Spinning Articles Good or Bad?

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Hi Warriors I have written a few articles that I want to submit them to article directories. I don't know if I should submit the same article into multiple directories or spin the article, or should I just stick to one directory ? What is the best strategy to apply here ?
Also can someone tell me where should I look if I would like to outsource writing articles ?
Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by mostafa999 View Post

    Hi Warriors I have written a few articles that I want to submit them to article directories. I don't know if I should submit the same article into multiple directories
    It's better than spinning them, anyway. That would mean giving article directories unique content (if you spin them well enough) - a huge mistake, for all the reasons explained throughout this thread (not a long thread and worth a good read): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

    Originally Posted by mostafa999 View Post

    or should I just stick to one directory ?
    Yes. Unless you can find another one specific to your niche (never easy), once you submit to Ezine Articles, you probably won't get any extra benefits from submitting to any additional ones.

    Be clear, though, about why you're using an article directory, and what benefits you can, and can't, get from it. Explained in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

    Originally Posted by mostafa999 View Post

    or spin the article
    Not this.

    Spinning is based on a fundamental misunderstanding.

    It's a "solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist".

    A solution of benefit only to people selling spinning software and services.

    "Spinning" is without value. It can damage your business, but it can't help you. Everyone who actually makes a living from article marketing (rather than from supplying spinning software or services) says the same things about spinning. And there are reasons for that.

    The whole thing is based on a fallacy, and a misunderstanding about what "duplicate content" and "syndicated content" mean and signify.

    The value of a backlink doesn't depend on whether the content to which it's attached is "unique" or "previously published": it depends on many other things, but that isn't one of them, and Google says so openly.

    For people open-minded enough to read them, the following six items explain much more, at greater length and in greater detail.
    • this post explains the benefits of spinning
    • the first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles
    • the advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been really helpful to many people here
    • on the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!)
    • this little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject
    • this post, and its links, explain in detail the closely related subject of how article directories really work and why they exist
    There's a further potential problem, too, which arises for anyone intending to use "mass/automated submission" of articles to article directories.

    When used for that purpose, these tools are effective enough to get your site heavily penalized by Google. What they're not effective enough to do is to give you any benefits worth having (and that was the case even before the recent Google updates).

    Take a look in the SEO Forum here. You'll find plenty of threads started off by people whose sites have been heavily penalized, and many of them have been openly told by Google that using automated submission software was the reason.

    Using this stuff this has no real benefits anyway: backlinks from article directories are worthless, for all the reasons explained in this and many other "article marketing" threads: How do Article Directories work? Even for a year or so before all the Panda updates of 2011 devalued article directory backlinks so much, SEO textbook writers were saying that you'd need literally tens of thousands of those "backlinks" to give you same linkjuice as that arising from one good backlink on a quality site specifically relevant to your niche.

    Something to keep well away from!

    These threads might also help anyone imagining that mass article directory submission might be a "good" thing to do:

    A problem with Article Marketing robot
    Content - Instant Article Wizard
    Is anyone still using Article Samurai?
    Sites with spammy backlinks
    Calling out bad tactics
    How to use Magic Submitter to create backlinks to my ecommerce site?
    Is Seo link robot a good software?
    Magic Submitter SENuke still useful?
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  • Profile picture of the author SamirSM
    Originally Posted by mostafa999 View Post

    Hi Warriors I have written a few articles that I want to submit them to article directories. I don't know if I should submit the same article into multiple directories or spin the article, or should I just stick to one directory ? What is the best strategy to apply here ?
    Also can someone tell me where should I look if I would like to outsource writing articles ?
    Thanks
    It's best not to spin. Spun articles, no matter how good, aren't natural.

    Unless you are targeting Internet Virgins, those articles would be pretty much worthless.

    Better to use those articles once, but write more as follow-ups or branching-outs of topics in those articles.

    That way, you have to research less and yet are able to prove your expertise in the field.

    If you are just writing/getting articles on random topics, it's still better to stick to unique ones. The ones that get selected/approved (definitely more for unique) have a higher chance of converting.
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  • Profile picture of the author mostafa999
    @Alexa Smith Thank you really so much for this detailed reply , no words really can thank you , I will try to read of the threads you put there as much as I can .

    There is something I didn't quite get it when you said "Unless you can find another one specific to your niche (never easy)"

    I knew from your response is that spinning is worthless, but I didn't understand the conditions on when should I submit the same article in a different place could you please clarify it?
    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by mostafa999 View Post

      There is something I didn't quite get it when you said "Unless you can find another one specific to your niche (never easy)"
      Sorry ... in one or two niches there might be "subject-specific article directories" (I have heard of them, though I can't find them in any of my own niches at all). And if you could find that, it would be well worth trying in addition to Ezine Articles. No real downside, and even its backlink might in theory be worth something if it's a relevant site? (Maybe!) :confused:

      Originally Posted by mostafa999 View Post

      I knew from your response is that spinning is worthless, but I didn't understand the conditions on when should I submit the same article in a different place could you please clarify it?
      I submit the same article everywhere. My own site always first (and indexed there by Google before it goes to anyone else), then to my syndication network of publishers (as explained here), and finally a copy in Ezine Articles. All the same. No editing/amending/re-writing. I don't use any other directories at all. (I used to, a few - but it never helped me and I no longer bother).
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      • Profile picture of the author mostafa999
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Sorry ... in one or two niches there might be "subject-specific article directories" (I have heard of them, though I can't find them in any of my own niches at all). And if you could find that, it would be well worth trying in addition to Ezine Articles. No real downside, and even its backlink might in theory be worth something if it's a relevant site? (Maybe!) :confused:



        I submit the same article everywhere. My own site always first (and indexed there by Google before it goes to anyone else), then to my syndication network of publishers (as explained here), and finally a copy in Ezine Articles. All the same. No editing/amending/re-writing. I don't use any other directories at all. (I used to, a few - but it never helped me and I no longer bother).



