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I have read and purchased some internet marketing tools and used numerous strategies however I have never made a sale. I need s step by step guide, color by numbers, something to help me understand what all of you are so adept at. Is there a blog or something I can read that can give me some help. I don't have anymore money to spend so information is what I need.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Ha, "all of you" are NOT adept at it, seriously.

    Most of them are struggling just like you. A successful IM method is not something you just do overnight.

    You don't need to spend money--just pick a method and research using the search button on this forum. The problem is that you jump from thing to thing. That's Shiny Object Syndrome. You have to stick with something and work on it to get good.

    There is no "paint by numbers" guaranteed make-money program. There are only guidelines you can follow, which guarantee nothing.
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    • Profile picture of the author trapybp
      yep I have to agree with Jason here... if you find a product with a lot of good reviews, then the system probably works... you just have to follow through with it... and not switch to all the new shiny objects... stick with one and master it... (I had this a problem for the longest by the way) Just read through this forum and you will find all you need... I would recommend joining the war room though...
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    • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Ha, "all of you" are NOT adept at it, seriously.

      Most of them are struggling just like you. A successful IM method is not something you just do overnight.

      You don't need to spend money--just pick a method and research using the search button on this forum. The problem is that you jump from thing to thing. That's Shiny Object Syndrome. You have to stick with something and work on it to get good.

      There is no "paint by numbers" guaranteed make-money program. There are only guidelines you can follow, which guarantee nothing.
      This in a nutshell. Focus on sticking to just ONE proven long term business model and don't stop working on that ONE method until you begin making money.

      Once you make your first $$$ you will then begin gaining extra motivation and postive reinforcement to begin working even harder and more on your method
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      • Profile picture of the author VinnyBock
        As mentioned by others, you can't jump from one thing to the other...

        If your "discouraged" and you're on the verge of giving up for good, you should go ALL IN on 1 proven method, and stop looking for more ways to make money...

        Pick a method, put your blinders on to everything else around you and either succeed, or go down with the ship...

        I wish I had some cut and dry advice for you, but IM is anything but "cut & dry"... :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author mrgoe
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Ha, "all of you" are NOT adept at it, seriously.

      Most of them are struggling just like you. A successful IM method is not something you just do overnight.

      You don't need to spend money--just pick a method and research using the search button on this forum. The problem is that you jump from thing to thing. That's Shiny Object Syndrome. You have to stick with something and work on it to get good.

      There is no "paint by numbers" guaranteed make-money program. There are only guidelines you can follow, which guarantee nothing.
      Also, read a lot before actually purchasing. You`ll find on this forum that there are a whole lot of free options to start with, experiment with, so you get the hang of it
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Ha, "all of you" are NOT adept at it, seriously.

      Most of them are struggling just like you. A successful IM method is not something you just do overnight.

      You don't need to spend money--just pick a method and research using the search button on this forum. The problem is that you jump from thing to thing. That's Shiny Object Syndrome. You have to stick with something and work on it to get good.

      There is no "paint by numbers" guaranteed make-money program. There are only guidelines you can follow, which guarantee nothing.
      yes good advice here.

      You have to admit we were all newbie once, and all changing things, and changing tactics and looking for the next shiney object, and getting no where, When I focused on 2 things, My business and life went to the next level.

      - GETTING TRAFFIC (targeted)

      - SEND TRAFFIC TO optin page (build list)

      When I did this and stopped buying stuff that promised to make me a SQUILLION-AIRE by next tuesday, things really took off.

      Focus on one or two things a week, and keep doing things that are working.

      Its funny how even years later, I still do the 2 things above, and they are still responsible for bringing in 85% of my income. Like I said, do more of the things that work, and stop doing the things that do not work.

      my mentors who make ship loads of money online all have one thing in comon, the ability to build huge lists from scratch, and taught me how to work those lists, in any niche. I think for any newbie in the WF here today, this is the best advice I can give.
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  • Profile picture of the author samueljsh
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  • Profile picture of the author Murphysmurfy
    Issue #1:
    Originally Posted by vonnevonne View Post

    I I need s step by step guide, color by numbers, something to help me understand what all of you are so adept at.
    If you need someone to hold your hand, Internet Marketing (Or even business overall), is not for you.

    This forum has more than enough information to get your juices flowing; don't depend on others to do work for you.

