Just made $91 in 10 minutes...scam?

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Wow. This is insane.

I was looking at products to promote on clickbank and came across a Roulette bot. This is an actual product in the clickbank marketplace.

Anyway, I was playing European Roulette with the bot running and in 10 minutes I won $91 on an online casino. I was winning like 8/10 rounds and it just continued.

I was using the free version so I didn't have the opportunity to make anymore money before purchasing, but I was talking to customer support with the online casino and they said the money will be deposited to my bank account within 7 days. So now I wait....I'll keep you guys posted within the next week or so on how things go. If all is well and the money is in fact deposited, I might have to go ahead and purchase this thing.

So Im seriously wondering...is this a scam? Have you guys had any experience with stuff like this? Im pretty excited but don't wanna get burned at the same time lol. And the fact that clickbank would allow a product like this in their marketplace if it's a scam beats me...

Drew
#main internet marketing discussion forum #$91 #made #minutesscam
  • If any of the online casinos find out your are running bots, and they will, then you will be liable to pay them back all of the money and possibly fines. So I wouldn't go spending any of it. I would guarantee their terms of use have all of these types of things listed.

    Remember, if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

    It's common knowledge if you keep doubling your bet in roulette you will never lose but the reason no one does it is because most cannot afford to since doubling your bet each time gets very expensive and you don't always win that much back in return.

    Move on. Spend your time building a real business.
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    • How would they find out though? Its not like they're looking over my shoulder lol. Wouldn't they just ban me for suspicious activity in my account?
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    • If the person is in the USA and the casino operating illegally to US customers, how could they get it back? I would have no doubt this is the case, but just curious how this might go down?
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    • Let me correct that for you....

      It is an undisputed, mathematical fact you cannot win at roulette. Doubling your bets is a path to bankruptcy.

      If someone had a 'bot' or other product to guess roulette bets, and a free version made some money, that sounds like an age-old sucker play to get someone to buy the product and then they start losing.

      The reason it is a mathematical fact you cannot win is because you can only bet on red or black, but the roulette wheel also includes one or two green spaces. That is the house advantage.

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    • Best advice of the day. You're on an internet marketing forum with alot of people here to help you. Start a legitimate site selling a legitimate product, and make money. It's not hard.
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    • Erm wrong, whilst bots are 99% crap, not every casino cares at all.

      Take Betfair for example, one of the biggest in the world online, they only care about bots if they are too resource intensive and put too much pressure on the website and slow it down for other users - ie thousands of people using the same bot all at once.

      Some people I know run bots in the betfair casino with support being fully aware of what they are doing. I would imagine they would actually probably love people using bots as like I said 99% are rubbish and will probably cause customers to lose more.
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    • Advice is to good too be true...
    • I totally agree with WillR to good to be true just stay away! Find a solid business model to follow for a long term online or off line business!

      Good Luck!
  • Drew,

    The house always wins. Trust me I have worked for a 'house' before. I know what they will do with you :-)

    There are some ways for profiting from gambling, all of which are hard work. An example is being a great poker player.

    This system is a scam. Take your $91 and enjoy it. It isn't profit. It is a few lucky spins. (I won $700+ putting $25 on 16 at a real casino a few months ago. That was luck too)
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  • I wonder how these bots are even remotely legal to be sold as products.

    Obviously casino's are the only winners, players don't stand a chance. People have lost their house, their family, their life savings and now comes a bot to help you win?

    Haha
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    • Im dead serious though...this thing is crazy. Win every 8/10 times? Fine by me. I deposited $22 and came up with $114. On autopilot.

      Of course I run the risk of getting banned, but maybe its worth it in the short term
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  • This is called the Martindale betting method, AKA "gambler's ruin".

    In theory, it will work. However, in reality what really happens is the house sets a maximum betting limit and once this limit is reached, it's the end of the Martingale, resulting in a catostrophic loss.

    The fact is, no betting method can overcome the house advantage. If there are 50 black beans in a paper bag and 50 red beans, it's still 50/50 no matter what size bet you have, or whether you won or lost any previous bets.

    And by using a betting system such as the Martingale, you are increasing your action (the amount of money you bet) at a disadvantage, increasing your net losses.

    When at a mathematical disadvantage, there are only two rational betting systems, and only one that truly makes sense:

    1. Don't bet at all. <- Makes sense.

    2. If you insist on playing, bet as little and as slowly as possible. The fewer bets made at a disadvantage, the more likely you will win.
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    It sounds to be a good one but i will definitely wait for that one week when you will get paid
    Keep us posted of your payment status,
    This will help in making informed decisions.
    Thank you.
  • Surely this has to be dodgy. There can't be any fun in having that money if you are always going to be worrying that you are going to have to pay it back at sometime.

