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Is it just me and my friend, but we're noticing PMing back and forth, is this forum being besieged by a massive spam campaign right now?

There's like a ton of WSO's getting hit with spam bots link dropping to everything and such.
#forum #spam #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    Keep an eye out for sketchy names like "salkdjskl" or "kdjaks989" (you get the point) Mostly drug spam and air jordan spam, taking over the forum FAST. Since you have to wait 60 secs per report, it's getting hard to keep up! If you see one report it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Don't forget your **** berry! Yeah the 60 seconds time delay is ANNOYING. Do people really go around reporting legitimate posts that that has to exist?
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    They just keep pouring in like flies on SH#@%T! I can't report them fast enough.
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    Is warrior forum registration free again?
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    That's a good point. I thought it was $10? I'll offer to be a moderator in exchange for a 24/7 banner ad
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    • Profile picture of the author MobileBond
      Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

      That's a good point. I thought it was $10? I'll offer to be a moderator in exchange for a 24/7 banner ad
      Yeah, as i see that all of the spammers have signed up in June,13 and of course does not show 'registered member' under there usernames.
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    Can I know the reason behind putting up the membership free again?

    To help no money makers SPAM the forum?

    The admin is too rich now to have more money?

    they need more traffic?

    what else?
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by twister85 View Post

      Can I know the reason behind putting up the membership free again?

      To help no money makers SPAM the forum?

      The admin is too rich now to have more money?

      they need more traffic?

      what else?
      Your twisted post really complements your user name! It has nothing to do with admin being rich and the forum is not free again. Someone most likely found a backdoor to the registration process and began a spamming campaign.
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      • Profile picture of the author twister85
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        Your twisted post really complements your user name! It has nothing to do with admin being rich and the forum is not free again. Someone most likely found a backdoor to the registration process and began a spamming campaign.
        LOL, I agree with marc, Rich people are always hungry for money, they want more and more and more! but Joseph as you said they may have got in through a "backdoor", Is it really possible? I mean if it so they can apply this to Internet marketing and make a WSO which can be named.

        "Make unlimited accounts at the warrirforum and promote your offers without paying the registration fees.just buy this crap WSO" great Idea don't you think?
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        • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
          Originally Posted by twister85 View Post

          but Joseph as you said they may have got in through a "backdoor", Is it really possible? I mean if it so they can apply this to Internet marketing and make a WSO which can be named.


          I would think that it's the most logical explanation, I can't see the warrior forum being free again because since it became a paid forum once again, the barrages of spam has stopped so a fee does work.


          Originally Posted by twister85 View Post

          I mean if it so they can apply this to Internet marketing and make a WSO which can be named.

          "Make unlimited accounts at the warrirforum and promote your offers without paying the registration fees.just buy this crap WSO" great Idea don't you think?

          A WSO of such would never get past approval.
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    • Profile picture of the author spa3212
      Originally Posted by twister85 View Post

      Can I know the reason behind putting up the membership free again?

      To help no money makers SPAM the forum?

      The admin is too rich now to have more money?

      they need more traffic?

      what else?
      Yes you are right admin is too rich and money is just flowing like water their ways lucky man. He just created this site and sitting in peace and seeing money all the way. What I wants to say stop free membership let this place spam free.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    We don't know if it's free or not, but I'd like to know if it is! That could be the reason why, but it's really bad spam right now. They hit a ton of WSO's which is annoying as hell.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

      We don't know if it's free or not, but I'd like to know if it is! That could be the reason why, but it's really bad spam right now. They hit a ton of WSO's which is annoying as hell.
      I don't spend all day here like I used to, but I have not seen all of this SPAM you talk of.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Tim,

        It tends to be worst in the mornings. I deleted probably 400 spams my first round in today. The UK contingent sees and reports most of it, along with some regular early-birds in the US.


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          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Tim,

          It tends to be worst in the mornings. I deleted probably 400 spams my first round in today. The UK contingent sees and reports most of it, along with some regular early-birds in the US.


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          No poo poo, well I am glad you get it before I get here then.

          Them SOB drive me nuts. I sometimes have more than 100 pages (20 to page) of spam comments on one of my sites. I can't take the time to delete them a page at a time so have to go in and delete them from the data base. I guess you can't do that here.
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        Originally Posted by timpears View Post

        I don't spend all day here like I used to, but I have not seen all of this SPAM you talk of.

        That is because there are enough of us around who clean up poo when we find it, that many of you may never see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Lol I think he was trying to say he had too much money and didn't want anymore. That's funny. Rich people are the opposite, don't you know! Nothing wrong with that!

