Doing Internet Marketing for free?

11 years ago

This is great for someone who has no money or bank account, which are alot of people around the world. But using a Domain and paid hosting has it's benefits. With free sites, you have no control over it, it can be taken away without notice.

You are right, you don't need money to make money, and this is a great example, but hosting your sites on free hosting comes with the risk of having it taken from under you, thus taking your earnings with it.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

You are right but how long has blogspot been around. Yes google changes constantly though.

Once you have the knowledge though, If it is taken away can you not take it back another way. I could lose everything today and be back in a few months cause I have the knowledge. Hey I'm doing that now. I gave up Im six months ago and making a comeback.

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

This is great for someone who has no money or bank account, which are alot of people around the world. But using a Domain and paid hosting has it's benefits. With free sites, you have no control over it, it can be taken away without notice.

You are right, you don't need money to make money, and this is a great example, but hosting your sites on free hosting comes with the risk, of having it taken from under you.

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mojojuju

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

This is great for someone who has no money or bank account, which are alot of people around the world. But using a Domain and paid hosting has it's benefits. With free sites, you have no control over it, it can be taken away without notice.

You are right, you don't need money to make money, and this is a great example, but hosting your sites on free hosting comes with the risk of having it taken from under you, thus taking your earnings with it.

All you need to avoid losing your sites is to have your own domain and backups of your sites. As long as you own your domain name and have backups of your sites, you'll never need to worry about losing your sites because a host shuts you down.

Domains go on sale for as low as 99 cents sometimes. During almost any given week, there's a promo code floating around so people can get a domain from one of the big registrars for a few bucks or less.

There's lots of free hosting providers who aren't going to delete your sites unless you're doing something really shady. I have one site that's been running on a free host for 10 years now. I haven't paid a penny for hosting and it's a site that's made me well over a thousand dollars, enough to get a foothold and have some money to progress to better paid hosting.

Hustlinsmoke also mentioned Free Web Hosting with PHP, MySQL and cPanel, No Ads, another free host. I put a site up on their hosting in February 2009 and they haven't taken it down.

I've got countless blogs up all over the place that are still up despite me not paying a penny for them.

On the topic of free hosts, another good one that I've found recently is ServerHub. They're a paid hosting provider offering a free plan, probably in hopes that people will like their service and order a paid plan.

There's lots of good options for the person who has no money to get started. In fact, I think it's a lot easier to get started without any cash now than it was 15 years ago. When I got started, I had to use servers owned by my university which I wasn't exactly authorized to use for commercial purposes. There just weren't a lot of options. Now there's tons of free resources for people just getting started.

Elsewhere, you suggested that a person needs an arbitrary amount of $100 to get started in online business. That's just not true.

I would recommend that anyone get a domain name as a bare minimum. But if a person starting out can't or doesn't think they can afford hosting, I wouldn't sweat it.

If you can't start a business for free online, it probably means you aren't too resourceful. And if you aren't resourceful, you might not do much better with $100 to start with.

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janicej

Banned 11 years ago

Are free hosting plans really worth the effort? Some paid plans are very cheap and at least you know they work. I tried a few free hosts before but they were really frustrating and one of them just deleted my account altogether after a few weeks.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Originally Posted by janicej

Are free hosting plans really worth the effort? Some paid plans are very cheap and at least you know they work. I tried a few free hosts before but they were really frustrating and one of them just deleted my account altogether after a few weeks.

The free hosting is worth it if you have no money. Remember we are talking no money.

Make a sale then get you three months hosting. When I did it I didnt even use a domain name or hosting, I went with blogs, squidoo, hub pages ect. Forum and blog posting.

Some think you just have to have that domain though. And it does give you a presence but I have made money just by using links from ppc. which doesnt even apply here.

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Ben Gordon

11 years ago

As much as you can start for free, I wouldn't recommend it. If you cannot afford to invest at least $100 into your business then I would not suggest you start. Internet marketing should be treated like any other business. Yes, the big advantage of internet marketing over formal businesses is the low start up costs. But there are still some start up costs that you need to cover in order to be successful.

If you're coming to make some spare change and make it through tough financial times then I would recommend not turning to internet marketing. It won't do you any good. Get a job and provide services based on your skills. You're better off doing that.

However if you HAVE money, and want to invest it and become WEALTHY, then I would highly recommend you try internet marketing. It is one of the best, low investment businesses that you can start.

Just my two cents.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Okay all you newbys with no money, quit now. You don't have a 100 bucks so you can't do it.
Don't listen to others, if you want it then it can be yours.

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

As much as you can start for free, I wouldn't recommend it. If you cannot afford to invest at least $100 into your business then I would not suggest you start. Internet marketing should be treated like any other business. Yes, the big advantage of internet marketing over formal businesses is the low start up costs. But there are still some start up costs that you need to cover in order to be successful.

