Article Writing and Tools

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I have been looking at the article writing industry from the perspective of a software developer investigating needs for productivity tools.

My initial approach has been to sign up to the "Get $$$ for writing articles" sites and see how it flows and if there is any potential to make things easier/faster and more more fun

So far I have observed:

1. It is easy to get started and start earning money straight away
2. There seems to be an endless flow of available work
3. If you have broad general knowledge, fast typing and grasp of grammar you can churn these things out very quickly

I can write 500 words in about 15 minutes. So if I was an top writer that would be an income of $40 - $50 per hour (based on my observations of what they are paying).

Next step is I need to do this faster. 500 words in 5 minutes without spinning. So what tools do I need? I am thinking:

- Templates based across various niches to get me started
- A very fast reference tool to get a feel for the topic or expand on definitions
- A tool to mini spin inserts of content into the article
- A repository of all content I have ever written that reflects my writing style per topic and can be pulled in AI style, spun and embedded into the article as required

Again, I am not an article writer, nor do I wish to do this for a living. This is just "a day in the life of an article writer" to get a feel for ways to improve their productivity.

Any thoughts on my observations would be welcome
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    I noticed that I can write articles much faster when I follow a simple format for each article. For example, write the introduction, the body (key points, etc), and the conclusion.

    At least that helped me a lot. Some people recommend Dragon Natural Speaking but I personally never used it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    Any thoughts on my observations would be welcome
    Are you sure? Any thoughts? (I was thinking that many writers might have some misgivings about replying to someone advertising "spinning" in their signature-file, but if my thoughts on your observations are really welcome, I'll happily take that at face value and offer them ).

    With absolutely no disrespect at all, I disagree with most of what you say, above. I think that "trying to write faster" is actually the enemy of success, when it comes to deriving income from writing articles.

    I've always found that that's true both from the perspective of someone selling articles, and that of someone writing articles "as her own customer" to attract traffic and build her own marketing business (which is what I do now, instead of selling articles, which was how I started online).

    From the perspective of selling the articles themselves, it's of some but very limited value to be able to churn out more $5/$10 articles, selling which is a far from easy way to build a business anyway: what makes the real difference to whether or not people can ultimately make a living from it, unsurprisingly enough, is whether they're selling $5/$10 articles or $100 articles.

    It's important to have a broad perspective of the real market involved, here. It's always seemed to me that the prices are in inverse proportion to the number of their respective potential service-providers (not necessarily the number of their potential customers!). By the time you get down (and I really do mean "down") to the $5/$10-per-article market, there are almost more service-providers than customers.

    It's all very well working out that you can earn $40 per hour by writing 500 words in 15 minutes (actually I think it's a huge exaggeration, and $20 would be much nearer the mark), but in any case the market realities are that the people who try to make a living that way nearly all fail, and there are reasons for that (and they're good and valid and reliable reasons, too). We can see that from all the threads they start off, here, to a few of which I'll give you links in a minute ...

    There are people here selling articles for $200 and quietly providing their regularly returning customers with them, without ever needing to advertise at all. Those are writers whose customers know how to use the product, survive and flourish, and they don't have to replace them all the time. Then there are others advertising $5 articles. Their customers don't know how to "do article marketing" at all (obviously - otherwise they wouldn't be buying them). They know only about "article directory marketing", so their own businesses tend not to survive. So, from their writers' perspectives, they need to replace their clients all the time and therefore need to advertise continually. And those are - clearly - the ones you see advertising. In other words, as is so often the case in all kinds of marketing, both online and offline, what you see "promoted" isn't necessarily what's selling and surviving, and isn't necessarily representative of the true market at all.

    Add to that the fact that most people arriving in this forum and asking "How should I start to earn some money online?" are - irrespective of their apparent standard of literacy - told "Write articles for marketers", and you can see why the product-availability at the very bottom end of the market is so huge and therefore those articles are difficult to sell, simply because of the relative proportions of supply and demand. They tend, also, just not to be very good, because they've been written quickly and/or with "tools". (For customers who can't tell the difference between that and something better, and value them accordingly, it may not matter, but those are also the customers whose own businesses don't survive, so they're not very good customers for the writers anyway.)

    People who are trying to "write more quickly" are all too often producing something that's an "article" only in the sense of being "a chunk of keyword-optimized stuff, the content of which has been more or less copied from somewhere and fed through a spinner, and a backlink can be attached to it". It's a fundamentally different concept of what an "article" is from that used by another group of article marketers, writers and their (direct or indirect) customers.

    In short: in most aspects of article creation and use, in internet marketing, speed and "tools" are actually the enemy of success, and they typify a quantitative rather than a qualitative approach. That's an approach that usually leads to failure rather than to success. Apart from for the people selling the tools, of course, because the turnover of aspiring writers is absolutely huge.