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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    You CAN make a free membership, but it doesn't last long, usually the free members push their luck and we stomp them out, these are different, they are all free accounts deff using a auto forum poster software spewing BS, I have reported over 30 spammers since 12am and I am going to continue to monitor everyones WSO's because that's what's getting hit the most, someones gotta do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    Help us, start reporting these douches in this thread:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/mind-war...ml#post8205132
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    • Profile picture of the author owais211
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      Yes I noticed some that post that are awkward and pure on nonsense advertisement.

      I'll participate in reporting those post to lessen spamming in IM
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  • Profile picture of the author techbul
    This is probably just a loophole in the registration process and those guys managed to exploit it, it should probably get fixed soon and everything will go back to normal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Xplocial
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    After noticing a ton of spam on the forums, I started searching to figure out what was going on... Sounds like they set the forum free again.

    Just to test it out... I went through the process of signing up for a new account and indeed, there was nothing more than a captcha. No cost required to setup this account I'm posting from, now.

    Definitely not a loophole... Not a backdoor, either. The front door is wide open for spammers right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author hsbinmarket
      Its our bad luck !
      We need to give extra attention to handle the spammers.
      When ways become full of thorn, we are to still walk on.
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  • Profile picture of the author MelanieandMiles
    Its not bad luck, it is more of a fact that they stopped charging for signups. Spammers generally won't cough up $10 to sign up for a form that they'll get banned from by spamming.

    But when it is free, well, the flood-gates are open.
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  • Profile picture of the author Xplocial
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    Instant follow-up from 'Admin' promoting the paid War Room membership.

    Wonder if this is all a part of a big money-making move by the site owners? Maybe they feel that they'd make more by setting the main membership to free and then upselling the war room vs. charging for memberships.

    Hopefully they aren't considering trading integrity for profits...
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Listen here now, integrity and profits don't belong in the same sentence, okay? LOL I'm totally just kidding. But I don't see THAT being reasoning behind it.

    I think conversions are probably better on the War Room from people who paid $10 than to freebie seekers. But if he's testing it?

    More power to him. Too many marketers preach "TEST, TEST, TEST" but never test a damn thing. So I hope he does test it.

    Of course, for his moderators sake, hopefully the test fails!

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  • Profile picture of the author Ximer
    I have noticed quite a bit of spam, but seems the moderators take care of it fairly quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Willy
    If I always see spam and inappropriate messages in any thread or WSO, I always reported it immediately. I guess it's time for WF to be a paid membership forum, a one time payment maybe, perhaps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
    This site Idé say would have a spam filter, most spam doesn't get through, some unfortunately would..I'm a Mod on another site, and that's the situation we get..
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  • Profile picture of the author RandySwanston
    LOL... Nowadays instead of contributing to the forum, I spend time in reporting spam posts. The sad part is I have to wait 60 sec for every report, but spammers can post unlimited number of threads in 60 secs. Wake UP Warriors...
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  • That's incredible how the work of people is damaged by people like these.
    I remember when I opened a forum, just for a try years ago, and the day after I opened it I had to trash it because I had over 30,000 spammy threads around -_-

    We must make their lives a hell, all together.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zarif
      Well, not all free members are spammy, i'm glad myself can signup for free membership, i have a few WSO i purchased here without the membership, but is hard for me to engage with the vendors and other warrior members for support. Last time they charge for $10 fo basci membership, I think is reasonable they charge one time fee for full membership. Those spammy in free membership cant post in WSO either.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Admin should bring back the $10 or make it $1 but the free registration should go; once there is a paid registration, it will solve most of the spam problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      There were spammers joining even when the $10 fee was in place. Of course, they were easy to recognize as you could see "joined today but didn't pay"...
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  • The 2 groups that amaze me the most is those nitpicking speling and those trying to stop spam. I hate to break it to you but you can't stop it not even with 10000 more laws you pass. Your free when you can say something that makes my blood boil and I can't stop you and vice versa. So just don't read it and move on and grow up.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by HelpingYouBeAnExpert View Post

      The 2 groups that amaze me the most is those nitpicking speling and those trying to stop spam. I hate to break it to you but you can't stop it not even with 10000 more laws you pass. Your free when you can say something that makes my blood boil and I can't stop you and vice versa. So just don't read it and move on and grow up.
      No, just hit the triangular report button and move on.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mitch Barber
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        No, just hit the triangular report button and move on.

        Terra
        I'm sorry, but aren't you contradicting yourself here?? You're saying one thing here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8334547 which tells me you're just 'stepping over it' and the complete opposite here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8336506. So which is it?

        I'm saying that I'll clean it up when I see it. But I'm not going out actively searching for the poo!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
          I can tell you, even though I'm relatively new here (over a year) that I care a great deal for this community - now more than ever. But sometimes I wonder where peoples focus is, that's all.
          Originally Posted by Mitch Barber View Post

          I'm saying that I'll clean it up when I see it. But I'm not going out actively searching for the poo!
          I get what you are saying and I think it is a pretty valid point.