If you're coming to make some spare change and make it through tough financial times then I would recommend not turning to internet marketing. It won't do you any good. Get a job and provide services based on your skills. You're better off doing that.

However if you HAVE money, and want to invest it and become WEALTHY, then I would highly recommend you try internet marketing. It is one of the best, low investment businesses that you can start.

Just my two cents.

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Ben Gordon

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

Okay all you newbys with no money, quit now. You don't have a 100 bucks so you can't do it.
Don't listen to others, if you want it then it can be yours.

You can still get there. It's just gonna be so damn hard. That's why you have people who have not made a penny in their first few years of marketing. Instead they could have provided some cheap services to people and gained start up funds instead of trying to curve around every financial obstacle in their way.

Seriously.. if you can't get $100 to spend on your online business then I don't understand why you're attempting starting a BUSINESS. Business -- and being an entrepreneur -- involves a lot of risk -- especially financial risk.

Everything in this world isn't free folks. Everything comes at a cost.

Your "free" blogger account that you spent hundreds of hours on... could be deleted by Google at any second. And it has happened, take a look at some of the stories on the WF alone.. don't wait until it happens to you.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Lmao, excuses. Yeah delete it. I have a backup and can go elsewhere and put it up.

Once again, Once you have the knowledge you have it, it doesn't go no where.

You don't need a 100, you don't need ten bucks. Just do it. When you start making money start spending money and you will make more.

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

You can still get there. It's just gonna be so damn hard. That's why you have people who have not made a penny in their first few years of marketing. Instead they could have provided some cheap services to people and gained start up funds instead of trying to curve around every financial obstacle in their way.

Seriously.. if you can't get $100 to spend on your online business then I don't understand why you're attempting starting a BUSINESS. Business -- and being an entrepreneur -- involves a lot of risk -- especially financial risk.

Everything in this world isn't free folks. Everything comes at a cost.

Your "free" blogger account that you spent hundreds of hours on... could be deleted by Google at any second. And it has happened, take a look at some of the stories on the WF alone.. don't wait until it happens to you.

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Ben Gordon 11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

Once again, Once you have the knowledge you have it, it doesn't go no where.

Yeah, but what's your knowledge good for if the ad campaign you're certain will get you a great ROI costs $100? Then what? You know exactly what offer to promote, you know exactly what ad to buy, you are certain that it'll make you money... but if you don't have the $100 (just as an example) then you won't ever be able to run that ad. Hence you won't ever be able to make money. That knowledge is there. You have it. It's going nowhere. But unfortunately sir, it's useless.

Yes there are plenty of traffic techniques that are free (such as SEO) but they can be shut down any time. You'll MUCH rather invest in a stable paid traffic source that will make you money years to come.
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hustlinsmoke 11 years ago

lol man that was a canned response. Good way to make your first post man.

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

Re: Doing Internet Marketing for free? Okay all you newbys with no money, quit now. You don't have a 100 bucks so you can't do it.
Don't listen to others, if you want it then it can be yours.

There are thousands maybe even millions of people around the world who just don't have the money, so this would be ideal from them. Can't really tell anybody not to start without any money, when they desperately need to make money.

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Ben Gordon

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

There are thousands maybe even millions of people around the world who just don't have the money, so this would be ideal from them. Can't really tell anybody not to start without any money, when they desperately need to make money.

Why turn to internet marketing though? Why spend hundreds of hours on trying to build up some income when in reality you're likely going to fail or get paid nearly nothing per hour that you've worked for? Why don't you instead go and provide some services online (such as writing articles or creating graphics -- or even some repetitive data entry jobs) and build up your start up cash? Instead of wasting those hundreds of hours trying to avoid every penny you need to spend and wasting your time with free solutions that can shut down your income (if you're lucky to even have one) at any point?

Internet marketing is a business. It works just like a business. It's just hard as a business. It's just as risky as a business. It takes effort, time and money to build.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Why would you even ask that question if you are here.
Internet marketing is like a challenge. Its what we live for.
It's to be the best and to do better each day.
It's to show the world we are boss.
Its a way out of the rat race for some and an outlet for others.

I just don't understand where your coming from.

What you suggest is that not internet marketing, do you not have to market yourself on the internet to do those things.

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

Why turn to internet marketing though? Why spend hundreds of hours on trying to build up some income when in reality you're likely going to fail or get paid nearly nothing per hour that you've worked for? Why don't you instead go and provide some services online (such as writing articles or creating graphics -- or even some repetitive data entry jobs) and build up your start up cash? Instead of wasting those hundreds of hours trying to avoid every penny you need to spend and wasting your time with free solutions that can shut down your income (if you're lucky to even have one) at any point?

