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List Building help!!

by gdkearney
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I have just starting getting subscribers to my squeeze page (IM Niche)and I have 2 freebies that I send to my subscribers. My question is what type of products should I send to them to make money. The freebies are based on list building and Ive been looking @ clickbank and rapbank But I cant seem to find anything to send them. Also how often do you send your list affiliate offers? How will I know when my list is burnt out or when is it a good time to start a new list?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by gdkearney View Post

    The freebies are based on list building
    "I need help with my list-building. By the way, I'm in the list-building niche".

    Do you see the problem, here?

    It's explained in rather more detail in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ing-wrong.html

    Originally Posted by gdkearney View Post

    Ive been looking @ clickbank
    You're perhaps entirely unaware of the major problem referred to here, then? http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8210933

    In addition to which, if the reports you're giving away are in "the list-building niche", then the products you promote need to be in "the list-building niche" as well. Don't, whatever you do, imagine that "all IM products and all MMO products are one niche" - that would be a big mistake.

    Respectfully (and I do mean "respectfully": am not just saying it to be polite) the fact that you're unaware of these tricks and traps neatly illustrates why you're in the wrong niche.

    Originally Posted by gdkearney View Post

    How will I know when my list is burnt out

    If     you start off by understanding the fundamentals of list-building, your list will never be burned out, it will be a healthy, vibrant, organic, regenerating thing of beauty and delight.

    Here are a few more posts/threads which may help you (and that's understating it) ...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5300985

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7647187 (ignore the title: read the post, it discusses something that determines your income!)

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7939758

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ink-about.html
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    • Profile picture of the author gdkearney
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      "I need help with my list-building. By the way, I'm in the list-building niche".

      Do you see the problem, here?

      It's explained in rather more detail in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ing-wrong.html



      You're perhaps entirely unaware of the major problem referred to here, then? http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8210933

      In addition to which, if the reports you're giving away are in "the list-building niche", then the products you promote need to be in "the list-building niche" as well. Don't, whatever you do, imagine that "all IM products and all MMO products are one niche" - that would be a big mistake.

      Respectfully (and I do mean "respectfully": am not just saying it to be polite) the fact that you're unaware of these tricks and traps neatly illustrates why you're in the wrong niche.



      If you start off by understanding the fundamentals of list-building, your list will never be burned out, it will be a healthy, vibrant, organic, regenerating thing of beauty and delight.

      Here are a few more posts/threads which may help you (and that's understating it) ...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5300985

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7647187 (ignore the title: read the post, it discusses something that determines your income!)

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7939758

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ink-about.html

      I know how to build a list i can get targeted people to a squeeze page and have them opt in. My problem is more of the how do i promote products to the list. I dont know where to get any good products
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by gdkearney View Post

        i can get targeted people to a squeeze page and have them opt in.
        Understood ... but that isn't what list-building is all about, is it? It's more about having the products and continuity-process needed to promote them with a trust-based method worked out before you get started, so that you can set subscriber expectations accordingly. The money depends on that.

        I wouldn't be able to write the "free report" for the opt-in without knowing what the products are going to be before I started. I wouldn't be able to come up with anything that would ensure a high open-rate and attention-rate.

        I wouldn't be able to have a targeted, responsive list, that way, at all. I'd be wasting my time.

        Originally Posted by gdkearney View Post

        I know how to build a list
        Ok ... I'll leave you to it, then. Good luck. (If you do encounter great difficulties and have an ultra-low open-rate and no sales, you can always come back to the threads listed above, if you want).
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by gdkearney View Post

        I know how to build a list i can get targeted people to a squeeze page and have them opt in. My problem is more of the how do i promote products to the list. I dont know where to get any good products
        In reality, from what you've posted here, it seems that you know how to get people to trade their email for your freebie. If that's how you define "list building", then indeed you already know it.

        You picked a niche, built a squeeze page and started driving traffic before you had any clue about what you wanted to do beyond some vague notion of 'promoting stuff'. You aren't the first one to put the cart in front of the horse. Heck, you aren't even the first one today.

        If you truly can't find anything appropriate on either Clickbank or RAPbank, you might try here:

        Affiliate Program Directory*

        You might also want to ask your new list members what their specific challenges are, then seek a product that allows them to beat those challenges.

        Or you could do what many so-called marketers do. Start throwing mud at the wall and see what sticks. If you take this approach, though, you'd better be darn good at getting people to opt-in, because you'll burn out a list quickly using churn and burn tactics.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        "I need help with my list-building. By the way, I'm in the list-building niche".

        Do you see the problem, here?

        It's explained in rather more detail in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ing-wrong.html



        You're perhaps entirely unaware of the major problem referred to here, then? http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8210933

        In addition to which, if the reports you're giving away are in "the list-building niche", then the products you promote need to be in "the list-building niche" as well. Don't, whatever you do, imagine that "all IM products and all MMO products are one niche" - that would be a big mistake.

        Respectfully (and I do mean "respectfully": am not just saying it to be polite) the fact that you're unaware of these tricks and traps neatly illustrates why you're in the wrong niche.



        If you start off by understanding the fundamentals of list-building, your list will never be burned out, it will be a healthy, vibrant, organic, regenerating thing of beauty and delight.