          However, when spam attacks like this happen they hit the forum hard and fast. As a result, you might see many spam threads and posts on the main forum.

          People keep reporting these threads and they go invisible but the bots just make more accounts and more threads.

          So it isn't as much that people are actively looking for spam posts to report. The members are just doing what you said, trying to clean up poo when they see it. It just happens to be lots of it when these attacks happen.

          Hope I made sense
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          • Profile picture of the author Mitch Barber
            Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

            I get what you are saying and I think it is a pretty valid point.

            However, when spam attacks like this happen they hit the forum hard and fast. As a result, you might see many spam threads and posts on the main forum.

            People keep reporting these threads and they go invisible but the bots just make more accounts and more threads.

            So it isn't as much that people are actively looking for spam posts to report. The members are just doing what you said, trying to clean up poo when they see it. It just happens to be lots of it when these attacks happen.

            Hope I made sense
            Hey man, I get your drift. And I think most people are doing it the way you say. But it seems there are some people that go to the extreme and start forgetting the real reason that they're here and they become like some kind of addict and all they want to do is hit on the triangular button. And then they're tired from their addiction (and having to wait 60 seconds to hit the next button) and they say they'll need a break for a couple of weeks. Well, of course they're exhausted! That's stressful work! I'm just saying, chill out. Go and find the real posts and share in some constructive content and maybe you won't feel so stressed.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Marc,
            Where can I get more information on the new addition to the system?
            I am not about to start posting that sort of info. Most of the spammers have real accounts here, and I'm not giving them any ammo to push their end of the game forward.

            Won't affect you one bit, and it's only "exciting" for those of us watching it from the control panel side of things. Mostly exciting in the "Hey! Nothing's happening! Hooray!" sense of the word.

            Mitch,
            I realise this may not be a popular post, but gee! All you spam reporters, get a life!! that's the moderators job, not yours.
            Without the people who report spam, this place would fall apart in no time at all.

            Some people put too much focus on it, sure. We'd like folks to report it as they come across it, and otherwise focus on the things they're here for. But without the relatively small group that actually puts an effort in, the rest of the folks who find value in the place would lose it, really quickly.
            I'm not saying stop reporting spammers - far from it. Just don't let that be your focus. That's it really.
            I absolutely agree with that. What we really need is for everyone to learn to report spam when they see it, but only as part of the business-building process they're here for.

            Situations like we've had recently, where the "creeps who belong in prison for their abuses" find a wedge through the system in wholesale fashion, can burn you out if dealing with the spam becomes a focus. Don't let it.

            Mark,
            If a person had ANY idea what really goes on here and what I've seen over the last 10+ years, they would never write anything like you did.
            Quite true. Every person who's worn the moderator cap since we went to multiple mods back in 2002 has had the same experience. It's a whole different animal, once you've seen the other side of that curtain.

            Some of the long-term members like yourself understand it pretty well, from watching and helping out where they can. Most of the people here have no clue what all is involved, though.

            Of course, that's not a bad thing. If too many people had to become intimately familiar with the processes, it would mean things were out of control. In the ideal world, even the mods wouldn't need to be involved in it.

            Mohammad,

            Haven't seen a post from you in quite a while. Nice to see you around again.
            People keep reporting these threads and they go invisible but the bots just make more accounts and more threads.
            Yeah. The way they did it was the problem. I won't go into the details, but that spammer (yes, all that crap was from a single entity) had quite the set-up.

            Simple and devastating. Like a machine gun.

            And people wonder why I dislike spammers so much.


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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by Mitch Barber View Post

          I'm sorry, but aren't you contradicting yourself here?? You're saying one thing here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8334547 which tells me you're just 'stepping over it' and the complete opposite here http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8336506. So which is it?

          I'm saying that I'll clean it up when I see it. But I'm not going out actively searching for the poo!
          No it isn't a contradiction at all. By hitting the report button, I'm helping to clean it up. If I were to just ignore it, that would be stepping over it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by HelpingYouBeAnExpert View Post

      I hate to break it to you but you can't stop it not even with 10000 more laws you pass.
      We don't need the 10,000 laws: the $10 registration-charge (while we had it) seemed to take away about 99% of the spam and cookie-stuffing. Even a $1 charge would probably do the same. Maybe you're technically right about the remaining 1% of it, but that seemed not to be much of a problem, for all those months, compared with the current situation.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/suggesti...uggestion.html
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      • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        We don't need the 10,000 laws: the $10 registration-charge (while we had it) seemed to take away about 99% of the spam and cookie-stuffing. Even a $1 charge would probably do the same. Maybe you're technically right about the remaining 1% of it, but that seemed not to be much of a problem, for all those months, compared with the current situation.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/suggesti...uggestion.html
        I think $10 should be the minimum. Set it up so nonmembers can still read the forum, but simply can't post. That way a potential, legitimate member can decide whether it's worth the $10 to $25 to join and participate.

