by kos818
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Hi Folks,

I'm not quite sure if I am the only one that thinks that the quality in the WSO section is getting worser and worser. I purchased a bunch of WSOs the last weeks and there was only one golden nugget available. Nothing wrong with that, but I contacted one of the creators and asked kindly for a refund. The 4th time I did that in 8+ years.

I assume he is a kid just starting out, so he didn't know that publishing that kind of useless information does more harm to him then to me. He refused my refund (I am col with that) and I moved on after he asked me not to publish what I wrote to him (after asking for a refund that would have made me look like a cheap skate looking for revenge after loosing 40 bucks on him). Problem was that that rubbish was "WSO of the Day" and had quite a bunch of reviews.

Saying that I haven't left a review for a friend once in a while (was once and the product was worth buying it, afterwards I would have told my "buddy"), but I really don't get it why there is so much praise for something not worth my time reading through it. IF something gets awarded WSO of the Day it should at least deliver some value, right? 2nd thing is that IMHO there should be a mandatory refund policy. At least for info-products. Introducing another feature where an author can mark someone as a refunder would get rid of the cheap skates that do serial refunds in no time.

I guess most WSO creators spend more time and money on their sales copy then on their products. While my first language is not English I doubt that I wouldn't be able to create something that does not read gibberish. I proof read it at least once (didn't do it for that post BTW, bash me for that).

So what are your thoughts about that? I am really thinking about abandoning the Warriorforum. It was a great resource back in the days, but with WSOs like "make 4-figures in 2 hours from WSOs!" (should read "make 4-figures in 2 hours while fooling your fellow marketers with useless WSOs a 5 year old might do better").

Cheers,
Sven

PS: No offense to anyone intended. I'm just curious to ask. And I know that the IM field alters daily. Maybe it is just the same things that happend to traditional advertising after WW2. The young guns take over...
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Clark
    A lot of WSO's these days are on product creation and Warrior members now sell WSO's on creating your first WSO and how to then go on to make more WSO's so it's a never ending cycle with everyone benefiting bar the newbie who gets information overload and a credit card balance in the red if they're not carefully.
    I don't buy WSOTD out of principle, they're usually chose based on conversion rates I belive, after all we all want to make money right? Of course the product has to have substance but you say so yourself, Warriors seem to spend more on marketing than they do on the product itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author kos818
      Hi Daniel,

      might be a vicous circle... I dropped out from WF 2 years ago for about 11 months and doubt that I missed a single thing. Problem might be the "promote this product as an affiliate" function. Got worser with JVZoo.

      Publish some "information product", give most of the earnings to your "JV partners" and make the money back on the backend. Kind of short sighted. Bought a product (not on WF) the other day and made it through 5 or 6 OTOs. Another one had 8! exit pop-ups. Klicking through them kind of made me laugh.

      Second problem is that you get bombarded with "Hey, my buddy XY just launched this awesome product" all the time after someone made you sign up only to get what you paid for (or didn't get ;-)). Would have loved to be on WF 12 years ago when I started eBusiness. I guess it was that community I would be proud to participate in...

      Have a great one,
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    • Profile picture of the author ivana
      I am always interested in traffic strategies and SEO strategies, but I've got to tell you, out of 100's that I've spent, only 2 thought me something I could use. Often, there is too much hype and not enough info ;-)
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      • Profile picture of the author kos818
        Hi Ivana,

        IMHO IF someone promisses a golden nugget he better delivers. Otherise I call him a cheater... I don't mind spending my hard earned cash for something valuable. But if a product does not deliver I feel like being ripped off. No matter if that happens in the real world or on the internet!

        Have a great day
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        • Profile picture of the author IMDealBox
          Most of WSOs are mass produced - thus of much lower quality.

          Some creators of WSOs are more focused on having a shinny sales page and an army of JVs than to actually deliver some high quality info! Even if the info is old...put a spin or twist on it and...there...a new and fresh product.
          Dont just rewrite other products and throw some non-relevant upsells!

          Buyers are partially to blame too! They just give in the hype and buy whatever is most promoted...which gives the creators confidence that Hype Sells not Quality!

