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Reporting marketers who use suspicious techniques to AWeber

by Lucian Lada
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I've really, really had enough of marketers who use suspicious (to say the least) techniques to get what they want.

Just today I got an email from a marketer who used a lot of breaks into his email, right at the end, to make the unsubscribe link not so accessible. I reported this behavior to Aweber, and they were thrilled that I did it. They said they'll pass it on to the "Best Practices" department or something like that.

But for that, they require you to forward them the original email, complete with headers to help@aweber.com

If you don't know how to get the original email, here's how:

email headers, extract email header, view email header, find email header, copy email header

Simply forwarding it won't cut it, so please make sure you do it right.

Unfortunately, this marketer doesn't use English, so I couldn't point out other things, such as bait-and-switch lines and perhaps even lies. (When someone says you can get their product for free for 30 days, only to find out that you have to buy it first and if unsatisfied, you'll get your money back, not to mention using breaks at the end of the email, then my natural reaction to "I re-opened the offer because I got a lot of emails from people who were in vacation who wanted the product" is: that's a lie.)

Now, why did I do it? Because this affects us all, Aweber clients: personally, I know that I have to scroll to the bottom to click on that link to escape, but the average person doesn't, and he's more likely to click the "Report spam" button instead, driving down AWeber deliverability rates.

I don't want this, and you, an Aweber client, don't want this as well. So let's give them a hand, because seriously, we're ultimately helping us out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
    Yea i've come across a few who hide their unsub link.

    Its a tough market out there, competition is high, everyone trying to grab everyone's attention, thus some resort to unscrupulous methods.

    I have my own fair share of threads dedicated to email marketers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Fool
    Come on...why not spend your time being productive and building your own business instead of worrying about tattling on others. What's it to you if this guy made his unsubscribe link a little harder to find? Nobody likes the kid in class who tattles...
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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by Marketing Fool View Post

      Come on...why not spend your time being productive and building your own business instead of worrying about tattling on others. What's it to you if this guy made his unsubscribe link a little harder to find? Nobody likes the kid in class who tattles...
      Obviously you didnt read what Lucian mention.

      And even then, you are right, nobody likes the kid in class who tattles.
      But this is not a class, and this are not kids.
      This is the tough business world, and we're no kids.
      So if you do unethical things, you directly or indirectly affect others too.
      1. you affect the image of email marketers.
      2. as lucian mentioned, you cause more ppl to hit the spam and affect others delivery rate.

      Anyway, nobody likes the smarty pants who tells the kid no one likes you because you tattle. =P



      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      Unfortunately, this marketer doesn't use English, so I couldn't point out other things, such as bait-and-switch lines and perhaps even lies.

      Now, why did I do it? Because this affects us all, Aweber clients: personally, I know that I have to scroll to the bottom to click on that link to escape, but the average person doesn't, and he's more likely to click the "Report spam" button instead, driving down AWeber deliverability rates.

      I don't want this, and you, an Aweber client, don't want this as well. So let's give them a hand, because seriously, we're ultimately helping us out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
        Lucian,

        I totally understand your frustration. But I really do think you're spending your time and effort on the wrong things here.

        Yes, putting a lot of spaces before the unsubscribe link is a bit unethical. I've seen it done, rolled my eyes and unsubscribed anyway. I had less trust for that person after that.

        But I simply evicted him from my world and MOVED ON. I didn't waste any more time on him.

        Did a lot of people really e-mail this person wanting the offer after they came back from vacation? I don't know. And neither do you.

        Maybe he lied. Maybe he didn't. But reporting someone for something you have no proof of is more unethical than any of his "sins" you listed. And you are hurting a fellow marketer's business without proof of anything.

        Starting a business is hard enough without being sabatoged by skeptical people. Either way, your time isn't worth this pettiness. (Unless you have PROOF he's lied, you aren't "helping" anyone.)

        You can spend your time building the tallest building in town or tearing other buildings down. It's your choice.

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      Originally Posted by Marketing Fool View Post

      Come on...why not spend your time being productive and building your own business instead of worrying about tattling on others.
      I think he is being productive, maybe if more people took the time to report (And yes im also a "tattle tale") we could weed out these unethical, lying cheating SOB's...
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        I'm also going to stick up for Lucian, here, because I agree with him.