        Otherwise, the forum will continue to be crushed by spam and eventually destroyed.
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        • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
          Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

          I think $10 should be the minimum. Set it up so nonmembers can still read the forum, but simply can't post. That way a potential, legitimate member can decide whether it's worth the $10 to $25 to join and participate.
          It was always like that! Non members can read but can not post.
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    • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
      I am a paid subscriber to three forums on here. They are pretty much clear of spam. However, many of the threads on the main forum have become more spam than legitimate posts. I also receive some spam in private messages.

      I, as others have reported, find myself spending my time on here reporting spam instead of learning and contributing.

      Frankly, if it gets much worse, I will probably stop visiting for a while.

      This spam invasion needs to be addressed and fixed.
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    I'm all for $1 charge. Shouldn't put off anyone serious, but spam bots don't have paypal for bank accounts.

    Regrettably I've now given up reporting spam. Some days it seems like all I do is come here, report spam posts and leave. If the forum is full of spam now, I just leave.
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

      I'm all for $1 charge. Shouldn't put off anyone serious, but spam bots don't have paypal for bank accounts.

      Regrettably I've now given up reporting spam. Some days it seems like all I do is come here, report spam posts and leave. If the forum is full of spam now, I just leave.
      Rose you are a rocket scientist, that is a great idea! If we all took a vacation from the forum, maybe they will bring the $10 fee back if a large % of members just stood away.
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      • Profile picture of the author marketingva
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        Rose you are a rocket scientist, that is a great idea! If we all took a vacation from the forum, maybe they will bring the $10 fee back if a large % of members just stood away.
        I'm all for that. I started calling myself the "spam whisperer" because I'm spending all my time reporting spam. I might take a week or two off from the forum.

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        • Profile picture of the author Mitch Barber
          Originally Posted by marketingva View Post

          I'm all for that. I started calling myself the "spam whisperer" because I'm spending all my time reporting spam. I might take a week or two off from the forum.

          Bonnie
          I realise this may not be a popular post, but gee! All you spam reporters, get a life!! that's the moderators job, not yours. Ok, sure if you come across a spam post report it - by all means. But I'm hearing you guys complaining about having to wait 60 seconds to report the next spam post - Really??! Is that what you're doing here? Maybe if you ask the moderators/owners you could get get paid a wage of say $5 an hour for that job (if you're lucky!).

          If that's what you want to do, go for it! But that's got nothing to do with internet marketing. Where's your focus? Seriously!
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          • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
            Originally Posted by Mitch Barber View Post

            I realise this may not be a popular post, but gee! All you spam reporters, get a life!! that's the moderators job, not yours. Ok, sure if you come across a spam post report it - by all means. But I'm hearing you guys complaining about having to wait 60 seconds to report the next spam post - Really??! Is that what you're doing here? Maybe if you ask the moderators/owners you could get get paid a wage of say $5 an hour for that job (if you're lucky!).

            If that's what you want to do, go for it! But that's got nothing to do with internet marketing. Where's your focus? Seriously!
            Read this please: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...moderator.html

            Many people here actually care for the community. I know, pretty radical
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            • Profile picture of the author Mitch Barber
              Originally Posted by Mohammad Afaq View Post

              Read this please: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...moderator.html

              Many people here actually care for the community. I know, pretty radical
              Thanks for the reply. That's the second time I've read Pauls excellent post on this subject. It covers many areas of forum politics and his wisdom shines through.

              I can tell you, even though I'm relatively new here (over a year) that I care a great deal for this community - now more than ever. But sometimes I wonder where peoples focus is, that's all.

              If'someone is spending ALL of their time reporting spam, ok.. that's a contribution. But I'd rather have a quality information exchange. I'm just asking, where is your focus really, if that's all you are doing?

              The part of Paul's post that is most relevent to my discussion with you now would be the following:

              "The definition I use for moderation is: To keep discussion within topical limits that allow for optimal benefit to all participants.

              Every word of that definition is important. For starters, the last one: Participation is a requirement to be considered part of the community. Lurkers are welcome, but if you never add anything to the conversation, you have no say about how it's run.

              If the only time you ever post is to complain about how someone else does things, don't bother. You have every right to your opinion, but it doesn't carry much weight. You shouldn't expect it to."

              If you look at my posts you'll find that I am a participant and I do my best to always ad to the conversation and provide value. The same applies to my post above. The 'value' part is for the serial reporters to maybe change their focus. I'm not saying stop reporting spammers - far from it. Just don't let that be your focus. That's it really.
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              • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
                Originally Posted by Mitch Barber View Post

                The 'value' part is for the serial reporters to maybe change their focus. I'm not saying stop reporting spammers - far from it. Just don't let that be your focus. That's it really.
                I don't believe that we have serial reporter syndrome and nobody's focus is to report spam, but when I do come across a spam bot post, I will report it.

                Maybe you just aren't seeing the aggressiveness of these bot posts that some of us are seeing.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
            Some of us, while building our businesses, also are interested in this place. It's not just a place to pimp our sigs or whatever. It's an incredible resource that we want to protect. It's almost like family.

            I agree to some extent that spending too much time reporting the posts could interfere with real business. But, I for one, am willing to help out where I can.

            If a person had ANY idea what really goes on here and what I've seen over the last 10+ years, they would never write anything like you did. And that sentence may not be popular but it's true.

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            Originally Posted by Mitch Barber View Post

            I realise this may not be a popular post, but gee! All you spam reporters, get a life!! that's the moderators job, not yours. Ok, sure if you come across a spam post report it - by all means. But I'm hearing you guys complaining about having to wait 60 seconds to report the next spam post - Really??! Is that what you're doing here? Maybe if you ask the moderators/owners you could get get paid a wage of say $5 an hour for that job (if you're lucky!).

            If that's what you want to do, go for it! But that's got nothing to do with internet marketing. Where's your focus? Seriously!
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            • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
              Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

              Some of us, while building our businesses, also are interested in this place. It's not just a place to pimp our sigs or whatever. It's an incredible resource that we want to protect. It's almost like family.

              I agree to some extent that spending too much time reporting the posts could interfere with real business. But, I for one, am willing to help out where I can.

              If a person had ANY idea what really goes on here and what I've seen over the last 10+ years, they would never write anything like you did. And that sentence may not be popular but it's true.

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              Totally agree with you.
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          • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
            Originally Posted by Mitch Barber View Post


            If that's what you want to do, go for it! But that's got nothing to do with internet marketing. Where's your focus? Seriously!
            It has everything to to do with internet marketing. That's what this forum is all about and it is very difficult to participate whether you are seeking advice or giving it when you are seeing nothing but spam from bots.

            They come in and crap all over the place. I'm not sure about you, but if something came into my home crapping all over the place, I'd want to clean it up rather than constantly stepping over and around it and inevitably in it.

            But hey, you're more than welcome to have poo on your shoe if you prefer.

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  • Profile picture of the author dean20653
    I signed up free so yes its free (For now), I will be upgrading to war room shortly. However I would have signed up for a dollar as well due to the fact that I came here being serious about IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      This spam invasion needs to be addressed and fixed.
      I doubt anyone is more aware of that than the mods...

      Allen just started testing a new addition to the system. Looks promising so far, but it's very early. This stuff always breaks down to an arms race. We find ways to block, they find ways around it.

      We've been through this many times before. Not quite the same way as this flood, but still, it happens. It's part of doing anything online.

      Gotta make you think, though, about the creeps who run around spamming forums, in the name of "SEO." And, obviously, the people who pay them.


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      Edit: We still have to deal with the ones they've already created, but this seems to have stopped the new spam accounts for the time being.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        I doubt anyone is more aware of that than the mods...



        Gotta make you think, though, about the creeps who run around spamming forums, in the name of "SEO." And, obviously, the people who pay them.
        Sorry Paul, This kind of made me chuckle, because it is a bit ironic. These spammers are probably using software purchased in the WSO forum.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Chris,
          Sorry Paul, This kind of made me chuckle, because it is a bit ironic. These spammers are probably using software purchased in the WSO forum.
          If you find ads here for software used to spam forums, or any other social sites, please report them.


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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    Where can I get more information on the new addition to the system?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
    It's still free, as I've only joined the War room several weeks ago..

    Also, what's the difference between a registered and paid member/War Room.

    I would have thought all members would be registered, paid and free members?

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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    I like both sides of the argument. Valid points. Anyway, is the new addition going to be exciting? And how does it affect me? That's what I want to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gambino
    Is it possible to charge a registration fee but get it back after a certain number of days or posts if the forum doesn't want to charge people to sign up? The spam has been really out of hand lately.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I see your point Mitch. I don't go looking for it per se. But I do almost exclusively use the New Posts feature to browse the forum which shows me the newest posts from all parts of the forum. So it's hard to miss.

    I admit that I pass it by sometimes but if I have a second and if I see it I'll hit the button, type in "spam" and go on my way.

    The problem is when the forum is OVERRUN with it like the last couple days, you can't see or do anything without it interfering. Heck I participated in another thread about the spam bots and the spam bot itself was the most prolific poster in the thread!

    There's got to be a balance I 100% agree.

