Another newbie tried to sell me an "Article Marketing Course"

Sorry, but this is exactly what the internet marketing niche is. :p

"Success" isn't getting an article approved by ezinearticles then writing a wso on your long a tiring journey to the top.

well said, I agree with that... You need to focus on obtaining leads to build a long term biz with article marketing rather then trying to direct sell through article marketing

So you are saying that the OP didn't do her research and are just guess gaming that this "Someone" is a newbie.

Are this what you are saying??

I assume the OP knows what she talks about by doing her research or she could even see the lack of knowledge by this "newbie?"

Your list is great with Zig Ziglar and the likes, but they have no reason to be mentioned along unless you Know OPs point of view.

You have bias which tells she lacks in knowledge, and a "Green thumb" from a "Master" can't get determined by her.

Also our knowledge level are different too, Achilles1963 may have gone out of the most basic Article Marketing states and are now a Veteran article Marketer, so there's no need to follow Newbie advice. Think about it.

Achilles, if no one is selling something it could be because no one is buying. Competition is a good thing because it means there is demand. There's definitely a lot of crap products in the "make money" niche but make no mistake its a market with a seemingly endless appetite.

Achilles...don't take this wrong , I mean no offense, But yes what your saying does seem silly if you think about it in the right way.
Your profile say you live in Denver.....how many STARBUCKS are in your area?
Where I live it seems like there is one on every corner!....but why? Because a LOT of people BUY & DRINK Coffee.

Do you see what I'm saying....Like mike collins said, " the make money niche has an endless appetite" if your a newbie or old school there is allways money to be made in the IM niche, at different levels, with more and more people getting online EVERY day, and wanting the freedom that IM brings, even if evrybody and his brother is selling IM products, it will never be flooded.

Once you make yer bones a little, find what worked for you, there will allways be someone willing to buy that knowledge.
I think you stand a better chance of making money with an IM product rather than with cutlery.

Just My 2

It is possible, although unlikely that a newbie will have a ground-breaking idea.

I have been doing IM for a little more than a year now and while I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed I certainly have figured out a few little tricks here and there on my own that have really helped my profits grow.

Now although nobody knows who I am it doesn't necessarily mean that what I have to offer is worthless.

The question is how much is it worth? Even Frank Kern started out somewhere.

I'm going to have to disagree with the majority of you and side with MobileEyeGuy and dave_667.

I understand what you all are saying, "the blind leading the blind", they have no right teaching it because X, Y and Z... It overcrowds the market, yada yada yada... And I can see how they are valid points to each of you.

At the same time though, I don't think that you have to have the real life experience to know what to do. Sure of course that would be the preferred method, but that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done if you know what you're talking about.

Suppose you are a cigarette smoker... Could you tell someone else how to quit? I mean, if you're a smoker... don't you "know" how to quit, even though you haven't done it yourself?

(If you don't I'll help you out, and now you'll be able to pass it on... Quit putting that darn thing in your mouth and lighting it. There, now spread the word.)

In fact, most people don't do much reading, and therefore if you were to read, for example 5-10 books from experts that did know what they were talking about that had the experience, don't you think that that person would now Substantially MORE than someone that has not read a single book on that topic? So wouldn't you technically be percieved as an expert in the eye of that other person.

Even the top IM Gurus are not Gurus to other top Gurus in the same field, because they posses similar knowledge.

I think that many IMers forget that they once too were newbies, and that they didn't even know what a domain name was at one time. (that goes for EVERYONE of us)

A perfect example of this was me with Real Estate Investing. At one time, I did not even know what the word "mortgage" meant. And yet I saw one of those late night infomercials that I'm sure all too many of you are familiar with... and ended up purchasing the course. I listened to it so many times that I could literally listen to the beginning of any sentence and finish this man's words.

I then later ended up seeing an ad in my local newspaper for the company that I learned about real estate investing from, and because I had studied so much and internalized it, I ended up becoming a Real Estate Advisor for the company. I later quit the company and invested in Real Estate and made good money (turns out I hated it though and which helped me to realize my true calling as an IMer...everything happens for a reason!)

