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I wonder if anyone can help me out here...I have what I believe...and have been told is a good product in multi format...about how to sell on eBay!

Now I haven't myself sold on eBay in quite a while...my roadblock problem is thats been causing me to freeze on progress is I cannot prove my content will create success for anyone even though I know it can..because like I said I cannot prove my own success on the platform..and only have great testimonials from IM colleagues!

Chicken and egg situation...and because I am ethical I refuse to lie about my success because I have none of late...is there a way to solve this problem it's making me brain-freeze and procrastinate big-time...heres the link to the sales page so far...

http://newbiesauctionprofits.com/ebay_offer/index.html

Cheers Guys John.
PS the sales page is actually an eBay template...then I can edit it into a normal sales page later for the Internet in general.
#ebay product #issue #proof
  • Profile picture of the author MelanieandMiles
    Keep it simple! Roll up your sleeves, get to work becoming successful on ebay.

    You'll surely learn a few new tips and tricks and that'll be great bonus content.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    If you are concerned about not having done the method recently, there is a simple fix.

    Go sell some stuff on ebay again, to prove to yourself the value of what you are teaching.
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    • Profile picture of the author John_Edwards
      Thanks guys...

      I was trying to move away from selling on the platform myself...however I realize I can't SO I'll just have to do that!
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    What worries me is - how do you KNOW your content can create success for someone if you haven't tried it? Ebay, like the whole internet, is constantly changing. What worked when you used to use Ebay might not work now.

    You need to show current screenshots and current listings to gain credibility, surely.
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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by rosetrees View Post

      What worries me is - how do you KNOW your content can create success for someone if you haven't tried it? Ebay, like the whole internet, is constantly changing. What worked when you used to use Ebay might not work now.

      You need to show current screenshots and current listings to gain credibility, surely.

      If I read correctly, this is based on what he has done before although not currently.

      Proof Screenshots can be very deceptive. They can also be faked.

      These days, we have to be very careful with screenshots. If his screenshot implies that the customers could duplicate those specific results, then he could get himself in trouble with the FTC very quickly.
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      • Profile picture of the author John_Edwards
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        If I read correctly, this is based on what he has done before although not currently.

        Proof Screenshots can be very deceptive. They can also be faked.

        These days, we have to be very careful with screenshots. If his screenshot implies that the customers could duplicate those specific results, then he could get himself in trouble with the FTC very quickly.
        Totally agree with what you just said, and thats something very distasteful to me and you are building a business on an house of cards that way...but I also don't mind the concern about genuine proof...I will just have to go back to the roots of selling on eBay...to gain personal success again a
        s proof!
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by John_Edwards View Post

          I will just have to go back to the roots of selling on eBay...to gain personal success again a
          s proof!

          Personal success and absolute confidence in your technique will be all you really need to be successful with this product.

          When your confidence is unshakable, it comes across in your product and your sales copy.

          When people sense your level of confidence, fewer people will be asking for proof of your method.
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        • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
          Originally Posted by John_Edwards View Post

          Totally agree with what you just said, and thats something very distasteful to me and you are building a business on an house of cards that way...but I also don't mind the concern about genuine proof...I will just have to go back to the roots of selling on eBay...to gain personal success again as proof!
          It's more than proof. If your product is a tutorial type product, purchasers will contact you with questions. You will need to provide answers - and it's very possible that some of those questions will relate to the current listings that your purchasers will assume that you have.
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    • Profile picture of the author John_Edwards
      It's just a case of a lot of the content is niche research and what type of products do sell...I haven't sold on eBay for a while because..I took all this time out to learn product creation and Internet marketing in general...creating the eBay product.

      But then realized I couldn't provide recent proof...hence this thread! As a matter of fact I started this thread because I don't want to be unethical I refuse to be like that SO I have my thoughts confirmed to start selling again on eBay to build up my brand on a new account before I proceed with the product on how to do so...if that makes sense...but you are right to question that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thriftypreneur
    Originally Posted by John_Edwards View Post

    I cannot prove my content will create success for anyone even though I know it can..because like I said I cannot prove my own success on the platform
    This usually doesn't stop the majority of WSOs from going to market.

    Even though other people advertise, "Follow my method to make millions! (even though I've never done it!)." Don't be one of those guys.