    Issue #2:
    Originally Posted by vonnevonne View Post

    I I don't have anymore money to spend so information is what I need.
    You need money to make money. You are starting a business, not a hobby.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    You could learn how to provide a service online like article writing or video creation. It’s easier to make money online this way than by selling affiliate products because you have to deal with a lot of competition online. Of course, there is competition when you offer your services too, but you will manage to have your first customers and make a nice portfolio.

    You can also make some money for a few expenses by creating Squidoo lenses, Zujava leafs, and Hub pages, but these free platforms keep changing their rules and you are not the real owner of your work. Create only a few pages and try to drive a lot of traffic to these pages. This is what really counts.

    You can sell many Amazon products this way, and many other affiliate products. You make money only for creating these pages, even without selling anything, but selling is much better.

    This is not a fast money-making method, but most people make some money this way.

    You can also use these pages to promote your websites, without spending money.






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  • Profile picture of the author vonnevonne
    Thank you for your help. I have been working on my IM goals for three years with two different products. I think I will spend some time with your advise and see what I can come up with.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
      The #1 Rule I follow is this ..

      Promote Products that have real value, not a product that offers just hype.

      If you would buy the product and use it often, then someone else would do also.

      Good Products usually sell themselves.

      Though at times vendors (Product Owners) fail at producing an effective sales page. Here you should presell the product via a review.
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  • Profile picture of the author ProSeomCo
    Originally Posted by vonnevonne View Post

    I have read and purchased some internet marketing tools and used numerous strategies however I have never made a sale. I need s step by step guide, color by numbers, something to help me understand what all of you are so adept at. Is there a blog or something I can read that can give me some help. I don't have anymore money to spend so information is what I need.

    @vonnevonne

    Maybe by telling us what internet marketing tools you have invested in and what strategies you have tried with them, would allow for us to help give better advise to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author vonnevonne
      @ProSeomCo
      I have tried to do affiliate marketing via GVO that did not work for me and I tried Mike Filsame's MMBS and I have just gave up on that one. I am not a sales person, and I don't get the whole traffic thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author axel9
    ppc-coach that site is gold, im making 50 dollar per week and just starting, doing nothing. the learning paids the membership its 49 pero month i think, if you dont have money to afford this you can still get the 1 dollar trial(its a membership of 15 days free trial), if you want the 30 day membership get a work and purchase it
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  • Profile picture of the author DeanJames
    @vonnevonne - The problem isn't lack of information, you already have more of that than you need. It's your mindset that you need to work on first so you don't become easily discouraged. Most strategies will work to varying degrees if you work them hard enough. As you are limited by available financial resources, you will need to put in the sweat equity and the time necessary to start getting results.
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    • Profile picture of the author vonnevonne
      @DeanJames
      Thank you that is thoughtful and supportive for me.

      @Geri Richmond
      I started an Alison.com lesson today. Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author Geri Richmond
    Hi,
    I'm sorry for your frustration!! I know what you mean. If you PM me, I will give you my blog address and there you will find step by step instructions.
    Geri Richmond
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  • Profile picture of the author sarah23
    There are 2-3 very good free WSO's in WSO section. But that does require work even though you get support from them but there are things you will need to put effort into.
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    • Profile picture of the author PCH
      Hey vonnevonne,

      I think you'll find you're just the same as most of us others here. Or at least the same as we were when we started - before we latched onto the fact that making money online is not the 'easy' thing that you'll have read a million times.

      That alone is probably what leads you to believe that we all find it easy, while you're the only one having difficulties.

      This is not a game, and it's not a business for people who want easy money either. True, the odd person here and there might be either clever or lucky and actually make it big virtually overnight. But the vast majority of us put in a full days work at it, and then a decent evening shift as well.

      Give it thought before continuing VV - it's not for peeps with no money to spend, cos you need that for some of the things you can't do without. And you need dedication and resourcefulness to move forward positively.

      Without any one of these, you will not be successful in IM.

      Sorry to be blunt, but sometimes the truth is the best way.

      Best wishes
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  • Profile picture of the author webproishere
    The problem is TIME ! When you start, you need plenty of it or it will take forever to pick up.