So while I had started by investing in my first piece of property, I was for sure still a newb when I took the position as an advisor. So my point is, I was a newb, teaching other newbs... but I was an educated newb on the subject i was teaching. And I'm sure I helped many people make a lot of money.

There was a company that my friends were involved with that promoted self improvement and top selling books and courses. I notieced that Tony Robbins wasn't in there at all, and when I asked about this, they said that they left him out because he made money from telling people how to be successful before he actually was...

This was absolutely ridiculous to me considering his MASSIVE success and knowing that he has helped SOO many people, and if you are familiar with Tony's work, you know what a loss this was for the people in this company. That is actually one of the things that turned me off from it. I mean, obviously, he got a couple things right... don't you think? And if that is true what they said, he did it knowing what to do even though he had not yet done it himself....

Just think of all the lives that would not have been positively impacted by Tony Robbins if he held that poor philosophy. (tens of thousands of people...)

Finally, there are SO many people out there that are coming into the IM world everyday, let alone the ones that just got started yesterday, the day before (and so on and so on....) that it doesn't really matter if it becomes "flooded" with newbies trying to teach newbies as long as they're delivering on good quaility applicable content.

There is only abbundance in this world. If you already know what another person is teaching, then just DON'T Buy Their Product! lol...

And as far as this part...

While everybody is obviously always selling something to somebody, whether to your kids, customers, friends or prospects on or offline... having "Sales Experience" is not the same as having Internet Marketing Experience (as I'm 100% sure 100% of all in the know IMers will agree). I'm sure that there are plenty of IMers on the forum here that have more IM experience but less sales experience than you that are making substantially more money than you. Being a great salesman is a part of the process (gaining rapport, eliciting their outcome etc...), but that alone is not enough to succeed here.

And did you ever think that these people simply do all of this becasue they simply are doing the best they can with what they have and just don't know a better way? I'm sure when you first started out in sales, you made 95% of the same rookie mistakes as the rest of us sales people when we first got started. And if you didn't, then you probably learned from someone that had already gone through the trials and tribulations, or read some good literature by someone that had.

In fact, if you didn't make 95% of the mistakes in the beginning, you obviously knew enough about the trade, and you should have written a book about it!

ha ha ha... lol... too funny..

I know this was a long post, but something just kind of got to me about this.

One last thing for newbies that DO want to teach other newbies... Google IMA John Reese and see if you can find that initial video he had for his IMA course.

Instead of trying to pretend you know it all, or if you'd rather gain experience before giving out advice, don't try to put yourself off as a "GURU"... instead, think of yourself as a consultant or an advisor that can recommend OTHER people's products and services that do have the real life experience.

Peace Out,

~Russell Prisco =)

Hmm... a topic right up my alley.

As the net is constantly changing, so are the products and services. Everyone is always trying to 'one up' one another. Maybe their course is a new method, have you considered that? Or at the very least, you should always be interested in what your competition has to offer. You may have overlooked something that they can capitalize on.

Now, I don't claim to be an expert in Article Marketing, or Internet Marketing by any means.
I am first and foremost a 'directory owner' just trying to bring worthy products to my members.
Everyone who uses articles for promoting their own product or service, is just looking for the
simplest way to automate their efforts with the most cost-effective solutions.

Whether you're a newbie submitting an article for the first time, or you dominate the article marketing industry, everyone wants the same results. I have yet to find that perfect course... as it's evolutionary!

And since I'm in the process of bringing effective article marketing methods to my members,
maybe the pro's would be willing to share what they know. Consider it an open invitation for a JV.
Care to put your money where your mouth is?

I'm all ears...

Heck! Bill Gates and Paul Allen were once newbies themselves. The IBM thing fell into their laps because Gary Kildall passed on it.

I say keep tryin and don't ever give up! You never know when that break thru is going to happen.

One name not mentioned above is Tim Gorman, who I would consider is the best in terms of teaching article marketing.
But as for "newbies" creating products, it depends on the quality.
Everybody does have to start somewhere, even Reese and Kern.

Oh My Freaking God!!! how obtuse can some people really be, I didn't write the post to pick on newbies, I was trying to make a point about "Get Rich Quick Schemes" that apparently just went over a lot of peoples heads, it reminds me of that old "Missing Persons" song, what are words for if nobody listens at all :rolleyes: