Should I Respond To JV Inquiries If I Am Not Interested?

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I get JV requests from time to time and most of them are not of interest to me and I don't feel that my list would be interested in their product. Plus I usually search for new products myself because I know what my lists want. I used to respond saying thanks but I don't think my list is your target market; I will keep you in mind if that changes and I would get angry replies trying to convince me that my lists for sure would be interested, so I stopped responding.


Also, what is interesting to me is that most those requests don't offer a favor exchange so to speak. They just ask me to send an e-mail to my subscribers but don't say they are going to promote my products to their lists. On a side note I am kind of offended by their commission which is laughable and is not near to what I offer my affiliates so I am kind of put off that they ask me to promote their stuff on a commission that is lower than the affiliate products I am currently promoting and is less then what I pay my affiliates.


Do you think it is better to just ignore these inquiries if I am not interested or still better to say a polite thank you? I don't want to be mean or anything and I don't want to hurt their feelings either. What do you think? What would you do? Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author indexphp
    Ummmmm... I don't post much, but let me tell you:

    WHY WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THEM?

    They are clearly newbs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Why not respond and politely decline? I get a number of requests and always reply, even though the request is not suitable for my business or I am too busy to get involved. It's good manners and good business to respond.

      As for the comment: "Why respond, they are clearly newbs?" That is all the more reason to respond. Help someone else out with some good advice. Trust me, a little kindness doesn't go unrewarded. I did not achieve my success by being rude.
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      • Profile picture of the author Norman Smith
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        Why not respond and politely decline? I get a number of requests and always reply, even though the request is not suitable for my business or I am too busy to get involved. It's good manners and good business to respond.

        As for the comment: "Why respond, they are clearly newbs?" That is all the more reason to respond. Help someone else out with some good advice. Trust me, a little kindness doesn't go unrewarded. I did not achieve my success by being rude.

        I Agree with Kevin,
        Online or Offline a polite reply,does you no harm at all. Even to the morons.

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    • Profile picture of the author artwebster
      Originally Posted by Garrett Aren View Post

      Ummmmm... I don't post much, but let me tell you:

      WHY WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THEM?

      They are clearly newbs.
      Well - that says it all!
      Why do people post questions about ethics if this is an indication of prevalent attitudes.
      Thankfully nobody else has echoed this but how deep does the rot go?
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      • Profile picture of the author Gary And Billy
        Like the others, I would send a reply with a polite refusal.

        It is only courteous to reply after somebody has taken the time to contact you.

        In time, they come back with a project that you are interested in.

        I would be tempted to have a stock 'add-on' to your replies which outline some of the terms and conditions that you would be interested in.

        Gary
        PS. Kevins response was very professional and after just becoming aquainted with his posts over the past few weeks it confirms to me what an ourstanding man of integrity he is.

        Only yesterday somebody made a non-too-favourable comment about one of his videos and instead of reacting negatively about it and retaliating, he took the comments on the chin and thanked the person for making the comments.

        I greatly admired that act of humility and my opinion of him increased even more.

        An example to us all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Elliott
      Originally Posted by Garrett Aren View Post

      Ummmmm... I don't post much, but let me tell you:

      WHY WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THEM?

      They are clearly newbs.
      What the? arrogant definition | Dictionary.com
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Garrett Aren View Post

      Ummmmm... I don't post much, but let me tell you:

      WHY WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THEM?

      They are clearly newbs.
      Don't respond to me then, because I'm always a newb - at something.

      And thank goodness! I would hate to go through life thinking I'm an expert at everything. There would be nothing to learn, no growth, no fun.

      All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author giselle.benites
      I would definitely respond even if I am not interested in what they are offering. It's polite. Of course once you give your response & they keep approaching you & even worse (in a negative way) the just ignore them, block them & even report them if you feel they are offending you.

      To your success,

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    • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
      One of the biggest Newbs I can remember is Anik Singal. (I think he started IM just after I did). Same with Mike Filsaime, (He was a newb at one time) They now both run multi million dollar businesses.

      It's good karma to be polite, you never know who you may meet and need a favor from one day especially if you meet them on their way up and you are on your way down

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      Originally Posted by Garrett Aren View Post

      Ummmmm... I don't post much, but let me tell you:

      WHY WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THEM?