Internet marketing is a business. It works just like a business. It's just hard as a business. It's just as risky as a business. It takes effort, time and money to build.

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

Why turn to internet marketing though? Why spend hundreds of hours on trying to build up some income when in reality you're likely going to fail or get paid nearly nothing per hour that you've worked for? Why don't you instead go and provide some services online (such as writing articles or creating graphics -- or even some repetitive data entry jobs) and build up your start up cash? Instead of wasting those hundreds of hours trying to avoid every penny you need to spend and wasting your time with free solutions that can shut down your income (if you're lucky to even have one) at any point?

Internet marketing is a business. It works just like a business. It's just hard as a business. It's just as risky as a business. It takes effort, time and money to build.

I've seen people take out threads saying they quit their job, and are begging warriors for methods on how to make $x.xxx/month online. I don't know why people do these things, but I do know people do dumb shit.

You can walk a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink. People are going to do, what they want to do regardless. I always recommend keeping a job, and having paid hosting and domains, but for the millions around the world who don't, this can get them started.

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Ben Gordon

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

I've seen people take out threads saying they quit their job, and are begging warriors for methods on how to make .xxx/month online. I don't know why people do these things, but I do know people do dumb shit.

You can walk a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink. People are going to do, what they want to do regardless. I always recommend keeping a job, and having paid hosting and domains, but for the millions around the world who don't, this can get them started.

Yeah, and those people tight on income who are really stressed out -- they're never going to make that money... maybe 0.1% of those people will -- but the majority won't.

The truth is the most successful people are those who start businesses with income at their disposable. Those not afraid of sparing some income into investing in their business. Most will actually fail at first. Even a second or third time around. But boy, when you do hit the gold, it'll be well worth it. THAT -- when you have a stable income from your business (and a backup plan) -- is the ONLY time you should quit your job.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

One more time and answer me this time.
Why are you even here?
I never said quit your job lol. Get out of my thread please NOW!

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

Yeah, and those people tight on income who are really stressed out -- they're never going to make that money... maybe 0.1% of those people will -- but the majority won't.

The truth is the most successful people are those who start businesses with income at their disposable. Those not afraid of sparing some income into investing in their business. Most will actually fail at first. Even a second or third time around. But boy, when you do hit the gold, it'll be well worth it. THAT -- when you have a stable income from your business (and a backup plan) -- is the ONLY time you should quit your job.

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Ben Gordon

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

One more time and answer me this time.
Why are you even here?
I never said quit your job lol. Get out of my thread please NOW!

The only real reason I can think of you telling me to leave your thread is because you don't to spare others the bad side of internet marketing. This is how people become over confident and fail. I've seen it happen so many times. Without debates or question, nothing in the world would progress. Just saying..

I notice you've avoided some of my replies and for a good reason... because they are the TRUTH! Anyway, I won't bother proving my point any further, as it is just useless. I'll let the people decide for themselves.

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AJMontoya

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

The only real reason I can think of you telling me to leave your thread is because you don't to spare others the bad side of internet marketing. This is how people become over confident and fail. I've seen it happen so many times. Without debates or question, nothing in the world would progress. Just saying..

I notice you've avoided some of my replies and for a good reason... because they are the TRUTH! Anyway, I won't bother proving my point any further, as it is just useless. I'll let the people decide for themselves.

Completely agree with you. Internet marketing is not something that's easy to succeed at, especially if you're brand new to IM. If it were easy, all of us here would be making millions every year.

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AJMontoya

11 years ago

The only other consideration here is time. Sure you can set up your internet marketing tools without spending money, but it takes time.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Bottom line is this, with or without money you can make money.
You can make money tomorrow on craigslist. Today if your not in my time zone

Anyways, time is important and I had to spend three lousy hours at a library computer in 2011 to prove my point for three months, but I proved it.

And the niche I gave you will never die and money is to be made there. I make money from it now.

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brutecky

11 years ago

I do have one question. How much did you earn after 3 months and how many hours did you put into the project total? Was it 3 hours a day for the three months? Rr 3 hours total?

Ok that was 2 questions .. err actually 4 questions, but Im really wondering the answers.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

350.00 a week on average. I spent at least 3 hours a day each and every day at that damn sorry library. But I did it.
I was going to show another test of what I could do with the money I was earning but sold the forum before I did.
I didn't get rich but I did do it and could of did better if the test would of included me spending money on other stuff to help but it all had to be for free.

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I do have one question. How much did you earn after 3 months and how many hours did you put into the project total? Was it 3 hours a day for the three months? or 3 hours total?