        Thank You so much real life saving info and tips, I got what you said now I have another question if you don't mind, could you tell me any tips on how to build a list of syndication network of publishers, and how to contact them the right way
        Again Thank a lot for your help
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  • Profile picture of the author SamirSM
    Originally Posted by mostafa999 View Post

    Hi Warriors I have written a few articles that I want to submit them to article directories. I don't know if I should submit the same article into multiple directories or spin the article, or should I just stick to one directory ? What is the best strategy to apply here ?
    Also can someone tell me where should I look if I would like to outsource writing articles ?
    Thanks
    You could look at cheap writers who are just starting out, use a good proofreader.

    OR

    Hire good writers and no proofreader.

    Ultimately all you want is to get through the approval process of article directories.

    It all depends on your budget and requirements. Try freelancing sites and ask for samples.

    Try hiring from Warriors for Hire or some other forum.

    You could also try writing them yourself!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Stevens
    Depends on the quality of the spun articles. I have seen some that are readable. If you are posting to some of the higher level article directories I would just get them written. If you are getting backlinks I would not make them spammy but they don't have to be top notch either.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Thebestspinner and it takes alot of time to get all those synonyms to properly work and then they don't work just right.

    If you do a few you may get lucky. The thing with spinners they are used mainly for link building and that is all they care about. I would rather have it written in the right way than to spin it.

    I do own four spinners though lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author jorgesil
      I'll echo what other folks have said. It depends on your purpose.

      If you're aiming at just getting backlinks, then spin away.

      However, if you expect real people to read your articles and then visit your site, then don't spin.

      Generally speaking, spun articles are not meant for human consumption. Unless you take plenty of time and hand spin them, meaning rewrite 2 or 3 sentence variations, without using the "auto replace" function of most spinners.

      What you might consider is writing an article to get traffic, then spin it and submit the spun version to other directories (auto approve) to get backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TS Glickman
    Shoot for the long-term, and never spin articles!
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  • Profile picture of the author indefinitely
    If i were you, I would prefer making different articles for article directories. Let's make ourselves safe when thinking of google related services (SEO)
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by indefinitely View Post

      If i were you, I would prefer making different articles for article directories.
      As explained above, that would be a big mistake. For all the reasons explained in some detail in this thread, there's no sense in submitting "unique content" to an article directory: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

      Originally Posted by indefinitely View Post

      Let's make ourselves safe when thinking of google related services (SEO)
      We're not thinking of "Google-related services". At all. You're the person thinking of that. The rest of us are talking about article marketing. That has almost nothing to do with SEO. Besides which, in any case what you're thinking of as potentially "unsafe" rests only on your confusion between "duplicate content" and "syndicated content", which the rest of us know are two totally different things. The differences between the two are briefly explained in this post and this little article.

      If you want to see how large numbers of people are making their livings from article marketing, instead of repeating this tiresome stuff which is completely inaccurate and based only on misunderstandings, this may help you.

      Originally Posted by jorgesil View Post

      What you might consider is writing an article to get traffic, then spin it and submit the spun version to other directories (auto approve) to get backlinks.
      This is nonsense.

      And not only that, but it's nonsense which is damaging people's businesses. As so many have been saying: many Warriors have (correctly!) been reporting over the last year or so that that's a good way of being heavily penalized by Google, and it has no benefits at all, anyway!

      Take a look in the SEO Forum here. You'll find plenty of threads started off by people whose sites have been heavily penalized, and many of them have been openly told by Google that submitting spun articles to multiple directories was the reason.

      Using this stuff this has no real benefits anyway: backlinks from article directories are worthless, for all the reasons explained in this and many other "article marketing" threads: How do Article Directories work? Even for a year or so before all the Panda updates of 2011 devalued article directory backlinks so much, SEO textbook writers were saying that you'd need literally tens of thousands of those "backlinks" to give you same linkjuice as that arising from one good backlink on a quality site specifically relevant to your niche.

      Something to keep well away from!

      These threads might also help anyone imagining that mass article directory submission might be a "good" thing to do:

      A problem with Article Marketing robot
      Content - Instant Article Wizard
      Is anyone still using Article Samurai?
      Sites with spammy backlinks
      Calling out bad tactics
      How to use Magic Submitter to create backlinks to my ecommerce site?
      Is Seo link robot a good software?
      Magic Submitter SENuke still useful?
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe

        Anyone else getting the same feeling?

        (No offense intended, Mostafa, but this subject has taken more beatings than a rented mule...)
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  • Profile picture of the author Khemosabi
    Alexa, I wanted to say "thank you!".. for all of the information you give. I have a folder ....nevermind, no matter how I type that, it just sounds creepy! :p

    Without hijacking this thread, could you please point me in a direction? I am confused about protecting my content while using a pen name. You have mentioned before that you also use a pen name.

    Thank you!!!

    ~ Theresa
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    • Profile picture of the author marybest
      I do not agree that a spun content is always bad. You need to ask yourself first whether you need to spin for money or quality and hopefully find the right person clicking to your interest.

      If a writer spins all by himself without taking help of software, the quality side can be justified.

      The trick lies in finding the apt person who can do things from heart instead of targeting easy bucks.
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