Does design indicate your success?

by detooth 11 replies
Hey Warriors,

First, wow...the new forum is awesome. Good job Allen and the Warrior team. Good job to the community for making this so worthwhile. I dont have many posts but I have been here for 3 years. So much good stuff.

Anyway, to the question at hand. Does design indicate your success?

Im asking because I have seen so many ads that claim that the site owner made 1, 10, 100 million dollars online yet the site looks awful. Not strategically awful but simply low budget, dit awful.

As a designer, I am a bit of a design snob, I'll admit to that but if I made 1 million dollars selling something, I would surely hire somebody to at least make my site look strategically bad.

So, seeing so many of these awful looking sites, I guess my real question is, are there really this many scammers out there in the IM community?
#main internet marketing discussion forum #design #success
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  • Profile picture of the author jhongren
    i think in the world there are always two sides of the coin.

    But it should not deter us from making the right judgement and buying sensibly. it could be through referral from people of authority or crebility in the field.

    now internet makes the finding so easy. just google the product name and add in the world "review". most likely you are able to read some past customers' feedbacks. =)

    Cheers,
    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
      Top marketers can sell without 1 single graphic!

      Anyhoo, Detooth, I remember you from a while back when your site was red. Now THAT was a cool design

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    • Profile picture of the author jpuppy
      example: craigslist (Very Successful), Personally I've never liked the "look" of the site but it does what it's suppose to do and does it very well.

      Judging the success level of a IM'er or how good the content or usability of a site may or may not be based solely off of the design is not a good practice.
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      • Profile picture of the author zerofill
        Hah...someone have Eban Pagens dating site opt in page handy to show the OP?
        The one that is like a table with 100 words in it hehe.

        I am a knowledge freak...so if you can pack killer info into a shitty design...and you aren't selling site designs lol...I may be interested.

        But what really is the basis of that I would believe is the niche you are in.

        I think someone looking for a medical product might rather read a dull looking site that is like a whitepaper on the product. Where a person buying scripts, or templates, etc is obviously probably going to turn away from a crappy looking site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          yes, to me content is far more important than design. Having said that, I think a site that is well laid out, is readable, and easy to navigate AND has quality content is the kind of site I enjoy the most.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jelasco
            So if your site isn't pretty enough, that means you're a scammer? Interesting leap of logic.

            Could you point me to some of the sites claiming the owner made 100 million online? I don't think I've seen one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Takuya Hikichi
    Originally Posted by detooth View Post


    Anyway, to the question at hand. Does design indicate your success?

    Im asking because I have seen so many ads that claim that the site owner made 1, 10, 100 million dollars online yet the site looks awful. Not strategically awful but simply low budget, dit awful.

    As a designer, I am a bit of a design snob, I'll admit to that but if I made 1 million dollars selling something, I would surely hire somebody to at least make my site look strategically bad.

    So, seeing so many of these awful looking sites, I guess my real question is, are there really this many scammers out there in the IM community?
    It sounds to me you just can't accept people having design that looks less than perfect to you.

    You're seeing things from your own perspective and assuming if a site looks bad to you, it must also "look strategically bad' in others' eyes.

    And I don't see your argument in correlating a site having a "bad looking design" (from your perspective) and a possible scammer behind it.

    It sounds to me you just can't believe the stuff some people are telling you. The issue is not the design as you claim, but it's the trust level you have about those people you're quoting.

    Just to bring up another perspective, what if others think when YOU design something, they think your site looks "strategically bad"? They might be thinking about your site this way, just like when you think of someone else's websites in the way you described.
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  • Profile picture of the author LABuroker
    I'm not sure how it works for selling products, but my highest CTR pages with Adsense were always the very plain (some might say ugly, sniffle) ones. The less junk on a page distracting the visitor, the more likely they are to see the ad.

    I think all those one-page long sales letters out there are hideous, but they're obviously making money for some.
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    • Profile picture of the author jensrsa
      A successful site is one that gives the visitor what they want and converts. I've found that web designers and web site owners are much more concerned about looks that the average visitor and client.

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      • Profile picture of the author graphicsgenie
        Originally Posted by detooth View Post

        Hey Warriors,

        First, wow...the new forum is awesome. Good job Allen and the Warrior team. Good job to the community for making this so worthwhile. I dont have many posts but I have been here for 3 years. So much good stuff.

        Anyway, to the question at hand. Does design indicate your success?

        Im asking because I have seen so many ads that claim that the site owner made 1, 10, 100 million dollars online yet the site looks awful. Not strategically awful but simply low budget, dit awful.

        As a designer, I am a bit of a design snob, I'll admit to that but if I made 1 million dollars selling something, I would surely hire somebody to at least make my site look strategically bad.

        So, seeing so many of these awful looking sites, I guess my real question is, are there really this many scammers out there in the IM community?
        One persons badly designed site is not anothers, for instance, If I was a designer ;o) then I wouldnt be making the OP statement while having that site in my signature

        Sometimes you have to be impartial and not let your own preconceptions cloud your judgement.

        Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author DrupalShark
        I don't understand why someone already making a decent income online with a terrible or even average looking website wouldn't invest a little of that back into the design. Certainly content wins out, but an unpleasant/cheap looking design surely makes a significant negative impact on many visitors. Design is more than pretty pictures - in fact it might not involve any pictures at all, and a good design will not take any attention away from the content but instead focus attention toward it.

        Running a poorly designed website is like turning up for a job interview in a t-shirt and sweat pants instead of a professional, sharp looking attire - you could be the top in your field and there's still companies who wouldn't hire you. And while it'd be nice if the content or "what's on the inside" were enough, I've often found that whether or not something *should* make a difference is irrelevant to whether or not it does.

        I judge people by their appearance, websites by their appearance, and all sorts of things by their appearance - and lots of other people do, too, whether consciously or unconsciously.
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