          Worst thing is that mods dont allow to call a crappy product by its name on the sales thread! I got way to many comments removed for saying the product is either BS or even SCAM! yes...it happened with scam once - comment got removed and WSO is still being sold!

          Anyways...there are truly valuable WSOs out there...you just need to know how to filter the BS from the Gems!

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          • Profile picture of the author kos818
            Originally Posted by EdwardsEZPC View Post

            Buyers are partially to blame too!
            Well said DIXI, well said. Guilty on that too. Problem is that sometimes until you went through PayPal you can't filter out the real gems, right?

            @Kayfrank: Well said. There ain't no revolution the next years. Problem is that from time to time someone want to digg deeper into a new technique and in my case the WF WAS the first place I looked into. Problem is that you can't verify anything outside from WF anymore. There was a time when you could type site:warriorforum.com hyped products name and got what I would call real reviews and not some aff-BS. That times seem to be long gone.

            @John: As said to Kayfrank sometimes you just get currios about something you never tried before. I prefer the shortcut while spending some money. Problem is that in 9 out of 10 cases I feel like someones spitting into my face. Glourious reviews by warriors that have kind of a legacy aren't worth the time they wrote the "review" anymore. And again, no offense anymore. On the other hand you have WSOs posted in June with loads of reviews from fellows that just signed up to leave there praise and "approval" on the best WSO ever. Thanks for that. I won't buy in for sure...
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            • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
              Originally Posted by kos818 View Post

              Glourious reviews by warriors that have kind of a legacy aren't worth the time they wrote the "review" anymore.
              The problem with "reviews" is that most of them aren't "reviews" at all.

              They are a bunch of:

              "Billy (the WSO seller) is a swell guy! I haven't actually tried the method but I read the ebook and feel there is no way it can fail!"

              "3000 words of quality content! Billy is awesome! Great work Billy! Can't wait to get started!"

              Very few WSOs actually include REAL reviews from REAL people who ACTUALLY used the info to make money. Look for offers that show this info and you will eliminate 95% of the garbage.
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              • Profile picture of the author kos818
                Haha. I meant kind of matured warriors like yourself (hell of a post count!). Not a member since 2 days, posted some valuable information and left a review that wasn't glorifiying to much!

                I have kind of a filter for "review copy". IF there is a page two I go sraight there and read the comments there. Chances are that you'll find out the truth. Increases the success rate, haha.

                Saw a great blog the other day. That fellow had a bunch of articles where you where required to pay for. Was on my mobile as it was 2.30AM (prefer leaving the laptop in my office), so I didn't buy in. Best thing was "take the blue pill or take the red one and go straight to WF", haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayfrank
    I think the truth is that there is little new out there. You expect to see something amazing and it isn't! I think the value of WSO is probably for the newbie - providing real step by step instructions on how to do things. That seem to be lacking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hlatky
    Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

    The problem with "reviews" is that most of them aren't "reviews" at all.

    They are a bunch of:

    "Billy (the WSO seller) is a swell guy! I haven't actually tried the method but I read the ebook and feel there is no way it can fail!"

    "3000 words of quality content! Billy is awesome! Great work Billy! Can't wait to get started!"

    Very few WSOs actually include REAL reviews from REAL people who ACTUALLY used the info to make money. Look for offers that show this info and you will eliminate 95% of the garbage.

    Billy is so great that I didn't even read the salespage! I just hit the buy button because I knew it was going to be good!

    LOL. These crack me up.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    1. Disclosure: I am a product seller and I have sold several WSO's.

    2. I am so sick of seeing these threads over and over again. You are simply making an assumption and generalizing a whole bunch of products based on a few bad experiences you have had. I've bought a lot of WSO's over the years and have only ever had to refund 1 or 2 of them. I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you are buying a lot of crap products that generally has more to do with YOUR choice of products than anything else. If you are buying products that have ridiculous claims then what do you really expect and why do you keep buying them?

    Opportunity seekers have no one to blame but themselves unfortunately. 99% of all WSO's are NOT crap. 99% of the WSO's YOU decided to purchase were crap. Either stop buying them or do better research before buying and stop buying anything that looks too good to be true.