    Like WillR said - 'Remember, if something sounds too good to be true, it usually is.'
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    • It may be unethical (keep it aside). Why should you put your efforts into a work where your talent and ability have nothing to do? Casinos are real bluff to the people. People only looses money there. Stay away from it.
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  • Yeah, go the legit way. There's lots of people here who are willing to offer help.
  • It's not a scam because you've just told us it works. The question is are you violating online casino ToS using a bot? I would be surprised if you are. I use Forex bots to make money on the side and they're totally legit.

    No system is a 100% guaranteed. You have to accept losses. The trick is to keep the win ratio up to about 80%.
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    • Honestly, that's exactly what I was thinking. I was looking over the ToS and didn't see anything about bots...but I'll have to take a second look.

      The truth is I really don't care if I get banned. No risk, no reward, right? If there's a robot that can make me an upwards of $100's per day on autopilot and I can do it without breaking the Tos, getting banned or having to pay back the money, I want in.

      Like I said I'll keep you guys posted in the next week or so on how it goes.
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  • A little off-topic, but I'll run with it...

    The problem with the Martingale strategy is not table limits. Yes, you'll eventually run into a problem with the table limit, but you can just as easily pick your butt up and go to a table with a higher limit and continue your run.

    Just because the wheel has hit red 12 times in a row does NOT make it any more likely to hit black (or green) on the next spin...so picking up and moving to a new table doesn't hurt you in the least.

    The problem is the exponential requirement of the betting.

    The casino is much more likely to break you rather than the other way around.

    5 - 10 - 20 - 40 - 80 - 160 - 320...

    And that's when it starts to get gnarly...

    640 - 1280 - 2560 - 5120 - all on one spin!
  • No it isn't. The problem is the table limit. If you had a fat stack money and no table limit, you would win.

    Anyway, you can't take away the house advantage, with or without a bot. I suggest you do some reading on this site:

    Wizard of Odds: The last word on gambling strategy
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    • That's absolutely untrue...you're wrong about this.

      When you hit the table limit, you can simply pick up, move to a table with a higher limit, and pick up where you left off.

      If you were betting on black and the table hit red 10 times in a row it is NO more likely to hit black on the next spin than it is every other time. There's nothing about that table that means black is just about to "pay off"

      You can simply pick yourself up, go to a table with a higher limit, and continue with your strategy...putting all of the chips on the next spin on the NEW table.

      In the example I used, let's say my next bet was $1,280 and it was over the table limit of $1K. I could simply pick up, go to a new table, and place my bet of $1,280. If I won on that spin I would win back all of my previous losses...plus $5 bucks.

      Let's say (just for example) that I hit the highest table limit in that entire casino. I could ask for an exception (which they may grant in this instance) or I can again...pick myself up and go to a new casino.

      I should add - I'm NOT condoning this strategy as valid. My point was that it's the exponential betting that will ultimately cause your downfall. (I know...if you mathematically never ran out of money it would continue to work...but we're talking real-world scenario)
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  • I fail to see how this is related to an internet marketing forum.
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    • It's a valid post on making money online which ultimately what we do in one form or another.
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    • I agree. How is this related to online marketing?
  • About 3 years ago I used to play Roulette for 1 hour a day and I banked about $250 per day. I had one of those systems and it worked great and never got caught ... however, it is not fool proof you can definitely lose a lot of money and FAST. Granted I was able to make over 30k in just a couple short months but the casino's started changing their rules like max bets and stuff like that which made it extremely hard.

    Needless to say I was ADDICTED!!!! but haven't gambled in 3 years after losing 8k in about 5 minutes
  • More dangers means more money...

  • Most casinos don't even have it in their terms that you cannot use a bot.

    At worst if they suspect you of doing something they didn't like they'll find a reason to ban you and confiscate any winnings.

    The end.
  • People use programs to cheat the casinos all the time, they are considered criminal tools. They don't have to have them in their terms of service. These online casinos are licensed and are protected by U.S laws. If you were to come under their radar, and the police decide to investigate, you could be in for a big surprise.

    Once that money hits your bank account, it will be hard to convince a jury that it just magically appeared there, that is if you were ever investigated by the authorities. Worse thing the casino can do, is report you to the police and provide what ever records they have.

    Cheating on an online game can get you banned, scamming a casino for money, is a real crime. Depending on what you make, you can get charged with petty theft, up to grand larceny or more.

