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Every Article Marketing Product Is Full Of Sh*t

by Andy Money
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So far, at least.

Now, for someone who makes a good chunk of his change dealing in the article marketing "biz" online, let me say I really mean this. After recent self discoveries in the field of article marketing (100+ articles TOO late) I've found that all of the article marketing products I've seen are deceptively NOT forward about how to be successful with article marketing.

I swear to God this is true.

If you are doing articles and not seeing DAILY views and click thrus, you are doing something wrong and I think you should stop immediately.

And I know what you're doing wrong (and so do the people putting out these article marketing products that promise killer results).

Before what I learned the other day I had a pretty stagnant EZA account. I could refresh every day and only see minor improvements. Now I refresh my account every 2 minutes and see an increase in views and clicks. When I realized what I was doing differently I was very, very pissed off.

Why? Because I knew that someone HADN'T told me NOT to do what I was doing, and it was so incredibly simple that it should have been pointed out to me just on the merits of its simplicity.

Long story short. Let me say a few things:
  • Be VERY thorough with your keyword research
  • Do NOT use Google adwords tool. It is garbage.

By thorough I mean find a keyword that is GUARANTEED to get searches and is guaranteed to get you in the top 10 rank in Google once it goes live on Ezinearticles.com

From my experience this is about 30-50k or below and you are guaranteed front page. I haven't had a single one that doesn't.

Also, STOP using Google adwords keyword tool for your KW research. It is the equivalent to screaming out random words and letters and calling it poetry: it is broad, general, inaccurate and just plain dead wrong. Granted I have had some success using it, but nothing compared to the other keyword tools I've recently begun to use.

Bottom line: If you are not seeing the results from articles you expected, take a GIGANTIC step back and look at what you're doing. You are certainly doing something wrong and you need to fix it before you waste anymore time.

Good luck

Andrew
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
    Since you said NOT to use Google Adwords keyword tool, what keyword tool do you recommend to use?

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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Gannon
    I already knew how to get articles ranked by picking the right keywords that aren't overused in Google, its common sense. Do it just like you would for your niche websites.
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    The article marketing products don't tell you this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    I bet every article marketing tool says somewhere do a thorough search for good keywords, and then gives a selection of keyword tools only one of which is (the free choice) google.

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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        I was going to ignore this load of BS but this post so reminded me of the
        kind of crap I used to post as gospel that I just couldn't allow this to go
        unchallenged.

        Every article marketing product is full of sh*t?

        Have you read Dean Shainen's? Have you read mine?

        What's full of crap is people who come here and post their opinions as the
        gospel according to Garp.

        Maybe we should just crown you king now.

        I'll stop here before I say something I might end up regretting.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          I was going to ignore this load of BS but this post so reminded me of the
          kind of crap I used to post as gospel that I just couldn't allow this to go
          unchallenged.

          Every article marketing product is full of sh*t?

          Have you read Dean Shainen's? Have you read mine?

          What's full of crap is people who come here and post their opinions as the
          gospel according to Garp.

          Maybe we should just crown you king now.

          I'll stop here before I say something I might end up regretting.
          I fully agree steven and by saying all article markting products are crap would mean the OP read or used every product and I know that is a lie...

          Like you Steven I will stop here...

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      • Profile picture of the author yoshiko
        Letting off steam is ok but getting overtly emotional about it is really unnecessary. Everyone has their frustrations over internet marketing, it is a constant learning curve. I too have my fair amount of exasperation and some times I just want to scream, or slap myself for being stupid.
        But i tell myself the IM route is something i chose, so will have to ride the highs and lows.

        Try taking a break. Be away for computers, jog, clear the mind. Maybe it would be better. Good luck to all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post

        Easy big guy, that's just his opinion. Although you said what many were probably thinking, it's not worth the jab.

        Being that you're all in now, please share some knowledge with us. What do you think of SEO Book, Wordtracker, and the Google Tool?
        Okay, here's the real deal on keyword tools that nobody wants to admit or
        take the time to really research.

        None of them, and I mean none of them, are accurate. I don't care if you
        use Google or Wordtracker or Aunt Bessie's

        Here is the key to making the most out of the keyword tool that you choose
        to use.

        I've actually gone into some great depth on this subject elsewhere so I
        will give the reader's digest version here. This method takes time and
        patience but it is the only thing that really works.

        Pick a tool, any tool. It doesn't matter. Just pick one and stick with it. You
        will need to do a lot of testing (about 100 keywords) to get an accurate
        reading on this.