    3. Would you like people to make assumptions about you based on a few grammar mistakes you have made in your post? Should I then just assume you don't know how to speak English properly? That's exactly what you are doing here. Making generalizations based on a small few.

    4. WSO of the Day is a prize that has to be given out every single day. Therefore it is the best product available that day. Sometimes that means it will be the best of a good bunch, sometimes that means it will be the best of a bad bunch. Again it is up to you to take responsibility for your own buying decisions. You are a mature consenting adult and no one has forced you to buy anything. They have all been products YOU decided to purchase.

    5. There are way more customers out there that abuse refund policies than vendors that abuse refund policies. So no, refunds should not be compulsory. But good products will have refund policies in place and will stand by those refund policies. Again, this has to do with the type of vendors you have decided to buy from.
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    • Profile picture of the author kos818
      Hi Will,

      thanks for your honest words. Appreciate that. I know that this is a marketing forum and for many of us the main purpose for participation is making money while educating others or to educate themselves. Nothing wrong with that.

      You are right that I might lack a command of written English and I won't play the 3rd language card (I speak way more Mandarin these days then English - hell, even more then my mother tongue which would be German). I just re-read my initial thoughts and you are right. There is a chance to misunderstand what I tried to say: I don't mind if there are grammar mistakes or misspellings. I'm not a grammar Nazi and as you said I might not even be able to figure them out. I don't even give a damn about it. What I tried to get through was that it kind of makes me feel uncomfortable if I read something like "check out this link" and there ain't none. Other example? Sentences that end in the middle of nowhere. I have a time to market approach too for sure, but am I asking to much when saying that ONE proof-read would sweeten my day? I am not buying that much WSOs but did so as I am interested in one specific topic right now and rather take the blue pill then searching my a.s off for a day or two. While doing so it just came to my mind that what I get to consume differs kind off from what I was used to a couple of years ago.

      Regarding point 5 I totally agree with you. I would hate getting a "please issue a refund, thanks" mail 10 minutes after someone purchased. While there ain't not way to stop that I already thought about kind of a seller protection too, right?

      On the end of the day it is a discussion forum. I mentioned that I have zero intention to piss anyone off ;-) Sorry if I did.

      Have a great one,
      best
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      kos818,
      He refused my refund
      PM me with the link to the offer. Also, if the refusal was in a PM here, report that to the mods, with "Attention Paul" in the report.

      To report a PM, click on the little red triangle above and to the right of the private message screen.

      EdwardsEZPC,
      Worst thing is that mods dont allow to call a crappy product by its name on the sales thread!
      Want to know how to avoid that? Only comment on products you've actually purchased, and don't engage in running arguments in sales threads. I've deleted a number of your comments, and haven't seen any indication in any of those threads that you've actually paid for the product you're slamming.

      You need to read the rules in that section before you post there again.

      PM me with the details of the offer you claim is a scam. And include evidence, not just your persistently negative opinion.

      Posting in threads doesn't guarantee that a moderator will see your comments. With something over 4000 new posts a day on average, reading them all is simply not possible. Use the report post button, and we'll see it.

      To do that, click on the little red triangle to the lower left of the post you're reporting. Include relevant details, not just something useless like "SCAM!" The way that word gets tossed around any more, it's meaningless. Give us something to work with. Like, you know, facts and stuff.

      Mike,
      LOL. These crack me up.
      Happy to have entertained you.

      I've said something very similar to what you find funny when commenting on offers from Max Rylski. His graphics packages are regularly so good that the value for the money makes them no-brainers. I'll do a quick scan of the graphics and usually buy immediately.


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      • Profile picture of the author kos818
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        kos818,PM me with the link to the offer. Also, if the refusal was in a PM here, report that to the mods, with "Attention Paul" in the report
        Hi Paul,

        refusing my refund was kind of "within the refund policy". You have to proof that you tried it, but I thought it won't be worth my time, haha. US$40 make a great dinner here in China, but I won't complain at all. Told him to keep it and moved on (send him the review I already wrote only to his attention and didn't get a short thank you back ;-)). That fellow might have printed out my profile picture and do something bad to it! Glad me I did not only lose my pony tale (and that lovely sunglasses) but also about 30lbs (why don't you guys use the metric system ;-)) of weight since the Worldcup back home. So he won't recognize me...