      They are clearly newbs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Valeriu Popescu
        Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

        One of the biggest Newbs I can remember is Anik Singal. (I think he started IM just after I did). Same with Mike Filsaime, (He was a newb at one time) They now both run multi million dollar businesses.
        Kim
        Yeah, I also remember those times. I'm just wondering IF they remember too... and I'm saying pretty much here.

        Very interesting topic, came here lately and read everything. It seems everybody had a good point and it's hard to decide if it's black or white.

        From my own experience I can tell you this: some people respond back, some don't. It's a matter of time management or personal interfere.

        Some people/companies get 100's of JV proposals by day!! Now imagine how much time it takes to get back to all. Not to mention that it's almost impossible to reach a guy like ... let's say John Reese... by email or phone. Unless you know his private email or cell #. So your messages are judge in this case by other people from these companies.

        Some people/companies get less JV offers by day. So it doesn't hurt to offer a canned email.

        I was dealing with BOTH situations lately. Some big names respond, some don't. Some small names respond, some don't. But I never take this personally.

        Since I do not get 100's of JV proposals by day, I prefer to send back a polite refuse or to accept a JV offer.

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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
        Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

        One of the biggest Newbs I can remember is Anik Singal. (I think he started IM just after I did). Same with Mike Filsaime, (He was a newb at one time) They now both run multi million dollar businesses.

        It's good karma to be polite, you never know who you may meet and need a favor from one day especially if you meet them on their way up and you are on your way down

        Kim
        I had a stand up war of words with MikeF over safelist automation he was using, got quite personal.

        I Ignored a request from Anik when he was just starting.

        Neither of them remember the incident at all, and both are on my call list... I do business with both.. In fact Aniks partner Amit is speaking at the UK LFMpire builders workshop this weekend.

        And if it wasnt for his launch this week Anik himself would be speaking...

        Only petty people hold grudges Kim, and if they are that shallow you dont want to be doing business with them anyway

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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
          Thanks to this thread, another inspiration for my new Brain Dump video series:

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        • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
          Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

          I had a stand up war of words with MikeF over safelist automation he was using, got quite personal.

          I Ignored a request from Anik when he was just starting.

          Neither of them remember the incident at all, and both are on my call list... I do business with both.. In fact Aniks partner Amit is speaking at the UK LFMpire builders workshop this weekend.

          And if it wasnt for his launch this week Anik himself would be speaking...

          Only petty people hold grudges Kim, and if they are that shallow you dont want to be doing business with them anyway

          Robert
          Robert,

          Glad this worked out for you. But you obviously had something they wanted or they had something you wanted. Whether or not they remembered is not important. Their ambition and yours obviously created a short or erasable memory.

          But how many others are out there that could have helped you grow your business closed that door because of similar responses? You'll never know and that is the point.

          And it's not necessarily petty. It may just be a business credo or philosophy. It also may be a sign (perception) of someone's character that one is not willing to ignore.

          Personally, someone would have to come back to me with an apology or explanation before I would consider doing business with them. There are always other options, particularly when you have become successful or have something that you know is hot.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I try to respond with a polite no, most of the time..

    Occasionally, if I get a PM at the Warrior Forum (of which there are many and most aren't good requests) I will make my decision, and then tell myself I will reply later, but I forget. I might go offline, or be doing some other stuff and simply lose thoughts about it..

    It is good to reply though. I always try to.

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  • Profile picture of the author edman
    I usually reply depending on the nature of the email, I even get people adding me on skype sometimes, and I do listen... I don't think you have to reply to all of them and not because they are newbies, that really is no reason to ignore a good JV or just because you feel you are superior and your polite words will diminish your status.

    If you spot a potentially good deal, but their offer is mediocre, then do make your own proposal, you'll be surprised that you'll develop a profitable partnership.

    Thanks

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  • Profile picture of the author Gmaster
    If I'm not interested to join, I'll reply politely to decline the offer. Once we decline politely, they can't pushed us to do so.
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  • Profile picture of the author n7 Studios
    Always respond with a polite "no" if you're not interested.

    Why? Because you never know when your paths might cross again. Say this person has another JV offer in the future that's more suited to you (and they might even know it) - would they offer it to you if they never heard from you last time, or go elsewhere?

    It also works both ways. Not related to JV, but people contact me with web design / development enquiries. I take the time to respond to all of them, even if it's to say I can't do something. Those who aren't then interested in my price, proposal etc. rarely respond to say thanks but no thanks - and then weeks later contact me again with another proposal.

    No prizes for guessing what I do the second time round...