        Pick your keyword. Find out how many daily (in case of Wordtracker) or
        monthly (the rest) searches you get.

        Go to Google and find your competing site figures in quotes for that
        keyword phrase. Quotes because those are the sites optimized for that
        keyword. I'll leave the explanation at that.

        Compute the KEI.

        (monthly searches/competing sites) X monthly searches.

        Decide, based on KEI (anything over 100 is considered good) if you're
        going to go after that keyword or not.

        Choose your SEO method (on page, off page, whatever). Give it a week
        to see how far up the ranks you go, how much traffic you get and how
        your conversions are, etc.

        Let's say you picked a keyword with 30,000 monthly searches and this
        keyword already had 200,000 competing sites. That's a KEI of 4,500 which
        is pretty darn good.

        Let's say though that after you put up your site and got everything
        optimized, even though you hit page 1 of Google, you were only getting
        2 visitors a day. Now, you'd like to think that with 100 daily searches, at
        number 1, you're going to get more than 2 visitors a day. Naturally you're
        meta description will play a role in this (if it sucks that will hurt) but let's
        for argument sake say it's great. This would lead me to believe that the
        daily searches for this keyword tool are inflated. Would that not be a
        logical assumption? However, it's only 1 keyword phrase, so you have to
        test it with others.

        If the tool itself is consistent, off or not, you will see similar results.

        Then, once you know how the tool behaves, you will know how to use it
        better.

        For example, let's say after 100 keyword tests you find that for every 100
        searches, assuming you reach position 1 of Google, you're only getting
        10 visitors to your site, or 10% of the daily searches.

        Fine, then in that case, whenever you do a keyword search using that
        tool, if you find the tool says that a keyword gets searched 1,000 times
        a day, you can pretty much expect to get 10% of that figures in daily
        volume, or 100 visitors a day.

        I have done this with both Wordtracker, Google SEO Book and others.

        Here is what my personal results have told me about Wordtracker and
        Google.

        Wordtracker's results are greatly underestimated.

        Google's results are somewhat overestimated.

        But Google is much closer to reality than Wordtracker, which is why I have
        stopped using Wordtracker.

        I mean for crying out loud, keywords that Wordtracker says get only 3
        searches a day are bringing me over 1,000 visitors a month. How the hell
        can that be?

        Anyway, this is my 2 cents on the subject. No keyword tool is going to
        give you accurate results. The key is picking one, understanding the
        data it gives you, and then learning how to use it.

        Does it take time? Hell yeah.

        Is it worth it?

        I'll let each individual come to their own conclusion on that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          I mean for crying out loud, keywords that Wordtracker says get only 3
          searches a day are bringing me over 1,000 visitors a month. How the hell
          can that be?

          Anyway, this is my 2 cents on the subject. No keyword tool is going to
          give you accurate results. The key is picking one, understanding the
          data it gives you, and then learning how to use it.

          Does it take time? Hell yeah.

          Is it worth it?

          I'll let each individual come to their own conclusion on that.
          I agree. And like I said in the OP, I've used Google Adwords successfully but working out new keyword strategies I'm getting much, much better results. None of them ARE accurate, they can't be.

          The point of this thread is more or less about how poorly KW is being covered (or was) up until recently. I still have articles getting views from KW research I did with Google adwords kw tool, but the results are NOTHING like what I've used using other tools. I find a lot of guides/products/posts/etc. completely ignore how important being thorough with KW research is. They just say to do it really, as if it were another mindless step in the process like registering a Gmail account. When really it's a lot more work than that.

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          • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
            Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

            The point of this thread is more or less about how poorly KW is being covered (or was) up until recently. I still have articles getting views from KW research I did with Google adwords kw tool, but the results are NOTHING like what I've used using other tools. I find a lot of guides/products/posts/etc. completely ignore how important being thorough with KW research is. They just say to do it really, as if it were another mindless step in the process like registering a Gmail account. When really it's a lot more work than that.

            Andrew
            now, I'm not even into the article thing, yet I have seen plenty of references to doing proper KW research when writing articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheCren
    I think you were using the Google tool the wrong way. I haven't found it to lead me astray yet. The rest of this post seems to be common sense - "if you're not getting the results you expected, then change something." Gee thanks... that was... um... helpful.
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    I think Keyword Elite is pretty neat. Brad says the new Keyword Elite 2.0 is a brand new software, a different kettle of fish compared to the first one.

