Starting To Think The Warrior Forum Is Biase..

whining will definitely help.

With that type of attitude why would someone want to work with you in a partnership? I've worked with COMPLETE newbies before, without lists or anything simply because they had a very good product and they need a way to get it out there (a couple of them are sitting pretty with around 4k front end sales). But I can tell you right off the bat that people who have an entitled attitude will never get ahead anywhere. If no one is 'helping' you with JVs, why don't you get a JV broker? Why don't you you do it ALL yourself and put out a couple products so people know you are legit? You think all the 'big guys' you're complaining about just magically got there? Everyone grinds their way up in whatever industry and you might want to approach them with that in mind a bit more.

You have a great product according to who? You? You might think it's great, but it might not be something someone wants to partner with you at this time. Or it might be crap. I don't know. But it's their right not to want to work with you if they don't want to.

Ranting about it will only cause people not to want to work with you in future. I know I wouldn't want to work with someone who just posted what you did.

You want to lash out at people who won't work with you and tell the world how you might just decide not to work with them when you get to where they are. That is not something people want to work with either.

Ranting and whining about this kind of stuff is unproductive. Obviously there's a reason you can't find anyone to JV with you. You might want to try and find out why instead of posting stuff like this.

Could it be the product? I would expect it would take something very original to achieve what you are trying to do.

Why not try giving first instead of taking? You accuse others of being selfish but in a quick look at your some of your recent posts here, I didn't see a single one that helped anyone else.

50/50 "deals" can be made and are made all day every day. If no one takes you up on your "deal", then you need to sweeten it. What are you willing to give up to get your first successful product out there? You willing to do 25/75?

You make a name for yourself by giving in one way or another - by adding value - not by whining.

Best of luck. You'll need it unless you get a checkup from the neck up.

Mark

you don't need to do conventional jv's get out there and write some guest posts, talk to some people who are selling on other platforms, do a free WSO and increase your list etc etc. There are a ton of forums like this one out there get a free ad on all that you can and/or sell your poduct outright. Do a free giveaway and jv like that make it a no brainer for your jv's i promise you they will be eating out of your hands. You just need to think out of the box and don't listen to the lousy comments on this thread either. People like to jump on someone having a problem sometimes instead of helping. Human nature just ignore it.

your next proposal:

All you have to do is promote my product to your list and you make 75-80%, plus i'll put your ad on the fulfillment page of my free WSO along with 3 others and guess what we are all promoting this, you stand to get a ton of traffic and think of all the commissions you will get from promoting of my offer to your list as well.

Thats as plain as I can make it for you all that for free. Now go do it.

PS If you are referring them to the site in your signature, maybe they went there and they are so confused and distracted by all the flashing widgets and thingamabobs that they don't want to work with you.

Mark

How is that not whining? Would you prefer if people had used the word "complaining"? It's a fine distinction, and I fail to see how a reading of your op could possibly contradict either impression.

Why would you expect people not to call you on it when you start a thread with an angry, combative post asserting that nobody will help the little guy, how what you experienced is BS, and due to other Warriors being selfish people who won't give you the chance you deserve, and you even top it off with a threat to turn the tables and ignore them once you are in demand?

Did you really expect people to pop in and apologize or commiserate with you for how badly we've been treating you?

Last October when I was still fairly new here, a VERY experienced Warrior approached little ol' me to JV with him. The only name I'd made for myself on the WF was the fact I'd posted a number of times. And the IM world didn't and still doesn't know I exist (my own fault, but you get the point). Yet this well-known Warrior took me under his wing. Due to issues beyond my control I wasn't able to continue with him after the first month or so, but the relationship was great while it lasted, and I'm sure we could pick up where we left off if I approached him about it.

So no, it's nothing to do with who you are, and the WF is not biased. Perhaps there is a little of it going around, but you get that everywhere in life. Deal with it.

It's not enough to simply take action. You have to take the correct action, and obviously you aren't. You may not think that your thread came across as "whining", but I am guessing that many Warriors did see it that way.

