What is a niche? It may not be what you think.

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A lot of people get this wrong and when they do it confuses their efforts at finding a profitable money making audience on which to base a product or a business.

What is your niche?

A niche is not music, sports or travel. Going deeper (i.e., being more specific) doesn't help either because a niche is not classical music, the Boston Red Sox, or Hawaiian cruises.

The term "niche" means:
"an ornamental recess in a wall, usually semi-circular and arched, as for a statue or other decorative object"
In Internet marketing terms, a niche is a particular need or want that a group of similar people have that your product satisfies.

So just like a space or recess in a wall, marketers are said to "carve out" a niche or spot or space in any market where they can position their product to fill a need for a targeted group of people.

If you think of a niche in these terms, as a place where you position your product to fill a need, it makes defining your audience so much easier. It also makes creating a unique and focused position for your business a snap.

Just remember, niches are not broad categories like health, scuba diving, gardening, or writing. They're not "things" like iPads, or organizations like the Lakers, or people like Taylor Swift, or products like Word Press.

Niches are spaces where you position a product or a business to fill a need.

Maybe this will help some of you!

Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Fool
    At the end of the day, for my purposes...niches basically end up being keywords that I get from the google keyword tool :-p
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  • Profile picture of the author fin
    I think you're talking about a product if I'm being honest.

    Not a niche, no matter what the dictionary says.
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  • Profile picture of the author WebDeveloperSahil
    I think niche stands for category. Everyone is asking something like I want other blogs of same niche! It's category from my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Thank you for your comments thus far.

      Marketing Fool says niches are keywords.

      fin says niches are products.

      WebDeveloperSahil says niches are categories.

      Do you see why figuring out a niche can be confusing?

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        Thank you for your comments thus far.

        Marketing Fool says niches are keywords.

        fin says niches are products.

        WebDeveloperSahil says niches are categories.

        Do you see why figuring out a niche can be confusing?

        Steve
        I was actually saying your explanation is a product, not a niche.

        I do agree it's confusing and I can give you an example you used.

        Hawaiian Cruises - If someone wanted to book a cruise to Hawaii they would want to go to a niche site that spoke about cruises in Hawaii.

        A website about cruises would not be a niche site.

        In your original OP you says a niche is something that fills a need, but a product fills a need.

        On a niche site about Hawaiian cruises you might sell actual cruises, Hawaiian cruise insurance, Hawaiian guide books, etc.

        They are all on a niche site and each one fills a different need.

        In your explanation you would have to build a different site for each one because they will a different market need.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Wouldn't get too caught up in the terminology...

    What you want to find is...

    1. Market desire (emotionally charged desire to have, be, do or become something)
    2. Group associated with that desire...understand how to reach them
    3. UVP (Your unique value proposition and related USP (selling proposition) to position your product/service fulfilling the desire in the context of your competition
    4. Keywords associated with the group, desire and potentially the products they are already searching for. This is not a niche itself, but one mechanism (social would be another) by which people will search for information, solutions and products into which you position

    Align these 4 items and you have a winning business.

    Jeff
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    • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
      Originally Posted by jbsmith View Post

      Wouldn't get too caught up in the terminology...

      What you want to find is...

      1. Market desire (emotionally charged desire to have, be, do or become something)
      2. Group associated with that desire...understand how to reach them
      3. UVP (Your unique value proposition and related USP (selling proposition) to position your product/service fulfilling the desire in the context of your competition
      4. Keywords associated with the group, desire and potentially the products they are already searching for. This is not a niche itself, but one mechanism (social would be another) by which people will search for information, solutions and products into which you position

      Align these 4 items and you have a winning business.

      Jeff
      This. It's best not to overcomplicate simple terms and concepts and instead focus on developing a simple winning strategy that will help you make money online.

      Newbies make simple things complicated and Veterans make complicated things simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    A niche is a subset of a market.

    Personal Development = Market
    Overcoming Procrastination = Niche
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      A niche is a subset of a market.

      Personal Development = Market
      Overcoming Procrastination = Niche
      Boom!

      Simple and perfect.

      A niche is a smaller space (and specific audience) in the broader market.

      It's the art of positioning.

      As a copywriter...

      I used niche (position) myself in front of prospects who wanted to broadcast their life purpose.

      I said things like, "This isn't just your business; this your passion. Let's get your purpose; your product or service in front of the people who will immediately get it."

      So I marketed myself as a copywriter (broader market) and positioned myself in front of more new agey-type people looking for a marketer with some spiritual sensibility (niche.)

      I was also communicating how I could achieve the kind of niching (positioning) for my clients that attracted them to me in the first place.

      Again...

      It's all about positioning.

      That's what niching IS.

      Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      A niche is a subset of a market.
      Personal Development = Market
      Overcoming Procrastination = Niche
      Travinguy,

      I like the example you've given but I'm not sure the definition (a market subset) is always accurate. Using this same logic "sports" is a market and "outdoor sports" is a subset. But is "outdoor sports" really a good niche?

