Is there any point in Spinning Articles in 2013?

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Hi there,

just wondering what your opinion/knowledge is about article spinning in 2013.
Is there any point in doing it?

I obviously refer to spinning articles that point to our backlinking and Web 2 properties, not to be used as main content or on our main site!

Would love to hear what your take on this is.

Cheers!
#2013 #articles #point #spinning
  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Assuming penguin does not evolve to the point it starts ranking a backlink source's content quality, you shouldn't worry.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyisonline
      Oh gawl...here we go again. Somebody said the 'S' word.

      Yeah. The point in spinning is to make one or several words in a group of words different than the original word. That's the point of spinning. Nothing genius about that.

      There are some who are very good at it, but you'll never know because you can't detect it. Then there are others who suck at it (replacing ford with swim) and they can be found every flipping where. :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author limerickbob
        I think a better question may be how relevant are articles in 2013 and beyond? With everything pointing toward Video, including Google of course because they own YouTube, that seems to be the way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Sunnysmiles,

    the point is, don't ask a writer or article marketer

    If you want to know whether there is a point in article spinning you will need to ask SEOs, mainly those who have their own blog networks or use them on tier 2.0 properties.

    One criterium I always hear is "stick-rate"....if people tell you that spun articles "stick" as long as "normal" articles it should answer your question. I myself cannot answer this since I "only" do the spins but don't use them myself or have any blog network at the moment and also don't do any web2.0 right now myself. Looking at the fact that I still have clients who request spins I would assume there is still a merit for spins. Some clients however alternate and order spins and then rewrites (very good quality, I need to add) and then make their own observations what sort of article works best.

    The problem here is that blog networks or web2.0 have other problems associated with them, so if some client's network or web2.0 properties would not be as effective anymore it can also have other reasons, not necessarily the quality of the spins. It would be a fallacy to say that the reason the web2.0 etc. don't rank anymore is the spun articles when in reality there are other reasons playing a role.

    Edit: If I were for some reason still be convinced that web2.0 (say: SenukeX) 'works' for ranking I would of course use spins as content. However, I don't use such software anymore but this has nothing to do with spins per se.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    Article Spinning still works for some people in 2013, but for me personally, i am a busy man so i just outsource it to content writers. I find that after spinning articles i have to go through it thoroughly for it to make sense. So why not read an article online and write it in your own words or interpretation?
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  • Profile picture of the author Charanjit
    It is a tricky question, the issue is value, best thing to do is testing, how much value does google put on unique content / scraped content / spun. Personally money site = content written by my self or better. Tier 1 spun but spun to a very high level, tier 2 spun with few mistakes, tier 3 /4/5 spun but with less care.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by sunnysmiles View Post

    just wondering what your opinion/knowledge is about article spinning in 2013.
    Is there any point in doing it?
    No, none at all. Although I see some people selling spinning services already trying to tell you otherwise. :rolleyes:

    Spinning is nonsense.

    It's based on a fundamental misunderstanding.

    It's a "solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist" - and a solution of benefit only to people selling spinning software and services.

    Spinning is without value. It can damage your business, but it can't help you. Everyone who actually makes a living from article marketing (rather than from supplying spinning software or services) says the same things about spinning. And there are reasons for that.

    The whole thing is based on a fallacy, and a misunderstanding about what "duplicate content" and "syndicated content" mean and signify.

    The value of a backlink doesn't depend on whether the content to which it's attached is "unique" or "previously published": it depends on many other things, but that isn't one of them, and Google says so openly.

    For people open-minded enough to read them, the following six items explain much more, at greater length and in greater detail.
    • this post explains the benefits of spinning
    • the first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles
    • the advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been really helpful to many people here
    • on the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!)
    • this little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject
    • this post, and its links, explain in detail the closely related subject of how article directories really work and why they exist
    There's a further potential problem, too, which arises for anyone intending to use "mass/automated submission" of articles to article directories.

    When used for that purpose, these tools are effective enough to get your site heavily penalized by Google. What they're not effective enough to do is to give you any benefits worth having (and that was the case even before the recent Google updates).

    Take a look in the SEO Forum here. You'll find plenty of threads started off by people whose sites have been heavily penalized, and many of them have been openly told by Google that using automated submission software was the reason.

    Using this stuff this has no real benefits anyway: backlinks from article directories are worthless, for all the reasons explained in this and many other "article marketing" threads: How do Article Directories work? Even for a year or so before all the Panda updates of 2011 devalued article directory backlinks so much, SEO textbook writers were saying that you'd need literally tens of thousands of those "backlinks" to give you same linkjuice as that arising from one good backlink on a quality site specifically relevant to your niche.

    Something to keep well away from!

    These threads might also help anyone imagining that mass article directory submission might be a "good" thing to do:

    A problem with Article Marketing robot
    Content - Instant Article Wizard
    Is anyone still using Article Samurai?
    Sites with spammy backlinks
    Calling out bad tactics
    How to use Magic Submitter to create backlinks to my ecommerce site?
    Is Seo link robot a good software?
    Magic Submitter SENuke still useful?
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    • Profile picture of the author sunnysmiles
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      No, none at all. Although I see some people selling spinning services already trying to tell you otherwise. :rolleyes:

      Spinning is nonsense.

      It's based on a fundamental misunderstanding.

      It's a "solution to a problem that doesn't actually exist" - and a solution of benefit only to people selling spinning software and services.

      Spinning is without value. It can damage your business, but it can't help you. Everyone who actually makes a living from article marketing (rather than from supplying spinning software or services) says the same things about spinning. And there are reasons for that.

