Do you put your unsubscribe link at the top of your updates?

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Do you make it very easy for your readers to get off your lists? When would putting an unsubscribe link at the very top of every update make sense? I am bringing this up here to see if any one else thinks the idea of a 'self-cleaning' list is better than a list full of freebie-seeking/specific AM only email accounts/deadweight members.

CAN SPAM requires a real address and unsubscribe link at the bottom. That's the basic requirement. Do you go BEYOND the basics to ensure your list only contains people who WANT to be on that list?

Would requiring DOUBLE OPT IN as well as putting an UNSUBSCRIBE LINK at the top of every update help you build a BETTER LIST?
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Any feedback on this? Wouldn't this IMPROVE your list?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      Do you make it very easy for your readers to get off your lists?
      Oh yes, very easy. I don't want people who don't want to stay subscribed on the list.

      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      When would putting an unsubscribe link at the very top of every update make sense?
      Not sure ... it would perhaps on how often you send them?

      Autoresponder companies do require an unsubscribe link (or at least unsubscribing instructions) to be in every email (because "Can-Spam" requires it, I think?).

      It certainly doesn't have to be at the top, though.

      I sometimes remind people (while mentioning why they're receiving the email, what was discussed in the previous one and what's coming up next and when, which is all part of my continuity) that they can always unsubscribe by clicking the link at the bottom.

      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      Any feedback on this? Wouldn't this IMPROVE your list?
      That's how it's always seemed to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    I always start the first message with telling people what and how often and that they can unsub at anytime and how to do it. After that I leave it up to them
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

      I always start the first message with telling people what and how often and that they can unsub at anytime and how to do it. After that I leave it up to them
      I see. Interesting point. Basically, notify once and leave it at the bottom. My point regarding having the unsub link at the top is to have a CLEAN LIST all the time ie., my list will only contain people who want to read my stuff. As I mature in the list building business, the more I become aware of the problem of DEADWEIGHT. By putting an unsub list at the top, I seek to ensure that my lists are composed of people who a) enjoy being on my list and b) potential promoters of my list as I brand them with the quality of my mailer content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Your best bet would be to filter your buyers to a separate list, that way you can do that to a freebie list.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I only ever put the unsubscribe link down the bottom where it is supposed to go. I think nowadays people know (even outside of this industry) that unsubscribe links are always found at the bottom of an email. If someone marks your email as spam without unsubscribing I think they are usually the type of person who wouldn't unsubscribe even if the link were sitting right in front of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joel Young
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      If someone marks your email as spam without unsubscribing I think they are usually the type of person who wouldn't unsubscribe even if the link were sitting right in front of them.
      A lot of folks won't use the unsubscribe link because they're afraid it's just another email harvesting scheme, which in some cases it is. So they simply mark it as spam and let the filters take care of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author writeaway
        Originally Posted by Joel Young View Post

        A lot of folks won't use the unsubscribe link because they're afraid it's just another email harvesting scheme, which in some cases it is. So they simply mark it as spam and let the filters take care of it.
        I notice that most of the dudes that do that type of unsubscribe spam scheme DO NOT use Aweber, Mailchimp, Getresponse, and other trusted mail systems. They use their own custom install.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I put the unsubscribe link at the top and at the bottom in every email message because I read an article about this matter. This method helps you keep your subscribers. Less people unsubscribe when they can see that you don't want to impose anything.

    They remain in your list because they feel safe, and they trust your words.

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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

      I put the unsubscribe link at the top and at the bottom in every email message because I read an article about this matter. This method helps you keep your subscribers. Less people unsubscribe when they can see that you don't want to impose anything.

      They remain in your list because they feel safe, and they trust your words.
      While I do agree with this idea, I think there has to be balance. Greeting someone with the fact they can unsubscribe, in every email, can come across just as desperate as hiding the unsubscribe link. This is one of those techniques that if abused, can and will lose its power.

      My opinion would be to use this technique sporadically.

      To my success,
      Lucian
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    Personally it's best to put your unsubscribe link in a prominent place. It gives subscribers confidence in your organisation/business and it also means that you don't waste your efforts on those that have no interest in your product/service. A tight list is better than a bulky one with few buyers
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  • Profile picture of the author zimzalabim
    The unsubscribe link at the bottom - though at the top (before the "meat of the message" I always include details of when they subscribed, from where, from which IP number using which email address etc. and that if they want to unsub then they can easily do that.

    By putting the "reminder" up front (in theory at least........) the subscriber may be more inclined to remember that they are receiving a bona-fide email from a person/list they have legitimately subscribed to.

    Every little helps and all that.....
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I recently discovered a very nice internet marketing blog thanks to a comment written by a Warrior who always gives us very good lessons, but I don't remember her name. I will pay attention to this detail next time.

    I subscribed to their email list and this blog sends messages saying in the beginning something like “we will be sorry if you will leave but if you want to unsubscribe click here”.

