Is anyone making money with clickbank anymore?

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I was a be a big fan of promoting ClickBank products, but now I am beginning to feel it is a waste of time. The products are not only tough to convert, but the refund rate is so high it is hard to earn money. I wanted to give physical products a try, but now you have to worry about the tiny commissions. Is there anyone still making money from CB and if they are what methods are you using? What type of products are you promoting? Do you go for CB products in a certain price range? I am at my wits end here. :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Yes I am still making money with clickbank and I'm not using any different methods. As for the high refund rates, well... that depends on the product not on the network. Find a good product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by John Atkins View Post

      As for the high refund rates, well... that depends on the product not on the network.
      It can depend a little on the product, but anything with high refund-rates across its whole range of affiliates is quickly removed from the Marketplace. Mostly, it depends on the affiliates and their pre-selling methods.

      There are certainly large numbers of people here making their full-time livings by promoting ClickBank products as affiliates. Doubtless you'll hear from some, Robin.

      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      the refund rate is so high it is hard to earn money.
      The IM and MMO niches have higher refund-rates than the other 298-ish niches represented at ClickBank (but there's little point in promoting any of those as an affiliate anyway, for the reasons explained here). Other than that, the refund-rates vary enormously between different affiliates for the same products, because they're mostly determined by how the product is pre-sold.

      As ClickBank will confirm, if you discuss it with them, some affiliates selling a wide range of different products have refund-rates well below 1% for all the products they promote, while others have refund rates over 10% for everything they sell (maybe even more?), and that's an absolutely enormous, more-than-tenfold discrepancy!

      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      Is there anyone still making money from CB and if they are what methods are you using?
      I use these methods, and here's a brief summary (with links!) of everything I do: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5721774

      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      What type of products are you promoting?
      Never anything to do with IM/MMO.

      Never anything with very high gravity ( http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2495251 )

      Apart from that, I just promote products in niches I like that fit these criteria: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      Do you go for CB products in a certain price range?
      I tend, slightly, to go for the highest-priced ones I can, but a lot of the money in affiliate marketing comes from selling repeated/different products to the same subscribers, so one needs a range of prices, really.

      I do tend not even to look at anything that would pay me less than $25 commission per sale, I admit, but that's just a personal preference.

      My "subscriber demographics", as an affiliate, are "article marketing traffic", and I do find that more expensive products are a little easier to sell, overall, to that crowd.
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  • Profile picture of the author pingsters
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    They key in click bank is to make sure you pick the right product. Lot of aff marketers have failed because they market x product to z costumers
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  • Profile picture of the author angel1987
    You will need a good quality of traffic to earn from clickbank. Random visitors won't help, you need to get targeted visitors and promote only relevant clickbank offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    Never anything to do with IM/MMO.
    Would this apply to anything that has to do with the make money niche or just internet marketing? Also what about selling such items in the form of physical info products?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      Would this apply to anything that has to do with the make money niche or just internet marketing?
      I was only answering your question "What type of products are you promoting?".

      Personally, I don't (and wouldn't) promote anything in any IM or MMO niches at all. I'm not, of course, saying that nobody else should. Clearly, however, there's little sense in promoting as an affiliate at ClickBank any products for which any significant proportion of the potential customers might themselves already be ClickBank affiliates, is there? They're hardly going to buy through a referring affiliate's hoplink when ClickBank allows them to buy through their own?

      (That's why some of those products have such high gravities, of course: it's not that they're selling well - it's the fact that so many people just buy one copy, each through their own hoplink, so the gravity rises and rises and rises, though the sales numbers may actually be comparatively small, compared with many of the products I'm promoting with gravities around 5 or so, some of which are selling by the thousand. But I digress ...).

      Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

      Also what about selling such items in the form of physical info products?
      I have no experience of it at all, Robin, sorry. But unless I've misunderstood your question, the inescapable point above (regarding not being paid commissions for the sales you refer when customers buy through their own hoplinks) seems to me to be entirely unaffected by whether the products themselves are digital or physical?
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    I'm still making a pretty decent amount of money with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Th3guide
    You will need a good quality of traffic to earn from clickbank
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    alexa is spot on. I am still doing about 10k a month with list building, PPC and other methods I do not really want to divulge on in here just now.