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brutecky

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

350.00 a week on average. I spent at least 3 hours a day each and every day at that damn sorry library. But I did it.
I was going to show another test of what I could do with the money I was earning but sold the forum before I did.
I didn't get rich but I did do it and could of did better if the test would of included me spending money on other stuff to help but it all had to be for free.

$350 per week / 21 hours = $16.60 per hour for your time. Not anything to start bragging about by any means but still respectful and certainly proves that you can start with no money at all. And defiantly enough to be considered a viable income supplement. Good job.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

I would not have cared if I made One dollar a week, just that I could do it.
If I would of let people continually tell others they couldnt without money we would lose alot of great marketers, I need those marketers for networking. They are invaluable to me.

Originally Posted by brutecky

$350 per week / 21 hours = $16.60 per hour for your time. Not anything to start bragging about by any means but still respectful and certainly proves that you can start with no money at all. And defiantly enough to be considered a viable income supplement. Good job.

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brutecky

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

If I would of let people continually tell others they couldnt without money we would lose alot of great marketers, I need those marketers for networking. They are invaluable to me.

Yea I love marketers (especially ones who affiliate for me) I write a software and they make it vanish and make cash appear in its place. Those dudes are magicians!

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

And you never know who the money man will be, we can have 100 affiliates and only a few will make the sales. sometimes I say so and so is here I will make great money and they bring no sales while nobody brings all the sales.

Originally Posted by brutecky

Yea I love marketers (especially ones who affiliate for me) I write a software and they make it vanish and make cash appear in its place. Those dudes are magicians!

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

I can't say it was three hours times 90 days, some days a little less some a little or alot more. Im sure it was more than three hours a day with the forum posting and blog posting. I wasn't concerned with time though just proving a point.

350 a week to some is like luxury when you have nothing.

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

Seriously.. if you can't get $100 to spend on your online business then I don't understand why you're attempting starting a BUSINESS

That's the thing, too many just don't have the money, and who are we to tell them not to try and make money. There is no financial risk, when you have no money.

If they didn't have $100 to invest, my advice would be to look for a real job first, than try to make money online.

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Ben Gordon

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

That's the thing, too many just don't have the money, and who are we to tell them not to try and make money. There is no financial risk, when you have no money.

If they didn't have $100 to invest, my advice would be to look for a real job first, than try to make money online.

EXACTLY. That is what I am getting at. Get a real job, provide some services on your spare time, but build up that small pocket of spare income that you can use toward starting your business.

We're lucky! Internet marketing isn't nearly as expensive to start up as other traditional businesses, but we still need start up funds to start doing it successfully, with peace of mind that our income isn't going to be shattered after the next google update.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Okay here we go again. Get a real job.
Do you know a lot of these people here lost there jobs and have tried to get a real job.
A lot of these people were lucky to lose there jobs and go into IM and make money at it.

I do not know why you are here though, is it to burst everyone's bubble.

To tell them they can't do something, This just makes me want to do it more.

Okay people I had my fill, anyone who needs help with the system contact me, free mentoring for this system to the first ten people.

Heck if I can do it a monkey can do it. I'm not a Genius and I bet you aren't either.

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

EXACTLY. That is what I am getting at. Get a real job, provide some services on your spare time, but build up that small pocket of spare income that you can use toward starting your business.

We're lucky! Internet marketing isn't nearly as expensive to start up as other traditional businesses, but we still need start up funds to start doing it successfully, with peace of mind that our income isn't going to be shattered after the next google update.

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Ben Gordon

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

Okay here we go again. Get a real job.
Do you know a lot of these people here lost there jobs and have tried to get a real job.
A lot of these people were lucky to lose there jobs and go into IM and make money at it.

I do not know why you are here though, is it to burst everyone's bubble.

To tell them they can't do something, This just makes me want to do it more.

Okay people I had my fill, anyone who needs help with the system contact me, free mentoring for this system to the first ten people.

Heck if I can do it a monkey can do it. I'm not a Genius and I bet you aren't either.

I'm telling people NOT to turn to IM if they are in urgent need of income. The only time people should turn to IM is if they're not scared to risk a little bit of money to build a business and perhaps, if things go well, be able to have the luxury of working for themselves in the future.

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brutecky

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

I'm telling people NOT to turn to IM if they are in urgent need of income. The only time people should turn to IM is if they're not scared to risk a little bit of money to build a business and perhaps, if things go well, be able to have the luxury of working for themselves in the future.

Despite me agreeing with the OPs results I will 100% also agree with this. IM is a business, and if your hungry for cash .. I mean like if your litterly hungry as in no food because you have no cash, the last thing you should be doing is starting a business.

PS) This is a good usable post lets not let it degrade into an argument, people can have two different opinions and respect each other for them. Or people can be flaky like me and agree with each opinion some

Either way no need to get personal.