    You can't go and invest on things you don't even have the time to develop.
    For now, you should read a lot before starting anything for nothing !
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  • Profile picture of the author phil.wheatley
    Originally Posted by vonnevonne View Post

    I need s step by step guide, color by numbers, something to help me understand what all of you are so adept at.
    Try McDonalds, they are about as "step by step, paint by numbers" as you can get. I know I'm being negative, but with your current mindset, there is no way you are going to make any money doing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeanJames
    Phil is right. All too often people look for the 'secret' or the 'strategy' that will solve all their problems, but the truth is that mindset is the number one thing you should work on (every day) before anything else. Once you have the right mindset and you break the chain of negative thinking/patterns/behavior, not only do you become a happier person but you will also be unstoppable in your chosen pursuit. I recommend reading "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill. Best, Dean.
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  • Profile picture of the author tiroberts
    Originally Posted by vonnevonne View Post

    I have read and purchased some internet marketing tools and used numerous strategies however I have never made a sale. I need s step by step guide, color by numbers, something to help me understand what all of you are so adept at. Is there a blog or something I can read that can give me some help. I don't have anymore money to spend so information is what I need.
    That's sounds like EN.

    Anywho, I would suggest you spend some time reevaluating what YOU want to do to make money online. It's about picking a niche that YOU like rather than chasing money. If you like the niche you're in, then the money will come much easier and you'll be less frustrated.

    As far a info/resources:

    MatthewWooward.co.uk
    2createawebsite.com
    CopyBlogger.com
    SmartPassiveIncome.com

    These are just a few really good info blogs to follow and get info from. Hope these help you.

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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    There are so many steps and phases to this whole game. You need the correct product, you have to say the correct things and most of all you need the correct people coming. Making money online comes down to two things. Traffic and conversions. Master those two things.

    Its all based around supply and demand. Find out what people need and then find a quality product that others are selling and then either direct link the traffic or better for down the road build yourself a squeeze page. The trick here I've discovered is tying in a good, related offer as a "one time offer" to help give you some upfront cash flow or at least to pay for your time and cost. The big pitchure here is building your subscriber base.

    So basicaly decide on a market and niche you want to get started in and then figure out one or two targeted traffic sources you want to start with. Always keep track of your numbers to monitor your sites performance so you can work on making it better. Very, Very, Very important is the optimizing part. That will determin your success or not
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  • Profile picture of the author muffty
    Try to focus on one thing - don't jump around looking for a magic solution because you won't find one!

    You can search online and in this forum for all kinds of free information but the main thing is to 'keep at it' and learn as you go along!

    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Be the best in the world at what you set your mind to - the profits will follow. If you're not the best, work much harder.

    The details matter more than most would imagine.
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    • Profile picture of the author vonnevonne
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Be the best in the world at what you set your mind to - the profits will follow. If you're not the best, work much harder.

      The details matter more than most would imagine.
      I get that...I can do that...
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      • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
        Originally Posted by vonnevonne View Post

        I get that...I can do that...
        What else can you do?

        What are your skills?
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        • Profile picture of the author vonnevonne
          my skills... I am writer, I can edit video
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          • Profile picture of the author tooAlive
            Originally Posted by vonnevonne View Post

            my skills... I am writer, I can edit video
            Awesome. If you sit down every day and make at least 5 Youtube review videos promoting Amazon, Clickbank or any other affiliate products, you WILL start making money.

            If you stick to it you'll have 450 videos in 3 months.

            Lets say each video makes you ONE SALE every month. Just one sale per video. Assuming you'd make just $17 per sale, that's $7,650 a month.

            Now go out there and make some money.
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            • Profile picture of the author medway
              Fully agree don't jump around, it was one of the biggest mistakes I made early on. You probably won't find a fully step but step process. Anything like that will usually not be too effective for long.
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        • Profile picture of the author vonnevonne
          This has been helpful.

          I need to shift this around to what I can do...

          I can create and write a blog.
          I can open a list building account ie Aweber
          I can use my clickbank account...well sort of cb scares me.

          I have trouble with unique traffic per the niche.
          I have trouble finding multiple forums
          I have trouble building a list

          Thank you for your input this is helpful.
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          • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
            Everyone gets discouraged at times, it's part of life. If you seriously want to know how to make money online you have to sit down and find out what other successful marketers are doing, and do it yourself. Everyone has to start from the bottom and work their way up.

            It's good that you know what you have trouble with, so you can work on improving those areas. Take consistent action and continue to expand your knowledge in your chosen method or methods of making money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinChapman
    You really don't need to spend anymore money.