    Many successful internet marketers use this tactic.







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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    The only marketer I know who puts his unsubscribe link at the top of his emails is Russell Brunson but I'm pretty certain he does that only on his buyers lists...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
      I leave mine at the bottom where Aweber puts it. On one hand I don't want anyone on the list who does not want to be there, but it is up to them to subscribe and unsubscribe. They can figure it out if they want off the list bad enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author EliteAffiliate
      I use get response and as far as I know there are no options on where to put the unsubscribe links. They are automatically placed directly beneath the message which is the standard place for them.

      I never thought of putting the link at the top, though as a reader I wouldn't find that a good thing in the emails I get from others. Not only would that come off to me as they are not confident in their messages and insecure assuming people won't want to be bothered by them cause they're not valuable enough, though it would also be an annoying distraction to the message itself and interupt the flow which should start with the greeting, then the immediate benefit to read the rest of the email next.

      Actually I'm so used to knowing the bottom of emails are where to find the unsubscribe links that I get very annoyed when emails I want to unsubscribe to don't have it at the bottom and I have to search for it and finally find it in the middle somehwere with a bunch of other stuff around it.

      Instead, I would simply make the first email people receive in the autoresponder series an email that has no content or sales message in it, and is only an email welcoming them to the newsletter and giving them a preview of what kinds of messages and content and benefits they'll receive as a subscriber to it with some preview teasers of what's coming soon if they stay subscribed and then tell them they could unsubscribe now or anytime in the future if they don't want this great content and provide the unsub link right after saying that. Cause many people that give their email to get a free report or to buy something, only want that thing and are not interested in now being subscribed to someone's newsletter. Though that's why you sell them on why they should want to stay subscribed before telling them they could unsub.

      Then the rest of the emails I'd only keep it normal at the bottom of the email.
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  • Profile picture of the author pa1968
    I leave the one that shows at the bottom of the email. Most people know it is there. So, if they want to unsubscribe, they can. At the top of the email, I would rather put a link to maybe some free offering I have to give away or a link to another post they could go see, either one that I made or one that I thought was good and I wanted tell my list about it, instead of the unsubscribe link. Keeping my list interested in so much more important than the placement of the unsubscribe link in my emails.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

    Do you make it very easy for your readers to get off your lists? When would putting an unsubscribe link at the very top of every update make sense? I am bringing this up here to see if any one else thinks the idea of a 'self-cleaning' list is better than a list full of freebie-seeking/specific AM only email accounts/deadweight members.

    CAN SPAM requires a real address and unsubscribe link at the bottom. That's the basic requirement. Do you go BEYOND the basics to ensure your list only contains people who WANT to be on that list?

    Would requiring DOUBLE OPT IN as well as putting an UNSUBSCRIBE LINK at the top of every update help you build a BETTER LIST?
    Me personally I would not do that because some of your subs that might have not subscribed and might have actually purchased something might be inclined to unsubscribe simply because the link was there so it triggered something in their mind which necessarily might not have been there before.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      I see. Interesting point. Basically, notify once and leave it at the bottom. My point regarding having the unsub link at the top is to have a CLEAN LIST all the time ie., my list will only contain people who want to read my stuff. As I mature in the list building business, the more I become aware of the problem of DEADWEIGHT. By putting an unsub list at the top, I seek to ensure that my lists are composed of people who a) enjoy being on my list and b) potential promoters of my list as I brand them with the quality of my mailer content.
      This will work for the people who are motivated enough to open your email and click your link. For the real "deadweight" - the ones who don't even bother opening the emails - it doesn't matter.

      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      While I do agree with this idea, I think there has to be balance. Greeting someone with the fact they can unsubscribe, in every email, can come across just as desperate as hiding the unsubscribe link. This is one of those techniques that if abused, can and will lose its power.

      My opinion would be to use this technique sporadically.

      To my success,
      Lucian
      I've used it as a trust builder, but mostly in emails actually formatted as newsletters. There's a block that reminds them when they subscribed (loyal subscriber since [date]) and what address they used to subscribe. Then I add something to the effect that I know their time is valuable, and if their life changes so that my newsletters no longer hold value for them they can unsubscribe with one twitch of their mouse finger (opt-out link).

      I tagged that one, as well as the one at the bottom. Over 90% that used one of those links used the bottom one.

      I do agree with you that using any unsub link should be done with care and, hopefully, with skill. "This is one of those techniques that if abused, can and will lose its power."
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  • Profile picture of the author JimDucharme
    Never make it hard for people to find an exit or they will make their own (in this case pressing the spam button). As one marketer said, there's no point in having them on my list if they don't want to be there.

    I personally like to have a very obvious unsub link and even one at the top and bottom.

    Regards,
    jim
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  • Profile picture of the author eClicker
    Hi,
    It seems like most people are conditioned to look at the bottom of an email for the "unsubscribe" link. I would keep it at the bottom.

    E
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