    I think that Allen needs to rethink his strategy about reopening the free registration because as much as we love the guy and the place, patience is running thin I presume for a lot of us old-timers when we are trying to do our part and such seemingly obvious easier measures are abandoned. There's some who have said that they just don't care anymore because of this.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mitch Barber
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      I see your point Mitch. I don't go looking for it per se. But I do almost exclusively use the New Posts feature to browse the forum which shows me the newest posts from all parts of the forum. So it's hard to miss.

      I admit that I pass it by sometimes but if I have a second and if I see it I'll hit the button, type in "spam" and go on my way.

      The problem is when the forum is OVERRUN with it like the last couple days, you can't see or do anything without it interfering. Heck I participated in another thread about the spam bots and the spam bot itself was the most prolific poster in the thread!

      There's got to be a balance I 100% agree.

      I think that Allen needs to rethink his strategy about reopening the free registration because as much as we love the guy and the place, patience is running thin I presume for a lot of us old-timers when we are trying to do our part and such seemingly obvious easier measures are abandoned. There's some who have said that they just don't care anymore because of this.

      Mark
      Hey Mark, you and many of the other posters here do make a lot of sense. And I'm certainly willing to draw from the experienced members here. From what I'm reading, it does seem that the paid option would dispense with much of the problem. I suppose the key is to find some kind of balance. I joined as a free member over a year ago. I've never known that there was a paid only version. But I would gladly have paid $1 (or possibly even $10). If $1 stops the spammers though, then I'm all for it.

      At the time, I didn't realise the full value so I probably wouldn't have stumped up the $10. I would now. But if you want to keep an influx of new people and $1 solves the problem, then I reckon that would be the way to go.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Mitch,
        I suppose the key is to find some kind of balance.
        The guiding principle behind every decision the mods make. You don't get to be a moderator here any more if you haven't shown that awareness of balance.


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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    400 in your first round? WTF

    And you don't get paid.

    Seems crazy to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Marc,

      You need to understand that a lot of those went away 20 or more at a whack. When you nuke the ones who post big numbers per account, it adds up fast.

      Probably 60 reports. Took about a half hour to clear the queue. It would have been faster, but I was doing it from an iPad, which limits things somewhat.

      The time-consuming stuff is the WSO arguments. People on both sides can become obsessed with those. It's still surprising to me how few adults actually recognize that there are at least two sides to every story, and they can both be wrong, both right, or both.

      Edited to add: I should point out that the guy who was handling the late night stuff last night probably nuked as many as I did this morning. Another hit similar numbers this afternoon while I was off writing an article. And we all made stops in the queue in the interims.

      This isn't a one-person show. We have 6 "official" forum-wide moderators (people who can nuke/move/whatever anything, anywhere), a number of people who handle a few sub-forums, and the woman who moderates the blogs. Plus Thomas, without whom the whole place would fall over within 3 days or so.

      With the exception of Allen's tech ninja, who keeps the iron up, we all rely on the other members to tell us what needs doing. It's more an ecosystem than a top-down thing at this point. Has been for years.


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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        there are at least two sides to every story, and they can both be wrong, both right, or both.


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        At least three ways by my count...

        The right way, the wrong way, and my way... :p
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          Bill,
          At least three ways by my count...

          The right way, the wrong way, and my way... :p
          Consider yourself told.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Parker
    I have been watching the warrior forum from the sidelines. Decided to sign up today and was surprised that there was no registration fee. What happened to porcupine meets pineapple?

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Karen Parker View Post

      I have been watching the warrior forum from the sidelines. Decided to sign up today and was surprised that there was no registration fee. What happened to porcupine meets pineapple?

      http://youtu.be/2H1Gl1pfcMQ

      Use the direct YouTube.com link instead of the shortened link...

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        I just figured out what I've been doing wrong with all those videos I tried to post in OT convos. I was leaving the link as a secure URL. Deleted the 's' from 'https,' and it worked.

        Small things, as they say...
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        • Profile picture of the author Gail_Curran
          Some people play "Angry Birds." I play "Find the Spammers."

          The posts from spambots are easy to see and I usually leave those alone, because I know they will be reported. I go after the more "human" spammers. The people who flout the rules. The people who use the forum as their personal ad space. The people who think they are special and don't need to pay for advertising. The people who dump dozens of worthless posts in the space of a few minutes, just to get their signature seen. The people who create multiple accounts. The cookie stuffers who cheat their way to affiliate commissions. And so on, ad infinitum.

          I do it because it's fun. I do it because I like rules and order and civilized behaviour. I do it because people who think they are better than everyone else bug me.

          But you know, I've never seen so much disdain for member moderators as I've seen in this thread. "Serial reporters"? Is that like serial killers? Is that what you think of people who help keep this place from devolving into a trash heap?