        Thanks for the hats up and a great job here (for me dealing with a bunch of comments on my private blog is way too much)
        Sven

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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I won't complain at all
          But you just did.

          The quality of WSOs mirrors the growth of the "make money by running WSOs" method of marketing. Not surprising and there are still nuggets to be found and money to be made.

          IF something gets awarded WSO of the Day it should at least deliver some value
          You've been here long enough to know the 'award' is not issued by the WF and is more a 'promotional tag'.
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          • Profile picture of the author kos818
            Hi Kay,

            don't take it with a pinch of salt (hope you get it, just tranlated a common German saying). IMHO there might be a tendency to "do no harm while leaving a good review". If there are bad reviews it is mostly for a "real" product where the supplier failed to deliver on TAT or at all, right?

            Promotional tag named it quite well. Still remmeber when I found the WF (way before I actually took the plunge and signed up) and saw that they mentioned that I can get valuable information for pennies (this is how it was described back in the days).

            @Tiff: I'm certainly not qualifiying for that, so I didn't mention it in the poll ;-)
            WSO whores made my day BTW. Most of my purchases here aren't IM products, so chances to get screwed are kind of low. And I decided not to let WSOs pile up on my harddrive long time ago. But what actually cought my attention was the mismatch between sales copy, price tag and what I "hold in my hands" after my purchase(s). Also refering to informational products. What I tried to say is "fellow warriors, launching something 1hour later does no harm to anyone"... Have the same problem from time to time with my fiancé. We stick to Chinese all the time and I can't explain everything the way I would love to.
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
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      4. WSO of the Day is a prize that has to be given out every single day. Therefore it is the best product available that day. Sometimes that means it will be the best of a good bunch, sometimes that means it will be the best of a bad bunch.
      Will, are you telling us that someone is going through the wso offers and declaring a best of the bunch? I always thought it was based on conversions.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Thomas,
        I always thought it was based on conversions.
        And refund rates, and other stats. Plus Mike's opinion, based on the comments. That is my impression of how it's picked, at any rate.

        There's no way anyone could claim to pick the "best" every day, especially when they limit their options to offers that use one specific affiliate platform. Mike only picks offers sold through W+. Brian (or whoever handles it there) only picks offers sold through JV Zoo.

        I don't think I've ever seen Mike or the JV Zoo guys claim they always picked the best product for the day. It's just an offer they've chosen to promote, for whatever reasons.


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        • Profile picture of the author hsbinmarket
          I have just started my journey in this forum and IM.
          I have got a very positive idea about WF.
          But from the beginning I have heard bad sound about WSO.
          So far I never be there in WSO.

          This post just pushed me out of interest about WSO.

          I m confused !!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      You are simply making an assumption and generalizing a whole bunch of products based on a few bad experiences you have had.
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Opportunity seekers have no one to blame but themselves unfortunately. 99% of all WSO's are NOT crap.
      No offense but is that ^^^ not also "assumption and generalizing " on your part...
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        But from the beginning I have heard bad sound about WSO.
        Yeah. There's a lot of that. One of my favorites was "They delete negative reviews! It's a scam!"

        That pretty much stopped, here at least, when I challenged one of the louder voices on the subject to go into the WSO section and read a few threads with 2 or more pages. The whole argument falls apart if you actually look at what's there, rather than listening to people who are just repeating what someone else said.

        There are great WSOs and there are garbage WSOs. There are occasional scams, which we delete as soon as we become aware of them. (Nuked one this morning already.) There's a lot of stuff there that will work for some people and not others. And there are tools and graphics that can save you a lot of time and money.

        You have to be picky.

        First, completely ignore income claims. Even if they're true, they have nothing to do with you, unless you have the same skill set and do the same work as the seller. And some of them are completely made up. There's no way to know what percentage fall into which category, but if you ignore them, it doesn't affect you.