    If you are not building a list with clickbank, do not expect to make much, after years of testing, and doing different things for me this still works the best, and yes for all the several niches I am in.

    ANyhone that writes clickbank off, is either not into list building or has tried getting about 100 visitors to their affiliate offer and no sales, they give up. It does not work like that.

    These days and after the financial crisis back in 2008, its seems you have to give much more, and gain more trust to make a sale, and rightly so. Just think about when you have ever made a purchase offline, you think about, you go back to the shop, you look, you touch you get a good feel, and go back and talk it over with you partner. Then after a bit more time, when you have slept on it you buy. This is how I see buyers nowadays online.

    There is no more just GOOGLE PPC to your clickbank offer, Those days are long gone, and will never be coming back.

    I work my arse off to, I did not just go from $5 a day to $10k a day, it take time, listbuilding failing at something, and killing it at others, and when you have a winner you just outsource and upscale. That works well for me.

    BUt again, if you are -

    1) not getting high quality traffic, and

    2) Not building a list

    Expect not to make too many sales on clickbank. I know a vendor here in australia, that makes alot more than me, but he is doing those 2 things above...they are critical if you want to hit it out the ball park with clickbank.
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    • Profile picture of the author Julius Minor
      I still make money through Clickbank.. From list building and with Youtube..
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      • Profile picture of the author celente
        Originally Posted by Julius Minor View Post

        I still make money through Clickbank.. From list building and with Youtube..
        smart! I have found in 2013 subscribers in youtube, and subscribers you get from good quality youtube vids to your site, are far better than most other traffic.

        It seems they are better in a psychological condition to be sold too, especially if your videos are killer.
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  • Profile picture of the author giuseppepuma
    Yes, having the right products, i make money with membership sites, and promote cb products to my list, so you can, but warrior forum probs better...
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  • Profile picture of the author flovin
    Well I am still making some money there though not much.
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  • Profile picture of the author work2bfree
    I'm in agreement with John. It does depend on the product. I use CBEngine to do research on any products that I might be considering to promote. I believe it still costs $27 for a lifetime membership; at least that is what I paid for it. It is a good tool to have in your arsenal.

    Thank you for letting me share...
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    It is true, IM or make money online products are showing a high refund rate on Click bank
    people are very wary of scams so they are very skeptical. Try products in the Health section, thousands of persons are desperately seeking health solutions so these product convert better. But most importantly is keyword research for high converting keywords in the niche you choose.
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  • Profile picture of the author dollar cashflow
    i am beginning to make money back as well, it all depends on how good the products is, products dont fail only affiliates do. i have come to discover this through my hard learning process
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  • Profile picture of the author AnkurS
    In my case : preselling is important when promoting CB offers. I've had crappy conversions when I did not presell and have done very well when I did (also gave away some free stuff before & not as a bonus)

    Overall, I've been doing well, changing strategies as and when needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author basse
    I still earn with clickbank but I have noticed a small downfall the last years. Feels like the bigger boys use other networks then clickbank now.
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  • Profile picture of the author jillempower
    Great going guys! I have been trying to establish my self with click bank but its still not working for me, can you guys share to me how you started it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    If you have targeted traffic, you will still make money with clickbank. List building, youtube vids and products reviews are methods you should use.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Moneymaking and Internet Marketing products always have higher refund rates compared to other products. You know people who buy IM products are the same people who sell IM products so they know how to play the game... Promote products about plastic surgery, woodworking, solar panel/energy, beauty and health, etc and you'll get low-to-non refund. I am speaking based on experience. I have 1 to 2 refund out of 50 products sold on how to grow taller...
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    • Profile picture of the author lancelotw
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      Moneymaking and Internet Marketing products always have higher refund rates compared to other products. You know people who buy IM products are the same people who sell IM products so they know how to play the game... Promote products about plastic surgery, woodworking, solar panel/energy, beauty and health, etc and you'll get low-to-non refund. I am speaking based on experience. I have 1 to 2 refund out of 50 products sold on how to grow taller...
      Hey Adie!

      Are You an Affiliate for Grow Taller Products? or a Vendor?

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  • Profile picture of the author hometutor
    Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

    I was a be a big fan of promoting ClickBank products, but now I am beginning to feel it is a waste of time. The products are not only tough to convert, but the refund rate is so high it is hard to earn money. I wanted to give physical products a try, but now you have to worry about the tiny commissions. Is there anyone still making money from CB and if they are what methods are you using? What type of products are you promoting? Do you go for CB products in a certain price range? I am at my wits end here. :confused:
    Until someone files a class action law suit forcing companies who authorize refunds 50% or more of the time to offer free DRM I would only use a me company such as Clickbank if my product was protected. Paydotcom gives the vendor control of refunds via Paypal who actually listens to vendors

    Rick
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Yes and you can too

    The product I sell the most of in there has a 10% refund rate.

    Its only people in the make money space who know they can just send an email to clickbank to get an automatic refund and many do right after they purchase and download their purchase.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Cook
    For IM products, use clickbank, but not exclusively. If you know the type of product that sells well, and you see one on clickbank, go for it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Teddy T
    Clickbank products definitely still sell as long as they're shown to the right traffic. High refund rates for IM products? Definitely. You might wanna check out other affiliate platforms like warrior plus/JVZoo. Be sure to build a list to sell over and over again. Also try doing joint ventures if you're able to find suitable partners. Just look around.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nisip
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    The high refunds rates depend only on the scammy products that the product owners sell,
    with deceptive video sales letters.

    The affiliates are unfortunately only the constant victims of the product creators deceptive lies they use in the video sales letters, which lead to high refund rates...
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    • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
      Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

      The affiliates are unfortunately only the constant victims of the product creators deceptive lies they use in the video sales letters, which lead to high refund rates...
      Whoa is the poor affiliate. lol

      They have a choice and an opportunity to see things for what they are with a little due dilligence.

      It's the CUSTOMERS who are "unfortunately only the constant victims of the product creators deceptive lies they use int he video sales letters, which lead to high refund rates...

      But then again, they too have a choice and an opportunity to see things for what they really are with a little due dilligence.
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      • Profile picture of the author Simon Farmer
        I still make a lot of money on ClickBank, and I have to say that I don't really any problems with them except for the fact that that make it soooo easy for customers to get a refund.

        Nine times out of ten you will find that the REAL reason for a refund isn't because the product isn't any good, it's because the customer wants to have the product for free.

        I'm a vendor on ClickBank with products not in the IM niche and I know for a fact that 99% of my customers do not know the information I'm teaching them because it took me years of research and trial and error to perfect what I teach.

        The reason I know I'm right it because I can almost predict the people who will ask for a refund.

        There are countries in particular who just don't like to pay for their products and so they buy a product and then 9 times out of 10 they will ask for a refund.

        If you are a vendor then you will no doubt no what I'm talking about, but the thing is it's a shame because it increases the vendors refund rate and it angers the affiliates.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Simon Farmer View Post

          I still make a lot of money on ClickBank, and I have to say that I don't really any problems with them except for the fact that that make it soooo easy for customers to get a refund.

          Nine times out of ten you will find that the REAL reason for a refund isn't because the product isn't any good, it's because the customer wants to have the product for free.

          I'm a vendor on ClickBank with products not in the IM niche and I know for a fact that 99% of my customers do not know the information I'm teaching them because it took me years of research and trial and error to perfect what I teach.

          The reason I know I'm right it because I can almost predict the people who will ask for a refund.

          There are countries in particular who just don't like to pay for their products and so they buy a product and then 9 times out of 10 they will ask for a refund.

          If you are a vendor then you will no doubt no what I'm talking about, but the thing is it's a shame because it increases the vendors refund rate and it angers the affiliates.
          As Alexa pointed out, the easy refund policy is an extremely powerful selling point when promoting Clickbank products. What I do is prominently emphasize Clickbank's unconditional 60 day money-back guarantee throughout all of my ad campaigns, presell sites, and email promotions.

          Coupled with an affiliate's own experience with the product and reasons for recommending it, these factors produce an unbeatable combination of high conversions and minimal refunds. Sometimes it may even help to poke a little fun at vendors' frequently over-hyped sales pages, or perhaps by-pass them entirely with sales pages of your own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Nisip View Post

      The affiliates are unfortunately only the constant victims of the product creators deceptive lies they use in the video sales letters, which lead to high refund rates...
      Attributing causation correctly is sometimes not quite as easy as it looks, Nisip. In this instance, there are some facts which pretty conclusively show your mistaken interpretation above to be seriously flawed.

      Different affiliates have vastly differing refund-rates for the same products.

      As ClickBank will confirm, if you discuss this with them, some affiliates have uniformly above-average refund-rates for every product they promote, while others have very few refunds indeed for anything they promote.

      It's true that products in the "IM", "MMO" and "Forex" niches do, overall, have slightly higher refund-rates than those in other niches, and there are some other reasons for that, too. But most of the variances are very directly attributable to differences between affiliates' pre-selling methods.

      A product which had a very high refund-rate across its whole range of affiliates would quickly be removed from the Marketplace by ClickBank, because of course the financial and administrative costs involved in processing the refunds wouldn't cover their processing profit-margins on the ones sold successfully.

      I find, out of all the places I've ever used, that ClickBank's refund policy is the one that suits me best, as an affiliate. It's their refund policy that makes it so easy to sell the products. And it's one's own marketing skills as an affiliate that determine whether or not one's customers do actually refund. Some affiliates have refund-rates well under 1%, and some well under 0.5%, for all the products they promote while other affiliates have refund rates well over 10% for those same products.

      If you believe that affiliates are the victims of vendors, in this respect (and I'm saying this as an affiliate - I'm not a vendor at all), it will help you to re-examine the facts from which you're drawing your conclusions. And if you're promoting products with dishonest sales pages, that's your choice (and out of 15,000+ products listed there, there are certainly plenty of others to choose instead), and this will also help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffsolochek
    Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

    I was a be a big fan of promoting ClickBank products, but now I am beginning to feel it is a waste of time. The products are not only tough to convert, but the refund rate is so high it is hard to earn money. I wanted to give physical products a try, but now you have to worry about the tiny commissions. Is there anyone still making money from CB and if they are what methods are you using? What type of products are you promoting? Do you go for CB products in a certain price range? I am at my wits end here. :confused:
    I have not done anything with Clickbank in a long time, not because of the kinds of products that are there. Video and Smartphones seem to be big these days so find related products on Clickbank.

    As far as physical products look at stores like Tigerdirect and Geeks dot com and see if maybe they offer higher payouts otherwise what about products from China. Try Chinavasion oand/or Lightinthebox both are dot com's.

    Another thing you could do is to contact local stores and offer to sell some of their inventory. you then create the markup. This works well if you can move their slow moving stuff or their older inventory.
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  • Profile picture of the author evas
    Why dont u use Linkedin as your tools of promoting. People on Linkedin are more serious about anything. They are most proffesionals.
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    • Profile picture of the author viclaz
      It doesn't matter where you promote Clickbank products, most of their products are pure junk, and their "policy" regarding commission payouts is an abomination!. Ever wonder why Clickbank removed their silly commission payout counter from their site?, because it was 100% BOGUS!.
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  • Profile picture of the author pinkgorilla
    I'm still doing good with Clickbank, and it's probably my main affiliate program at the moment. The earnings can be inconsistent at times, but that's the same with everything. The products on Clickbank are usually pretty good and sell well.
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  • Profile picture of the author viclaz
    You got that right!. I've been trying to make money with Clickbank for the past 10yrs without success. I must also add this, Clickbank's policy stinks to the high heavens, it is downright criminal. You struggle to make a sale, and when you finally do, they don't pay you the commission. According to their "policy", you need to make 5 sales from 5 different credit cards. What the hell kind of policy is that??. It gets even worse, they start deducting small amounts from your commission until you achieve those 5 sales. I don't think there's a jury in the world that would not convict Clickbank of criminal charges.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by viclaz View Post

      It gets even worse, they start deducting small amounts from your commission until you achieve those 5 sales.You got that right!
      You, on the other hand, got it wrong. You're apparently confusing the "customer distribution requirement" with the "dormant account charges", there.

      Originally Posted by viclaz View Post

      most of their products are pure junk
      You've seen all 15,000+ of them, perhaps, to offer this rather remarkable opinion?

      Or maybe you've looked mostly at the IM-related and MMO-related products (for the sales of which - obviously enough - it's sometimes difficult to be paid all your commissions because people tend, understandably, to buy them through them own hoplinks rather than through the hoplinks of the referring affiliate), and ignored about 298 other niches represented there?