So you are upset because people aren't bending over backward to work with an unknown marketer for a 50/50 split? Wouldn't it make more sense for the people you are approaching to instead promote one of the countless affiliate programs that will may a much better than 50% commission?

Joint ventures can be highly profitable if one right. If done incorrectly or with someone that isn't ready for it, it can quickly turn into a nightmare.

I wish you the best. And I do hope that you take the advice that a number of Warriors have given you. No, it has nothing to do with fixing your confusing site.

You need to change the attitude. When it seems like the world is against you, you probably should be looking in the mirror to "fix" what's wrong.

Much Success,

JoeMack

I can understand your frustration, having been there myself many years ago. But this isn't a sprint, it's a marathon.

Let me offer you a different perspective. During any given month, I receive roughly 50 plus JV offers across 3 niches. Bear in mind that I already have my core group of JV partners whom I've done business with over the past 14 years, and in just ONE niche, they number at 30 JV partners.

Those relationships took me YEARS to build. Some of which I started with when I was a nobody in that niche.

So when a new person comes along with their cut and paste e-mail or PM that they'll offer me a 50% of the cut, therein lies the issue:

1. There are already others ahead of you.
2. I don't know you and unless you have your conversion numbers ready for me to view, why should I even look at your offer?

Eric, I sense you're writing out of frustration and hey, I get that. But really, when I first got started NO ONE wanted to work with me. I felt the EXACT same way.

So here's what I did:

I created my own KICK ASS product line.

I bought paid traffic and sent it to my sales page.

I tested and tweaked that sales page that went from 1 sale in 450 visitors to 1 sale in 85 visitors. That took me about 3 to 4 months to do by the way.

I built up my list to 10,000 prospects and my buyer's list as well.

Then, and ONLY, then did I go back and begin contacting people.

I had my conversion numbers. I paid a healthy 90% commission on the front end because on the back end I would more than make up for it (sometimes I offer 100% or MORE on the lead product because I already know my numbers ahead of time and the backend product strategy is where the real money is made).

So quit complaining, man up, and get back to work. No one is going to hand success to you on a platter. Give people more concrete reasons to do business with you other than a nice product and a 50% commission. Have your numbers ready to go!

RoD

Why not really go hard getting some JV partners?

I bet if you took out a banner, and promoted yourself asking for some legit partners, you'd get some response.

This is BS, everyone had to start off unknown in the IM field. But guess what, when I do keep pushing and I have a LARGE HIGH converting list and everyone wants to JV, I might just turn the other cheek.

Only thing with that quote is that once you turn the other cheek you become just like them. So makes me wonder that they probably had it rough just like you and decided to turn the other cheek so it's just a round circle. Now i know things are tough but I guarantee you if you knock on 50 doors 1 person will let you in.

Lol, people are trying to carve their own niche, what is bias about that? It was selfish for you to take out a thread like this, just because somebody didn't want to JV with you.

Eric,

1. If you have a 'the world owes me' type attitude then you won't get very far. No one here owes you anything. That's not me trying to be harsh, it's just the truth. It might not be fair but life isn't fair. I admire that you are working hard and keep doing just that. Remember the old saying that says the harder you work, the luckier you get. It's very true.

2. If you contact people out of the blue and right away ask them to do something for you, what do you really expect? Sure, you might be giving them 50% of the profits but they are also having to risk 100% of their reputation.

I have seen several 50/50 deals go sour where a well established seller has had their reputation tarnished because of a JV deal that went wrong. Either the product stopped working or the partner didn't keep their end of the deal in regards to support or other things.

So your offer of a 50/50 split to me is really not that enticing at all. Most successful product creators have several products already sitting in the pipeline and they get to keep 100% of the profits and have full control over their reputation. If I don't know you at all then the risk of partnering with you often far outweighs any advantage.

I get these types of offers all the time and I must admit I almost always turn them down.

So, what do I recommend you do?