    Do the work, earn the results and validate your method before selling it to anyone else. Anything else is simply a scam in my book.
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    • Profile picture of the author John_Edwards
      Originally Posted by Thriftypreneur View Post

      This usually doesn't stop the majority of WSOs from going to market.

      Even though other people advertise, "Follow my method to make millions! (even though I've never done it!)." Don't be one of those guys.

      Do the work, earn the results and validate your method before selling it to anyone else. Anything else is simply a scam in my book.
      Exactly I agree...that's something I wouldn't do and it's not a matter of opinion...the fact is you're either ethical OR you're not...I will be...I simply know the content is great however I thought at a later stage *hang on you can't currently provide proof*..hence this thread...it's a major set back but a fair one!
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  • Profile picture of the author PaidAllDay
    Hey John,

    I don't think it's really a chicken or egg issue and I know some people will suggest going around the issue in some way but that's a slippery slope. If you want to create a product about how to make money you really have to go out and do it yourself.

    It's best to create the product while you are actually in the game as you will have the most hands on advice and won't have any problems answering questions.

    I've heard people on here advise others that if you don't have proof of income in IM for example you can go out and do SEO. I'm sure there are people doing that too.

    The problem is, people are investing in you and you want to give them something that they can actually get a return on. When you're first starting out that is crucial because you have to build a following to get any traction. If your following is built on a house of cards well... we all know what happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author John_Edwards
    Yip...my thoughts too...
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  • Profile picture of the author darty180
    test it your self then get friends to test it to see if it works ok
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Rodill
    The solution to your problem is simple, but its not emotionally a fun experience. It's the typical start up conundrum. It's like going through the teething stage.

    You can't get proof until you sell things, and you can't sell things until you get proof. Except, wait, you can sell things, your results just won't be as amazing.

    That's just a give. I call it the Results Gap. You read a book on marketing that says, "Use testimonials! They'll shoot your conversion rate through the roof!"

    Yes, yes they will. Problem is not having any testimonals, so you say, "Well, I can't POSSIBLY use that strategy."

    Well, how do you get testimonials in the first place? You have to sell your product! And borrow the "proof of concept" from other people who already proved it.

    If you have proof from your colleagues, that's great. Use it. There's no reason not to use it in a million years.

    And definitely never lie about your numbers. Not only is it going to make you feel sick to your stomach and block any future success, even if it works...

    Not only are you going to feel like crap about it, but people will have a feeling about it and it will carry over into how they react to you.

    Most people can't fake this type of stuff very well unless they're total sociopaths, and most of us aren't that type of person.

    We want to feel good about what we do and how we do it. Just go through your growing pains stage like every other start up.

    It will be a source of pride for you in the future, even if it doesn't pan out. Because you didn't succumb to schemes and trickery.

    You'll be able to look back on this as that period of time when you were first starting out and be able to relate to others who are starting out on their own.

    Plus, if the FTC ever comes knocking, should you experience wild success, you won't be up at night wondering if you covered your tracks well enough.

    They still might "get you" on a technicality, hell you can't avoid that. The laws are written so wide open they can pretty much do whatever they want.

    But be legit. Be real and honest and truthful and you'll sleep better at night, and be far more protected than if you just made it all up.

    Go out there and sell using your raw enthusiasm and belief in your product, and you WILL get orders. Then ask for feedback in earnest, and soon you will have it.

    It won't take long.

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    • Profile picture of the author John_Edwards
      Originally Posted by Marc Rodill View Post

      The solution to your problem is simple, but its not emotionally a fun experience. It's the typical start up conundrum. It's like going through the teething stage.

      You can't get proof until you sell things, and you can't sell things until you get proof. Except, wait, you can sell things, your results just won't be as amazing.

      That's just a give. I call it the Results Gap. You read a book on marketing that says, "Use testimonials! They'll shoot your conversion rate through the roof!"

      Yes, yes they will. Problem is not having any testimonials, so you say, "Well, I can't POSSIBLY use that strategy."

      Well, how do you get testimonials in the first place? You have to sell your product! And borrow the "proof of concept" from other people who already proved it.

      If you have proof from your colleagues, that's great. Use it. There's no reason not to use it in a million years.

      And definitely never lie about your numbers. Not only is it going to make you feel sick to your stomach and block any future success, even if it works...