      Originally Posted by viclaz View Post

      and their "policy" regarding commission payouts is an abomination!
      I don't know what your problem was, but hundreds of us here, who are making our full-time livings through ClickBank, greatly appreciate the reliability and security of our payments (in some cases even so much that we won't seriously consider promoting non-ClickBank stuff), and have plenty of respect for a company that's been successfully established online for even longer than Google.

      Originally Posted by viclaz View Post

      I've been trying to make money with Clickbank for the past 10yrs without success.
      We'd never have guessed from your mistaken statements and apparent prejudice ...

      If you ever decide to try again (and I greatly admire your persistence: I certainly don't know anyone else who tries anything unsuccessfully for 10 years!), these two threads might help you ...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      Originally Posted by viclaz View Post

      It gets even worse, they start deducting small amounts from your commission until you achieve those 5 sales.
      That is not quite correct. The 'five sales' rule is a one-time customer distribution requirement. The deduction of commission takes place when an account becomes dormant (90 days without a sale)

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  • Profile picture of the author BobyRurka
    Although Clickbank has thousands of products to choose from, you have to keep in mind that you will obtain some high converting products with good quality, but also poor products with a low converting rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author dreamzgold
    I am also into clickbank before now focusing something different because of high refund rate.

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  • Profile picture of the author Robinsh123
    It seems very tough to make money at ClickBank and that's why we should focus on quality and real reviews in order to make some sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Dude of course Clickbank still works...

    Information consumption continues to grow so I think Clickbank is going nowhere. Your refund rates really depend on the products you are selling and how you're selling them. If you start pre-selling a product, then in turn offer a bonus and add more value to the offer, I guarantee your refund rates will go down.

    Also, the refund rates in certain markets are naturally higher than others; this is unavoidable.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Guys - be aware that the question was asked a year ago.

      The thread was just bumped earlier today by someone who wanted to let off some steam.

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  • Wow this post is almost a year old and still bumping. Congrats OP!

    But what's with all the Clickbank hate though?

    I mean, I understand the frustration of let's say, this response...

    Originally Posted by viclaz View Post

    I've been trying to make money with Clickbank for the past 10yrs without success.
    But viclaz, (and to others in here who have not been successful),

    there are those of us who have been making money with Clickbank for the past 10yrs with success!

    Same Clickbank, different results! How does that happen you ask?

    Maybe it might surprise you to learn that it has far less to do with which bank you choose to click with, or which ZOO you JV on, but more to do with learning how to successfully promote products as an affiliate by either observing some of the successful affiliates who are making money online, or by getting a mentor with proven success that can show you how.

    You can also take action on the advice given in many threads here on the forum relating to the same topic, of which Lexy collects those valuable threads as a hobby, and gladly shares them occasionally for free!

    As for me, I am more of a vendor, and have some products on CB which sell daily. Here's just one of today's sales see?



    (SGD to USD Conversion added for dramatic effect)

    So I suggest you all stop wondering why you are not making money, and blaming it on Clickbank because the excuse feels good, and start gaining some inspiration from those who are freely sharing right here on the WF, how they are doing it!
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    • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
      Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      Wow this post is almost a year old and still bumping. Congrats OP!

      But what's with all the Clickbank hate though?

      I mean, I understand the frustration of let's say, this response...



      But viclaz, (and to others in here who have not been successful),

      there are those of us who have been making money with Clickbank for the past 10yrs with success!

      Same Clickbank, different results! How does that happen you ask?

      Maybe it might surprise you to learn that it has far less to do with which bank you choose to click with, or which ZOO you JV on, but more to do with learning how to successfully promote products as an affiliate by either observing some of the successful affiliates who are making money online, or by getting a mentor with proven success that can show you how.

      You can also take action on the advice given in many threads here on the forum relating to the same topic, of which Lexy collects those valuable threads as a hobby, and gladly shares them occasionally for free!

      As for me, I am more of a vendor, and have some products on CB which sell daily. Here's just one of today's sales see?



      (SGD to USD Conversion added for dramatic effect)

      So I suggest you all stop wondering why you are not making money, and blaming it on Clickbank because the excuse feels good, and start gaining some inspiration from those who are freely sharing right here on the WF, how they are doing it!
      Future sound fx bundle?

      I'm in a very similar niche myself. And a few other isolated health niches.
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