I Am Totally SCREWED!!!!!!!!!!!! I Might As Well Just Give Up!!

by Byron_Wells 101 replies
Alright Warriors

You're going to have to bear with me because I am seriously having one of those days, where I'm thinking whats the sodding point. You Just Might As Will Give Up Completely If You Are Not Allowed To Use Paypal To Accept Payments from customers.

I was just in the process of setting up two websites, one was going to be a coaching website and another was going to be sort of a deal blog/website

My Paypal got permantly shut down two years ago. So I can never use them ever again. However alot of membership scripts, affiliate based comission compays (JVZOO) uses paypal..

I know there are merchant account but most of them wants to charge something per month to use. But as yet I don't have any members etc...

2checkout now doesn't allow you to sell ebooks/videos that you have got resale rights to..

I know I need something that will even still accept payments from people using paypal.

Btw I am based in the UK

I'm just having a nightmare at the moment.. I want to get things finally up and runnning by the weekend.. But now I'm feeling not a chance..
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Why not use clickbank?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by John Atkins View Post

      Why not use clickbank?
      For the same reason he can't use 2Checkout, I think: it seems he just has "resale rights" to whatever he's hoping to sell.

      You might be able to use "ClickSure", though, Byron, if you're willing to do business with them: they're based in China and seem to accept absolutely anything and everything that other networks won't touch for a variety of ethical/legal/other reasons (which may be why they've had their own PayPal account limited).Could be worth investigating, though? Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by John Atkins View Post

      Why not use clickbank?
      I believe there is a $50 sign up fee.. Then I have heard that there fees for admin are quite high...


      Also not sure if I will be able use clickbank for my deal blog/website where I am selling products that have got master resale rights to... I know I could use it for my membership site part
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

        I believe there is a $50 sign up fee.. Then I have heard that there fees for admin are quite high...

        Also not sure if I will be able use clickbank for my deal blog/website where I am selling products that have got master resale rights to... I know I could use it for my membership site part
        So what. Cough up the $50 and write it off as a business expense.

        There fees are higher than many, but they handle all of the tax BS for your affiliates and they accept paypal. So it's well worth it.

        They pay on time all the time, which I can't say for many other affiliate programs.

        And they have a very large pool of affiliates.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Harris
      Hey Byron,

      I know that feeling of "I HAVE to launch my site by X date"

      Sometimes for me it is so intense, it shuts me off to "answers"

      It's like, there could be a tidal wave coming, but I've just gotta get my site "Live"

      There are ways around your situation..

      What about a paypal account using another member of your family's name..

      I recently opened a paypal account here in the UK (2 months ago) and managed
      to jump through all their hoops to get it verified so I could receive payments with no limits in 2 working days..

      Hang in there mate and NEVER give up..
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      • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
        Originally Posted by quantumtiger View Post

        Hey Byron,

        I know that feeling of "I HAVE to launch my site by X date"

        Sometimes for me it is so intense, it shuts me off to "answers"

        It's like, there could be a tidal wave coming, but I've just gotta get my site "Live"

        There are ways around your situation..

        What about a paypal account using another member of your family's name..

        I recently opened a paypal account here in the UK (2 months ago) and managed
        to jump through all their hoops to get it verified so I could receive payments with no limits in 2 working days..

        Hang in there mate and NEVER give up..

        My wife has got a unverified paypal account at the moment. We can only buy stuff not accept payments at the moment. However to start accepting payments we would need to upgrade to either business or premier account.. But I am wondering if we do that will paypal limit the account because of my account got closed down 2 years ago?? Will not be using the account to sell on ebay at all. Just on my two websites...
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      • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
        Originally Posted by quantumtiger View Post

        Hey Byron,

        I know that feeling of "I HAVE to launch my site by X date"

        Sometimes for me it is so intense, it shuts me off to "answers"

        It's like, there could be a tidal wave coming, but I've just gotta get my site "Live"

        There are ways around your situation..

        What about a paypal account using another member of your family's name..

        I recently opened a paypal account here in the UK (2 months ago) and managed
        to jump through all their hoops to get it verified so I could receive payments with no limits in 2 working days..