    It takes seconds to return correspondence with a polite decline, and keeps doors open for the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Dear Activetrader,

      Your last paragraph contains not only your question but the correct answer, too.

      Yes, I got 11 JV offers so far this year. I politely replied them wihout delay because want to help people who ask, and if I were he/she I also waited for that answer. If you get answer then you may realize that they take you seriously as a future business partner.

      The best policy is to tell the reason if I reject something because -- I'm thinking long term. I experienced that people understand and accept my reasons. If you don't answer to an offer they ask nothing from you in the future. Would it be good for you? Of course not.

      Deal with others in such a way as you would like it that they should deal with you.

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    • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
      Originally Posted by n7 Studios View Post

      Always respond with a polite "no" if you're not interested.

      Why? Because you never know when your paths might cross again. Say this person has another JV offer in the future that's more suited to you (and they might even know it) - would they offer it to you if they never heard from you last time, or go elsewhere?

      It also works both ways. Not related to JV, but people contact me with web design / development enquiries. I take the time to respond to all of them, even if it's to say I can't do something. Those who aren't then interested in my price, proposal etc. rarely respond to say thanks but no thanks - and then weeks later contact me again with another proposal.

      No prizes for guessing what I do the second time round...

      It takes seconds to return correspondence with a polite decline, and keeps doors open for the future.
      You're right on the money.

      The fact that this can even be in question is troubling. Is anyone so big and important in this industry that they are above approach? I think not. Why not be professional all the time? And if you think the person is off base, why not assume they don't know better and educate them.

      There are some successful people in this industry that are a bit full of themselves. I don't know why because their level of success would probably be laughable in other circles.

      Let's not lose touch of the bigger picture. We are all just working stiffs trying to take care of ourselves and our families. Why not be courteous and generous along the way and share.
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  • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
    It is always best to respond.

    Here's an illustration:

    People request copywriters here - I send them PMs and often
    the don't respond. Do you think I bother answering query threads
    that person creates in the future?

    No. I don't.

    Why help a person for free in his business when he lacks common
    courtesy?

    Why waste my time interacting of helping a person who requests
    inquiries about services I offer and then never acknowledges?

    Be courteous when somebody inquires. Acknowledge you got their
    message.

    I get requests from people to join their MLMs for example. It is
    tricky to politely decline so I just write back "not recruitable. thanks"
    A little blunt, but at least it is an acknowledgement of the
    inquiry.
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  • Profile picture of the author nathanro
    I think that both as a marketer and as a human being you should be polite always, If I wanted to JV with someone I would test them to see how they are as human beings, I do not want to promote jerks.

    So it costs you nothing (unless you are receiving hundreds of JV offers per day) to have a template response saved and just copy and paste when you are not interested.

    But always replay, always be polite, you never know how far you will go by doing this.

    That is my humble opinion
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I respond - and don't criticize their product or their commission. (If I'm not promoting it, it's not my place to critique their offer). I don't offer any explanation or excuse - just say it doesn't fit with what I'm doing now.

      I thank them for thinking of me, decline and wish them luck with their promotion. It takes only a moment - to me ignoring a request is bad manners and possibly bad business.

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        The fact that this can even be in question is troubling. Is anyone so big and important in this industry that they are above approach? I think not.
        I always find this topic fascinating, because it always gets this sort of response.

        Why do you turn a time management issue into a matter of perceived arrogance? What is the purpose or desired result of that application of spin?

        I try to answer this sort of request, but it's not always practical. Between PMs, DMs, emails and phone calls, I could not answer everyone who wanted my attention and still accomplish anything else.
        Why not be professional all the time?
        Define professional. Then explain to me why I, or anyone else, should be bound by your standard.


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        • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          I always find this topic fascinating, because it always gets this sort of response.

          Why do you turn a time management issue into a matter of perceived arrogance? What is the purpose or desired result of that application of spin?

          I try to answer this sort of request, but it's not always practical. Between PMs, DMs, emails and phone calls, I could not answer everyone who wanted my attention and still accomplish anything else.Define professional. Then explain to me why I, or anyone else, should be bound by your standard.


          Paul
          If you read the original post, she gets "requests from time to time". That doesn't sound like a time management issue to me. And I'm sorry, but I don't see what the big deal is to give a polite no if someone provided a polite request.

          I have yet to meet a successful person that made it without help from others. I know that I have owed my success to others. What is wrong with appreciating that journey and treating everyone with respect and consideration.