        Don't buy anything unless you're very clear on what's being sold, and you intend to use it right now. There are a few exceptions, like building a graphics library, but, in general, "Will I use this now?" is a good test.

        Read the thread, and look at reviews from paying customers. Character testimonials ("Joe's a great guy!") don't have anything to do with the utility of the offer. Look for responses from the seller, too. If they dodge relevant and important questions or demand that pre-sales questions be handled through a help desk, stay away. That's fine for tech support and product download issues and the like, but knowing what you're buying is just good sense.

        Pay special attention to the rational reviews, good and bad. Ignore the screamers. They're almost always venting about their egos, rather than the actual product. Drama queens are rarely to be taken seriously.

        Fine-tune your BS meter.

        As a personal recommendation: Don't buy anything from someone with very few posts or who signed up within the past month.

        Low post count doesn't mean they're not solid, and a high post count doesn't mean they have even a single clue. The reason I make that recommendation is simple. The vast majority of sketchy offers come from people who sign up for the sole purpose of selling WSOs.

        The reverse isn't necessarily true. Not all people who are new are trying to con you. But if they're not, they'll probably still be around in a month or three.


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    • Profile picture of the author kos818
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      In the year 2013 how anyone can honestly think there are 'secrets' to 'making money' is beyond me!
      Got me ;-)

      WSO section might proof you wrong ;-) Don't we all need a great read from time to time? Should charge my Kindle some time soon...
      For me I´m looking into a new traffic soure. Not a new source for sure, but kind of new for me Not digging for secrets for sure... But hey, Barny said "I told him not to give that away so cheap - worth 100 times for sure!!! GET IT K N O W", haha.
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by kos818 View Post

        Got me ;-)

        WSO section might proof you wrong ;-) Don't we all need a great read from time to time? Should charge my Kindle some time soon...
        For me I´m looking into a new traffic soure. Not a new source for sure, but kind of new for me Not digging for secrets for sure... But hey, Barny said "I told him not to give that away so cheap - worth 100 times for sure!!! GET IT K N O W", haha.
        I understand the logic completely. "Hey, it only costs $7. If I learn ONE THING that makes me money, it's well worth it."

        It's human nature to want to discover knowledge, especially when it can help our cause.
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        • Profile picture of the author kos818
          The price of a meal at McDonalds (or even less, depending where you are located)... Always get's under our skins. My one and only WSO sold for that price ;-) I guess it is still active. Sold it a couple of years ago (was a guide about outsourcing but I decided to get my hands dirty with a 2nd ad agency not considering that my fellow countrymen aren't the kind of customers that appreciate anything)... Lessons learned.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    There should be another option to the poll that reads, "I'm an extremely smart shopper, so the quality's still excellent."

    I'm very rarely ever disappointed. In fact, can't think of the last time I was but I'm sure I was.

    Usually, if I AM disappointed, it's strictly because I allowed myself to have one of those, "Oh what the hell" moments and buy without doing any legwork to see if the person and product had any reliability or trust factor. (And sometimes I do this if I have money to burn and just want to see because I'm bored or something).

    But most of the time, I don't just randomly go buy WSOs. I have criteria in place such as:

    ** Did someone on my list recommend this to me - not someone who just signed up, but someone whose name I recognize from participating on my blog or emailing me?

    ** Do I know this person's name - and if so, what's their "behind the scenes" reputation - not the big braggart one out front but the real way people talk about them when they're giving you the scoop they wouldn't post publicly?

    ** Are the testimonials all from people who I see as "review whores?" Because those people have a reputation, too. Their name is on so many reviews, I don't trust any of them anymore.

    That kind of stuff. If they get the green light, I buy - and it's usually a wonderful product. So quality control is up to ME more than anything (in my mind).

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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    So many WSO's are not even WSO's. I dont understand why people cant get that. A WSO is suppose to be a special offer for Warrior members on a product. But tons of these so called WSO's are actually made for the WSO section only. They are not special discounted offers at all.