        Hang in there mate and NEVER give up..
        I'm not sure if Paypal will my wife's account to be verified and then start accepting payments because of my account be closed/banned.. Even though we won't be selling anything on ebay at all. Just from the two websites..

        Don't want to ruin my wife name and account.. So that's why I am bit nervous to go ahead and upgrade her account to business
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Harris
          Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

          I'm not sure if Paypal will my wife's account to be verified and then start accepting payments because of my account be closed/banned.. Even though we won't be selling anything on ebay at all. Just from the two websites..

          Don't want to ruin my wife name and account.. So that's why I am bit nervous to go ahead and upgrade her account to business
          In that case my suggestion probably isn't your best option, as I don't know how linked your wife's Credit/Debit card and your Credit/Debit cards on your banking accounts are..

          You could however, have her open another account with a new bank and use the card with that account to open a new paypal account..

          I know it will take you a bit longer to do this, but that way you would have a paypal account and she would not be risking hers..
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          • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
            Originally Posted by quantumtiger View Post

            In that case my suggestion probably isn't your best option, as I don't know how linked your wife's Credit/Debit card and your Credit/Debit cards on your banking accounts are..

            You could however, have her open another account with a new bank and use the card with that account to open a new paypal account..

            I know it will take you a bit longer to do this, but that way you would have a paypal account and she would not be risking hers..
            Well she has got her own card and her own account in her own right.. Its with the same bank as me. The same address as I live at, same surname as me..
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Harris
              Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

              Well she has got her own card and her own account in her own right.. Its with the same bank as me. The same address as I live at, same surname as me..
              I still wouldn't risk it with the same surname, because she wants to use it for ebay.

              I'd take the slower path and get her a new bank account and card,
              rather than take a chance/risk and paypal shut her down
              because then not only have you got no paypal account again, you also have an upset misuses.

              And that would NOT be good especially,
              when you take into consideration how much ladies like to shop.

              I've never had any trouble with paypal, but I do have the opinion of
              "they are necessary evil" just like banks are in the offline world.

              So I tend to have their ethics, principles and practices on a short leash
              and not trust them too much.

              I know it's a pain in the butt for ya.

              Other than that, I see there has been quite a few posts about clickbank.

              Maybe they might be a quick fix until you find a more longer term solution.
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              • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                Originally Posted by quantumtiger View Post

                I still wouldn't risk it with the same surname, because she wants to use it for ebay.

                I'd take the slower path and get her a new bank account and card,
                rather than take a chance/risk and paypal shut her down
                because then not only have you got no paypal account again, you also have an upset misuses.

                And that would NOT be good especially,
                when you take into consideration how much ladies like to shop.

                I've never had any trouble with paypal, but I do have the opinion of
                "they are necessary evil" just like banks are in the offline world.

                So I tend to have their ethics, principles and practices on a short leash
                and not trust them too much.

                I know it's a pain in the butt for ya.

                Other than that, I see there has been quite a few posts about clickbank.

                Maybe they might be a quick fix until you find a more longer term solution.
                In regards to ebay we are only buying stuff. Not selling
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                • Profile picture of the author Michael Harris
                  Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

                  In regards to ebay we are only buying stuff. Not selling
                  What I'm thinking is if paypal look into her account and see the same surname, street address etc, they may decide to shut her account down.

                  I don't know if they will,

                  But..

                  They may check and may shut her account down..

                  Then you are back to where you are now and she has lost her account also..
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            • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
              Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

              Well she has got her own card and her own account in her own right.. Its with the same bank as me. The same address as I live at, same surname as me..
              So what's her opinion about possibly fronting for you?
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              • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                Originally Posted by mrdomains View Post

                So what's her opinion about possibly fronting for you?
                She doesn't mind at all. It's just me be worried I guess
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel Young
    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

    My Paypal got permantly shut down two years ago. So I can never use them ever again.
    Are you saying your account was not only shut down but you are also permanently banned from PayPal?? Is that even possible? You can't open another account?
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      Originally Posted by Joel Young View Post

      Is that even possible?
      Yes - it's quite common, Joel.
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      • Profile picture of the author 4DayWeekend
        Do you have any friends who could become your business partner?