        You ladies (who posted just above) both report posts here that break the rules, because they're a nuisance to everyone and lower the tone of the place and will ultimately drive people away. I don't think this issue we're discussing is so very different, is it?

        Marketers like that - who break the rules - are also a nuisance to everyone, and they lower the tone of "internet marketing" in general, and they're directly responsible for some of our collective tarnished reputation/image, in the public perception of "internet marketers". In a not-so-indirect sense, they're actually damaging our businesses through their stupidity.

        Surely it's right, when it's so easy, for us to "do our bit" in trying to clean that up, as well? If we don't do it, who else is going to?

        Actually I'll tell you who else is going to: the less we do to "put our own (collective) house in order", the more it's going to end up being done for us (or "to us") by external forces/regulators/laws - and in reality, welcome though that sometimes is, it doesn't help us as much, and we get less say in it, that way.

        So on grounds of public policy (and for other reasons, too, to be honest) I think Lucian's right and we should actually be supporting him, not criticizing him.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          You ladies (who posted just above) both report posts here that break the rules, because they're a nuisance to everyone and lower the tone of the place and will ultimately drive people away. I don't think this issue we're discussing is so very different, is it?
          I usually agree with you, but it is different to me. I use the WF a lot and the spam reporting is a bit time consuming. I don't mind spending my time helping to keep the WF clean of spam for all concerned.

          I am on a total of 3 lists ... lists from people who would never abuse their emailing privileges at all. If they did, I would simply unsubscribe or send it to spam filter. That takes much less time than looking up the headers and sending an email out to aweber or whoever and is effective. I no longer have to endure the bad behavior and it's instant.

          If you complain to the service, they get a slap on the hand and an email and they correct it and they still got a list to abuse in some other way.

          If everyone unsubscribes from people who abuse their list privileges, they don't have a list anymore. It's fast, simple and effective.
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          • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

            If everyone unsubscribes from people who abuse their list privileges, they don't have a list anymore. It's fast, simple and effective.
            I hardly believe everyone will unsubscribe. In fact, I'd bet not even half will. On the other hand, a few reports of breaking an ESP's TOS might leave them without a list altogether.

            It's just a theory.
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

              I hardly believe everyone will unsubscribe. In fact, I'd bet not even half will. On the other hand, a few reports of breaking an ESP's TOS might leave them without a list altogether.

              It's just a theory.
              Well, unsubscribing is a choice, just as signing up is. I'm on 3 lists that I like. I'd have to sign up to a bunch of crap lists to help out with your mission, so I'll pass.
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by Marketing Fool View Post

      Come on...why not spend your time being productive and building your own business instead of worrying about tattling on others. What's it to you if this guy made his unsubscribe link a little harder to find? Nobody likes the kid in class who tattles...
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      • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        Guess you picked the right Name
        Initially wanted to mention it, but i controlled myself becos it could be too "mean".
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Life's too short to bother with tattling over email that you most likely subscribed to start with. Just unsubscribe or if that's not possible, put it in your spam filter.
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    I was recently involved in a JV Giveaway event that was tied to Aweber.
    There's nothing new about JV Gieaway events - and there was nothing that seemed wrong with the one I participated in...
    But, my account almost got closed by Aweber as a result...
    And they deleted a few thousand records from my list..
    Turns out that the head of the JV Giveaway used a script that added each subscriber to multiple lists...
    Aweber doesn't like that at all.

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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Alexa,

      I DO agree with him -- IF he has PROOF, which he doesn't.

      THAT'S my beef with his rant. If you have proof, by all means, report!

      I don't remember reporting anyone here, although I might have called a few out for breaking the rules. But if they did, the proof was there for everyone to see.

      We do need to police ourselves. But accusing/reporting someone without PROOF is just poor form. In this case, it comes off as whining.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

        I DO agree with him -- IF he has PROOF, which he doesn't.
        Ok, thanks ... I was taking Lucian as saying that he himself received an email which was non-compliant with Aweber's terms of service. Receiving it yourself is proof enough, isn't it? :confused:
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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Ok, thanks ... I was taking Lucian as saying that he himself received an email which was non-compliant with Aweber's terms of service. Receiving it yourself is proof enough, isn't it? :confused:

          If he had stopped at "putting extra break lines into the post to push the Unsubscribe link down the page", then Nightengale probably would not have had a complaint.