      Not only are you going to feel like crap about it, but people will have a feeling about it and it will carry over into how they react to you.

      Most people can't fake this type of stuff very well unless they're total sociopaths, and most of us aren't that type of person.

      We want to feel good about what we do and how we do it. Just go through your growing pains stage like every other start up.

      It will be a source of pride for you in the future, even if it doesn't pan out. Because you didn't succumb to schemes and trickery.

      You'll be able to look back on this as that period of time when you were first starting out and be able to relate to others who are starting out on their own.

      Plus, if the FTC ever comes knocking, should you experience wild success, you won't be up at night wondering if you covered your tracks well enough.

      They still might "get you" on a technicality, hell you can't avoid that. The laws are written so wide open they can pretty much do whatever they want.

      But be legit. Be real and honest and truthful and you'll sleep better at night, and be far more protected than if you just made it all up.

      Go out there and sell using your raw enthusiasm and belief in your product, and you WILL get orders. Then ask for feedback in earnest, and soon you will have it.

      It won't take long.

      Marc
      Hey dude you are right...I've kinda known this all along...but because I know the contents good, I just put the blinkers on and thought *hey it will sell it is a good product*...however it has NEVER been my intention to lie about my personal success on eBay...I had minimal success in the past but NOT of late.

      I truly had the intention of created a great product for anyone wanted to get started from some personal experience combined with what I have been taught by a coach years ago...so in a minimal way ethical...it's just that I should have approached eBay personally again first for* proof*...and that was the birth of this thread...cheers Marc you have been monumental in your advice...it's picked me up...ALL last night I just brain froze!

      I have one question...do you then think...as long as I don't lie when questioned which I never would have done...it's OK to just try and sell this product on eBay to build the sales success and proof on THIS PRODUCTS sales...I already have 4 testimonials from experienced marketers who have actually reviewed the product...and on the listing template you will notice I have not lied in the slightest about me and who I am...I have just simply explained the product....please reply and tell me what you think after viewing the template...BTW I have also made NO income claims that weren't true but I can't prove them because they where quite a while ago... http://newbiesauctionprofits.com/ebay_offer/index.html

      Cheers Marc....John.
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      • Profile picture of the author John_Edwards
        OK...guys update...I'm setting up a portfolio of information products that will sell in *physical format*...in a bid to gain success on my new ID brand on eBay starting to set it all up today....wish me luck never sold in this niche before...exciting times me thinks

        BTW...These particular product are not my creation but good quality and proven sellers for another eBay seller who runs a $1000 to $2000 a month eBay business himself..SO a similar success WILL provide the proof!

        As you can see I am passionate about selling on eBay just a little rusty and out of practice...onwards and upwards...thanks for ALL your help guys...John.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Originally Posted by John_Edwards View Post

    I wonder if anyone can help me out here...I have what I believe...and have been told is a good product in multi format...about how to sell on eBay!

    Now I haven't myself sold on eBay in quite a while
    In my opinion no one should be promoting ANYTHING that they have not used themselves. Otherwise your entire sales page is just speculation, guessing, and hype. Basically everything that brings a bad name to the honest IM business.

    Use it and see if it works. If it does promote it (and you will have your proof as well)
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    • Profile picture of the author John_Edwards
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      In my opinion no one should be promoting ANYTHING that they have not used themselves. Otherwise your entire sales page is just speculation, guessing, and hype. Basically everything that brings a bad name to the honest IM business.

      Use it and see if it works. If it does promote it (and you will have your proof as well)
      Thats my thoughts...exactly my friend I didn't want to come across as a scammer...because I'm not...otherwise I wouldn't have started this thread...I would have just gone for it...win or lose!

      I really want to help people too...we all know what it's like getting started!
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Yea thats the way to go. Use it, if you like it then promote it. I do that with products I promote to my lists. I only promote products I have tried and have liked. People who know me also know that I tend to be opinionated, cynical, detail oriented and have little patience for BS. Well my list knows it at least. So when I promote a product to them they know two things 1) That I have used it, and 2) If it impresses me it must be very cool (because only very cool products are good enough to impress me). These two things lead to very good conversion rates.

    PS) I had a look at your sales page. I like how you dont make $ claims. I hate sales pages that do that. (Make $5000 in 20 seconds while sitting on the toilet every morning)
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