        Of course, finding someone you trust can be problematic, but if you do find someone there are various plus points - Two sets of ideas, accountability and your partner being able to accept Paypal.
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      • Profile picture of the author KenJ
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Yes - it's quite common, Joel.
        Hi Alexa,
        I'm not sure it is common. Sorry to disagree.

        Back to OP.

        I have had three paypal accounts. This is because I had, until recently, an offline business. I sold two products online that my company manufactured. They each had their own account. All three accounts needed their own UK bank account to link with. If you run an offline business in the UK you will already have at least three bank accounts

        So my first advice would be. Go and open a new paypal account and make sure the UK bank account you link to is different to the one you used in the first place. It would be even better if you related this to an ebay account as well.

        Secondly. I think Nat West are doing a special deal with merchant accounts for online transactions at this moment in time. So it might be worth checking that out.

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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

          You have been banned from Paypal for 2 years, but your setting up a coaching website. So if you plan on doing coaching Im going to assume that you must have been doing IM during the last 2 years right? So what have you been using? Use that. Or are you just planning on having a coaching website when you have done nothing for the last 2 years?
          He hasn't done "nothing" - he accumulated some resale rights stuff he wants to charge monthly access fees for. :rolleyes:

          Maybe this is the Universe's way of looking out for his potential "coachees"...
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          • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            He hasn't done "nothing" - he accumulated some resale rights stuff he wants to charge monthly access fees for. :rolleyes:

            Maybe this is the Universe's way of looking out for his potential "coachees"...

            No I don't want to charge people a montlhy fee for resale rights that I have got.. Never said that.... And even if I did there is nothing wrong with me doing that at all....
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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

              No I don't want to charge people a montlhy fee for resale rights that I have got.. Never said that.... And even if I did there is nothing wrong with me doing that at all....
              Thanks. I just got another name for my "never buy from" list...
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              • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
                Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                Thanks. I just got another name for my "never buy from" list...
                For what? The resale rights membership?
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                • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                  Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

                  For what? The resale rights membership?
                  I think he's talking about the other membership site.. Not the site that I was planning to selling resale rights through
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                  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

                    I think he's talking about the other membership site.. Not the site that I was planning to selling resale rights through
                    Byron, anyone that tells me there's nothing wrong with charging a monthly fee to access a collection of MRR stuff, whether that was your original intention or not, is someone I don't trust enough to buy anything from. Period.

                    As I said originally, another name for my never buy from list.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                      Byron, anyone that tells me there's nothing wrong with charging a monthly fee to access a collection of MRR stuff, whether that was your original intention or not, is someone I don't trust enough to buy anything from. Period.

                      As I said originally, another name for my never buy from list.
                      Alright John

                      I think you are little bit confused.. I am not setting up a membership site where I am offering people to download MRR/RR/PLR products at all.....
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                    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
                      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                      Byron, anyone that tells me there's nothing wrong with charging a monthly fee to access a collection of MRR stuff, whether that was your original intention or not, is someone I don't trust enough to buy anything from. Period.

                      As I said originally, another name for my never buy from list.
                      Well, add me to that list. I have a site just for that. Nothing illegal or unethical about it.
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                      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                        Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

                        Well, add me to that list. I have a site just for that. Nothing illegal or unethical about it.
                        But do you call it a coaching program?

                        I know Byron has clarified that he didn't intend to sell memberships to a site filled with MRR stuff he's accumulated. He made the comment I quoted before clarifying.

                        If you are saying that you run a site that charges a monthly access fee to a collection of MRR stuff under the guise of a "coaching program", I'll gladly add you to the list.

                        If you offer that collection AS A COLLECTION, everything transparent and the buyer knows what he's getting before putting his money down, I agree - nothing illegal or unethical about it.

                        So, do I add you to the list, or not? :confused:
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                        • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
                          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                          But do you call it a coaching program?

                          I know Byron has clarified that he didn't intend to sell memberships to a site filled with MRR stuff he's accumulated. He made the comment I quoted before clarifying.

                          If you are saying that you run a site that charges a monthly access fee to a collection of MRR stuff under the guise of a "coaching program", I'll gladly add you to the list.

                          If you offer that collection AS A COLLECTION, everything transparent and the buyer knows what he's getting before putting his money down, I agree - nothing illegal or unethical about it.