    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    Again, I am not an article writer, nor do I wish to do this for a living.
    No; I appreciate that, of course.

    But still, if you want to see the perspectives of many of those who do actually do (and/or "have done") this for a living, these threads are among the recent ones giving some real insights into the situation: "the voices of experience" - both successful (quality-based) and unsuccessful (speed/tools-based) ...

    What's The Deal With WF Writers?

    Writing Articles - I'm Done

    How much can you make writing articles?

    How do I make money writing articles???

    Would you still do freelance writing?

    Can anyone suggest good pay, high quality writing jobs?

    Content Writing - Still Viable?

    Are There Many Clients Who Pay $50/Article?

    The appropriate rate for written content is ?

    You must be a superstar professional writer BUT I can only pay you $2 per article - say WHAT?

    Any point in trying to find clients on Warrior Forum..?

    Is it hard to make 30K a year from writing?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    I can write 500 words in about 15 minutes.
    Me too. It's just that it takes about 2-3 hours of research to reach this stage.

    Bottom line: you might be able to help people who are looking to churn out impressive amounts of "articles" per hour, but I don't think there's a big market for serious, professional writers, the ones, as Alexa mentioned, ask and get $200 per article.

    If you'd want to help pro writers, you could perhaps build some sort of bank of quality references for writers to get their facts. Writers could add new references as they discover them, review and rate them, etc. This way, a good writer who has no clue about a particular topic could find reliable, peer-reviewed references without having to waste too much time in the process (which is one of the hardest things to do, to be honest). A writer who is already familiar with the topic might discover new references.

    I'd like that, I'd like that a lot.

    To my success,
    Lucian
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    • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
      To be blunt, it is not really "easy" to get started as a content writer. There is probably as much non-billable work to do as there is billable work. As much as the product creators would have us believe, there really isn't an endless supply of work at all price points. As crazy as it sounds, I have better luck with higher price points than the lower side of the scale.

      I can typically write 500 words on a topic in about 30 minutes if I had nothing to work with going into the process. I did this a few times to land some clients based upon speed of service. In most cases, I try to learn a bit more about the subject before bring up Word.

      If I know the topic well already, I can write 500 words in probably 5-10 minutes. I never have timed it (no need), but it is a guess based upon feel. This could be imagined as the "feel" could simply be the fact that I don't have to stop and check facts or that it is much easier to get into the flow on this content.

      Now that I just write for myself, mainly for my PLR store, being able to write fast is a plus, so there are things that I did to help speed things up.

      - I created some base templates to work from. While they are never set in stone, they give me a starting point.
      - I find creative ways to find time to research my content. You will rarely find me without a book or my Kindle on hand (or close by.) When I have any sort of free time (breaks at work, bathroom breaks, lines, etc) I will take the time to read something. I will try to take some basic notes at this point, usually outlining potential articles at the same time.
      - I try to do multiple articles on the same subject at the same time. One reason I hated the typical article writing market is the amount of people who want to try you for one article. These were NEVER worth my time, and that was quadrupled at the lower price points. I do this for some extra money, and if it doesn't match up to my current overtime rate (yes, overtime rate) I don't do it.

      I tend to do multiple articles on one topic in a batch regardless. It doesn't matter if I am writing longer articles for article marketing, or my 400-500 word PLR articles. My mind is focused on this one topic, so it makes sense to write as much as possible while you are focused on it.

      If you are really looking for a way to increase the productivity of writers, find a way to speed up the non-billable time work that needs to be done. Invoicing, correspondence, customer acquisition, customer retention, etc. While we write, we get paid, when we don't... we don't.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        You may be able to whack out a 500 word, $10 article in 15 minutes. I have no reason to disbelieve you.

        The question is, if you really want to make $40-50 per hour, is how many hours in a row can you do that while still maintaining some standard of quality?

        Even the folks who have managed to line up enough work often burn out quickly. What seems effortless for 15 minutes becomes tougher for an hour and sheer torture for several hours per day for a string of days that soon seems infinite.

        If you want to cater to that crowd, go for it. If you want to cater to actual pros, consider the following:

        Originally Posted by Doug Wakefield View Post

        If you are really looking for a way to increase the productivity of writers, find a way to speed up the non-billable time work that needs to be done. Invoicing, correspondence, customer acquisition, customer retention, etc. While we write, we get paid, when we don't... we don't.
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        • Profile picture of the author Doug Wakefield
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          You may be able to whack out a 500 word, $10 article in 15 minutes. I have no reason to disbelieve you.

          The question is, if you really want to make $40-50 per hour, is how many hours in a row can you do that while still maintaining some standard of quality?