      My guess is - usually not, at least from an Internet marketer's standpoint. It's way too broad and it doesn't target the audience much.

      It's for this exact reason that thinking of a niche as a position from which one fills a need becomes so powerful. It allows you to describe your "space" within a niche in terms the solution you have for your audience rather than a product or category.

      Your example of "overcoming procrastination" is excellent - it defines a position that a product or business might assume in order solve the common problem of your targeted audience.

      Thanks,

      Steve
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        But is "outdoor sports" really a good niche?
        Ask Big 5 Sporting Goods.

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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        Travinguy,

        I like the example you've given but I'm not sure the definition (a market subset) is always accurate. Using this same logic "sports" is a market and "outdoor sports" is a subset. But is "outdoor sports" really a good niche?

        My guess is - usually not, at least from an Internet marketer's standpoint. It's way too broad and it doesn't target the audience much.

        It's for this exact reason that thinking of a niche as a position from which one fills a need becomes so powerful. It allows you to describe your "space" within a niche in terms the solution you have for your audience rather than a product or category.

        Your example of "overcoming procrastination" is excellent - it defines a position that a product or business might assume in order solve the common problem of your targeted audience.

        Thanks,

        Steve
        You're right, Steve. But considering how people throw the term around here I'd be happy to see them simply understand that stuff like Health & Fitness, Relationships, Financial and all the other massive markets that are referred to as niches are NOT niches at all but major markets. Onward...
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  • Profile picture of the author MisterMunch
    A niche is a group of people who like something.

    So in Internet Marketing, you have niches like: stay at home moms, local businesses, guys in their 20s', recipe/food bloggers.

    You do not have to use the keyword to attract the niche. You just have to produce content that they will relate to. If they feel they are in your niche they will think you content is awsome!

    When you have your niche buildt up you start to understand what your niche want and can promote the right products to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shenpen
    I like to think of a niche in the way that biologists understand it: Some opportunity in nature, which will be filled with some creature that develops a certain specialized strategy to make the most of that opportunity.

    It translates well into the kind of strategy that you need to have to take advantage of some special opportunity. With specialized skills you can compete in some certain niche and for some niches there will be a big opportunity if you are the first to take advantage. Dropbox, skype, facebook, google, Twitter and LinkedIn are all very narrow in scope, but they hit a big audience because the need for thier service was very general.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    interesting discussion so far;

    In my opinion Niche is a Strawberry Cake Which Makes You Money
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnConnolly
    Very interesting and stimulating conversations here...

    Everyone is right.

    My experience is what? Well,it's my experience, it doesn't make it right or wrong. So If I think that Dogs are a great niche, I would be right. Someone else might say no, no, no. Dogs are not a niche, German Shepherds or Shiba inu's are a niche, because they are a subcategory of dogs.

    Then I would have to say dogs are a subset of Animals, aren't they?

    Well, we can debate what a niche is and isn't all day long. As long as you carve out your real estate in a specific MARKET, that fulfills a want, need or desire, and you do it different than anyone else, and you have a way to make a killing! By George! Guess What? You Have Found Your NICHE.

    I'm just saying.

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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I've always liked Entrepreneur Magazine's definition of a market niche:

    "Definition: A portion of a market that you've identified as having some special characteristic and that's worth marketing to."

    I also like Eben Pagan's definition as well which boils down to a specific need or want. So I like combining these two to make a more complete definition of what a niche really is.

    A niche is definitely not just keywords unless you only plan on using the SEs as your promotional platform (a very bad long-term business strategy).

    A micro-niche is a super-specialized small segment of a niche that is generally underserved and generally has little to no competition but it is still worth marketing to.

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      No wonder people are so confused about what exactly a niche is.

      I did a search for synonyms of niche and found these: place, position, slot, function, role, forte', alcove, recess.

      So basically, a niche is a place that you position yourself in or a slot you function in while playing the role as an expert in an area that you consider you forte'. And after you find an alcove to work from and make some money...oh, I don't know, umm, you're dismissed for recess.

      Sorry, that was off the cuff.

      Terra
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      • Profile picture of the author James Clark
        Good stuff Steve! I stop turned off everything in the background and read it slowly.

        For those of you who are surprised I'm very capable of doing two things at once.(LOL)
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve B
          The reason I started this thread is simple - a newbie made the following post in his own thread that I read this morning. It seemed he was confused and I thought maybe it would help if he looked at "niches" in a different way. I figured others may be having his same problem as well.
          "Now, my question is this (and it may be silly): what exactly is a 'niche?' I know what the word means, and the concept behind it. But how narrowly-defined is a niche? Are we talking something like sports, automobiles, travel? Or is it more specific, like Miami Dolphins, Toyota Camry, Northern Germany? Just curious, since I see the word used a lot here, but never with examples."
          Since apparently many of us have differing opinions about the subject, I can only imagine that newbies are still confused after reading the varying posts. Obviously consensus is probably not possible.

          Good luck to all,

          Steve
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