    Of course I am not a lawyer or a prosecutor, but one phone call to an attorney or your local police station, can give you the right answer.

    § 18.2-95. Grand larceny defined; how punished.
    Any person who (i) commits larceny from the person of another of money or other thing of value of $5 or more, (ii) commits simple larceny not from the person of another of goods and chattels of the value of $200 or more, or (iii) commits simple larceny not from the person of another of any firearm, regardless of the firearm's value, shall be guilty of grand larceny, punishable by imprisonment in a state correctional facility for not less than one nor more than twenty years or, in the discretion of the jury or court trying the case without a jury, be confined in jail for a period not exceeding twelve months or fined not more than $2,500, either or both.
    (Code 1950, § 18.1-100; 1960, c. 358; 1966, c. 247; 1975, cc. 14, 15, 603; 1980, c. 175; 1991, c. 710; 1992, c. 822; 1998, c. 821.)
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    • You guys are funny. Casino is the software owners. You place the bet before they revealing the outcome. So? They already know you put it on RED/Black or whatever.
      So it's like

      If bet = Red And Client won 2 time in the row
      then
      outcome =black
      else
      outcome =black
      end if

      That's it, you lose, sorry


      I can see some kind of "luck" on actual physical table but online??? Are you kidding me. They can just place criteria to win 20-30% all the time.. Who's going to stop them? After all this is all coded, common, don't be so naive..
  • There is no such thing as a cheating tool for roulette. Each spin of the wheel is independent of other spins. Card games which draw from the same deck on the other hand can be cheated.

    Your $91 in ten minutes was no more lucky than walking into a casino and going up $91 shortly after arriving. The roulette bot didn't do that for you.
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    • I was wondering if it was possible to win with a bot, but then he said he won $350 with the pro version on auto pilot. I am starting to think he is promoting his own product
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  • Isn't this a marketing forum? Lol who gives a shit about some bots or online money-grabs uhhh I mean casinos...
  • Using a standard casino bot is not cheating. All a bot is is a small macro program that plays the perfect game for you on auto pilot. Many casinos themselves offer auto pilot modes on slots and some even on table games.

    You are NOT manipulating the system or cheating or defrauding anyone. You are just playing the game on auto pilot.

    This silly bot he has for roulette does not figure out ways to predict the numbers that are going to come out even if that's what it claims to do. Any money he won was luck.

    The only way you can make guaranteed money through online casinos is when generous bonuses with +EV games are available to you and by playing the perfect game (which you can use the bot for or do manually).

    If there's no bonus available then any money you make using a bot is pure luck.
  • This thread cracks me up!

    Flag casinos - there's way better ways to make $91 in 10 mins of work!
  • You might want to consider spending your time on something that will work in the long run.
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  • screw that I will show you how to make $100 in 7 mintutes
  • The only person making money on that kind of deal is the person selling the software or ebook. They will promise to give you something that will easily quadruple your investment and it seems like a no lose deal. But many times, you will end up being banned from the sites you use the software on.
  • Drew... stay away from, it I was talking the same 1 year ago
  • I've experimented with online casinos before, particularly using roulette tricks like the one OP mentioned, except it was manual. At one point I was at 5-6k a month, and it apparently did work at that particular casino but that soon changed and I lost my entire bankroll.

    Moral of the story? Don't try it.
  • Don't ever think of making money off those online casinos, if you want to make money this way then at least go to a real one offline, online casinos are set up to make money from you in a long run, they may give you some wins at first, but will take it back all plus some from you in the end.
  • Lol you'll eventually lose all your money + more with these bots.

    Casinos love players who think they found a way to cheat the system. They're the easiest to fool.

    It's a great way to sell affiliate offers though. If you had a video of you winning the bucks with a bot, you could sell the bot and use affiliate sign ups from the casino to make money off the first deposit.
  • Of course it's a scam.
  • I have read of these bots before for real trading and gambling. It is my understanding that they lure you in with easy money in the demo, but once you buy, the scenery changes.

    Alternatively, it is beginners luck. It is a known fact new sharetraders in a positive frame of mind make easy money to begin with. Then they give up their work and get into it full-time, with averse results. Been there myself, however trading is not gambling if you know what you are doing, and put in time to study and practice.

    Take the wise tips from the members above this post and build a solid business online. Offering a good product or service and being rewarded with pay is a natural way to make money, and spiritual.

    Anyone who has been successful at gambling, treat it like a business, i.e they know when to go in, and know when to get out, they cut their losses and call it a day. However, they study it and know what they are doing.

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