          Even the folks who have managed to line up enough work often burn out quickly. What seems effortless for 15 minutes becomes tougher for an hour and sheer torture for several hours per day for a string of days that soon seems infinite.

          If you want to cater to that crowd, go for it. If you want to cater to actual pros, consider the following:
          He speaks the truth. As much as I often want to get home and knock out a bunch of PLR, after a couple the momentum really starts to fade. Unless I have done extensive outlining (not always possible) then I will plod through one more before calling it.

          The other issue is that if I try to write more than 3-4 articles on a topic in a short time frame, the new one starts to sound very similar to the last few. The longer I try to plow along, the more this plays out. Outlining, once again, can help this as it can keep me on topic. This really plays out if I am writing off the top of my head.
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        • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          You may be able to whack out a 500 word, $10 article in 15 minutes. I have no reason to disbelieve you.

          The question is, if you really want to make $40-50 per hour, is how many hours in a row can you do that while still maintaining some standard of quality?

          Even the folks who have managed to line up enough work often burn out quickly. What seems effortless for 15 minutes becomes tougher for an hour and sheer torture for several hours per day for a string of days that soon seems infinite.

          If you want to cater to that crowd, go for it. If you want to cater to actual pros, consider the following:
          John sums it up here pretty well.

          While there are multiple techniques you can use to write faster (although I look at it more as optimizing your time, essentially), you should only worry about them once you actually become a decent writer. When you hit that point, then you can start to venture into different times saving methods and techniques.

          Also, never factor in how many articles you can fit into an hour window. It doesn't work like that, trust me. You'll not only burn out, but you'll find that your focus will turn to mush. When that happens, your quality goes right down the tubes!

          That brings me to my next point - if you're going to aim low, you better be ready to stay there! Stop worrying about how many articles you can get done in an hour and focus on spending your time getting better, higher paying clients instead. It practically takes the same amount of effort, yet the potential to earn considerably more is there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    I have been looking at the article writing industry from the perspective of a software developer investigating needs for productivity tools.

    My initial approach has been to sign up to the "Get $$$ for writing articles" sites and see how it flows and if there is any potential to make things easier/faster and more more fun

    So far I have observed:

    1. It is easy to get started and start earning money straight away
    2. There seems to be an endless flow of available work
    3. If you have broad general knowledge, fast typing and grasp of grammar you can churn these things out very quickly

    I can write 500 words in about 15 minutes. So if I was an top writer that would be an income of $40 - $50 per hour (based on my observations of what they are paying).

    Next step is I need to do this faster. 500 words in 5 minutes without spinning. So what tools do I need? I am thinking:

    - Templates based across various niches to get me started
    - A very fast reference tool to get a feel for the topic or expand on definitions
    - A tool to mini spin inserts of content into the article
    - A repository of all content I have ever written that reflects my writing style per topic and can be pulled in AI style, spun and embedded into the article as required

    Again, I am not an article writer, nor do I wish to do this for a living. This is just "a day in the life of an article writer" to get a feel for ways to improve their productivity.

    Any thoughts on my observations would be welcome
    If you can afford it I would recommend getting dragon dictation its Dragons naturally speaking software and you basically dictate what you want to say and it types it out for you. Of course you have to train it to recognize your voice but once you get it right you can crank out more articles than superman!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Social App Zone... 500 words in 15 minutes is pretty good. You could probably boost your prolificness by purchasing a software like "Dragon Naturally Speaking" software, and speak your articles into existence. I'm confident that within 4 minutes, you could have a 500 word article done. Sure it will require some touch-ups and cosmetic edits, but it's a good way to get articles done fast.

    But... i dont think you should work someone else. Work for yourself. Get your own site and create an autopilot business for yourself. Create your own high quality articles and drive traffic to your site, and also repurpose your articles and redistribute them all over the web.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialsignals
    Remember you are competing with very cheap labor via places like odesk, so writing may not be the best use of your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    I have been looking at the article writing industry from the perspective of a software developer investigating needs for productivity tools.

    My initial approach has been to sign up to the "Get $$$ for writing articles" sites and see how it flows and if there is any potential to make things easier/faster and more more fun

    So far I have observed:

    1. It is easy to get started and start earning money straight away
    2. There seems to be an endless flow of available work
    3. If you have broad general knowledge, fast typing and grasp of grammar you can churn these things out very quickly

    I can write 500 words in about 15 minutes. So if I was an top writer that would be an income of $40 - $50 per hour (based on my observations of what they are paying).

    Next step is I need to do this faster. 500 words in 5 minutes without spinning. So what tools do I need? I am thinking:

    - Templates based across various niches to get me started
    - A very fast reference tool to get a feel for the topic or expand on definitions
    - A tool to mini spin inserts of content into the article
    - A repository of all content I have ever written that reflects my writing style per topic and can be pulled in AI style, spun and embedded into the article as required

    Again, I am not an article writer, nor do I wish to do this for a living. This is just "a day in the life of an article writer" to get a feel for ways to improve their productivity.