If you really want to show people you mean business then create a product and go and offer it to a well established seller where they can keep 100% of the profits, not just 50%. The deal can be they get to keep 100% of the profits and you get to keep the list of buyers that is built. If your product is really good then it's free money for the seller. But again, your product has to be really good and worthy of the seller putting their reputation on the line.

I hope that helps.

When you're approaching ANYONE with a joint venture proposal
they're going to ask themselves several questions:

# Who is this person?

# Have I met him? Have I talked to him or exchanged emails with
him? Do we have any kind of existing relationship?

# Has he ever done anything for me in the past?

# Does he have any resources (like a list similar to mine or bigger
than mine...or traffic...or a great reputation).

# Is he a person of honesty or integrity?

# Is what he's offering directly competitive with something I'm offering?

# Is he offering something of genuine value to my customers and email
subscribers...something I can't offer them?


Generally speaking when you start doing joint ventures you start
where you're at...doing them with people who are at your level
of accomplishment or slightly higher and you grow together.

If you want to do a joint venture with a big name marketer you're
first going to have to build a relationship or do something remarkable
to get their attention...or both.

This takes some thought and some work.

When you've been a marketer for many years it becomes a whole lot
more obvious that relationships are built over many years and joint
venture partners grow together.

The guy who has a list of a couple of hundred subscribers today and
is working his butt off can be a major marketer in two or three years
time.

It does happen occassionally that someone nails a joint venture with
someone who has a monster list but it's not common and it's nearly
always because they took some time to build a relationship of trust
with the owner of the list and they had something unique to offer.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

Lets say that you went to a party and you glanced around and noticed a few people that were not exactly friends but you have seen them at other functions or events.

You start walking up to them one by one and try to pitch them on an idea you have eliminating bulky cans of soup with your new and improved bag-O-soup, soup in a bag. They would look at you and say get lost!

Imagine this forum as one big party, approaching members that you don't really know or have never communicated with would be the same thing as the bag-O-soup guy at the party. Try forming relationships with members here before approaching someone with your own self interest in mind.

I also noticed that on your site you have a tab called OTO and it leads to a page that is offering a product that for sale that was created by a forum member that gives that product away for free.


If you want to be taken seriously then you really should create your own product.

People are tuned into one station which is WIIFM (What's In It For Me). So if I'm trying to approach a big name marketer to get a JV deal I'm going to let him/her know how they can benefit. That's how you get their attention, most people make it all about them and that's why they get ignored when seeking out a JV deal.

I'm really at awe... with this post.

I don't even know what to say... as head shakes.

From the looks of your post, you want someone to take you to the next level and that's not going to happen for free.

So if the person you JV with sends you 1000 customers, why are they only getting 50% commission? You wouldn't have had ANY of those sales without them. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter how great your product is if you can't get people to buy it so be more generous.

Then build a name for yourself. Over time - it's not going to come instantly.

And you see why you're in the position you're in now? Keep the cycle going, real mature.

I doubt that day will come. You'll keep up with this attitude and eventually become too frustrated and quit. Prove me wrong.

So maybe everyone else here has had to work just as hard (if not harder than you) to get where they are today and THAT is also why they don't just want to give it all away to someone like yourself so easily.

A 50/50 deal is not as good as you imagine.

First of all, you have to have proven conversion capability before any serious affiliate will ever send traffic your way.

Secondly, since affiliates drive the traffic and send the buyers, they are really the ones doing 90% of the work. There are products out there that pay 100% front end commissions. Not just 50%. Why do they do it? Because they have an established backend that will make them money off the new customer.

Your 50/50 deal is not as amazing as you think it is. On Clickbank, it's also pretty common to see product creators paying 75% commissions. You have to give affiliates a reason to choose to send their traffic to your product rather than the dozens and dozens of other products out there.

With an attitude like that, I can imagine why they don't want to work with you

You are wrong. You don't need a name for yourself. You need to have a real relationship with people who can help you.

Focus on a relationship from a human perspective first, and leave the "I want something from you" until after you have built the relationship.



