Sucess Stories in WF - Fake???

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Prowling the main forum from time to time - I can't help but noticed that there are many over-sensationalized success stories here, with a little hint of their success in their signatures. Then you can see the newbies will beg and cry for the OP's secret knowledge.

What are your opinions regarding these success stories?
#fake #stories #sucess
  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    OP's posting success stories has nothing to do with hints in their signatures....:confused:

    Some people don't reveal their secrets ...................

    maybe some stories are fake and such stories are quickly identified by the community on the spot but most of the stories are true...........if they were not true, no one would be in IM including you and me...
    just my personal thoughts
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Well out of all of them you will certainly find some fake ones. This is a marketing forum after all and unfortunately you will find plenty of shameless liars in marketing.

    There are plenty of genuine success stories though.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Sometimes I feel that certain Warriors open a new thread with the intention to show off, and nothing else.

    I believe that a success story is real when the winners teach me something meaningful thanks to their big victory.








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    • Profile picture of the author datingworld
      Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

      I believe that a success story is real when the winners teach me something meaningful thanks to their big victory.


      So No matter how successful someone is, if he / she doesn't teach something meaningful to you, you will not accept his / her success? :confused:

      there is a 56 years old lady on this forum [I know her in person, my neighbour in London] she has under 60 posts count and is a member on this forum since 2004, she doesnt teach anyone anything, but still she runs one of the highly known classified website , which makes her more than a £1million per year [I bet everyone on this forum knows that website]
      So according to you, she isn't successful?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Anyone that suggest a random person/buyer will make X amount of money (forum sig, forum thread title, etc...) is a clown.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Your post is dripping with skepticism in every word. Which is fine. The majority of us begin there, but after awhile, doing your due diligence and evaluating whether or not someone is telling the truth becomes just a normal thing that you do. If you're going to be involved.

    This is an issue in every field. People are going to exaggerate and boast and brag, with the goal of financial gain. You shouldn't be surprised about that.

    But if you're doubting whether or not it's possible to BE successful, period, then you've got some work to do on the head trip stuff.

    There's a lot of ways to make money online. One example, it's simple common sense that if you have a huge list of subscribers, who are satisfied customers that bought from you, and you offer them to buy a new thing later down the road... you're going to get some of them to buy!

    Success here is no different than success anywhere else, in that it requires figuring out what works, what has always worked and then doing that. Not trying to re-invent the wheel.

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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post


      There's a lot of ways to make money online.
      Yes you're right, and those people are probably far too busy to be spouting off about it here.
      It's not human nature to find a pot of gold and then share it with the world and his wife.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        Yes you're right, and those people are probably far too busy to be spouting off about it here.
        It's not human nature to find a pot of gold and then share it with the world and his wife.
        Well the keyword here is probably. Quite frankly, the more I make the more I want to give back. Some people are contributors. That's also a part of human nature, isn't it?

        Plus, I seem to notice that the more you're making, the more you can outsource the details and manual labor tasks, which seems to free up your time to do what you want.

        Some people like to surf. Some people prefer to stay at home. I don't think you can make a wide sweeping generalization about this and win me over, but maybe you have yourself.

        Marc

        PS. You're right that some people keep what they're doing hush hush, though. But thinking they discovered anything new that doesn't date back to the 1900's is laughable.
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  • Profile picture of the author techbul
    Obviously, from time to time such untruthful posts do occur, but they are usually removed by admins since they can see right through them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Ning Lo
    It never came to my attention that these stories may be fake..

    But success/failure stories should not be posted in the main section of this forum which is about making money.

    Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author BinaryQwest
    It all depends on what you take away from the thread imo. Reading a thread like that and then gaining a bit of knowledge on a subject or even inspiration from the post can help people.
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  • Profile picture of the author jpsween88
    I think 99% of IM success stories or fake or at least extremely exaggerated. Just look at all the peoples sigs that say learn to make $5000 a month but yet are on here asking how to get traffic to the site to make a sale
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    I don't like that the WSO section, and some other threads often feel like a never ending bad infomercial and they are all from guys that are wearing the suits with dollar signs all over it. This is what I see:

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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    Fake stories? Sure. You develop a personal filter to it after awhile though. I also certainty wouldn't just lay out my business plan to anyone who asks (especially the guys with no posts and only 1 month on the forum). You have to at least buy me a drink first
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by Epic Write View Post

    Prowling the main forum from time to time - I can't help but noticed that there are many over-sensationalized success stories here, with a little hint of their success in their signatures. Then you can see the newbies will beg and cry for the OP's secret knowledge.