      The whole thing is based on a fallacy, and a misunderstanding about what "duplicate content" and "syndicated content" mean and signify.

      The value of a backlink doesn't depend on whether the content to which it's attached is "unique" or "previously published": it depends on many other things, but that isn't one of them, and Google says so openly.

      For people open-minded enough to read them, the following six items explain much more, at greater length and in greater detail.
      • this post explains the benefits of spinning
      • the first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles
      • the advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been really helpful to many people here
      • on the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!)
      • this little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject
      • this post, and its links, explain in detail the closely related subject of how article directories really work and why they exist
      There's a further potential problem, too, which arises for anyone intending to use "mass/automated submission" of articles to article directories.

      When used for that purpose, these tools are effective enough to get your site heavily penalized by Google. What they're not effective enough to do is to give you any benefits worth having (and that was the case even before the recent Google updates).

      Take a look in the SEO Forum here. You'll find plenty of threads started off by people whose sites have been heavily penalized, and many of them have been openly told by Google that using automated submission software was the reason.

      Using this stuff this has no real benefits anyway: backlinks from article directories are worthless, for all the reasons explained in this and many other "article marketing" threads: How do Article Directories work? Even for a year or so before all the Panda updates of 2011 devalued article directory backlinks so much, SEO textbook writers were saying that you'd need literally tens of thousands of those "backlinks" to give you same linkjuice as that arising from one good backlink on a quality site specifically relevant to your niche.

      Something to keep well away from!

      These threads might also help anyone imagining that mass article directory submission might be a "good" thing to do:

      A problem with Article Marketing robot
      Content - Instant Article Wizard
      Is anyone still using Article Samurai?
      Sites with spammy backlinks
      Calling out bad tactics
      How to use Magic Submitter to create backlinks to my ecommerce site?
      Is Seo link robot a good software?
      Magic Submitter SENuke still useful?
      Wow, Alexa, thanks you so much for the insight and the very clear explanation!!
      I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience with me (well, with us!).

      Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author faisalmaximus
    I use spinning articles not for original content of website, but for creating backlinks. While spinning, I always try to keep my output articles 100% readable. I use Spin ReWriter which produce 99% spun articles which are 100% readable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Klemen Znidar
    For creating backlinks it's fine. But I only use it to create backlinks to my backlinks, not direct to my sites. I make direct links as quality as possible (and money site too ofcourse)
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    I dont spin anything any more...

    I like to sleep at night and not worry about the content i am putting out on the web :-)

    Danny
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Unanimity among the Cutts family, even.
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    • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
      Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

      I like to sleep at night and not worry about the content i am putting out on the web :-)
      Danny
      Be assured as long as Google exists and your marketing and income, in some way, would depend on Google..there is ALWAYS a reason to worry. You know it's true

      That being said, yes if you put content somewhere and need to "worry" about this content, you are doing something wrong...no matter what that content is and how it's created...
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  • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
    Ok, I realise I'm being thick here. What is the point of spinning? A backlink is a backlink. If you have a good article, why destroy it by spinning it? Just post it to as many sites as you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Abysz
    I would rather avoid spinning the article to avoid the possibility of Google detection. Why invite potential issues from Google when one can avoid them. Stick with original and high quality articles instead. It's a safe way.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Was there ever a point in spinning articles?

      Once upon a time (beginning of 2011), rather than ask if there was a point in spinning, I spun. I also published unspun articles on many sites (article directories and web 2.0).

      The results of my mini tests:
      Google got pissed at me for mass submitting spun content for 4 (related) keywords.
      Google did not get pissed at me for mass submitting unspun content for 4 (related) keywords. Didn't like me, either. I.e, not extra visitors, no extra clicks, no extra mula.
      I hand-published original articles on article directories and web 2.0 for 4 (related) keywords. Got a mini-bump in rankings, and a handful of extra visitors. Not enough to make it worth my time.
      I published original articles on 9 sites I owned or controlled for 4 (related) keywords. I got a big bump in rankings, traffic, moola.

      My conclusions: find sites that Google loves and, whether through ranking high in Google or other reasons, gets tons of visitors interested in your niche. A handful of links from such sites is going to be worth thousand of links from spun articles.

      There were variables I did not control for, but, in my case, I figured 650 or so backlinks from article directories and web 2.0 = 1 backlink from 1 page with a pr of 1 on a site that gets a few hundred visitors a month. Yes, a bit vague... but, rather than ask, and hear other people's opinion, most of whom have never tested... run a test or 2 of your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerbeef
    Straight out of the box spun articles don't work or some do, but the value passed is minimal (if you are lucky).

    You really need to put in the effort to make spun content "worthy" in Google's eyes these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    If you are in the business of creating crap for a few measly dollars and a worthless business then yes spin content.

    Someone mentioned Google... who cares what Google thinks... care about the customers that read your content.
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    • Profile picture of the author Pilotben
      I am very bad at spinning articles. Have tried it before and failed miserably. Even though I used "the best spinner", I could not for the life of me see the real value. Sure you get backlinks and what not, but I focus on the content people read, like a lot of people said here and on many different posts on the warrior forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    If you use a low-quality spin articles, you are wasting your time.
    If you use a high-quality spin articles, it can help you in backlinking.

    Similarly...

    If you use a low-quality original article, it doesn't help your website
    If you use a high-quality original article, you can get a lot of natural backlinks.

    Similarly...

    If you use ONLY spinned articles in your money sites, get ready for trouble from Google
    If you use a mix of spinned articles along with originals, it's fine in the long run.

    The moral of the story is: 1) Don't overdo it, 2) If you wanna spin, spin them well.
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