    If I were you I'd get in to list building and selling affiliate products (or your own) to that list. You can get free websites/blogs, they might not be the best but they'll do until you start earning some money.

    Don't get drawn in to all the 'get rich overnight' and 'earn a million dollars in 3 hours' products, it's not possible.

    You need to work hard and put some effort in, it might take you a while but it's worth it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeanJames
    Kevin Chapman is right, you won't make a million in 3 hours starting from scratch and there isn't a button you can press as a beginner that will make money fall from the sky in tens of thousands. However, you can work at it as a business and create a lifestyle most people can only dream of. If you want it enough (Most don't).
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Stop buying anything else.
    Do a proper research.
    Find an interesting niche and make a proper thorough research into that niche. I am sure you will get there.
    Good Luck Mate
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    • Profile picture of the author helen jones
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      Keep learning and progressing. No matter how young or old you are, the Internet is developing fast and you'd better be prepared for the changes that it brings.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketmongoose
    Internet marketing is a hit and miss. There are so many uncertainties in this business. What you need to do is that do some research, formulate your own marketing plan. It'll be good if you would be an affiliate of a well established company in this business and learn how they do it. Modify their strategy in the aspects you think they lack and come up with your own.
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    • Profile picture of the author ejullya
      Hey vonnevone,

      As you've already heard not everyone on the forum is successful. But that does not mean that you cannot be. You mentioned that you purchased several IM tools and tried various strategies but nothing works.

      The problem a lot of new IMers have is that they jump from one strategy to another. Perhaps it is your case as well. I believe that you should stick to one strategy that you like, work at it and give it time. Only if you give the strategy a chance and it still does not work try another one.

      Best of luck
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      • Profile picture of the author Laura Raisanen
        Like others have already said, try to focus on one thing and get really good at it. The thing is, that becoming successful in internet marketing a) takes more work than you would initially think and b) it takes longer than you think to make any decent money out of it. This is when people get sucked into the Shiny Object Syndrome and jump from one product to another. It's never going to be one of those 'get rich quick' schemes that makes you successful, it's hard work and persistence.
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  • Profile picture of the author zahanega
    Don't worry! Most people are struggling just like you. Just make sure to stick with one topic. Don't give up after you've put time, effort, and money into this. Most people fail because they are in the same situation as you and they end up abandoning their venture. Follow the advice others gave you, and good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Rsherwood
    Do not give up! Read some bio's of some of the greatest internet marketers out there. They didn't make their fortune the first month online.

    Perseverance and determination. Stop buying CRAP as most of the tools and systems that promise you fortunes leave you in the dark. Trust me, I spent $5000 before I realized non of the people I purchased from want me to succeed.

    Grab yourself a war room membership, remember you can only post things of value, so don't be spamming it with " im a newbie help "

    In fact I would not post anything, I would just spend the time and gather as much free info as you can... YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THE CONTENT BEING OFFERED FOR FREE .

    I downloaded 2 WSO's and I still have a smile on my face due to the content being delivered.

    This is not an overnight thing, stick with it !

    To your success,

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  • Profile picture of the author webdesigngrl
    Don't give up It takes time to build confidence in what you want to do Internet marketing is not just about monetary gain but using successful techniques that over time brings that in Right now you tube is the best free resource for you focus on one thing one strategy everyone has been where you are but just keep at it and you will get better.I wish you well and much success!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingg
    Im not an AM but i utilize paid traffic for my website. I didnt have the money to pay copywriters, ppc managers, etc. It was really hard at first and i kept losing money but id say like others dont jump, make one business/traffic source work even if its $10 a day consistently.

    Its all about consistency slow and steady.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gordon Mak
    Vonnevonne hello, I'm in similar situation though I have made some sales and I also agree with all the above comments; it's not a "get-rich-quick" system; like any thing in life, you need to put some time & effort into and "have some skin in the game" as they say. Cultivate what you have learnt and be committed to your goals and your rewards will arrive when you least expect. ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author jodiesmitham
    Vonnevonne, I totally understand your situation and agree that many others on here struggle in the same way.

    Some will tell you to stick to one area of IM until you master it. I'm not so sure that's correct for everyone - I spent a few years working in one area of IM, which clearly wasn't suited to me and when I changed and looked for a new idea, I started making more money. I spent a great deal of time looking through the threads on this forum, but there were no real step by step guides. A lot of threads were (and are) very vague. Because there are usually no in depth details, it's likely you'll put a foot wrong and then you'll be even more discouraged.