    What are your opinions regarding these success stories?
    This is an easy one. Since I have no way of really verifying their stories either way, I think it's a waste of time and energy to even try. However, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have your bullsh!t filter on.

    Now having written that, there are many Warriors whom I've had consistent interactions with over the years. I'm more likely to believe in those people with whom I've actually worked with than someone that I have no history with. Having been online for over 14 years I can usually tell who knows their stuff and who is faking it.

    For example, an anonymous new member joins the Warrior Forum and pays a $100 per day for a banner here that shouts out "Make 175,000 per week!"

    You click on the banner and it takes you a webpage with very little details and/or just a simple opt-in form. People are still going to opt-in to that, but for me personally, it's got red flags all over the place.

    Another Warrior, with whom I've actually worked with, releases a WSO. I buy from him instantly because I know he puts out good stuff. This WSO helped put another X amount of dollars into my business. And over the years, he's helped me grow my business and I've helped him grow his. I'm far more likely to believe his stories than the anonymous first guy.

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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisDouthit
    Some success stores are true, others are of people who read a success stories and think they need their own to market their product, so they just make up their own success story. I would say more are either totally fake or totally exaggerated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dann Vicker
    Fact is a good number of them are true. Like in IM, you should handle everything you see with due diligence.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Dann Vicker View Post

      Fact is a good number of them are true. Like in IM, you should handle everything you see with due diligence.
      Fact is, no one has ever produced any proof of their claims.
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      • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        Fact is, no one has ever produced any proof of their claims.
        I see proof all the time, yeah, there are "screenshots" and "emails" and "video testimonials".....these things can't be faked people! It would take a scientist to edit a screenshot! LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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          Originally Posted by PROmotions LLC View Post

          I see proof all the time, yeah, there are "screenshots" and "emails" and "video testimonials".....these things can't be faked people! It would take a scientist to edit a screenshot! LOL
          Said the man / woman with no name or contact details.
          Very reassuring.
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          • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
            Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

            Said the man / woman with no name or contact details.
            Very reassuring.
            I would love to add more contact information in my WF profile but I don't know how, there is no option to add anything to my contact section except a website address. I have my email address available in my WSO, and I accept PM's.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        Fact is, no one has ever produced any proof of their claims.
        You're pretty skeptical for a guy who made more money skiing in two weeks than the previous two months with his Internet Cash Machine Auto Sender Technology

        You've NEVER seen proof?
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        • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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          Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

          You're pretty skeptical for a guy who made more money skiing in two weeks than the previous two months with his Internet Cash Machine Auto Sender Technology

          You've NEVER seen proof?
          Did you actually read the OP?
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        • Profile picture of the author Joel Young
          Whether fake or true, success stories don't generally impress me to the point of making a business decision, so I don't worry about it. Having 5 cars, 6 houses in 6 countries, a personal beach and hotline to the President just makes me think the poor guy is making up for something else lacking in his life. On the other hand, a person who's just made his first $100 online - as great as that is for him/her - doesn't move me much, either, because in the long run I'm not in this to hear success stories of any kind. I'm in it to make a decent living without answering to a boss.

          Give me solid info on how to do that, and live your success instead of talking to me about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
      Originally Posted by Dann Vicker View Post

      Fact is a good number of them are true. Like in IM, you should handle everything you see with due diligence.
      The true reality is... this forum, like internet marketing as a whole... could be broken down by the 80/20 rule.

      Only about 20% or less of those here make any significant money. It is what it is... not to say they don't try, it's just the way it is.

      But like Dann said, you can use due diligence and Google to find out who is successful.