Are you finally "starting to think that people are bias", or are you finally "starting to think for yourself"?

btw... interesting fact, no matter who you are:

People you want to help you won't always,
but people that you never expect will!

I really wish everyone would promote for me
every time I do something but reality is they
don't and won't! Including my closest friends.

I hope this helps you because I know how you
feel but you MUST keep moving forward and get
over it quickly because it's always going to happen
no matter who you are...

Make a name for yourself, and people will JV will you. Try more doing instead of expecting. Favors are never forgotten in IM, bring someone some sales, and they will bring you some sales.

here's something stephanie mulnac sent about influence and persuasion that might be of help i am good at looking at this stuff and just getting my freebees good luck to you now become a senior warrior and whoop everybody's butt. lol FREE Impact Influence Video and PDF

Its great you are fighting through but sometimes its just good to go smell some flowers. I took a breather from more forums then i care to remember. Ah life as a marketer. What fun *-) Make some money honey!

Just stick with it. The more doors you knock on the greater your chances that someone will say yes. So keep sending out emails and forming relationships with other internet marketers. Eventually someone will give you a shot. If not just go at it alone. Once you start making sales people will take notice. You have to change your attitude. No one is obligated to work with you or give you a chance. You however are obligated to prove that your product is as good as you say it is. And you can do that by getting sales on your own and showing JV partners that it would be worth their time to promote it.

I still like the warrior forum despite lost $900 in 2 JV's (actually Deceived or Scam) and lots of time helping others (with no return). And finally I learnt, do it alone, put efforts, learn, learn, and learn. Don't depend upon others if you wanna achieve something in life.

Hey Eric,

I understand your frustration and kudos to you for taking focused action.

However you said:

"wanted an experienced warrior in wso launches to JV with me"

Literally messaging people that do well with WSO launches may or may not get you a response, in this case it hasn't.

However you also say:

"NO ONE WILL WORK WITH YOU IF YOU DON'T HAVE A NAME FOR YOURSELF."

Although I don't agree fully - the answer is to get a name for yourself.

Build YOUR list and do the ground work, create an irresistible offer, see WHY the people you want to work with have a name for themselves and make them a better offer.

When you are in a position where you don't need to JV as you have your own lists etc... and have high converting products you will find people come to you.

Focus on your product, your service and make it better and focus on getting your own customers and building a list and then you can do a JOINT venture as oppose to someone just mailing out your offer.

Good luck though mate, at least you are taking action - don't get disheartened!

All the best,

Chris Jones

dude I changed fields almost 1 year ago. I went from aquatics to gaming. I am glad I made the change. I now stand in the top 1% in the world and am ready to go with IM. Having a product is all fine and dandy, having a relationship with your audience is difficult.

Develop that relationship FIRST then deliver a product.

You sell a product on your site that includes "My secret list of marketers I personally use to drive traffic to my offers for me."

What happened to them and why won't they help you?

Why don`t you try clickbank or paydotcom
Egnore the negitive comments and just do it!

Eric,

In marketing, and in life, I say this:

SWSWSWN

That means:

Some Will
Some Won't
So What
Next

Ok, so I stole that phrase from a British TV programme, but still, it makes sense.

In other words, ask away, but don't get eaten up when you are rejected - just move onto the next. You are doing something right just by taking action - many don't even get that far.

I heard something the other day (cannot for the life of me remember where I heard it).

A very short story, but it when like this:

A gorgeous blonde is standing at the bar.
If you don't ask her out, she definitely won't be going out with you.

Moral: Try, try, try. The law of averages says the blonde will say 'yes' one night.

I emailed 55 possible JV partners last year, only 2 replied. I went with one, and we each shared 2 paydays totalling over £20,000 ($30k) in revenue.

And that is all it takes.

But what did I learn from this?

Well,

1. I kept a spreadsheet of every person I emailed for my own records.
2. I re-emailed all of them - this time adding in that in 2 days, my last product brought in $30k
3. Magically, 12 people responded
4. I went with 2 out of those 12 (this time, I am the one in the position to reject), and this time the results were over $42k in revenue.
5. Those I did reject, I crafted a polite email telling them why I was not in a position to work with them - on THIS occassion - but that I would be in touch with future products.