                          So, do I add you to the list, or not? :confused:
                          I don't think the 'MRR site' is the same as his 'coaching program'.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Thomas Belknap
                            Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

                            I don't think the 'MRR site' is the same as his 'coaching program'.
                            Sounds like different sites to me as well. I still hope the guy coaching has more to offer judging from this post. :confused:

                            OP, if this will make you "give up" then you should just give up. There will be plenty of problems that you will need to fix without needing to get all dramatic. You certainly shouldn't be coaching others if you are easily derailed from your goals.

                            That is what we do... Otherwise everyone would be a self employed millionaire.
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            • Profile picture of the author brutecky
              Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

              No I don't want to charge people a montlhy fee for resale rights that I have got.. Never said that.... And even if I did there is nothing wrong with me doing that at all....
              Byron, some tips from me to you.

              1) Forget the coaching site all together. The fact that your asking all these questions and that you have not been active for 2 years (what ever the reason) shows me that you should not be coaching.

              2) Forget the PLR /MRR stuff. Though some people may like it, in my experience its either old, outdated, poorly written or all ready everywhere, or all of the above. I wouldnt give most of that stuff to my list for free let alone try to charge for it.

              3) Create your own product, build a list, get experience.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe Ray
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            He hasn't done "nothing" - he accumulated some resale rights stuff he wants to charge monthly access fees for. :rolleyes:

            Maybe this is the Universe's way of looking out for his potential "coachees"...
            I agree with you! I have never paid for any coaching and I never will!

            To the OP, I suggest you set up a new site where you "coach" people and teach them the one thing you seem to know, which is: How To Get Banned From Paypal!

            Provide this service for free, as you don't have a way of taking payments! This way you can really share your experience and knowledge and potentially help people so they don't end up in a situation you are in.
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        • Profile picture of the author 1Matthew
          Originally Posted by KenJ View Post


          So my first advice would be. Go and open a new paypal account and make sure the UK bank account you link to is different to the one you used in the first place. It would be even better if you related this to an ebay account as well.

          KenJ
          I agree. I have opened and transacted on two Paypal accounts linking to different email, banking and mailing details. Each served a different objective. One is business and the other is personal nature. Regardless of the purpose the process is the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by Joel Young View Post

      Are you saying your account was not only shut down but you are also permanently banned from PayPal?? Is that even possible? You can't open another account?
      YES BANNED FROM PAYPAL...
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      • Profile picture of the author Joel Young
        Would it cause trouble if someone opened an account for someone else to let them use it?
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Joel Young View Post

          Would it cause trouble if someone opened an account for someone else to let them use it?
          Yes - sometimes greatly so. And for understandable reasons: naturally enough (as with absolutely anything in which fiduciary responsibility is involved, surely?!) it would be totally against the terms of service.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Byron, I think the best way is to use family members account for this reason. I personally know some people who are doing it because for one reason or another paypal have banned them.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrdomains
      Originally Posted by datingworld View Post

      Byron, I think the best way is to use family members account for this reason. I personally know some people who are doing it because for one reason or another paypal have banned them.
      That is awful advice.

      In 99% of the cases there is always a reason why you get banned, shut down, closed, excommunicated or in any other way cast out from something. You broke the rules. tried to shortcut, game a system or simply didn't take the time to LEARN the rules and fumbled your way to a ban.

      Using someone else- specially a relative - as a workaround is pure egoism. What happens when the ban hits them by your actions? (yes it will happen again)

      This is the same mentality where people take credits on their kids because they can't get their own (for good reason).
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  • Profile picture of the author kenzo22
    Why don't you ask someone trusted who doesn't use PayPal to create and account for you? I think you won't have any problems because of that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by kenzo22 View Post

      Why don't you ask someone trusted who doesn't use PayPal to create and account for you? I think you won't have any problems because of that.
      I asked my mum ages ago and she didn't want to know... I haven't really got any other business partners at the mo. No one else believes in what I am doing online will make money apart from my WIFE
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      • Profile picture of the author tofrar
        To ask family member or friends to use there name:

        I would ever never do that.
        Money , friends or family donĀ“t fit together.
        Believe me, this will only make more problem in nearest future.