      If google has nothing on that person or their product... if there are no proof elements at all, etc...

      Screen shots and income graphics can be made on fiverr.com, so those mean nothing.

      A quick Google search these days can pretty much tell you, quickly, if someone is legit or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Yes of course. He asked for opinions about so-called success stories. You said no one has ever produced proof of their claims. I disagree.

    On top of that, I find it hard to believe you believe that. It's not your first time around the block. But if you do, you do!

    Obviously some of it is crap. But NEVER?
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    No doubt that there are people making a lot of money online, are they making it without having to lie, exaggerate or misinform? Well that's another story.
    You have to have a strong BS meter to distinguish between complete BS claims and the somewhat believable.

    The internet is the perfect place to make unsubstantiated claims, recount stories of success etc.
    How many people can say, "well i actually met (Username) in person and wow that person is legit"?
    Just because they've been here since the beginning or have 10000 posts does not mean you have to believe everything they write down.

    This is an IM forum and most people are here for one reason, To Make Money.
    And depending on their character they may employ certain underhanded tactics to achieve their goals...

    At the end of the day it's up to the individual, if you want to believe every claim, story you come across because it makes you feel better about what you are doing or it gives you hope that everyone in IM is only a breakthrough away from making millions, that's your choice...
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Give me solid info on how to do that, and live your success instead of talking to me about it.

    This was what I meant in my previous comment. If you won't help me and you are telling me your success story, why should I believe it is real? Why should I waste my time reading your thread?

    Teach me something from your victory, and I will truly believe you are a hero and follow your steps.




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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    There are actually a lot of successful IMers in my area that I have met in person, by total accident. It's weird at first. It's like meeting your favorite musician or something.

    But as a new marketer, you can succeed without exaggerated income claims and puffed up success stories, if you just know what you are doing.

    Obviously, you're not going to hit it amazingly big on your first run, but if you have a good product and can present it well, and believe in it, you'll make sales.

    It's not complicated. You got to start somewhere. But believing it's not possible only hurts people, because it's definitely, definitely possible.

    Anyway - there's a reason people use income claims. Because they work. And I say, you should use them if you can back them up. Especially if your product is good.

    If the product delivers on the promise, and you really believe in it, then you do your best to sell it. Anything less reveals a lack of total certainty on your part.

    But if you don't have any claims to start with, it doesn't mean you can't play the game. You just start. Once you figure out something that works, it's pretty dumb to be meek about it.

    It's like reading a sales book, and it says, "Hey testimonials will help you sell more." And they go, "Well, I don't have any testimonials..." so they write it off. That's not useful.

    How do you get testimonials in the first place? You got to sell stuff.

    Marc

    PS. I think a lot of WSO's, their biggest selling point is the price. Which isn't saying much. If the price wasn't so slow, if the price wasn't doing almost all of the job to overcome our BS detectors, most of these wouldn't sell.

    Income claims or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    Originally Posted by Epic Write View Post

    Prowling the main forum from time to time - I can't help but noticed that there are many over-sensationalized success stories here, with a little hint of their success in their signatures. Then you can see the newbies will beg and cry for the OP's secret knowledge.

    What are your opinions regarding these success stories?
    some are real and some are fake I would base my buying decision on more than just success stories for example how doable do you see the method. Can you see yourself performing that task or method or even enjoying providing whatever service or product the guide or course is suggesting.
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    • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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      So what's new?

      You can visit any bar in the world and it's exactly the same . . . loads of bullshitters telling you how much they (don't) earn, and exaggerating the true worth or title of their occupation (if any).

      It's called life, and I for one have got a lot more important things to do than muse over the validity (or not) of success stories made by a bunch of relative strangers on a forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Importexport
        There are a lot of assumptions made in this thread about motives, the main one being that everyone is here to make money.

        I am on the forum to keep myself busy doing something productive now that I have been forced to retire due to heart surgery complications.

        I have been very successful in business and I don't brag about it, but I do recount some of the story to try to inspire budding young entrepreneurs to make the effort.