          That in itself is a violation of Aweber's TOS and solid grounds for contacting Aweber.


          Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

          Unfortunately, this marketer doesn't use English, so I couldn't point out other things, such as bait-and-switch lines and perhaps even lies. (When someone says you can get their product for free for 30 days, only to find out that you have to buy it first and if unsatisfied, you'll get your money back,

          ~snip~

          then my natural reaction to "I re-opened the offer because I got a lot of emails from people who were in vacation who wanted the product" is: that's a lie.)


          The other issues that he brought up were -- as Nightengale suggested -- bad form. He didn't know if the marketer was lying about why he reopened the offer. He assumed to know the facts, without any real facts available.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
        Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

        I DO agree with him -- IF he has PROOF, which he doesn't.
        If you're referring to emails filled with unscrupulous marketing methods, pm me your email address, and I'll forward you a bunch.

        Here's what Aweber had to say after I forwarded them the email:

        Hello,

        Thank you for contacting us today, and bringing
        this to our attention. I have already reached out to
        the account holder.

        In the meantime, I see that you are still subscribed
        to the list. Would you like me to unsubscribe your
        email address?
        I replied "no, I don't want to unsubscribe, I want to see how things evolve."

        Here's his reply:

        Hello Lucian,

        That will be fine. I have provided the sender
        with a few days to correct the practice.
        One reason this bothered me so much is because this guy is in the IM niche, marketing in my native language, meaning in a country that has zero experience with these things and he can easily fool people with these tactics. It might take years until people catch up with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Yeah! And what about those marketers who put their
    legalese in fine grey print so you can hardly read it.
    These should all be in bold.

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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

      Alexa,

      I DO agree with him -- IF he has PROOF, which he doesn't.

      THAT'S my beef with his rant. If you have proof, by all means, report!

      I don't remember reporting anyone here, although I might have called a few out for breaking the rules. But if they did, the proof was there for everyone to see.

      We do need to police ourselves. But accusing/reporting someone without PROOF is just poor form. In this case, it comes off as whining.

      Michelle

      Anyway, i still support Lucian.

      Even if he doesnt have proof, its everyone's small part to play by reporting, and its up to aweber's resources to investigate and if they feel its a breach of their TOS or some compliant issues, they can do what is deemed fit.
      If not then nothing will be done.

      It doesnt mean we dont do our part to report what we think is unethical.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    First, I didn't say he lied. I said "perhaps he even lied" and then said to me his line (that he re-opened the offer because many people were in vacation) came across as a lie. Pardon me for thinking this way after seeing tons of other gimmicks specific to IMers using "Make $24,542 per month. Click here to find out how." type of headlines.

    Second, he used a bait-and-switch subject line, and that's easily provable.

    Third, I dug a little into the older emails, and I saw an email where he said the offer would expire that day, 8th of March. Today is 31st of July and you can still order it.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    If I come back tomorrow, will you have a signature? Or is that just a suspicious technique?
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  • Profile picture of the author mediamarket
    Pretty interesting ive never come across anything like this before, best bet is to just spam it, you report 1 theres probably 5 more who take his place. Its never ending cycle.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
    Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

    (..."I re-opened the offer because I got a lot of emails from people who were in vacation who wanted the product" is: that's a lie.)
    ^^^^^

    Reporting this WITHOUT PROOF is my problem. TPW read me correctly.

    I actually have the same opinion as Lucian: he probably WAS lying. I don't blame Lucian. But you can't accuse and report people based solely on your suspicions. Or call ANYONE a liar WITHOUT PROOF. It's unethical and extremely unprofessional. You are possibly damaging someone's business without proof. That is very, very wrong.

    On the other hand, if you have solid proof, then definitely report it!

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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      Oh my - it was supposed to be a simple message and look what it turned out to be.

      Anyway ...