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Ximer

11 years ago

Anyone who says you can't do it for free is simply ignorant. You can do a LOT of marketing, some times FAR better than most while still being free. Now it's highly unlikely many people have the knowledge, time, and skills to carry out a large scale marketing operation on $0, but it is possible.

Some if they don't have the best morals, can do quite a bit, not so legally either, that would be able to make marketing cheap and extremely effective.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

If you follow what I gave you will make money. You work your azz off at it you will make more. I know what the ex back pays. I know what the conversions are. I know its one of the highest in the industry and no one will hurt me by going in it.

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Ben Gordon

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

If you follow what I gave you will make money. You work your azz off at it you will make more. I know what the ex back pays. I know what the conversions are. I know its one of the highest in the industry and no one will hurt me by going in it.

Yeah but Google has fully control over your business if you're using the technique that you specify. Your income... shattered within seconds by Google. What you have is a very work intensive method of making money. Most people -- including me -- are now looking to bring in nearly passive and automated income that we can enjoy without working hours upon hours.

I'm not trying to purposely argue with you. I'm just trying to get another angle across. There are two sides to starting internet marketing for free.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

I gave an example. Use any free blog service you want.
I already said who cares about google. Google has taken everything from me more than once. Im still here, See me, Im right here. They didn't destroy me, just made me find ways to make money other than them.
Your not a marketer, you don't even know what Internet marketing means.
It means to market on the net. Heck networking on the social scene for a job is Internet marketing.

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

Yeah but Google has fully control over your business if you're using the technique that you specify. Your income... shattered within seconds by Google. What you have is a very work intensive method of making money. Most people -- including me -- are now looking to bring in nearly passive and automated income that we can enjoy without working hours upon hours.

I'm not trying to purposely argue with you. I'm just trying to get another angle across. There are two sides to starting internet marketing for free.

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Mark Singletary

11 years ago

I get what you are saying OP.

Your point isn't that a person may fail so be careful or they won't succeed as fast or anything like that.

Your point is that the success comes mostly because of mindset, attitude, and just getting to work no matter if it's perfect or not. Your point is that if they don't try they'll for sure never make it but if they do try, while they may still fail, they at least have a chance to succeed. Your point is that if they want it bad enough they will find a way.

Right?

I agree with you.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Where is that ignore button when you need it. GRRRRRRR

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

350 a week to some is like luxury when you have nothing.

This is so true...

I've had many conversations with hustlinsmoke, and I know he is genuine about helping newbies, and the methods he posted will 100% work if someone decided to go that route, he even gave a hungry niche. I personally would not use free hosting sites, but I grew up dirt poor, so I know alot of people just don't have the money to start.

If anybody came across this thread, and decided to follow it, it would work, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to invest some of that money on hosting your own sites.

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

Internet marketing is not something that's easy to succeed at, especially if you're brand new to IM. If it were easy, all of us here would be making millions every year.

Who knows, having no money may be the drive they need. We all know alot of people fail, because they don't take action, maybe being hungry and poor is all the drive they need to take action and start doing.

PS) This is a good usable post lets not let it degrade into an argument, people can have two different opinions and respect each other for them. Or people can be flaky like me and agree with opinion

Either way no need to get personal.

I agree, this thread has gotten a bit fiery, both make good points and should not be this angry at each other lol

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Need more like you man. Beat em up while your down, its possible and the impossible can get er done as we say in Texas.

Originally Posted by Jassen

Hustlinsmoke, you're spot on! Great post!

I'd also like to point out your signature line to people: Stick with one thing. That is more important than people realize. Focus has power.

Back in 2007 when I was about to lose my home to foreclosure, and ended up filing Chapter 7 bankruptcy, I was doing everything I could to bring in money, but was still backsliding. The bursting of the real estate bubble was taking me with it.

That didn't prevent me from creating a real estate investing blog on Blogger.com (free!), sticking Adsense on it (monetize!), and driving free traffic by posting in article directories, free classified ad sites (mainly Craigslist), and posting on real estate forums.

The few hundred dollars per month that generated me from Adsense was the difference between sleeping in the dirt and sleeping in my car (no joke, I lived in my car for over a year, during the bankruptcy, all while I was changing careers into tax work).

It can be done for free, just as you outlined. When the going gets tough, the tough get creative.

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Curtis2011

11 years ago

You can make an income with no money down. The most common method would probably be writing articles, post them on Web 2.0 sites for SEO traffic, and include a product affiliate link in the article.

Very simple stuff.

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infoway

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

You can make an income with no money down. The most common method would probably be writing articles, post them on Web 2.0 sites for SEO traffic, and include a product affiliate link in the article.

Very simple stuff.

Yess.. you can make out money with no investment with this very effective method. Write down articles also you can include in your list some productive work like me- producing videos, podcast, PDF's or different kind of apps or tools.