          You're right. Professionalism is in the eye of the beholder. If you feel that ignoring people reaching out for help is professional, who am I to argue? It's just not my way.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            If you read the original post, she gets "requests from time to time". That doesn't sound like a time management issue to me. And I'm sorry, but I don't see what the big deal is to give a polite no if someone provided a polite request.
            I did read it. And I didn't say it was a big deal either way. You, however, seem to be making it into one.
            What is wrong with appreciating that journey and treating everyone with respect and consideration.
            Not a thing. Did I say there was?

            You do seem to enjoy turning differences in approach into attitude issues. Is this a hobby?

            By the way, I am not one of those people who believe that everyone deserves respect. I believe you should give it to each person until they prove they don't deserve it. That hasn't much to do with the original topic, but it does relate to your comments.
            If you feel that ignoring people reaching out for help is professional, who am I to argue?
            You're funny. If you're going to lay the "Holier than thou" trip on me, you're going to have to practice a bit. You're way too transparent to get any traction with it.

            A: I am not the one telling people how they have to behave to appear "professional." The word 'professional,' by the way, is not defined as "doing things the way I think they should be done." For any value of 'I.'

            B: Sending someone a JV offer is not something I consider to be "reaching out for help."

            C: I didn't say that ignoring people was the preferred response, merely that it's sometimes the only practical one.

            D: I do not subscribe to the notion that someone choosing to send me an unsolicited offer creates any form of obligation on my part to respond. Especially if, as some have pointed out, the sender hasn't bothered to make even the most basic effort to see if it's something that might be a decent fit.

            I will point out that I have, at various times, done all of the things that have been suggested here as appropriate responses. When I do those things, it's because I choose to do them, not because someone tells me it's somehow my duty as a 'professional.'

            You're leaping to some mighty tall conclusions there, Superboy.


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            • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              I did read it. And I didn't say it was a big deal either way. You, however, seem to be making it into one.Not a thing. Did I say there was?

              You do seem to enjoy turning differences in approach into attitude issues. Is this a hobby?

              By the way, I am not one of those people who believe that everyone deserves respect. I believe you should give it to each person until they prove they don't deserve it. That hasn't much to do with the original topic, but it does relate to your comments.You're funny. If you're going to lay the "Holier than thou" trip on me, you're going to have to practice a bit. You're way too transparent to get any traction with it.

              A: I am not the one telling people how they have to behave to appear "professional." The word 'professional,' by the way, is not defined as "doing things the way I think they should be done." For any value of 'I.'

              B: Sending someone a JV offer is not something I consider to be "reaching out for help."

              C: I didn't say that ignoring people was the preferred response, merely that it's sometimes the only practical one.

              D: I do not subscribe to the notion that someone choosing to send me an unsolicited offer creates any form of obligation on my part to respond. Especially if, as some have pointed out, the sender hasn't bothered to make even the most basic effort to see if it's something that might be a decent fit.

              I will point out that I have, at various times, done all of the things that have been suggested here as appropriate responses. When I do those things, it's because I choose to do them, not because someone tells me it's somehow my duty as a 'professional.'

              You're leaping to some mighty tall conclusions there, Superboy.


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              I'm not looking to get into a pissing contest nor am I preaching some kind of global code of conduct. These are simply my thoughts and beliefs. That being said, I'm sure there are people out there who would say I didn't respond accordingly. I doubt whether any of us are perfect. I just set up my own rules and do the best I can to live by them.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Bob,
                I'm not looking to get into a pissing contest
                No? Then I would very much like to hear the motivation behind this connotationally loaded comment:
                If you feel that ignoring people reaching out for help is professional, who am I to argue?
                The problem with commentary of that type comes when the target or any of the viewers break it down based on the various assumptions and inferences it's intended to convey.

                Without more basis in reality than your comment had, you just end up attracting the attention of people who already agree with you and aren't actively thinking about what they read. In short, preaching to the choir.

                The choir, in this case, consists of people who want to create a feeling of guilt or obligation on the part of strangers they choose to approach, in the belief that this will somehow get them the response they desire.

                There's a problem with that approach. It steers the choir away from things that actually work. Things like properly matching the offer to the market, and respecting others' time and resources. Like treating these contacts as business offers made between equals, rather than the supplication of needy beggars.

                Like offering value for value.

                Like it or not, when you reach a certain level of visibility in this market, you're going to get more offers than you can deal with. At some point, depending on how accessible you are perceived to be, that number will get to a level at which you can't practically respond to them all without interfering with your own business activities.