      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

      ^^^^^
      If you're going to quote me, then quote me correctly - don't leave out stuff that can lead to misinterpretations.

      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      (When someone says you can get their product for free for 30 days, only to find out that you have to buy it first and if unsatisfied, you'll get your money back, not to mention using breaks at the end of the email, then my natural reaction to "I re-opened the offer because I got a lot of emails from people who were in vacation who wanted the product" is: that's a lie.)
      To me it was (and still is) a lie. But from there to say that I reported him for lying is exaggeration. As you can see from my original post:
      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      Unfortunately, this marketer doesn't use English, so I couldn't point out other things, such as bait-and-switch lines and perhaps even lies.
      ... meaning I only reported him for adding breaks to push the unsubscribe link lower.

      But that doesn't matter, and even if I was reporting him for lying (which I didn't) or accusing him here for lying (which I do): it doesn't freakin' matter! What matter is that you know who I'm referring to, and these people hurt our reputation and deliverability rates.

      So why don't we just all report them to Aweber or whoever you're doing business with, just as we report posts here, or just how people report crimes around the world?

      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

      You are possibly damaging someone's business without proof. That is very, very wrong.
      Since I didn't mention this to Aweber, and you and other memberes here don't know who this person is, I don't think this is a problem.

      I think we're allowed to say if someone is lying or not without giving names - after all, it's just an innocent opinion. If not, at least we're both in the same hole :
      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

      I actually have the same opinion as Lucian: he probably WAS lying.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
        If you report a marketer to any of their vendors with UNSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATIONS, you ARE damaging their business. You DID give AWeber their name, did you not? AWeber knows who they are.

        That DOES hurt their business.

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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Pretty sure Aweber tracks all of that on their end.

    Also, I see your point, but I'll bet it's not the best use of your time.

    Unless you have nothing better to do.

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    • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
      Oh come on people. Give him a break.

      Here are my views to some comments. (i admit that not all of us have the same opinions, thats how God made us. So just trying to share my views)

      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      If I come back tomorrow, will you have a signature? Or is that just a suspicious technique?
      I think its more of a "joke" to me.
      Its not a promo tactic.
      When i read it, to me, its saying in a funny way, i dont have anything to promote to you. If you want come back tmr. But that is more of a sarcasm in a joke.
      Its not something i took seriously and come back tmr.
      So this is different.

      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

      ^^^^^

      Reporting this WITHOUT PROOF is my problem. TPW read me correctly.

      I actually have the same opinion as Lucian: he probably WAS lying. I don't blame Lucian. But you can't accuse and report people based solely on your suspicions. Or call ANYONE a liar WITHOUT PROOF. It's unethical and extremely unprofessional. You are possibly damaging someone's business without proof. That is very, very wrong.

      On the other hand, if you have solid proof, then definitely report it!

      Michelle
      Hi there Michelle,

      I get you.
      But to me there is a difference between reporting and deciding his ultimate verdict.

      When you suspect something weird next door, u think your neighbour is running a prostitute ring, because every day different beautiful women walk in and out. Or many guys go in and out.

      You would report to the police right? (someone who has authority and resources and jurisdiction)
      Will the police ask you, do you have proof?
      No its up to them.
      In fact they will thank you.
      Its about doing your part as a community.
      The police cant be there watching every corner 24/7.

      Citizens need to report suspicious behavior or situations.

      So i feel he is just merely doing his part.



      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      Pretty sure Aweber tracks all of that on their end.

      Also, I see your point, but I'll bet it's not the best use of your time.

      Unless you have nothing better to do.

      Let the universe deal with them. They will get in return what they put out into the world.
      Erm, doesnt make sense to me.
      If universe deals with "bad" people there wouldnt need to be police and authorities and laws.

      And its not about worth your time or not.

      Its about community effort.

      And what more if whatever he is doing does hurt your business too, indirectly or directly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
        Originally Posted by mediamarket View Post

        you report 1 theres probably 5 more who take his place. Its never ending cycle.
        Doesnt mean you dont report them.

        In US and mexico, drug is a very big problem, you catch one ring or head, another one comes up to replace him.