    The good thing about keyword elite is that it tells you how much competition each keyword has. Ie - title tags, body text or anchor text. Pretty useful when choosing keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    Andrew, one question, have you read every single article marketing product that has every been produced.

    I know a few good ones around, where they cover what you say is missing.

    I sense a WSO coming either with a report on article marketing or selling a service for writing articles. Why, because of the first comment you made.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      Andrew, one question, have you read every single article marketing product that has every been produced.

      I know a few good ones around, where they cover what you say is missing.

      I sense a WSO coming either with a report on article marketing or selling a service for writing articles. Why, because of the first comment you made.
      Yeah, I will be. It's in the distant future though. Is that really surprising though? I was under the impression that's how products are born. There's a problem, a solution is found, you then sell that solution. :confused:

      P.S. Of course I haven't
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew G Gowans
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      Andrew, one question, have you read every single article marketing product that has every been produced.

      I know a few good ones around, where they cover what you say is missing.

      I sense a WSO coming either with a report on article marketing or selling a service for writing articles. Why, because of the first comment you made.
      Maybe this was a "preselling" attempt by a warrior newbie before launching a WSO! If it was, kinda backfired. OR DID IT!!!

      Whatever keyword research tools you use or investigate, paid or free, Steve is right, none are absolutely absolute, however we do tend to have our favorites.

      Whichever tool is your favorite, there is one simple and, for me, very profitable rule that was suggested to me (in an article marketing product). And it doesn't need a wso to work it out...

      For the long tail keywords you happen to be researching, if your research indicates greater than 100 hits a day and with competition less than 30,000 (can be stretched to 50,000), you are certainly well on the way to making money.

      Small niches maybe but tell me you wouldn't be happy with daily profits!

      Rinse and Repeat!

      Andrew G.

      P.S. Could be an interesting thread - Who actually makes a profit every day!
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      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

      Andrew, one question, have you read every single article marketing product that has every been produced.

      I know a few good ones around, where they cover what you say is missing.

      I sense a WSO coming either with a report on article marketing or selling a service for writing articles. Why, because of the first comment you made.
      I fully agree .. between you and Steven you pretty much said everything I wanted to say.

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        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Joseph happens to be somebody with a great deal of intelligence, something
        you appear to be lacking in great abundance.

        Oh well, haven't had a good troll bashing in a long time.

        And I thought you weren't going to waste any more time on me.

        Me? Since I hardly do any work anymore, I have plenty of time to waste and
        can do this all day.

        What's YOUR excuse?
        Ahh... Thanks for praising me about my intelligence.

        Apparently, dumbass didn't see my point, as with other trolls.

        The point is:

        DON'T BE A SUCKER WHEN YOU ARE A NEW FORUM MEMBER!

        Don't be a sucker saying how much experience you have, how much money you made because when you are a new member in the forum, you are a NEW MEMBER.

        Now, let's reprint my story that I've made last time:

        Young Joe is a national tennis champion. He was never being defeated in any of the school competition and because of that, he thinks he's the best. Young Mark is an admirer of Joe and follows him everywhere he goes.

        He met a man playing tennis at his school and said "Hey you! Do you know who am I? I'm the national tennis champion for 3 years and I have never being defeated. Shall we play a game?".

        "Yeah," said Mark, "He will beat you like 6-1, 6-1, 6-1"

        "Sure, let's play a game", the man said, "By the way, I'm Rafael Nadal, nice to meet you"


        That's the bottom line because SC said so!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
    Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

    And I know what you're doing wrong (and so do the people putting out these article marketing products that promise killer results).

    Before what I learned the other day I had a pretty stagnant EZA account. I could refresh every day and only see minor improvements. Now I refresh my account every 2 minutes and see an increase in views and clicks. When I realized what I was doing differently I was very, very pissed off.

    Why? Because I knew that someone HADN'T told me NOT to do what I was doing, and it was so incredibly simple that it should have been pointed out to me just on the merits of its simplicity.

    • Be VERY thorough with your keyword research
    Also, STOP using Google adwords keyword tool for your KW research. It is the equivalent to screaming out random words and letters and calling it poetry: it is broad, general, inaccurate and just plain dead wrong. Granted I have had some success using it, but nothing compared to the other keyword tools I've recently begun to use.

    Andrew
    LOL, Stay away from the google adwords tool? Yea, it is quite inaccurate if you put it on the "broad" setting. You'll get words that are thrown to gether like "build muscle lose fat" that it will say it has 1400 searches a day when it gets none, but put it on "phrase" and you'll get a better idea of how the keyword is.