                I recall someone saying here a while back that, if he sent an email to a person about their product or service, and didn't receive a response from that person (not their staff), he wouldn't do business with them. That was fine, as a personal choice, but it was followed by implications much like yours. That the failure of that person to have unlimited time and attention made them somehow less professional or caring as a human being.

                That is both rude and generally inaccurate. More to the point, it fosters unrealistic expectations on the part of less experienced people.

                Your opinion is your business, Bob. I'm using your comments as a vehicle to explain this stuff to others here, who may not have considered the question from any perspective but the frustration that comes from having their unrealistic expectations left unmet.

                As soon as those people start thinking in terms of offers, instead of obligations, their odds of success go way up.


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                • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
                  Paul,

                  I stand by my "self-rules" and will not apologize for them. That being said, I don't make any claims that everyone should believe or act as I do. We all need to do what feels right.

                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  Without more basis in reality than your comment had, you just end up attracting the attention of people who already agree with you and aren't actively thinking about what they read. In short, preaching to the choir.
                  I don't think I preach to the choir. I usually have no shortage of people that disagree with me. Again, people should always do what feels right.


                  There's a problem with that approach. It steers the choir away from things that actually work. Things like properly matching the offer to the market, and respecting others' time and resources. Like treating these contacts as business offers made between equals, rather than the supplication of needy beggars.
                  Now this is useful information that we should all take note of. I think most people want to do it right, they just don't know how.


                  Like it or not, when you reach a certain level of visibility in this market, you're going to get more offers than you can deal with. At some point, depending on how accessible you are perceived to be, that number will get to a level at which you can't practically respond to them all without interfering with your own business activities.

                  I recall someone saying here a while back that, if he sent an email to a person about their product or service, and didn't receive a response from that person (not their staff), he wouldn't do business with them. That was fine, as a personal choice, but it was followed by implications much like yours. That the failure of that person to have unlimited time and attention made them somehow less professional or caring as a human being.

                  That is both rude and generally inaccurate. More to the point, it fosters unrealistic expectations on the part of less experienced people.
                  My initial comments were in response to the original post which stated she got JV requests "from time to time".

                  I understand the demands and limits on time. We all have a business to take care of and sometimes when you give an inch, someone looks to take a mile. And there are boundaries that should be kept in mind. But I will stand by my original assessment.

                  Disclaimer: The following is strictly the opinion of the author and should not be taken as gospel.

                  There are "some" people in this industry that are arrogant and have forgotten their roots. They are discourteous and have put themselves on a virtual pedestal. Anyone reaching out to them should do so knowing that there is a good chance they will be ignored. Yet on the other hand, these same people will present a wholesome, down to earth salesletter when it's time to turn it on and pitch a product.

                  I just simply never try to forget that you cross paths with people at different times of life under different circumstances. And my rule is to try to be courteous at all times even if I don't have something positive to say. One, because I feel its the right thing to do and two, because you never know who you are dealing with and when/how your paths will cross again.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
                    Originally Posted by bobsedge View Post

                    There are "some" people in this industry that are arrogant and have forgotten their roots. They are discourteous and have put themselves on a virtual pedestal. Anyone reaching out to them should do so knowing that there is a good chance they will be ignored. Yet on the other hand, these same people will present a wholesome, down to earth salesletter when it's time to turn it on and pitch a product.


                    Bob
                    I predict a response from Paul over this one, opinion or not

                    As an aside to this let me tell you while i can be arrogant, I never forget my roots. In fact this stuff gets to be like begging letters after you win the lottery and you start to feel guilty for not being able to respond.

                    it gets so debilitating that eventually you just have to block them out

                    I dont see any request, jv or otherwise or support tickets or questions from anyone. Unless my support supervisor and/or VA think i should and they send it to me. It took a lot of agonising and arguing with my self to take that step... BUT once done the result was hugely empowering.

                    I am free to do the things i love about this business like creating products and service and improving my business... And yes spending time with my grandson.

                    Untill you experience this side of IM you will never appreciate the draining effect of answering every thing personally.

                    I still answer the phone occassionally though so i can hear the suprise on the other end when they know they got through to the boss.

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Buckley
    What amazes me about the JV requests I receive is that they are almost always for some IM product. If the requester had taken any time to know me, he'd know that, until a month ago, I wasn't even involved in the IM market and didn't have an IM list. His offer is of no possible interest to my non-IM lists.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhongren
    Personally, I feel I will reply with a polite No.