        I could do it all for free, but I know I would be overwhelmed because the magic word FREE attracts people like bears to the honeypot. What I learned early in business is that when I gave away free samples, they most often sat on the shelf or desk unused, but when I charged for them they were actually tried out.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by Epic Write View Post

    Prowling the main forum from time to time - I can't help but noticed that there are many over-sensationalized success stories here, with a little hint of their success in their signatures. Then you can see the newbies will beg and cry for the OP's secret knowledge.

    What are your opinions regarding these success stories?
    Oh my goodness!

    This isn't a court of law where everyone who may discuss their successes has to show proof beyond a reasonable doubt and have it go before a jury of their peers to render a verdict of guilty or not guilty as to whether they're fakes or fraud.

    Having said that though, in a way it is. You get to be a juror, weigh the information as truth or not, for yourself. And in a way, you have a judge to oversee those success claims by way of moderators who definitely throw them out of court so to speak, when it is actually fraud.

    But seriously, if you want to have a success story, quit spending so much time trying to decipher whether someone is being honest, stretching it a bit, putting a spin on it or out and out being a liar and get to work on your own success story.

    Terra
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    • Profile picture of the author hsbinmarket
      U must not expect everyone in the world to be honest.

      In every market there are fake people. Even if u have 3/4 child. One of them may show his love to u or create scene only to take more affection/more money from u.

      This is reality. We must accept the situation and try to find our own way to find out and accept the truth and deny the false.

      Also make sure that u will not post fake.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    What I have learnt over the years about the guys making the real money is they very rarely like to go around touting their success. Sure, there will always be those who like to show off and impress other people but more often than not those people are putting on a show to compensate for their lack of success.

    All those products and videos where guys stand outside their mansion sitting in their Ferrari just make me laugh. My first thought is always to wonder how much they actually had to pay to hire the car and the house for the day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      What I have learnt over the years about the guys making the real money is they very rarely like to go around touting their success. Sure, there will always be those who like to show off and impress other people but more often than not those people are putting on a show to compensate for their lack of success.

      All those products and videos where guys stand outside their mansion sitting in their Ferrari just make me laugh. My first thought is always to wonder how much they actually had to pay to hire the car and the house for the day.
      Reminds me of two guys who admitted to me, at a seminar, that they rented a Ferrari and a house for one day to shoot their videos........and no, they never stated these were rented, though they hinted strongly that they were theirs......

      Made me sick.

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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        Reminds me of two guys who admitted to me, at a seminar, that they rented a Ferrari and a house for one day to shoot their videos........and no, they never stated these were rented, though they hinted strongly that they were theirs......

        Made me sick.

        RoD
        Yeah, it's almost always the guys who show it that never really have it.

        Half the guys you see driving around the streets in Ferrari and Porsches would be leasing them and paying them off. If you followed them home you'd probably also see them pull into the driveway of a little shack.

        It is quite sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan David
    My wife thinks I'm way too much of a skeptic when it comes to the motives of anybody trying to sell me something. But in the IM world, it has served me well so I will continue to be very skeptical. IF we were posting in forums where nobody had signature files, I might let my guard down a little more.

    One of the things I've realized in my years online is that there is a lot of fabrication, even when there is some truth in there. In stompernet, I saw it first hand with a success story by a forum member.

    1) Started with person replying about their experience with PPC. They were making sales, but no profit.
    2) Eventually got to the point where she did $30K in sales over a period of time with, admittedly, very small profits when the product cost and PPC costs were taken away.
    3) Championed herself as a "success story" in the forums.
    4) Chosen as a "testimonial" for Stompernet where she talked about her going from startup to success.
    5) Finally featured in their magazine where it said she made $30K during the holiday season. Holiday season was defined as Sept thru X-mas. No mention of the fact that she made very little after product cost and PPC.

    I would think that's fairly typical of your standard testimonial.
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    • Profile picture of the author substance
      I think most of the success stories are true on here but the real success stories where someone makes huge amounts of money won't be shared as readily.

      I have seen that people on "Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forums" does'nt usually lie about their success stories as much as those on the "warrior-special-offers-forum" LOL.
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