    While this is not a absolute test. Before I bought anything from the WSO section I would ask the seller to link me to where they sell there product normally. If they dont sell it in some other venue normally and are just giving a special price on an existing / established product here then that would show me that this is a made for WSO product. This to me would be a big indication that its probably not a good product to buy. On the other hand if I see that they are an established product, selling somewhere else, and are in fact doing what a WSO is suppose to do and giving a discount for Warrior forum members then that would go a long way for there creditability to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    This is one reason why i tend to stay away from purchasing WSO's. Seems like alot of WSO's are created by scraping information from Google and pasting them into a MS Word file. The last WSO i purchased was long... and full of nothing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    Apart from software related material I don't really purchase wso's because trying to find a good one is like finding a needle in a haystack.
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  • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
    Originally Posted by kos818 View Post


    So what are your thoughts about that? I am really thinking about abandoning the Warriorforum. It was a great resource back in the days, but with WSOs like "make 4-figures in 2 hours from WSOs!" (should read "make 4-figures in 2 hours while fooling your fellow marketers with useless WSOs a 5 year old might do better").

    Cheers,
    Sven
    My first thought was why are you considering abandoning the Warrior Forum because the WSO section isn't what it used to be? Is the WSO section your main focal point of the forum?

    Personally, I have purchased 3 WSOs in all of my years of being here with one being the very best purchase I ever made regarding my business here or anywhere and the other two were Okay. Not bad, but okay because most of what was on the inside were things I happened to know already. But the few things that weren't, were excellent advice, counseling, sharing a technique, whatever you want to call it.

    Other than that everything I know regarding all of the aspects I utilize in IM, I learned right here by reading the forum and from friends that I have made here, for free. I don't consider the forum as my one-stop-shop for Internet Marketing, I consider it my neighborhood in a community of like minded people. I have made friends and built relationships and am all too happy to promote one of them for business when the opportunity arises and have also helped other Warriors with some questions and work too. That's what neighbors do.

    I really don't want to see you leave the forum because some WSOs left a bad taste in your mouth even though I don't know you. This forum is my favorite forum and the best on the web for IM, in my opinion.

    Could you shift your focus to the wonderful people here and to helping someone who may need it in your areas of expertise and stay awhile?

    By the way, it's nice to make your acquaintance.

    Terra
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  • Profile picture of the author Noel2010
    Some valid points here and I agree with some of the OP's comments.

    I have purchased a few WSO's and don't remember asking for a refund or leaving a negative comment.

    But what makes me mad is all these OTO's. I say, put everything together and charge more. But that shows how much I know about IM, right?

    Then when I get on their list, before I can digest the info, here comes a email about the best and only offer I will ever need from a good friend who they twisted their arms to get this special deal. What happen to your program?

    "Opportunity seekers have no one to blame but themselves unfortunately. 99% of all WSO's are NOT crap. 99% of the WSO's YOU decided to purchase were crap. Either stop buying them or do better research before buying and stop buying anything that looks too good to be true."

    I agree it's not 99% but not far off. How do I know it's crap until I purchase it?
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    If you are at all worried of the quality of a wso before you buy you have 2 options

    a. don't buy it

    or

    b. check out his or her wf profile, see what else they have online, wha other wso's do they sell, do they have good reviews? are they easily findable or do they just hide behind a computer?, see what other products they are selling elsewhere, were they good? google their name and see what others say about them, you have a vast amount of resources at your finger tips so consider all these before clicking buy

    if you are going to part with your hard earned cash do yourself a favour and do some of those things above

    there are some absolutely killer products in the wso section which would make a massive positive impact on your business

    at the same time there are unfortunately some wso's that are pretty bad

    if you are ever at all worried then just do some of those things above before you buy and you will be far better off

    Paul
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingva
    I think it's unfair to assume that moderators delete negative reviews just because your review was deleted. My negative reviews remain on the threads where they were placed. None of my negative reviews have been removed and I've seen many others. I've also purchased some Kindle WSOs recently that were fantastic and included marketing techniques I've seen no where else.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    The WSO forum is a marketplace. Just like newspaper classifieds, online dating sites, etc.