    Plus sometimes, I offer some suggestions where
    else they can get help to promote their products.

    These are new marketers, perhaps and they could
    be just starting out.

    I remember when I first started out, some experienced
    markerters had helped me in this manner too...so
    I am paying it forward in my own ways.

    It is good to build positive relationship.

    My 2 cents,
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  • Profile picture of the author mr.schutz
    Respond and say no after.
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  • Profile picture of the author KC-Coop
    Personally yes, I would try and respond to them. I get a lot of them as well and I try to respond to each one. I even try to give them some advice as to who might be more interested than I am. If they become angry with you thats when you stop responding - but as long as their first email is polite - or even if it isn't, be the better person and respond to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheCren
    I say you should have some "canned," premade email you send back to all of them outlining common mistakes made when requesting JVs and also how to avoid them and get more "Yes" replies. This minimizes the work you need to do without completely burning bridges - some of these guys/girls might be useful to you in the future given the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe McVoy
    My thought is that it never hurts to help people and develop personal relationships with them. You never know who they might know.

    If you are an expert at JVs, put your knowledge in a free report and offer it to those who you turn down. Then really set yourself apart from everyone else by offering helpful advice in the report without selling anything.

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  • Profile picture of the author SeanIM
    Quite simply I'd say "yes" -- respond to them. Even as Kevin describe below, a polite decline.

    I have known far too many 'un heard of' millionaires online over the years that know one has heard of --- that have had the f'ing stupidest pitches for JVs I've ever heard. There are unknown whales and future whales out there. Keep that in mind when responding but of course limit your time with new inquiries...at the same time, keep those doors open. You never know who might be knocking.

    And besides, why be a jackass to an up-and-comer or an up-and-nowhere-goer? Just be polite and give your criteria (and have some criteria set prior) to help contain your response/reply/involvement.

    Hope this 2.5c was useful for you.

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    Originally Posted by activetrader View Post

    I get JV requests from time to time and most of them are not of interest to me and I don't feel that my list would be interested in their product. Plus I usually search for new products myself because I know what my lists want. I used to respond saying thanks but I don't think my list is your target market; I will keep you in mind if that changes and I would get angry replies trying to convince me that my lists for sure would be interested, so I stopped responding.


    Also, what is interesting to me is that most those requests don't offer a favor exchange so to speak. They just ask me to send an e-mail to my subscribers but don't say they are going to promote my products to their lists. On a side note I am kind of offended by their commission which is laughable and is not near to what I offer my affiliates so I am kind of put off that they ask me to promote their stuff on a commission that is lower than the affiliate products I am currently promoting and is less then what I pay my affiliates.


    Do you think it is better to just ignore these inquiries if I am not interested or still better to say a polite thank you? I don't want to be mean or anything and I don't want to hurt their feelings either. What do you think? What would you do? Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveJohnson
      Originally Posted by benj28 View Post

      If there is one thing which really really really annoys me... its when i contact the owner of a website or something similar... for any reason at all and dont get a reply.

      ... Nobody is so busy they cant politly reply to emails. Whether its for JVs or not.
      I am. If I were to reply to every email sent to me, I would get nothing done.

      I'm with Paul on this one. Just because you send me an email doesn't mean I'm obligated to answer you.

      The only way you're going to get my attention is to figure out, on your own, by trial and error, a way to make it through my 'daily noise' filters.

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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
      Originally Posted by benj28 View Post

      Been totally ignored for any reason is incredibly annoying. Nobody is so busy they cant politly reply to emails. Whether its for JVs or not.
      Hopefully you will become succesfull in IM so i can see or hear you eat those words
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  • Profile picture of the author Barbara Wilson
    I try to reply to emails no matter the topic. (And I'm saying "try" because I might lose some due to the spam volume. I have to make delete/read decisions pretty quickly - so if the subject line looks "spammy" it might get deleted without my realizing it's a "request".)

    Anyway - it's not because it might be someone that can help me later. It's just that, to me, that's the polite thing to do.

    Of course, in my neck of the woods - people driving down the street wave to folks walking on the road or working out in their yards. And the "walkers" and the "workers" wave back!

    I don't have a lot of products out there where I get a bunch of emails for more info or JV's or other questions or complaints. Still, it can sometimes cause a time management problem when I'm especially busy. But it doesn't "feel right" to me to ignore people.