So yes, in a way, you have to prove your worth. Just think how many of these emails the top marketers get - they will get a LOT.

But it only needs one 'yes', and the potential is there for the floodgates to open.

Keep going, and all the best.

Did you pitch your Idea in the same tone as this post? Sheesh they should have accepted your offer. I mean what's the world coming to.

Quit whining.

To the OP, you just keep making this worse and worse for yourself the way you keep going on and on, arguing with people, banging on about your child hood.

Now I can't see why anyone who's seen this topic would want to work with you in the future.

Probably nothing new with this article/video, but I thought I'd still share here:

How to Sell Yourself (with no credentials, no connections, & no money)

In my opinion, why don't you try and GIVE massive VALUE from the beginning... like offering 100% commissions to your JV partner and THEN go the extra mile and offer some epic customer support or anything that helps people FIRST... bear in mind that you still get to build a list, your most valuable asset.

It may seem slow at first but if you start to build a list and start building YOU as a brand, people will want to do business with you... customers AND JV partners.

Think about it: when people RECEIVE more than what they EXPECTED, they'll be back.

Good Luck

Greg you got the wrong idea of what helping people is

Boo f*cking hoo

you guys keep forgetting its about "whats in it for me" much more then reputation. Even you may not check out a person if you like the product and the deal.

Normally, I wouldn't bother to reply to a thread like this because I think Eric is incredibly rude and disrespectful. His entitlement mentality and willingness to post negative things about others publicly is a HUGE turnoff. The lack of professionalism is astounding.

However, I DO sympathize with his frustration and understand where it's coming from. We've all been there at one time or another I think.

No Claire. It's not about the title of the thread. It's what he said IN the thread (and the way he continues to behave here) that's the problem.

You've gotten some excellent advice here Eric -- especially from Rod Cortez and Andrew Cavanaugh.

I've studied JVs a lot too because I've felt the same frustration. However, I've also gotten some very good advice on the subject from very successful people whom I paid a lot of money to to mentor me.

Aside from what Rod and Andrew have said:

1. A lot of it is really just a numbers game. Improve your offer and keep approaching people. Eventually you'll find someone who will work with you. If you've approached a few dozen people and no one will work with you, THEN have someone you trust look at your offer to see how you can improve it.

But a lot of the time, people will say "No" and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with you. Yes, it might be the offer. But it also might be bad timing. Or it directly conflicts with their own product. Or maybe they already have a JV buddy with a similar product, etc....

2. Make sure your offer is complementary, not competitive. It would be hard for ANYONE to justify promoting a directly competitive offer.

3. Be professional. Your rant here, while understandable, displays a startling lack of professionalism. Anyone who comes across it will probably think twice before working with you. And if your attitude here is displayed in your communication with them, you won't get very far.

4. Don't approach the biggest gurus right away. Start with those on your level or maybe just slightly above you and then work from there. You can all rise together in your respective industries.

And of course, the standard "give before asking for help," "build a relationship" etc. advice here applies. People do business with people they know like and trust. So make it a priority to search out and build relationships with potential joint venture partners in your market.

I think we all secretly dream of a JV partner who will come along and raise us to guru status -- or at least "slightly famous" status -- in one fell swoop. And it causes all kinds of angst, self-doubt, etc. when they reject us. We go into a tailspin of self-doubt and are far worse off (emotionally) and no further along.

BUT, if you do as Rod Cortez said (test it at your own expense and build a list of buyers), then you can approach ANYONE with confidence. Because you KNOW your product is good and it converts. No one will be able to say "Boo" to you. Your confidence will be sky high.

Best of all, you're not subjecting your self-confidence to others.

So instead of letting potential JVs vote (and knocking your confidence down), let the buyers vote and build your confidence. (Be willing to test and tweak though!)