    A very small % of the ads are going to be a good fit for any one person. You have to go into it knowing what you're looking for and filter out those ads. Even then, any buying decision is up to you so it's on you to make the most informed decision possible.

    You shouldn't condemn the marketplace as a whole when each ad stands on it's own. The WSO section is just a meeting place for buyers and sellers.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    Perhaps it is a sales letter issue and not a product issue.

    Sure, some products are crap. But, for the most part, there is at least one nugget I can take out of any product. And for $7-10, that's worth it.

    In fact, I bought WSOs for $9-$11 that completely blew me away and changed my entire business.

    If you are looking for push button riches and overnight success, you are going to be disappointed every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by kos818 View Post

    but I really don't get it why there is so much praise for something not worth my time reading through it. IF something gets awarded WSO of the Day it should at least deliver some value, right?
    I have noticed that often the products that get the most positive reviews are the ones that are sold specifically to appeal to what I think of as "super noobs" ie the type of person who has ZERO success in making money online. This is the type of person who will buy 40,000 spam backlinks on Fiverr and leave a glowing review because they think that this will be the answer to all their SEO needs.

    Originally Posted by kos818 View Post

    2nd thing is that IMHO there should be a mandatory refund policy. At least for info-products. Introducing another feature where an author can mark someone as a refunder would get rid of the cheap skates that do serial refunds in no time.
    Not sure if I agree with a mandatory refund policy or not. I think a mandatory refund policy might actually create more of the unwanted "serial refunders" which could do more harm than good.

    Also, the ability to craft an attractive refund policy is another way for WSO creators to stand out. If they all had the same mandatory policy, then that would limit competition.

    As for being able to label serial refunders, people would just get around the label by creating a new account to buy a new WSO. You'd have to prevent that from happening for the system to be effective.

    Originally Posted by kos818 View Post

    I guess most WSO creators spend more time and money on their sales copy then on their products.
    This is definitely the case for many products. There are actually WSO's that teach "how to create a WSO in 2 hours" and the WSO itself that is teaching this method was also created in 2 hours. You can just tell by the quality of these sorts of things that they were written as what I call "trash content" that is just meant to fill up space. The best tell-tale sign of this is that they speak in generalities and rarely share super-valuable specific tips or techniques on how to accomplish something.

    Originally Posted by kos818 View Post

    I am really thinking about abandoning the Warriorforum. It was a great resource back in the days, but with WSOs like "make 4-figures in 2 hours from WSOs!" (should read "make 4-figures in 2 hours while fooling your fellow marketers with useless WSOs a 5 year old might do better").
    In the IM community, it's pretty safe to just assume that every sales page is at least 90% hype, and that believing otherwise requires a burden of proof on the product creator.

    And by "proof" I mean more than doctored screenshots.
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    • Profile picture of the author kos818
      Good morning together, sorry for not following up, but as you might have seen from my avatar I am located in the PR China (location isn't true anymore, as we moved a thousand miles east [closer to Shanghai]). Therefore I have had a rest on 3.30AM after a nice chat with a new CPA network.

      My conclusion before I have to abandon "my" post (I do not only own a small business in Germany but am also vize president of Chinese company <-- was sick of working from home, might happen after a decade):
      1. There is still a huge potential here ;-) I love controversial discussions for sure.
      2. I might have "generalized" a a bit to much. As menioned a couple of times, no pun and offense to anyone intended. But without doing so chances are that there won't be a single response right now.
      3. I might stay on WF. Reason why I might abandon the WSO section (for now) is that I have fulfilled my need for education. My problem is time. I rather pay for someone to do the work of putting all information into one PDF (don't mind about the size as long as it delivers [kind of subjective, but hey, I'm human too]), but for now I feel like I can give it a start. And no, I don't expect the keys to the kingdom for the price of a burger. Never did.
        Also WF is one of the only places where I could ask for feedback or advise. I have no IM buddies and talking to my Chinese friends or even colleague about it won't make any sense either (they have popular chat programms here nobody back home ever heard about).
      So thanks for participating, Elvis has left the building,
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      Nothing to sell...
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