    I really think that's what this boils down to - what "feels right" for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
    It really does depend on how it is done, also there is a big difference between asking for help and sending a JV invite.

    Most people who are looking for JV's should be organised to know who they need to invite in advance, and then give people time to reply.

    I rarely reply to emails which seem to be of a generic nature, and they have taken time to find my site, and yet not taken enough time to find that the site is nothing to do with their promotion. It is like having a diet site and being asked to promote the hottest IM product. The fit isn't there.

    I try and reply to PM and also to those emails which are not of a generic nature, but a few do get missed. These things happen, and if I'm an busy I can easily miss some, or even find them later in spam folder.
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    • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post


      I rarely reply to emails which seem to be of a generic nature, and they have taken time to find my site, and yet not taken enough time to find that the site is nothing to do with their promotion. It is like having a diet site and being asked to promote the hottest IM product. The fit isn't there.

      I try and reply to PM and also to those emails which are not of a generic nature, but a few do get missed. These things happen, and if I'm an busy I can easily miss some, or even find them later in spam folder.
      This is an excellent distinction.
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  • Profile picture of the author BizBooks
    if the warrior seems like a normal human being, newbie or not, I respond.


    if the PM sender gives me the heebie-jeebies... I ignore the message. it helps to see if its the person's first day on the forum or if they have a few posts or some time on the forum behind them.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
    Robert,

    I understand your position and happen to agree with it one hundred percent.

    I have at times had 100 employees. And I love to do the same things you enjoy doing (except for the grandson thing because I'm not there yet). I set up layers so I didn't speak to everyone. But I had a system in place to make sure that everyone was responded to within 24 hours (not a perfect science but a strong goal). People need to respect infrastructures and understand that they may not reach the exact person they intended when dealing with an organization.

    I understand the lottery analogy. You're right. People sniff you out when you become successful. It just may be the price of success.

    Perhaps what I am perceiving as arrogance is actually disorganization. If that is the case, I'm probably not the only one and perhaps these people should reach out to a mentor or someone of experience to help them better manage their business and their time (just a suggestion).

    Now, there are some people who make it obvious that they don't have time to entertain joint ventures or proposals. Perhaps they experienced what you and Paul obviously have. They state it on their websites and other places. Whether anyone likes it or not, it's at least honest and those requests should be respected.

    The bottom line is that everyone is obviously entitled to run their affairs as they wish. That being said, people may perceive actions or inactions a certain way. If that's not of interest fine, but if we care about how we are thought of, then we must take responsibility. We can argue it, rationalize it, deny it, whatever- perception is truth all the time.

    Bob
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
    I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody. ~~Bill Cosby

    I have this pinned on my wall
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Bob,
      perception is truth all the time.
      I think it's more useful to comment on this than the section Da Udder Bob thought I would.

      At one point, I probably would have agreed with this. It is tempting to acknowledge the existence of perception as fact, and attempt to exercise control over it. It feels somehow like the "responsible" thing to do.

      The challenge is that it's every bit as much illusion as the perceptions we're talking about. A snapshot, taken based on limited information and through filters we may not even know exist, much less have the ability to control.

      I find it more useful these days to simply point out to people that our perceptions are just that: Perceptions. They are, at best, a flawed and imperfect reflection of a small part of the reality outside of our direct experience. They're often the best information we have at a given time, but we should not make the mistake of thinking they're necessarily right or accurate.

      Interestingly, the more aware we become of the process of perception (the verb) and the errors built into it, the more reliable our perception (the noun) becomes.

      For instance, when you went from the assumption that failure to reply was a sign of arrogance to allowing for the possibility that it's a matter of disorganization, you recognized the potential for error. You considered that, perhaps, it's not a question of good guy or bad guy at all.

      That's a significant shift in perception, but the reality - the truth - of the matter didn't change.

      When you get to the point where you don't feel the need to assign motives based on contextless actions, that's a bigger step. That's where you quit thinking about villains and victims altogether, until there is real evidence of malice.

      What's the point of my questioning this? Simply that, when we say things like "Perception is truth," we encourage people to continue to believe whatever is convenient and easy and comfortable in the moment, rather than to look for the real truth of any circumstance.

      In pandering to those illusions, we allow ourselves to become slaves to the lazy thinking and prejudice of others.

      Sorry, dude. Not mah thang.