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Curtis2011

11 years ago

Originally Posted by infoway

Yess.. you can make out money with no investment with this very effective method. Write down articles also you can include in your list some productive work like me- producing videos, podcast, PDF's or different kind of apps or tools.

Yeah, basically any website that is established and lets you share content for free can be used.

To make money online, all you need is:

1. Traffic.
2. Conversion.
3. Products.

To fulfill #1 with no money down, you find any established website that lets you post content. The content will benefit from the authority of the main site and do well in SEO. And if you post it to Google-owned sites like Youtube, it's almost guaranteed to be given a boost in SEO power.

2. For conversion, just put a link next to or within the content you posted, sending the visitors to an affiliate site that will do the selling for you.

3. For products, just sell affiliate products. It's the fastest and cheapest way to set up a sales funnel.

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Aristocratic

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

This is great for someone who has no money or bank account, which are alot of people around the world. But using a Domain and paid hosting has it's benefits. With free sites, you have no control over it, it can be taken away without notice.

You are right, you don't need money to make money, and this is a great example, but hosting your sites on free hosting comes with the risk of having it taken from under you, thus taking your earnings with it.

To start, Blogger or Wordpress.com is a great starting position for newbies because it allows them to 'trial and error' without losing more than their time. They also allow them get a feel of the commitment they will need to make and gauge if they want to proceed with IM. I agree a paid hosting and domain is better (and usually both can be had for $20 or less total), but for starters, the free route is probably best. And the initial thread I think was meant to just prove that IM could be done for free, not necessarily that the free route is best or even better.

Originally Posted by Ben Gordon

As much as you can start for free, I wouldn't recommend it. If you cannot afford to invest at least $100 into your business then I would not suggest you start. Internet marketing should be treated like any other business. Yes, the big advantage of internet marketing over formal businesses is the low start up costs. But there are still some start up costs that you need to cover in order to be successful.

If you're coming to make some spare change and make it through tough financial times then I would recommend not turning to internet marketing. It won't do you any good. Get a job and provide services based on your skills. You're better off doing that.

However if you HAVE money, and want to invest it and become WEALTHY, then I would highly recommend you try internet marketing. It is one of the best, low investment businesses that you can start.

Just my two cents.

I think when you start your business, surely you will want to have money to invest, but when doing affiliate marketing as the OP is suggesting, I don't think you need any money to get started. For one, money would speed up your results, but it is not necessary to see results. If you wanted to venture off and establish yourself online/business online, then you would definitely need an investment, but I think that money can be earned by starting out the free ('bum marketing') route first.

Regardless, the problem is most people want the 'instant success' formula, not the 'sustainable income after hard work' formula.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Yes in fact I have had a quite a few take me up on my offer to mentor them through this. I have told them, free is the way to travel to get money then you can spend money to make more money when you have it. Most only need one affiliate sale to make that 40 bucks then they have paid services can do more and see that it works.

I always suggest to start Internet Marketing the free route when you start. Its a lot more work and does work but it like if you worked construction, you do not start out being a finishing carpenter, you start out digging the forms.

If anyone tells you or sells you a push button be on vacation sit on your tush and sleep to make money machine then I would say to them, how long did it take you to set that push button money machine up.

Even after the dollars roll in you have to continuously improve and work your products. You have to find new avenues to make money if one way goes to the wayside.

You are absolutely right, spending money is easier but I strongly stress you do it the free route first. If you can make good money without spending money think what you can do when you put money into it.

Originally Posted by Aristocratic

To start, Blogger or Wordpress.com is a great starting position for newbies because it allows them to 'trial and error' without losing more than their time. They also allow them get a feel of the commitment they will need to make and gauge if they want to proceed with IM. I agree a paid hosting and domain is better (and usually both can be had for $20 or less total), but for starters, the free route is probably best. And the initial thread I think was meant to just prove that IM could be done for free, not necessarily that the free route is best or even better.

I think when you start your business, surely you will want to have money to invest, but when doing affiliate marketing as the OP is suggesting, I don't think you need any money to get started. For one, money would speed up your results, but it is not necessary to see results. If you wanted to venture off and establish yourself online/business online, then you would definitely need an investment, but I think that money can be earned by starting out the free ('bum marketing') route first.

Regardless, the problem is most people want the 'instant success' formula, not the 'sustainable income after hard work' formula.

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jss1008 11 years ago

This is a very good thread not only to read but to discover how many of us look at things. Proves how some of us don't let things such as "having no money to put up as capital" destroy the ability to start making money using available free services.

Of course, I believe that it follows that for anyone who creates money initially for free will realize that putting money earned from free resources back to his/her business will payoff even bigger.