    Another poster above suggested the Passive Income: The Smart Passive Income Blog website, which I think is truly inspirational and has helped me and many others with step by step instructions. Pat Flynn, who runs it, makes money from his affiliate links, but most of the time he will suggest free methods to reach the same goals, although it will take longer. He has just launched his Niche Site Dual 2.0 which is designed to help people like you by explaining how to reach your goals and to make a business out of IM. You can keep track of progress each week and it's great to get into his mindset.

    Other than that, it may be worth looking in the Adsense/PPC/SEO section, as there have been some great threads sharing really useful information.

    Wishing you the best of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    "All of you"

    The majority of members are probably struggling to make money just like you are, and the ones who are successful are probably not as successful as you think they are, but don't be discouraged. My advice to you is to stick with one method until you make money. Try promoting affiliate offers with videos or something like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyjensen
    Obviously you’ve been beaten up enough here already. Maybe rightfully, I don’t know. So I will take another stab at this from a different direction. Let’s assume you are working here, have realistic expectations, and are competent and intelligent. Assuming all the other things are in place to be successful – hard working, business savvy, and all the other things. Then your question of a step by step process isn’t so bad. It basically means start small and work into it. Find what works by learning, testing, implementing, then review your results afterwards.

    Now I’m going to suggest something small and ridiculous. Open up a lemonade stand. Do your research, find a good location, choose an appropriate beverage, hire the cutest kid you can find to stand out in front of it (because no one is going to buy from you). Etc. etc. Make your own decisions, own it.

    For something small online – start a new thread, get friends on facebook, do you see where this is going?

    Best product, best marketing, and best money management equals success every single time.
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    very true, discouraging
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  • Profile picture of the author Geri Richmond
    Hi,
    Hope you got my PM back to you. I got a weird message that said the contact was not found. I'd be happy to answer your questions. You will also be able to read my blog which is a wealth of info. If you PM me, leave me your email address and I will give you the URL to my site.
    Geri Richmond
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    • Profile picture of the author byderman
      Yes Celentes approach is very focused and covers the very thing most newbies are not taught how to do - list building and traffic generation. If you understand how to generate traffic (either paid or "free") you are half way to a viable internet business.
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  • Profile picture of the author loads16017
    oh, there are tons of free ways around here bro, why dont you just try to find some?
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  • Profile picture of the author fatafat
    Originally Posted by vonnevonne View Post

    I have read and purchased some internet marketing tools and used numerous strategies however I have never made a sale. I need s step by step guide, color by numbers, something to help me understand what all of you are so adept at. Is there a blog or something I can read that can give me some help. I don't have anymore money to spend so information is what I need.
    Vonnevonne,

    You have started a post out of desperate feelings of failure hoping for people for help you as seem discouraged. I sympathise with you.

    However, the forum members responses are valid, you have not given us details of 'How much have you really tried?'
    - When you say numerous strategies, how many did you master or attempted to become an expert at?'
    - How many books? courses? have you read and did they have a step by step guide you followed?
    - Do you have a mentor?
    - Why did you get into IM?

    Answer the many questions we all have asked, take a good look at what you want to achieve and then decide if IM is for you or not?..

    All the best!
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  • Profile picture of the author isadoregregory
    It looks you have fallen into the trap of believing that there is a special marketing solution that will help you generate the money you want to earn online. And you spent tons of dollars into it, which is really not a good thing.

    What you can do now, is for you not to quit till you figure it out. I don't suggest you buy more products but try to read free information on Google, ask experts and start out small. Don't aim for high earnings first. Find out what works for you and stick to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggerDeen
    If internet marketing really was that easy don't you think there should be billions of millionaires by now?

    Its really not that difficult but at the same time its not that easy. I took me years to reach where I am now.
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  • Profile picture of the author doriono
    If you can PM me, I will give you an exact method to make money as an affiliate. It is private invite only system so can't post information here. Also, go to Amazon and find nice books to read about how to make money from blogging. I have seen people making money by using simple tools like Animoto for video creation or create custom logos and generate good revenue. Expect Less, Give MORE works the best in the internet world.
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    Knowledge, perceverance and hard work are the main ingrediants to reach your goal. I can help you.
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