    There is nothing wrong with the google adwords tool. You can find some really good keywords if your willing to spend a little time digging.

    I haven't read many article marketing books, but I can't think of one that didn't tell you to do proper keyword research. If there's anything thats been discussed a shit load of times on this forum, it's how to do keyword research.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
      Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman View Post

      LOL, Stay away from the google adwords tool? Yea, it is quite inaccurate if you put it on the "broad" setting. You'll get words that are thrown to gether like "build muscle lose fat" that it will say it has 1400 searches a day when it gets none, but put it on "phrase" and you'll get a better idea of how the keyword is.

      There is nothing wrong with the google adwords tool. You can find some really good keywords is your willing to spend a little time digging.

      I haven't read many article marketing books, but I can't think one that didn't tell you to do proper keyword research. If there's anything thats been discussed a shit load of times on this forum, it's how to do keyword research.
      Well, obviously, I disagree.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bryan Zimmerman
        Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

        Well, obviously, I disagree.

        You have been here a long time, so I'm not quite understanding where it was you never quite were not told how to do proper keyword research.

        There's got to be a hundred threads on it. Did you just not read any of them? Not trying to be rude at all with this, I just don't know how you could have not read at least one of them in the amount of time you've been here and all of a sudden you made this discovery
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      • Profile picture of the author jasonl70
        I find most people who take serious issue with the google kw tool leave it at broad match. A lot do not even realize there's a drop down option to change the match type.

        You may THINK that the tool is telling you that a search phrase gets 100,000 searches a month.

        It really isn't.

        It is saying an adwords ad using this KW will get that many impressions if you KW in your adgroup is set to broad match.

        If your using this tool for seo, then the results can be very misleading if you leave it at broad match.

        I always set the match to at least 'phrase' in order to get a better idea of actual search volume.

        Originally Posted by badass01 View Post

        as I said, article marketing is a waste of time for me so why should I read a book about it?

        same for my writing, I don't make money from it so why should I bother?

        Steven insulted me, I didn't start.
        you have no interest or experience with article writing.. you have never read anything regarding it..

        So why are you posting on this thread?
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          • Profile picture of the author danemorgan
            Originally Posted by badass01 View Post

            Being in the WF for years I pretty much learned and tested all the methods under the sun... truth is, article marketing is the worst way to make a living online, period.
            Which is about as meaningless a statement as I've come by recently. Kinda like saying "Stocking the shelves is the worst way to make a living off line".

            There are so many (false) assumptions in this single statement that I'm not even sure where to begin.

            The big two are that
            1) Article Marketing is used solely or primarily as a complete business model as opposed to a marketing tool
            2) That all those using the tool seek to make their income directly from those articles
            3) That all people marketing through articles take as long to write an article as you think they do or achieve as few results as you apparently have.

            Trouble is, none of these assumptions hold any water. The most you can actually say is that YOU have not found a method of using articles in marketing that is profitable for YOU.

            Most people would say safe list marketing is a waste of time, and I would agree that for me it sure is. I do know a couple of people, however who make great money for very little time using it. Go figure, the world (and even the internet [and even internet marketing methods]) doesn't fit all nice and neatly folded into the little boxes some of us wish it would.
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      Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman View Post

      ...it is quite inaccurate if you put it on the "broad" setting. You'll get words that are thrown to gether like "build muscle lose fat" that it will say it has 1400 searches a day when it gets none, but put it on "phrase" and you'll get a better idea of how the keyword is...
      sshhhhhhush.
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    Yes that is how products are born, but not by saying "Every" when you obviously haven't read every one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
    Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

    Yes that is how products are born, but not by saying "Every" when you obviously haven't read every one.
    :confused: Is Coca-Cola really the best soft drink? I mean, come on, little over the top. It's ironic and if you opened this thread thinking I had gone through every article marketing product, well, that's a whole other thread...

    Originally Posted by Bryan Zimmerman View Post

    You have been here a long time, so I'm not quite understanding where it was you never quite were not told how to do proper keyword research.