If anyone would like to apply OP's strategy as a venture to start with using sweat equity is his/her prerogative.

Anyone who believes that he/she can start with this activity only after being able to put aside X amount of money is also correct.

Bottom line is that there are many ways to "skin a cat."

Kudos to OP for taking the time to offer this suggestion that may be just the push that a person needs to start creating money.
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shane_k

11 years ago

I think Ben means well, but I think he missed the point of this thread.

I think the OP meant this thread to be for those people, and specifically those people who use the excuse of having no money, as a reason to stay stuck, and play the victim of circumstance.

Is it better to have some money when you first start out?

Sure, but not everyone is in a situation where that is possible.

it is better to treat Internet Marketing as a business?

Sure, but you can still make money treating it like a hobby or a job. We don't know what other people's goals are so we shouldn't tell them how to treat IM.

And to say that free accounts can be taken away at any second but imply that if you have money and have paid accounts this won't happen is utterly false.

Even if you have a paid autoresponder or paid hosting, if you break the TOS you can have those things taken away. And we all have heard horror stories of a lot of people who have lost their incomes from Google Updates.

Anyway, @ hustlin great thread, and to those of you who are using the excuse of no money, just follow what the OP mentioned and you can make money.

Peace and Piece! lol

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Mohsin Rasool

11 years ago

Hi Warriors,

Awesome discussion going on! I have done it FREE, with no money down!
But now as I have money to invest, I always say, if you have and can invest,
invest some money to speed up the results....

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One very important thing regarding HAVING MONEY OR NO MONEY....
i.e. In my case, I had hard cold cash to invest but still no means to pay online,
i.e. No paypal, no credit card.... back in 2005... so only free earning methods were
the option. There would be many people around the globe in same situation...
who may money to invest, but living in a country where to get Paypal account or credit card is almost impossible.... so they cannot pay online to invest in the tools and services.... FREE METHODS are always great for the beginners to get started!

Kudos to the OP for having such wonderful post to show the free options to the people
who are in the position to pay online.

Thank you,
Mohsin

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11 years ago

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philipsimbahan 11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

afiqmereni, Nice to know you. YOu will be leaving soon I am sure lol.

He'll get banned I'm sure. Spamming a thread is ridiculous.
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AndrewCavanagh

11 years ago

When I started out I didn't have any money to spend and
I did start making money fairly quickly (although probably
not as much as I should have).

What I did starting out was sold services (I developed my
skills by studying and applying free information I found online...
working out what worked with practice and dumping what
didn't).

There are always people who will hire you to help them bring
in more sales.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

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KevinChapman

11 years ago

I'd agree that you can do it for free but I wouldn't suggest it to anybody.

Even if you only spend a little bit of money, enough for a aweber account and domain and hosting then you really can improve your business.

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Chris Silvey 11 years ago

This is my lazy boy method -

Get a Paypal Account

Sign up with JVZoo and or Clickbank affiliate signup or Clickbank Vendor (You have your own Produc) (I prefer JVZoo for Instant Payments)

Sign up with Photobucket or any other image hosting company (void if you have your own website)

Select Your Products/Services to sell and get the affiliate links

Go to the landing Page(s) and download and copy good marketing images and marketing text.

Open up your favorite Paint/Photo Editor (Paint.net is a very good free one) and create a 680 x 400 banner with the images and text.

Upload your new banner to your image host and get the direct link.

In notepad use the following code, placing your own affiliate link and image links in the following- <code><a href="Your Affiliate Link"><img alt="Your Product Name" src="Direct link to your banner" width="680″ height="400″ border="0″ /></a></code>

Go to backpage.com and select the city(s) and paste in your code with a nice subject line. Or..
You can go to fiverr.com and hire a backpage.com posting service for 5 bucks.

This is a real simple and time efficient method that does work. Just always remember to Promote Quality Products and Services that have Value and you will find making money online in Internet Marketing a lot easier.
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grandstar

11 years ago

both parties are right. yes you can make money without spending a dime! You can however make multiples if you choose to automate or better still advertise. in a threadit was reported that over 90% of super successful marketers used paid traffic!

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eClicker

11 years ago

Absolutely you can do it for free! I have just listened to some training on doing exactly that. It just takes some hard work and research but there are opportunities out there to become profitable without spending anything or little to nothing.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

I know one thing, I have seen people put in a thousand with no return so if we want to talk the truth, you can put in amazing cash and get nothing back and you can also do it for free and see a 10,000 percent return lol. Free + 10000% return = what. Sorry, I at least thought it was funny.

No really though I have dropped money into a new system or program and have actually lost money. Like cpa, I don't think I made anything till I spent about 500 bucks.

PPC I lose money at times. Several things can drain me in a second especially if I don't put proper limits on it.