        Here are a few more posts/threads which may help you (and that's understating it) ...

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5300985

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7647187 (ignore the title: read the post, it discusses something that determines your income!)

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7939758

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ink-about.html
        I feel you are wasting your time. The OP won't get why it's a problem that he's building a list in the list building niche despite not knowing how to build a list because he took "the money is in the list" literally AGAIN like a thousands other people on this board who read that sentence and thought 'building a list' meant buying an autoresponder sequence and adding emails to it = instant profit. :rolleyes:

        Originally Posted by Jack Samatha View Post

        Its always best to first have a great squeeze page, and then give away a free product so they'll want to optin. Hope that helps
        Shut up.

        It's never best to do that and it is what he's already doing and he's already failed miserably.

        Originally Posted by gdkearney View Post

        I know how to build a list i can get targeted people to a squeeze page and have them opt in. My problem is more of the how do i promote products to the list. I dont know where to get any good products
        Anyone can drive junk traffic to squeeze pages then bribe them for an (often fake or rarely checked) email address. That's the easy part.

        The hard part is what to do with them next.

        If you aren't at the stage where you are even able to find products then do your subscribers a favour and delete your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by gdkearney View Post

    My question is what type of products should I send to them to make money.

    GD,

    The very premise of what Internet Marketers do suggests that you are providing help/information/guidance/assistance/authority in the niche(s) that you build lists and sell (or refer) products.

    You are helping others solve their problems, ease their pains, save time or money, or in some way make their lives better.

    As Alexa so eloquently and patiently pointed out (since these types of posts appear daily on this forum) those who are brand new to the IM business and its related sub-niches are typically not prepared to provide guidance and help to prospects until they themselves have some experience and knowledge in the niche.

    Of course you are free to do as you please; but I would suggest you pick a different niche to begin your IM career - one that you have some knowledge in, or experience with, or passion for so that you can give honest and expert advice to your list subscribers.

    From the prospect's perspective, would you ask for advice or guidance or help in the list building niche if you knew that the list owner was asking strangers in a forum "I need help with my list-building"?

    Good luck to you,

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  • Profile picture of the author rockong
    Ensure that your products aren't TOO broad.

    One of my favorite things to do is to break the email list into smaller segments. Say if it is within internet marketing, then do affiliate, CPA, PPD, etc.

    Then, it'll be much easier to find products to promote to that particular segment.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Jack Samatha View Post

    Its always best to first have a great squeeze page, and then give away a free product so they'll want to optin.
    That's exactly what the OP is doing, Jack. Did you read the thread, at all? Sometimes it helps to read at least the first post, before replying ... or at least the first sentence, in which he explains that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    When I build a list, I generally plan on offering them products
    specifically related to the niche/product that got them to join
    the list... since I know that that interest was strong enough to
    entice them to give up their email address.

    I NEVER clump my subscribers into one large list, although
    in some of my autoresponder sequences, I do ask them to
    join my general internet marketing list.

    I also NEVER assume that they are going to burn out. I personally
    don't usually expect them to buy from me right away, and often
    don't hit them with an offer right away... realizing that if I do
    a certain percentage will buy.

    I prefer the slower, long-term approach, rather than the
    churn-n-burn... although some people do VERY well using that
    model.

    As far as what products to offer them... the WSO section is
    a good place to start. Warrior+ and JVZoo both provide stats
    on how well a given product is selling. I'm sure other platforms
    do to... but I'd begin there. Look for products related to your
    tightly focused niche that are selling well, get a copy of the
    product and actually go through it, and if it lives up to the promises
    made, consider promoting it.

    When I look at the stats provided for WSO's, I also look at
    EPC's, and refund rates is very important to me. Not only does
    that show that the product displeased a lot of customer (or
    attracted a lot of serial refunders), it also screws with your history
    at Paypal... and could attract undue attention there.

    Willie
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    Your priority is to sell your own products, it' far more profitable and a far better use of your time

    promoting affiliate offers is just an extra way of making a bit of extra income now and again, you should not be looking at promoting affiliate offers as a your main way of making money from your list

    this is why so many list builders burn their list out because they just promote offer after offer until the list is burned out

    i'm afraid this is the average mentality of most list builders

    even if you only have 1 product that you own then sell that, at least then you will be building your buyers list

    then while you are doing this you can begin creating your next product for the buyers of your first product, (and it continues like this)

    i personally only ever do promotions to my list when i find something which i think my subs and customers would really benefit from which is only a couple of times per month sometimes less

    start planning and mapping out your sales funnel now so that you know exactly what to do and what you should be working on rather than just keep looking for the next product to promote

    when it comes to list building it's all about your funnel
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisDouthit
    That seems so often that is how things go in the IM niche, the blind leading the blind. That is why so many people complain that there is so much garbage in the IM niche. The people who don't know what they are doing are teach others how to do it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    What if you were to switch up your approach at branding? You clearly don't know about list building, and that is ok
    Why not be honest and brand yourself as a marketers who has recently begun building my list. I am now seeing results and thought I would share them with you along the way. When I find something that works you will be the first to know.

    ***Careful here as you will need to actually promote things that work! Not as hard as it sounds even if you don't have proof yourself. This is a whole different story. Hope that helps.
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