    There's got to be a hundred threads oni it. Did you just not read any of them? Not trying to be rude at all with this, I just don't know how you could have not read at least one of them in the amount of time you've been here and all of a sudden you made this discovery
    I've never seen it illustrated that well (up until recently), last night I saw a great thread that showed how to do good KW research. I was doing it and getting by, I just wasn't getting stellar results--it's that simple. I was using Google Adwords how I was supposed to and getting pretty boring results, when I switched things up I got significantly better results.
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      Originally Posted by Andrew Maule View Post

      I've never seen it illustrated that well (up until recently), last night I saw a great thread that showed how to do good KW research. I was doing it and getting by, I just wasn't getting stellar results--it's that simple. I was using Google Adwords how I was supposed to and getting pretty boring results, when I switched things up I got significantly better results.
      As long as your getting the results you want and found a way to do it better than what you were doing, it's a good thing. Get ready for a nice increase on your money if your now getting better results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    G KWT, filtered to exact, X 75%.
    followed by "in quotes" searches to check competition.

    For the those trying to have the last word and out-ego each other, get off the pedestals and back to the forum.

    Best movie line ever - "The only way to win is not to play the game"

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  • Profile picture of the author captivereef
    I am not a huge success by IM standards but i have made almost $20,000 in the last two yeas doing nothing but writing two articles on my lunch break at work everyday. Total cost zero! So to me it is an effective and good way to make money passively.

    I tend not to use keyword ressearch tools much but instead go where people in my niche hang out and see what problems thay are having and base article around those problems.

    everyone has different methods and opinions but there no clear cut winner that works the same for everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris_Willow
    Aside from the flame war going on here, I just wanted to jump in and say that I like the burger flipping analogy a lot. Everything that is not automated or outsourced (some of my businesses too) is kind a selling your time. And if you wanted to make a million bucks, you would need to sell an awful lot of your time OR you should sell it pretty darn expensively.
    Article marketing is not for making a bunch of money by itself, unless you're a writer, but it can be a great tool just as forum marketing, video marketing, seo, ppc or anything else.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Hmmm...

    All article marketing products are crap.

    Great way to gain a good reputation at this forum. LOL

    And the "badass" guy? Whatever, dude...

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    • Profile picture of the author MJ Schaefer
      What a shocking thread this is.

      On the IM front we are told what *doesn't* work, but given no solution.

      On the social front, a couple of "Warriors" have let themselves down. The inability to control ego is quite amazing...

      The only one to come out with credit is Jay.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Redbeard,

        Why would these Warriors want to give it all away for free here to people who obviously aren't willing to develop a professional and friendly relationship, or to trolls who are just here to boost their post count and post a WSO...one which probably doesn't provide a solution. LOL

        If you expected to find solutions in a thread titled "Every Article Marketing Product Is Full Of Sh*t" then I think you came to the wrong place.

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        • Profile picture of the author MJ Schaefer
          Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

          Redbeard,

          Why would these Warriors want to give it all away for free here to people who obviously aren't willing to develop a professional and friendly relationship, or to trolls who are just here to boost their post count and post a WSO...one which probably doesn't provide a solution. LOL

          If you expected to find solutions in a thread titled "Every Article Marketing Product Is Full Of Sh*t" then I think you came to the wrong place.

          Allen Graves
          Allen,

          If you think I came to the "wrong place", that is a condemnation of the forum, not myself.

          Personally, I don't think it is good form to plant doubt in people's minds without, at least, substantiating it. That belongs in a sales letter, not in a forum IMHO.

          I also believe that the Warrior Forum is *better* than that. Or, at least, it used to be. If it is now used primarily as a conductor for product launches, it's a real shame.

          The timeless principle of 'give and you shall receive' seems to be fast disappearing. Sorry, but threads like this one just subtract...something...from the whole experience.

          RB
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            Originally Posted by Redbeard View Post

            Allen,

            If you think I came to the "wrong place", that is a condemnation of the forum, not myself.

            Personally, I don't think it is good form to plant doubt in people's minds without, at least, substantiating it. That belongs in a sales letter, not in a forum IMHO.

            I also believe that the Warrior Forum is *better* than that. Or, at least, it used to be. If it is now used primarily as a conductor for product launches, it's a real shame.

            The timeless principle of 'give and you shall receive' seems to be fast disappearing. Sorry, but threads like this one just 0subtract...something...from the whole experience.

            RB
            IF you can read through all the bullshit on this thread, there are actually a few good tips on how to do keyword research better. This thread probably would have been a lot more informative if it didn't put people on the defensive with the OP's thread title.

            There's still a ton of great threads on keyword research where you can find all you want. Allen can be quite helpful if approached the right way and has been in a ton of threads, but when someone has a product out and someone else loops it in with "they are all bullshit" being a little pissed about it is pretty normal.
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