          The hell with it. I'm done. Enjoy your forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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            Originally Posted by Gail_Curran View Post

            Some people play "Angry Birds." I play "Find the Spammers."

            The posts from spambots are easy to see and I usually leave those alone, because I know they will be reported. I go after the more "human" spammers. The people who flout the rules. The people who use the forum as their personal ad space. The people who think they are special and don't need to pay for advertising. The people who dump dozens of worthless posts in the space of a few minutes, just to get their signature seen. The people who create multiple accounts. The cookie stuffers who cheat their way to affiliate commissions. And so on, ad infinitum.

            I do it because it's fun. I do it because I like rules and order and civilized behaviour. I do it because people who think they are better than everyone else bug me.

            But you know, I've never seen so much disdain for member moderators as I've seen in this thread. "Serial reporters"? Is that like serial killers? Is that what you think of people who help keep this place from devolving into a trash heap?

            The hell with it. I'm done. Enjoy your forum.
            Couldn't of put it better myself.
            Don't let the "nobody's" get to you Gail.
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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          I just figured out what I've been doing wrong with all those videos I tried to post in OT convos. I was leaving the link as a secure URL. Deleted the 's' from 'https,' and it worked.

          Small things, as they say...
          You're kidding?

          I've never understood why I can only put the link and the video never appears.

          Oh well, if it stumped you I can live with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    I do agree that letting people signing up the account for free do open up to spammers but not all free account member's are spammer. I think the key factor is whether they are willing to join the community to provide good and useful information.

    I am sure the Moderators are trying their best effort to get rid of as many spammers as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinChapman
    I keep on getting very bizarre spammy pm's, they're driving me mad!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Gail, even though I'm no one special, I do appreciate your efforts. Please don't let anyone run you off.

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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    I can't believe this thread is still going lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by PROmotions LLC View Post

      I can't believe this thread is still going lol
      And you just helped to keep it going.

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      • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
        Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

        And you just helped to keep it going.

        It's just funny because this thread started in my inbox between me and Marc LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Warrior Forum is heading for a fallout with Google. The current Google Quality Guidelines concerning sig files says:

    Forum comments with optimized links in the post or signature, for example:
    Thanks, that’s great info!
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    That's pretty much how all the sigs are set up here. Expect penalties for lots of people who participate here soon.

    In reality, 'paying' people to post by incentivizing them with 'anchor text' is a bad idea IMHO. Look at the crap it drags in.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Warrior Forum is heading for a fallout with Google. The current Google Quality Guidelines concerning sig files says:

      Forum comments with optimized links in the post or signature, for example:
      Thanks, that's great info!
      - Paul
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      That's pretty much how all the sigs are set up here. Expect penalties for lots of people who participate here soon.

      In reality, 'paying' people to post by incentivizing them with 'anchor text' is a bad idea IMHO. Look at the crap it drags in.

      LOL

      I doubt if the forum management will be concerned about that.

      And I for another won't give a hoot if Google doesn't like my forum signature. I don't put the signature there for the benefit of Google anyhow.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        LOL

        I doubt if the forum management will be concerned about that.

        And I for another won't give a hoot if Google doesn't like my forum signature. I don't put the signature there for the benefit of Google anyhow.
        Forum management isn't concerned about anything apparently That said, once people start getting backlink penalties from having WF sigs, there will be a lot of bitching.

        It's a bad practice. This ain't 2006 any more
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Forum management isn't concerned about anything apparently That said, once people start getting backlink penalties from having WF sigs, there will be a lot of bitching.

          It's a bad practice. This ain't 2006 any more

          Let em bitch. :p

          Maybe others will join me in my opinion about what Google can do with their rules...

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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Forum management isn't concerned about anything apparently That said, once people start getting backlink penalties from having WF sigs, there will be a lot of bitching.

          It's a bad practice. This ain't 2006 any more
          Well if they want to throw a hissy fit over it, then they need to direct that anger towards themselves. It's not like the Warrior Forum made it mandatory to post up a signature link with optimized keywords before you could post. :rolleyes:

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          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            Well if they want to throw a hissy fit over it, then they need to direct that anger towards themselves. It's not like the Warrior Forum made it mandatory to post up a signature link with optimized keywords before you could post. :rolleyes:

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            AFAIK this rule change by Google just happened in the last few days. I was just pointing it out because it's directly related to the 'spammers' who are basically ruining the U.E. here for many.

            They're only here for 'optimized anchor text sig files' which are now officially against Google's policies.

            Removing the 'benefit' of the links makes sense to help stop spam because the links are now officially useless/potentially damaging from an SEO standpoint.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Warrior Forum is heading for a fallout with Google. The current Google Quality Guidelines concerning sig files says:

      Forum comments with optimized links in the post or signature, for example:
      Thanks, that's great info!
      - Paul
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      That's pretty much how all the sigs are set up here. Expect penalties for lots of people who participate here soon.