    Any thoughts on my observations would be welcome
    You could crack out 4 500 word articles (VERY difficult, when including research) for $10 a pop.

    Assuming that you actually put some sort of effort into them, you'll almost immediately begin "burning out".

    Producing that much content, day in day out, WILL almost certainly wear you out.

    You say you're not a writer, well I've been there, done that, and writing a number of articles at .01-.02 cents per word WILL wear you out.

    Believe it or not, there are higher paying markets. MUCH higher paying markets than $10 an article.

    $50, $100, and more, if you find the right clients.

    By doing this, you can focus on creating QUALITY content, instead of FAST content.

    My personal advice, find those markets, rather than seeking to write quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shannonn
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    Sorry, but I do not believe that an article written in 15 minutes can be of great quality. Someone said that the slower the better. This is true for article writers. The information needs to linger and you have to clear your head for a while, re-read the article and improve it over and over again until it reaches a perfect form.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Writing cheap is usually wrong from the business perspective, unless you live in Malaysia or some other place where the dollar is high.

      You are investing more than your time, you are investing your health. Burning out is very real for any artisan under stress, writers are not exception.

      And then there is the clients... you will attract cheap clients. Cheap clients are like flees: they will suck your blood, and jump to the next host when you start scratching.
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      • Profile picture of the author CathyAnn
        I can write quickly if it's in my niche. Sometimes I just take the title of another article, rewrite the title and then use it as a writing prompt. Then I'm good to go.

        I also take my niche and do keyword search and then write. Can do it quickly because I don't usually need to research this area. When I do have to research I jot down several ideas and perspectives so I can get more from one area of research.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Kohler
    I have always been a fan of learning how to write things more quickly. People usually associate speed with lack of quality, and depending on what you are writing about, this can be true.

    If you have ever written a term paper, sometimes your best work comes under pressure. It causes you to focus and allows you to create something great. Other people need to do things gradually. All people are different.

    So, if you are going for quality that you want to sell for $40 or $50, speed is not an option in most cases because we are not an "expert" in every field. But if you are writing a 10 pack of articles for the purpose of selling them to an IMer that is looking for "good" content for a profitable niche, then you can probably do that.

    Look at all of the content spinners on the market and how profitable that industry is. You can easily produce something in 5-10 minutes that is not only unique, but is not so similar to what 100's of other have, it will rank well on its own. So if you are looking for a business angle, and not worried about creating perfect high quality content, this might work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by Social App Zone View Post

    I have been looking at the article writing industry from the perspective of a software developer investigating needs for productivity tools.

    Social App Zone,

    I don't know if you have considered this, but maybe it is important to what you're trying to do . . .

    Article writing, like book authoring, like photography, like graphics design, like sculpting, like painting, like music composition . . . and a host of other creative endeavors, can't always be compared equitably with other ways to make money.

    It seems to me that software development lends itself most appropriately to certain types of industries and pursuits, but maybe not to creative fields that thrive on originality and uniqueness rather than mass produced repetitive output.

    I know you mentioned you were interested in productivity tools. But I'm thinking that for creative fields like I've mentioned, productivity may not be a need or even a remote desire of most creative types. I see their greatest challenge as effectively marketing what they produce.

    So if your are interested in helping creative types, figure out how to help them sell and distribute the unique products that they are currently making. To me, that would be a very valuable service.

    The best to you,

    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      So if your are interested in helping creative types, figure out how to help them sell and distribute the unique products that they are currently making. To me, that would be a very valuable service.

      The best to you,

      Steve
      I have seen pretty heavy marketers sporting the dear-in-the-headlights´ look when asked about this. It was kind of funny.

      Most people in the industry have "industry mentality". And they create products for a certain (and hopefully hot) market, not hunt down the market for their product.

      Artisans and artists have a very hard time to fit in. It is like trying to put the right shoe on the left foot.
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  • Profile picture of the author u119840
    It's certainly a very interesting concept...and i commend you for taking the initiative.

    I'm sure you'll have no issues writing 500 words in 15 minutes... You might even be able to produce high quality articles to begin with...but how long would it be before repititon sets in and the quality of your article suffers as a consequence. It's not an easy way to make a sustainable, long term income..

    Too make article writing easier, you should apply the same rules to all your articles regardless of niche/topic. Keep it simple. Have a heading like "5 Easy Steps" "5 Important Tips..." etc. Your first paragraph should should highlight the problem many people face within your topic. Then each subsequent paragraphs should deal with each of the points or tips in your heading.. Finish with a conclusion & final thoughts.

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