they'll gladly hand you over a great deal...

      Of course, this isn't a good idea if their product totally sucks. That's a different issue. But for people who are, on the whole, pretty legit, it's a killer strategy. It's literally earned/saved me and my clients tens of thousands of dollars.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sue McDonald
    Yes I think you have to contact her and ask for some type of payment. It doesnot matter where she lives. There are a few scenarios here - maybe she does not know about royalty free photographs or maybe she does and never thought you would see her product. Either way I would ask for some sort of payment. My grandson who is 16 is a surf photographer and he is sponsored by a particular surf magazine and he is also allowed to sell his photos on the open market. The price ranges between $200 to $ 500 per photograph.
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  • Profile picture of the author curationsoft
    contact her immediately and discuss legal issue about copying your images. maybe she wouldn't know until someone tell her that its not right.
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
    Try to work out a win, win agreement with her as Benny L suggested before you send a DMCA letter. If she responds and plays nice then you both win. If she ignores you, I'm in Australia and can act as your local agent to file court papers which should result in her wanting to work something out with you instead of going to court. Even Hollywood can't stop the Chinese from violating their copyrights but in your case you can at least do something to create a win - win situation!

    Cheers,
    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

    A final consideration is that I Whois'd her website and it is hosted in Australia, whilst I am in the US, so even if I wanted to threaten her to take the materials down, my threats wouldn't be very scary.
    What's the name of the hosting company they are at?
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    • Profile picture of the author rickdangelo
      Going down the "legal" road is pretty much stressful and time-consuming. That's why it doesn't have to be that way. I'd have to piggy back on people's sentiments here. Negotiate.

      The best way to go about it is to contact her and propose a win-win situation to you both. Tell her you don't want to settle things in court because it would be stressful to you both and that you want to help her because you think her product is for a good cause.

      But, you also need to stress that her use of your materials -- for free when you actually use them for business -- is something that bothers you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Social App Zone
    .. and if all else fails. The Horse Head.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishwa
    You Can File a DMCA Take down Notice to the website who are stealing your content.
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