As others have pointed out, we ALL start at the bottom. No one is exempt. Statistics and sheer logic alone tell you that your original statement isn't true.

It was also tremendously helpful to me to hear multi-millionaires share how open they were to JVs, even from unknowns, if certain criteria were in place. Among the things they mentioned were:

1. A good offer. (This has already been mentioned. A 50/50 split doesn't cut it here.)

2. Possible commissions on ALL future purchases from the buyers they send you. (Not just a one-time split. This assumes you have other, PROVEN, products and services that convert.)

One very successful marketer pointed out how unfair it was for HIM to get a one-time 50/50 split from a product HE was interviewed for and that was then sold to HIS list!

Big-name gurus are approached all the time with banal "JV" offers like these. It's not hard to see why they're summarily rejected out of hand.

3. Confidence (not arrogance) in your offer. My own mentor said it could be as simple as just someone with a good offer who was confident.

She mentioned that nobody knows where the next big thing will come from. NOBODY. It's all a test and even the most successful people don't know where the next big thing will come from. So if they like you and trust you and you approach them with a good offer in a professional manner, they may very well take a chance on you. Because smart marketers know it's all a test anyway.

Just remember though, that (assuming you have a good offer and are professional) often a "No" isn't "No" to you and usually has nothing to do with you at all. Yes, really.

Business moves at the speed of light and successful business people have a lot going on at any given time. It's really not about you at all.

Hearing this directly from the horse's mouths as it were, gave me a LOT more confidence and I no longer go into a tailspin when I'm "rejected."

Hope that helps!

Michelle

I'm a total newb and don't have clue about any of this stuff even though I tried to do stuff on my own with no help and failed.

Then I joined this site. And have had nothing but help from the people on here and for free.

It's just a case of adding as much value not only to the JV but to your clients and customers also.

And take all this advice in from above and believe me, you'll be make a ton of money and will have all the help you'll need to get there.

I know I need help and will appreciate the help when I get it and give back as much as I possibly can.

Hi Eric,
First of all, Warrior Forum is not a B.S!
I think that JV's don't work with you because probably your product is not good enough as you think it is, and i'm really sorry to say it.
And I think that JV's usually will love to work with newbies because they could take advantage of the situation.
Anyway, here few tips for you:
1) Ask warriors opinion about your product, your sales page, your landing page, etc.
2) Try to offer better deal to JV, like 25% / 75% .
3) Try to build yourself a name, you said it yourself - give value to warriors, try help people.

Best of luck,
David

All the op does is beak back at the advice he's given.

Try listening instead of taking every piece of advice as criticism toward you. You are getting good advice. Listen and put down your keyboard and let it sink in..

This is just my point of view Eric and I commend you for having the heart to charge on and NOT QUIT!

However, in not quitting it is also important for you to understand that your ultimate success will not be determined by 1 person or even a hand full of people.

If it's affiliates you're after then there's other ways of going about it, (if you have an attractive/valuable product), that can accomplish the same goal you are after. Don't be afraid to get creative and try other avenues.

However, if this is the method you are set on using...Well, 1) Consider the product and seek the opinions of others on the product as well.

2) Even if someone told you no...you would be helping yourself to find out why. So ask them why and they may or may not give you a very direct answer and you will instantly know what the problem is and you are that much closer to getting the "Yes" you desire.

3) Study the subject more and this alone may help you discover where it is you may be off...but this may take a little longer than just presenting your offer to a few people and then if they say no just asking them upfront why they wouldn't promote it (b/c this would greatly help you moving forward).

If they are unwilling to even provide you an answer to that...then screw'm. They are probably not the kind of person you would want backing your product anyway.

Remember, all it takes is 1!

And research any great product creator or inventor, athlete (anyone great for that matter) in history and you will see that initial rejection and resistance is just the name of the game.

Perseverance wins the day!

Be Blessed

There seems to be one rule in marketing that cannot be broken...

Most won't, but some will.

Probably applies with looking for JV partners too.

