Is anyone making money with clickbank anymore?

It can depend a little on the product, but anything with high refund-rates across its whole range of affiliates is quickly removed from the Marketplace. Mostly, it depends on the affiliates and their pre-selling methods.

There are certainly large numbers of people here making their full-time livings by promoting ClickBank products as affiliates. Doubtless you'll hear from some, Robin.

The IM and MMO niches have higher refund-rates than the other 298-ish niches represented at ClickBank (but there's little point in promoting any of those as an affiliate anyway, for the reasons explained here). Other than that, the refund-rates vary enormously between different affiliates for the same products, because they're mostly determined by how the product is pre-sold.

As ClickBank will confirm, if you discuss it with them, some affiliates selling a wide range of different products have refund-rates well below 1% for all the products they promote, while others have refund rates over 10% for everything they sell (maybe even more?), and that's an absolutely enormous, more-than-tenfold discrepancy!

I use these methods, and here's a brief summary (with links!) of everything I do: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5721774

Never anything to do with IM/MMO.

Never anything with very high gravity ( http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2495251 )

Apart from that, I just promote products in niches I like that fit these criteria: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

I tend, slightly, to go for the highest-priced ones I can, but a lot of the money in affiliate marketing comes from selling repeated/different products to the same subscribers, so one needs a range of prices, really.

I do tend not even to look at anything that would pay me less than $25 commission per sale, I admit, but that's just a personal preference.

My "subscriber demographics", as an affiliate, are "article marketing traffic", and I do find that more expensive products are a little easier to sell, overall, to that crowd.

I was only answering your question "What type of products are you promoting?".

Personally, I don't (and wouldn't) promote anything in any IM or MMO niches at all. I'm not, of course, saying that nobody else should. Clearly, however, there's little sense in promoting as an affiliate at ClickBank any products for which any significant proportion of the potential customers might themselves already be ClickBank affiliates, is there? They're hardly going to buy through a referring affiliate's hoplink when ClickBank allows them to buy through their own?

(That's why some of those products have such high gravities, of course: it's not that they're selling well - it's the fact that so many people just buy one copy, each through their own hoplink, so the gravity rises and rises and rises, though the sales numbers may actually be comparatively small, compared with many of the products I'm promoting with gravities around 5 or so, some of which are selling by the thousand. But I digress ...).

I have no experience of it at all, Robin, sorry. But unless I've misunderstood your question, the inescapable point above (regarding not being paid commissions for the sales you refer when customers buy through their own hoplinks) seems to me to be entirely unaffected by whether the products themselves are digital or physical?

I still make money through Clickbank.. From list building and with Youtube..

Hey Adie!

Are You an Affiliate for Grow Taller Products? or a Vendor?

Regards

Lance

Whoa is the poor affiliate. lol

They have a choice and an opportunity to see things for what they are with a little due dilligence.

It's the CUSTOMERS who are "unfortunately only the constant victims of the product creators deceptive lies they use int he video sales letters, which lead to high refund rates...

But then again, they too have a choice and an opportunity to see things for what they really are with a little due dilligence.

Attributing causation correctly is sometimes not quite as easy as it looks, Nisip. In this instance, there are some facts which pretty conclusively show your mistaken interpretation above to be seriously flawed.

Different affiliates have vastly differing refund-rates for the same products.

As ClickBank will confirm, if you discuss this with them, some affiliates have uniformly above-average refund-rates for every product they promote, while others have very few refunds indeed for anything they promote.

It's true that products in the "IM", "MMO" and "Forex" niches do, overall, have slightly higher refund-rates than those in other niches, and there are some other reasons for that, too. But most of the variances are very directly attributable to differences between affiliates' pre-selling methods.

A product which had a very high refund-rate across its whole range of affiliates would quickly be removed from the Marketplace by ClickBank, because of course the financial and administrative costs involved in processing the refunds wouldn't cover their processing profit-margins on the ones sold successfully.

I find, out of all the places I've ever used, that ClickBank's refund policy is the one that suits me best, as an affiliate. It's their refund policy that makes it so easy to sell the products. And it's one's own marketing skills as an affiliate that determine whether or not one's customers do actually refund. Some affiliates have refund-rates well under 1%, and some well under 0.5%, for all the products they promote while other affiliates have refund rates well over 10% for those same products.

If you believe that affiliates are the victims of vendors, in this respect (and I'm saying this as an affiliate - I'm not a vendor at all), it will help you to re-examine the facts from which you're drawing your conclusions. And if you're promoting products with dishonest sales pages, that's your choice (and out of 15,000+ products listed there, there are certainly plenty of others to choose instead), and this will also help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

It doesn't matter where you promote Clickbank products, most of their products are pure junk, and their "policy" regarding commission payouts is an abomination!. Ever wonder why Clickbank removed their silly commission payout counter from their site?, because it was 100% BOGUS!.

You, on the other hand, got it wrong. You're apparently confusing the "customer distribution requirement" with the "dormant account charges", there.

You've seen all 15,000+ of them, perhaps, to offer this rather remarkable opinion?

Or maybe you've looked mostly at the IM-related and MMO-related products (for the sales of which - obviously enough - it's sometimes difficult to be paid all your commissions because people tend, understandably, to buy them through them own hoplinks rather than through the hoplinks of the referring affiliate), and ignored about 298 other niches represented there?

I don't know what your problem was, but hundreds of us here, who are making our full-time livings through ClickBank, greatly appreciate the reliability and security of our payments (in some cases even so much that we won't seriously consider promoting non-ClickBank stuff), and have plenty of respect for a company that's been successfully established online for even longer than Google.

We'd never have guessed from your mistaken statements and apparent prejudice ...

If you ever decide to try again (and I greatly admire your persistence: I certainly don't know anyone else who tries anything unsuccessfully for 10 years!), these two threads might help you ...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post2161932

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Guys - be aware that the question was asked a year ago.

The thread was just bumped earlier today by someone who wanted to let off some steam.

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Future sound fx bundle?

I'm in a very similar niche myself. And a few other isolated health niches.