        Is there no way to start small company and use company name? In most country that is easy and should not cost much
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  • Profile picture of the author curationsoft
    the best solution would be to create another paypal account. if there's a wheel, there's a way!
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    • Profile picture of the author Joel Young
      Originally Posted by curationsoft View Post

      ...if there's a wheel, there's a way!
      Wheel??

      Are you related to this person? lol

      This is the second time today that the phrase, "If there's a will, there's a way" has been misspoken. So surreal....
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    • Profile picture of the author DeborahDera
      Couldn't you form your business into an LLC and then open a business account with the business name/EIN number? That would not really be in "your" name and it would prevent a friend or family member from having your income look like their income when tax time rolls around.
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    If checkout process is your problem try using Google Checkout
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    You have been banned from Paypal for 2 years, but your setting up a coaching website. So if you plan on doing coaching Im going to assume that you must have been doing IM during the last 2 years right? So what have you been using? Use that. Or are you just planning on having a coaching website when you have done nothing for the last 2 years?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brian Tayler
    I'm a little confused how someone who is going to offer coaching (to ANY community) cannot afford the $5-$30/mo for a merchant account?

    But anyway... I use stripe.com and it works quite well.

    Here's a little chart of the "free" (no monthly payment, processors I came up with)

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    Processor                            Percentage	                 Plus Transaction Fee
    Payza (AlertPay)                   2.50%                        $0.25 
    Stripe.com                           2.90%                        $0.30 
    Google Checkout                   2.90%                        $0.30 
    Paypal	                         2.90%                        $0.30 
    RegNow (mycommerce.com)    4.90%                        $1.00 
    2Checkout (2co.com)             5.50%                        $0.45 
    Clickbank                             7.50%                         $1.00
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  • Profile picture of the author garyv
    Just about everyone that does enough business eventually gets hit with the paypal ban. The company is borderline illegal with their business practices. However unfortunately they are still a necessity to get your full potential out of a pay website.

    I've been banned several times but that does not stop me from getting new accounts. And I do not feel one iota of guilt for doing it. Because I did not do anything wrong in the first place to deserve a ban. A Majority of their bans happen when you have a sudden influx of business. It's like an automatic software trigger, and it's complete BS. Plus when they do ban you or suspend your account, they hold your funds for up to 6 months, which in the real banking world IS illegal.

    So no, I absolutely have no problem circumventing their rules - because they circumvent the rules themselves.

    The best way to do it is to get a business license or some form of tax ID for your business. I don't know how they do it in the UK - but here in Illinois we can apply for a tax ID number online free of charge - and you can get one new one every day. Then you go to paypal and get a business account. Then you'll also have to change your physical address. There are many places online where you can rent temporary mailing addresses. And then finally you'll need to change your computer's IP address from the one that you used for your previous paypal accounts. You can usually do this by resetting your modem - but you'll have to check this on your own system.

    There are a few things they usually track to link accounts together, they are:
    -Physical Address
    -Tax ID number
    -IP Address
    -Any credit cards or bank accounts linked to the account

    Right now I'm on my 4th paypal account and this one has been going strong now for probably 5 years. It's a pain in the rear, but you learn to live with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Thomas Smale
    After reading this thread, I seriously hope you reconsider offering "coaching" when you don't even have $50 to open a Clickbank account.

    Save up $50, open a Clickbank account, sell some of your products and once you've made a few hundred thousand you could consider offering coaching. I know the WF mentality is for any idiot to create a "product" but it's not a good idea to charge people for coaching if you can't even figure out how to process payments.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by Thomas Smale View Post

      After reading this thread, I seriously hope you reconsider offering "coaching" when you don't even have $50 to open a Clickbank account.

      Save up $50, open a Clickbank account, sell some of your products and once you've made a few hundred thousand you could consider offering coaching. I know the WF mentality is for any idiot to create a "product" but it's not a good idea to charge people for coaching if you can't even figure out how to process payments.
      Clickbank is for the membership site only.. What about the deal site???
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      • Profile picture of the author Raiel Schwartz
        Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

        Clickbank is for the membership site only.. What about the deal site???
        You can use Clickbank to sell one time products as well, while still being able to accept Paypal payments. If that doesn't work out for you, you can always trying setting up your own merchant account.
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        • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
          Originally Posted by Raiel Schwartz View Post

          You can use Clickbank to sell one time products as well, while still being able to accept Paypal payments. If that doesn't work out for you, you can always trying setting up your own merchant account.