No one started with a name at first
And why force someone to help you with? Start to help yourself first, you will get
easily noticed if you'll prove something by your own.
We can't blame others for our own mistakes.

hazing is the best description I've heard so far but believe me i knew very well what was happening I've seen plenty of hazings. Not personal on my end. I just believe in the truth you call people names etc and run them off the forum and then all of the sudden its all their fault.

Warrior's also help people regain their reputation. This is not an example of that either. You guys are warriors and warriors don't do this.

PERIOD. Nothing personal thats the way it is. Greg you got caught up in the heat of a hazing and are still trying to justify your actions.

What mature warriors do when faced with words of disappointment is come on board to disprove his accusations and overlook.

We could of showed him how to do it like Warriors of the past have done. Pull yourself together cry baby is belittling someone.

CNN hero's is a good example of the warrior forum I know and love. Not the usual here's another newbie lets some of us hit him with clubs ready? Please don't mistake passion over something I care about as taking it personal.

Then again, in the time you wrote this post, you could have been doing exactly that, and added an extra $1700+ or so to your bank account in july 2013.

So what is the motto?

Branding helps, but people these days want to know one thing.

1) you understand their problems.

2) You will bend over backwards to help.

Doing this has been making money for us, no matter what you think or have been told. Your marketing experience is good by the sounds of it, but you have much to learn. That will come in time, with more experience and testing.

Keep pushing even harder than you have been. Look for better JV's to do.

you need to learn more in here about leveraging and finding and contacting better JV partners. I would rather do a deal with one BIG HIGH QUALITY JV, then do 100 smaller ones. I am serious.

You say you have a great product, but I doubt that. When we have created kick ass products, I mean kick ass, people hunt us down to do JV's so go out and create better products.

You seem to be in the beginning stages of the snowball effect, when it starts moving you cannot stop it. So keep it moving now, and you will do well.

When i 1st read the title, i thought it was against WF as in the admins.

Like they deleted your post or something.
Then i saw so many replies and views, surely it would be deleted by now.

Eric this is just a small hurdle in your journey.

Take a different approach and look at things from a different perspective.

People will work with you if your product is good! You don't need a name for yourself.

Stick with it buddy and success will come your way.

Kadus

Almost everyone on here has been so helpful to me. Only a few have bashed me.

There is nothing you can't do on your own, just may take a little longer and more effort. If you need advice, I suggest join a facebook group for JV, there are plenty out there, your just looking in the wrong place.

Reading all the posts here I can only really say one thing: Take Responsability
You either make things happen or let it happen.

The reality is that by posting this type of thread, you are "building" your brand the wrong way from the very beginning so who would want to work with someone who's reputation is built on blaming others for your lack of success?

Build your success story and you will naturally attract those partners that can take your business to the next level. fact.

1) Everyone thinks there product is awesome. Yours might or might not be, who knows.

2) a 50/50 deal is NOT that sweet. Heck I pay my affiliates 70% and I give them banners, links and swipe copy. Literally all they have to do is paste in, sign there name and press send to there list. But you want to do only a 50% with someone who has to do all the marketing work?

Im going to tell you a little secrete. I make all my own products and I sell software so Im not just typing an eBook (though there is nothing wrong with eBooks) and I can say 100% for sure that the 'real work' is in the marketing. You need to give a LOT better than 50% for someone to do the marketing work for you OR you need to give some cash up front or you need to convince them that your product is a mind blowing super awesome everyone needs it because we will die without it product!

3) You need to understand that people doing marketing are doing YOU a favor. Now this might not make sense to you because your thinking that your giving them a nice cut of your income on a product you created but you have to understand #2 its a LOT more easy to make a product than to market one. As such there a lot more great products than there are people who know how to effectively get them out there. People who know what there doing literally can pick and choose from tons of great products every week. If they choose yours they did you a favor because you wouldnt get any sales without them, if they dont choose yours they loose nothing because they can choose any of a dozen other great products from the scores of other people propositioning them.

PS) I didnt read the entire thread so sorry is other people have said this before.