      In reality, 'paying' people to post by incentivizing them with 'anchor text' is a bad idea IMHO. Look at the crap it drags in.

      You must be seeing sigs that I don't. But that is neither here nor there.

      Seriously? The Warrior Forum is the largest and most successful internet marketing forum on the net. I highly doubt that Allen is going to run around in circles like a chicken with its head cut off making changes every where just because "Google" has spoken.

      It cracks me up that people revere Google as the end all of everything internet related, lol!

      It's not like you need to act like a circus monkey jumping through hoops in the Google Circus if you really understand marketing.

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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        You must be seeing sigs that I don't. But that is neither here nor there.

        Seriously? The Warrior Forum is the largest and most successful internet marketing forum on the net. I highly doubt that Allen is going to run around in circles like a chicken with its head cut off making changes every where just because "Google" has spoken.

        It cracks me up that people revere Google as the end all of everything internet related, lol!

        It's not like you need to act like a circus monkey jumping through hoops in the Google Circus if you really understand marketing.

        Terra
        Forums rely on Google for traffic much more than an average website.

        Sig files with anchor text are now labelled a 'link scheme' by Google and can now cause link penalties. Seems to me that offers very little benefit for the members.

        In any event, as long as people are enjoying the new influx of robotic posters who are here for the 'dofollow optimized anchor text' then all is well
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Forums rely on Google for traffic much more than an average website.

          Sig files with anchor text are now labelled a 'link scheme' by Google and can now cause link penalties. Seems to me that offers very little benefit for the members.

          In any event, as long as people are enjoying the new influx of robotic posters who are here for the 'dofollow optimized anchor text' then all is well

          With half a million members, I doubt if this forum relies on Google for its traffic.

          And some members like myself benefit to see the orientation of the poster in his/her signature, plus I am able to find some really cool offers that I actually buy.
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          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            With half a million members, I doubt if this forum relies on Google for its traffic.

            And some members like myself benefit to see the orientation of the poster in his/her signature, plus I am able to find some really cool offers that I actually buy.
            Technically I believe Google wants a 'nofollow' attribute added so that the links don't pass PR any more.

            Really, none of my business and I'm sorry I brought it up.

            Carry on as usual Warrior Forum
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Forums rely on Google for traffic much more than an average website.

          Sig files with anchor text are now labelled a 'link scheme' by Google and can now cause link penalties. Seems to me that offers very little benefit for the members.

          In any event, as long as people are enjoying the new influx of robotic posters who are here for the 'dofollow optimized anchor text' then all is well
          I'm sure that the personal referrals here are of much higher quality than those of Google searches, over all.

          And I'm quite confident that the spam bots don't come here by referral. Why refer here when all of your work is nuked by the end of the day?

          I really don't see the need to get panties all up in a bunch over it.

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          • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            I'm sure that the personal referrals here are of much higher quality than those of Google searches, over all.

            And I'm quite confident that the spam bots don't come here by referral. Why refer here when all of your work is nuked by the end of the day?

            I really don't see the need to get panties all up in a bunch over it.

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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

              My panties are not bunched up
              Haha!

              I wasn't referring to yours specifically. But, glad to hear it, I think. Or maybe not, lol!

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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Barry,
                In reality, 'paying' people to post by incentivizing them with 'anchor text' is a bad idea IMHO. Look at the crap it drags in.
                On the flip side, look at the quality people who joined thinking (at least a little) about the value of their signatures, and stayed for the value of the discussions.

                It would be really easy to get rid of most of that stuff. All we'd need to do is block about a third of the world's population.

                I've contacted Allen about possibly making them nofollow links. That'll be his call.
                Forum management isn't concerned about anything apparently
                Or maybe the folks who keep things going here are more focused on more immediate things, like hunting down spammers and scammers. Or finding proactive ways to block/reduce the amount of pollution flowing into the discussions.

                Nah. Couldn't be. None of us cares about any of that stuff, right?


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  • >>I do it because it's fun. I do it because I like rules and order and civilized behaviour.

    I break rules every day. I lived in 1 country and 1 state (California) where they passed over 5000 laws in one year. Come to think of it is it posible to live and not break rules?
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Basically, Google can kiss my ass.

    It is nothing personal against you, but I am so tired of hearing about how Google does not like how I run my business.

    Until they start sending me checks to pay me for my time, they will continue to have no say whatsoever in how I acquire customers.
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  • So what if google does this or that, what are we going to be slaves to the google "gods"? Do what you feel is right now what you are told, live the golden rule, Dam the torpedoes and full speed ahead and Google is the torpedo.
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    soon people... Relax...
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