          I'm currently looking at eway which if I understand right is a merchant account..

          I'm not sure if anyone knows of any merchant accounts that work in the UK that will allow people to pay using paypal as well...
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  • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
    ok I might be able to use clickbank for the membership site one.. But what about the deal website that I was thinking about doing??
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  • Profile picture of the author smith33122
    It's really easy to get another or multiple paypal account - all you need is a new bank account coop etc, a new email address and a new mobile telephone number.

    I found that I needed a new account when I got scammed on ebay and it was not difficult to setup first I got the new ebay account and then I got the new paypal account.

    Kind regards
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by smith33122 View Post

      It's really easy to get another or multiple paypal account - all you need is a new bank account coop etc, a new email address and a new mobile telephone number.

      I found that I needed a new account when I got scammed on ebay and it was not difficult to setup first I got the new ebay account and then I got the new paypal account.

      Kind regards
      My wife has already got an account at the same address which is currently unverified.. If I upgraded it to business what will happen then? Will paypal shut it because of my account??

      At the moment we are only buying stuff not selling anything
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  • Profile picture of the author dayus444
    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

    Alright Warriors

    You're going to have to bear with me because I am seriously having one of those days, where I'm thinking whats the sodding point. You Just Might As Will Give Up Completely If You Are Not Allowed To Use Paypal To Accept Payments from customers.

    I was just in the process of setting up two websites, one was going to be a coaching website and another was going to be sort of a deal blog/website

    My Paypal got permantly shut down two years ago. So I can never use them ever again. However alot of membership scripts, affiliate based comission compays (JVZOO) uses paypal..

    I know there are merchant account but most of them wants to charge something per month to use. But as yet I don't have any members etc...

    2checkout now doesn't allow you to sell ebooks/videos that you have got resale rights to..

    I know I need something that will even still accept payments from people using paypal.

    Btw I am based in the UK

    I'm just having a nightmare at the moment.. I want to get things finally up and runnning by the weekend.. But now I'm feeling not a chance..
    why are u so bent on resale rights ebooks then? How about creating a brand new ebook from scratch?
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  • Profile picture of the author JeanneLynn
    Can you incorporate your business and open a new Paypal account that way?
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  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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    Byron,


    You can use Wepay.com - the SAME exact thing as paypal and works better in my opinion or payza.com


    These are both wonderful alternatives.


    Less fees, and faster withdralwls half the time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by SandraLarkin View Post

      Byron,


      You can use Wepay.com - the SAME exact thing as paypal and works better in my opinion or payza.com


      These are both wonderful alternatives.


      Less fees, and faster withdralwls half the time.

      I just come across eway which is a merchant account
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    I'm curious what you did that got you banned from PayPal in the first place.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      I'm curious what you did that got you banned from PayPal in the first place.
      There is a lot of reason why you can get banned from paypal whether good or bad.....
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

        There is a lot of reason why you can get banned from paypal whether good or bad.....
        Not really ... legitimate businesses who merely have "high risk" products will have holds placed on their account, this could be as little as a few hundred bucks or as much as $100K, but it's all relative to how many transactions you're doing and what the risk is. Other than the percentage they're holding, you still have access to the rest of your money. That happens all the time. Getting "banned" from PayPal is a different story, it means you did something that was wrong enough that they didn't want anything to do with you or your money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
    Originally Posted by mikedcarroll View Post

    What bugs me is that you've waited 2 years to try to get this figured out. I could understand maybe 1 to 6 months while you finished site designs, but two years? How come you never did the research on payment processors during that period of time?
    For the past two years I have been doing other things than concertrating online. I have been a full time career for my dad who had cancer that's all
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  • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
    Originally Posted by mikedcarroll View Post

    @Bryon that makes sense now...I was going to say, if were just sitting around and it took you two years then I would have to knock some sense into you. However, a sick family member is definitely legitimate (I hope you accept my apologies).
    No worries Everything got put on the back burner as the say goings.. But now I'm trying to get back into things and back up and running
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

      Alright John

      I think you are little bit confused.. I am not setting up a membership site where I am offering people to download MRR/RR/PLR products at all.....
      I'm not confused at all. Here's what you said that landed you on my shit list...

      Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

      No I don't want to charge people a montlhy fee for resale rights that I have got.. Never said that.... And even if I did there is nothing wrong with me doing that at all....
      It doesn't matter whether you were planning to do so or not. The fact that you see nothing wrong with it is where we part ways permanently.
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    If you are serious about making money, you should know that you need to spend money to make money.

    You say that people get banned from PayPal all the time for various reasons. True. However, many people who get Limited get limited because they will not prove who they are to Paypal. Most people who get banned for life present a serious threat of fraud or financial loss to PayPal.

    I want to give you the benefit of a doubt, but it seems hard to do with what you have so far presented. Exactly what kind of coaching do you plan on offering to people? And, are you qualified to offer that kind of coaching?
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      If you are serious about making money, you should know that you need to spend money to make money.

      You say that people get banned from PayPal all the time for various reasons. True. However, many people who get Limited get limited because they will not prove who they are to Paypal. Most people who get banned for life present a serious threat of fraud or financial loss to PayPal.

      I want to give you the benefit of a doubt, but it seems hard to do with what you have so far presented. Exactly what kind of coaching do you plan on offering to people? And, are you qualified to offer that kind of coaching?
      Bill

      I know exactly where you are coming from, you need money to spend money.. I fully understand and respect that.. But people do not have unlimited funds to spend.... If you're going to give me a lecture then maybe chose another day Not in the mood for it...

      If you are here to advise what payment processor there is then that's fine....
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

        Bill

        I know exactly where you are coming from, you need money to spend money.. I fully understand and respect that.. But people do not have unlimited funds to spend.... If you're going to give me a lecture then maybe chose another day Not in the mood for it...

        If you are here to advise what payment processor there is then that's fine....

        If you are not in the mood for a lecture, maybe you need to grow thicker skin or ask fewer questions.
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        • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          If you are not in the mood for a lecture, maybe you need to grow thicker skin or ask fewer questions.
          Bill

          lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    I second using Clickbank. I use it for my membership site and it works great! The fees are similar to those charged by PayPal and Clickbank has really cleaned up their image.

    The $50 is a one time fee (if you do a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc account there is a discount) and it's worth it as they handle all the tax info, pay the affiliates, and deposit directly to your bank account each week (if you set up direct deposit).

    If you are banned from PayPal - then CB kinda feels like your best option.

    Cheers,
    Coby
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by Coby View Post

      I second using Clickbank. I use it for my membership site and it works great! The fees are similar to those charged by PayPal and Clickbank has really cleaned up their image.

      The $50 is a one time fee (if you do a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc account there is a discount) and it's worth it as they handle all the tax info, pay the affiliates, and deposit directly to your bank account each week (if you set up direct deposit).

      If you are banned from PayPal - then CB kinda feels like your best option.

      Cheers,
      Coby

      Thanks for that advice
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  • Profile picture of the author Victor Edson
    Have you looked into Google Checkout, Payza or any of the other payment processors?

    There are plenty out there, and using Google Checkout won't ruin your reputation like some others may. How about a JVZoo or WarriorPlus button?

    If none of the other options to process payments work for you, then get another account.

    What would you tell a client if they said they're trying to sell products but their paypal account got shut down? Follow that same advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author arkina
    Can you have a family member or spouse sign up for Paypal for you and use their account? Have you looked into Google Check Out, Nochex, Pro Pay, or Shrill? These are ones I have heard of people using. Good luck!

    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

    Alright Warriors

    You're going to have to bear with me because I am seriously having one of those days, where I'm thinking whats the sodding point. You Just Might As Will Give Up Completely If You Are Not Allowed To Use Paypal To Accept Payments from customers.

    I was just in the process of setting up two websites, one was going to be a coaching website and another was going to be sort of a deal blog/website

    My Paypal got permantly shut down two years ago. So I can never use them ever again. However alot of membership scripts, affiliate based comission compays (JVZOO) uses paypal..

    I know there are merchant account but most of them wants to charge something per month to use. But as yet I don't have any members etc...