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Alex Blades

11 years ago

I have friends with multi-million dollar brick and mortar companies, and they always tell me "know what Alex, I started with nothing"

I know it sounds like cliche, but I'm sure everyone here has heard that from a friend or two. I am sure there are millionaires in the I.M niche that have started out with a free method, and I don't mean the usual B.S story on how they made a million dollar business living in the back seat of their car.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

When I started marketing on the Internet before most of you were born, you pretty much had to do the free method. No one out there had programs out as such or software to help us. I learned coding by stripping pages apart and going over them. Copying them and changing things.

We didn't have google, warriors, jvzoo, clickbank, wordpress, aweber lol.

We had good ole AOL. Like 9.95 month you get three hours and then spend 3.95 per hour.

Best thing though you could type a web address in, go cook dinner and come back and it just loaded then you could eat dinner when you clicked the next link lol.

If you were poor like me you went to your rich family and used up all there net and some. Then went to friends and used theres up.

Oh I can't forget good ole College either I was taking a Dos class and some more classes. I would stay in lab for hours on end, they would have to kick me out when the lights went out.

The good old days.

Originally Posted by Alex Blades

I have friends with multi-million dollar brick and mortar companies, and they always tell me "know what Alex, I started with nothing"

I know it sounds like cliche, but I'm sure everyone here has heard that from a friend or two. I am sure there are millionaires in the I.M niche that have started out with a free method, and I don't mean the usual B.S story on how they made a million dollar business living in the back seat of their car.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Just to point out on Wordpress and blogger, yeah you will get kicked for affiliate links but you want quality articles anyway that point to a landing page or squeeze page. So don't worry about that and utilize them fully. I have still heard of people getting kicked but not often and I don't really think they got kicked off for that anyways.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Just an update, I have 12 students now that I am working with. I actually started with 16 but four are awol. That is normal on free coaching, when they figure out how much work it really is they tend to ask where the push button or the four work week is.

Thats okay though because who I end up with in the end will be strong marketers who will know how to
Find a product or service
Get that product or service on the internet
Find free ways to drive traffic to that product
know how to pick a affiliate product to sell
and a little about keywords, how to build a list and emailing them. Just basic stuff but alot of times we roll through IM just spinning while mission some of the important steps.

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FitMarketer

11 years ago

Yes you can start for free for sure! Start running a service that you can complete if you are a writer thats a great place to start

Get a free blogger or wordpress site

Put a link in your signature here

Post useful and informative posts and offer review prices

Respond on people looking for services like yours

You can also use free job sites like odeks, elance, and freelancer

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CDarklock

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

I just replied to a post, one person said you can not do it for free and I dissagree with that.

Everything costs one of three things: TMI. Time, Money, or Influence.

If you sit down and do the work all by yourself, it costs you time.
If you pay someone to do the work for you, it costs you money.
If you get someone to do the work as a favour, it costs you influence.

You're always trading some combination of these. If you make several thousand posts on the Warrior Forum, you trade time for influence. If you buy a lot of advertising, you trade money for influence. Ask someone to do you a favour, you trade influence for time. Pay them to work for you, and you're trading money for time. Pay someone famous to endorse you, and you trade money for influence. Ask someone to buy you a drink, and you trade influence for money.

Nothing is free. Ever. It never happens in a vacuum. Figure out what you have and leverage it.

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

He is absolutely right, although when I say free I mean no money.
Now I would like to point out alot of you do work for me or have did work for me. I use blog posters here, forum posters, (all the posts here are mine so hush) writers from here ect ect.

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Everything costs one of three things: TMI. Time, Money, or Influence.

If you sit down and do the work all by yourself, it costs you time.
If you pay someone to do the work for you, it costs you money.
If you get someone to do the work as a favour, it costs you influence.

You're always trading some combination of these. If you make several thousand posts on the Warrior Forum, you trade time for influence. If you buy a lot of advertising, you trade money for influence. Ask someone to do you a favour, you trade influence for time. Pay them to work for you, and you're trading money for time. Pay someone famous to endorse you, and you trade money for influence. Ask someone to buy you a drink, and you trade influence for money.

Nothing is free. Ever. It never happens in a vacuum. Figure out what you have and leverage it.

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jazzgirl

11 years ago

You can start self publishing on Amazon for free.
The Ultimate Guide to Publishing Your eBook on Amazon’s Kindle Platform | Copyblogger

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FitMarketer 11 years ago

Originally Posted by jazzgirl

You can start self publishing on Amazon for free.
The Ultimate Guide to Publishing Your eBook on Amazon's Kindle Platform | Copyblogger

Yes amazon publishing is free but niche research and marketing is important you can't just publish any old thing and expect to make money.

If you are a talented writer and have some patience or some works that have not been published this is a great place to start
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