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  • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
    I always respond to JV offers. 9 times out of 10, I decline, but I always give them a reason why. I feel that my reason will help them to either better tailor their marketing pitch or can be an element to add to their learning process.
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  • Profile picture of the author anton343
    Here's a view from the other side

    I pay a monthly subscription to an experienced IM's product

    About 6 months ago I sent a JV request to the person regarding a product I was selling.
    I got an automated reply saying that my JV request would be looked at but it may not be possible to receive a reply due to the number of requests etc. he has.

    However a couple of days later I did receive a reply declining the request with a few of the reasons why. I found this perfectly acceptable.

    I am still subscribing to his product and we still have a great relationship as I continue to learn from him.

    Would I still be a subscriber of his today if I had been completely blanked? I doubt it. i would have been happy just receiving the automated reply as he said it would be looked at and he has never given me any reason to doubt him

    Yes we may be "newbies" but we deserve the same respect as anyone else....we are the people you make your living from and who buy your products

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  • Profile picture of the author Shakul
    Hello,

    Just reply to them and say their product isnt good..or give any other reason....If you dont respond to them then some noob may trash your reps saying he didnt never got any reply from you..So, the best way it to reply...Make an universal decline message and when you get message from some noob, just send them this message..And when they get some message from you they will think that you are genuine...

    Regards
    Shakul
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Just reply to them and say their product isnt good..or give any other reason....If you dont respond to them then some noob may trash your reps saying he didnt never got any reply from you..
      Oh, yeah. That's a GREAT idea. Just bash someone's product, which you haven't even looked at, and cut down their hopes of making their business work? Just on the off chance that they'll "trashmouth" you in a forum somewhere if you don't?

      That's a really useful approach...


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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    I always politely decline as if they have made the effort to contact me it is just good manners and what if they have something worthwhile next time. if you hadnt contacted them back they might never contact you again.
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  • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
    Paul,

    You can argue the concept of perception until you are blue in the face but it doesn't change the fact. Most people are perhaps not as self-aware as you are to realize their view of life and things may be wrong.

    And this is not to you, but if we go through life being a jerk and delude ourselves into thinking that people will understand why, it's just that delusional. You are what you portray yourself to be.

    The bottom line is, if we ignore people or are rude, they will not rationalize our actions. They will assume that we are a jerk or arrogant or selfish or... If we behave this way, we should be ok with this otherwise we must understand that there are people out there that feel that way about us.

    It is totally unrealistic to expect people to understand our motives. We are how we act.
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  • Profile picture of the author sylviad
    You never can be sure what is coming down the road. If you are rude or simply ignore JV inquiries, you could be jeopardizing a great opportunity in the future. Your situation might change. Their situation might change. Both of you might end up promoting in the same niche.

    It's best to keep your options open. Plus it's just common courtesy to respond politely.

    Have a generic email ready to go in response to those unwanted offers. As someone said, build a little PS that states what would make a good JV offer for you - mention your niche, your expectations in a JV, etc.

    You might even reverse the offer - and make a JV offer back to them for your product. Something to the effect that while you are not in that particular niche at the moment, you are in this one. If they are interested in JVing with you to promote YOUR product, here's your offer.

    You might as well make the best of an opportunity. They are looking for JVs - you are looking for JV partners. You never know. The JV they are presenting might only be one of several niches they are in.

    That's what I'd do.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Bob,
      If we behave this way, we should be ok with this
      We should be okay with people thinking we're jerks even if we behave like saints. No matter what we do, the majority of people will rationalize it to fit their preconceived notions of the world and how it works.

      That is all we should "expect."

      I very often point out alternative perspectives, most commonly when one or more people assert certainty about motives of which they can't possibly be certain. People very often assume I do this for the sake of argument.

      This makes no sense. Why would someone "argue" for uncertainty? Where is the ego gratification in, "We don't know?"

      I believe that the majority of people are basically good. Even the folks with the most toxic behavior usually mean well. Every time someone honestly considers - not accepts, just considers - that there might be a different thing going on than they assume, that person becomes more open to the truth. Over the course of time, this gets easier and easier for them to do, until it becomes a part of them.

      It's only a small percentage of people, and most of them never say anything. But a few start to openly question the claims of the chronically certain. And, because they see more of the possibilities, they're more likely to be right, more often.

      Seems like a useful thing to encourage.


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  • Profile picture of the author bobsedge
    Paul,

    I can't disagree with your logic. Only if it were easy...

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