    2checkout now doesn't allow you to sell ebooks/videos that you have got resale rights to..

    I know I need something that will even still accept payments from people using paypal.

    Btw I am based in the UK

    I'm just having a nightmare at the moment.. I want to get things finally up and runnning by the weekend.. But now I'm feeling not a chance..
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by arkina View Post

      Can you have a family member or spouse sign up for Paypal for you and use their account? Have you looked into Google Check Out, Nochex, Pro Pay, or Shrill? These are ones I have heard of people using. Good luck!

      Google checkout is changing over to something else, correct??
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  • Profile picture of the author SurrealPSD
    OP, I say you should give up mate.. this game isn't for you.

    ^ My advice
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by SurrealPSD View Post

      OP, I say you should give up mate.. this game isn't for you.

      ^ My advice

      Well that might be your advice but I am definately not going to give up.. Where there's a will there's a way!!
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  • You might as well because their will always be obstacles..
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    Why is this thread even this long?

    The answer is simple:

    1. Use friend or relative to open account under their name (and geez don't f#(% them over)
    2. Incorporate your business (cheap in most countries) and get a business account.

    /thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

      Why is this thread even this long?

      The answer is simple:

      1. Use friend or relative to open account under their name (and geez don't f#(% them over)
      2. Incorporate your business (cheap in most countries) and get a business account.

      /thread.
      My wifes already got an account but it's unverified.. All my concern is that once we go ahead and get it verified and then upgraded to business account.. If there will be any issues at all
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      • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
        Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

        My wifes already got an account but it's unverified.. All my concern is that once we go ahead and get it verified and then upgraded to business account.. If there will be any issues at all
        If you don't continue to violate the terms/conditions that got you banned in the first place with a new account, when your wife verifies her account there will be no problems at all.

        Ideally you would want to use a different bank account though if you guys have a joint one. That's more than easy to do and it is worth setting up a different account for your business anyway.
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    PayPal stealth. Problem solved.
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    I use payoneer beside paypal. With that card I can withdraw my money in any atm. It has credit card payout method , check payout method, very cool. =)
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Seriously OP just give up, this isn't for you, you do not have what it takes. This much is evident from this whole pathetic, whiny, topic.
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    Losers give up, winners keep going.
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  • Profile picture of the author giuseppepuma
    Hey buddy, also in the uk, so seems like your saying that Paypal shut you down... best alternative right now is to find a friend business partner in the uk that has a Paypal that you can negotiate terms with and from there you will be good to go... please message me if you need any more advice
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    What you need is a friend that has an active pay pal account to get you going. Make friends and become more social in your arena. Also, get motivated right now. Read the book:
    Timid Salesmen Have Skinny Kids!
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  • Profile picture of the author ClaraBr
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    Try ClickBank? Don't worry, I'm sure there are solutions. Like someone suggested before, maybe aks somebody else close to you to open a PayPal account that you can use to receive your payments from customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author webgenco
    Wanted to chime in quickly and say that I think you should consider the advice to at first launch a Clickbank product of your own while you are figuring out how to get another Verified Paypal account. You have to keep moving forward regardless of Paypal I also would suggest looking at Clicksure as well but they are not as good a platform as Clickbank. It is always preferable to own and sell your OWN products and not as difficult as you think! Also, if you haven't already done this, put together a written business and marketing plan complete with milestones, budgets, goals, strategies, etc. PM me if you would like an outline of successful ones I have done as an example Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author TrumpiaTim
    Have you considered using Authorize.net? They're a pretty solid merchant account.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by TrumpiaTim View Post

      Have you considered using Authorize.net? They're a pretty solid merchant account.
      Just speaking to them now, and they advise me that I do need a merchant account to use them...
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheService
    To get another Paypal account, use another business license/entity/ban account or partner with a friend, business partner, relative, or family member. Of course, they should be trustworthy and you need to explain your business to them. You may even want to offer them a percentage of your profits.
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by NicheService View Post

      To get another Paypal account, use another business license/entity/ban account or partner with a friend, business partner, relative, or family member. Of course, they should be trustworthy and you need to explain your business to them. You may even want to offer them a percentage of your profits.
      Just actually sorting things out with autorize.net
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