        Does it mean you tell the police or government to not waste their efforts and resources and time? They could have spent it on better health care or defence or something else right?:p

        Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

        If you report a marketer to any of their vendors with UNSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATIONS, you ARE damaging their business. You DID give AWeber their name, did you not? AWeber knows who they are.

        That DOES hurt their business.

        Michelle
        Yes and its doing them a favor, if he did a JV or partnership and IF he did do something wrong, he will be bringing their business down too.
        So you report to whoever is related to it, let them do whatever investigation they want or can within their power and ask him what he was doing etc.

        If there is nothing wrong, i dont think it will affect his business.
        If he really didnt do anything wrong, he will have proof too.
        And he shouldnt be scared.

        Now if he did, then too bad, if his business is affected, so be it.
        No need to be sorry for people who dont play by the rules.




        Oh and btw, just thought of something.
        For those who still insist he could have better spent his time on building his business than tattling here or to aweber then my question to you is this : Could you have better spent your time building your business too rather than picking on the kid who "tattles" ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      Originally Posted by Nightengale View Post

      If you report a marketer to any of their vendors with UNSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATIONS, you ARE damaging their business. You DID give AWeber their name, did you not? AWeber knows who they are.

      That DOES hurt their business.

      Michelle
      At this point, all I can say is "lol". Really. Did you actually read the thread, Michelle? I take that you didn't, so I'll sum it up for you: I received an email with extra breaks (actually there were more than one) which I reported to Aweber. They were thrilled, and told me they contacted the account holder and asked him to remedy the problem.

      As for my accusations that he was lying, that was my personal opinion and it's clear from my original post that I didn't report that to Aweber, just the fact he uses extra breaks.

      Update:
      I just received an email from the marketer I reported, and would you look at that? now he doesn't use extra breaks at the end, after a series of at least 15 emails in which he did.

      Coincidence? Maybe. But probably not.

      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      Pretty sure Aweber tracks all of that on their end.
      I'm pretty sure you have no clue, and just imagine they do. It would probably be a privacy issue if they did (just a guess), but the fact that they were so thrilled when I contacted them via online chat and that they've acknowledged the problem and said they will take care of it makes me think they don't track these things.

      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      Also, I see your point, but I'll bet it's not the best use of your time.
      It literally takes me 10 minutes every few other days, when I check my email address which I use to subscribe to all kinds of lists. But your reply makes me wonder for how much longer I'm going to stick with 3rd party ESP like Aweber, and not go self-hosted, where I can control the servers and everything. One day people that say that I waste my time will find out that something went wrong with Aweber, won't understand why, and blame it on Aweber (naturally). I'm not taking that risk for much longer.

      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      Let the universe deal with them. They will get in return what they put out into the world.
      Tell me what you're smoking ...
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      • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
        Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post




        Tell me what you're smoking ...
        hahhaha! Thanks for the laughter.
        Well, daily dose of laughter. Checked!

        Good one.
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          If we had more people concerned for the good of the people like Lucian, I dare say that internet marketing as a whole and those that engage in it wouldn't have a negative connotation attatched to it in the eye of the general public like it presently does.

          In the real world, are we too busy concentrating on ourselves and our daily business that we wouldn't help the police solve a crime we were witness to? We wouldn't try to stop a purse snatcher from ripping off a lady's purse happening right before us, as a few examples?

          Why does the internet have to be any different?

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          • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post


            In the real world, are we too busy concentrating on ourselves and our daily business that we wouldn't help the police solve a crime we were witness to? We wouldn't try to stop a purse snatcher from ripping off a lady's purse happening right before us, as a few examples?

            Why does the internet have to be any different?
            Hey there Missterrak.

            Exactly!
            Yes i would. I would help.. And im proud.
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              Originally Posted by Newbieee View Post

              Hey there Missterrak.

              Exactly!
              Yes i would. I would help.. And im proud.
              Hi right back atcha! Oh, and good boy!

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            • Profile picture of the author PazG
              How have we gone from the 'grey' area of obscuring the unsubscribe link to purse snatching? Put your efforts into your own business man!
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              • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
                Originally Posted by PazG View Post

                How have we gone from the 'grey' area of obscuring the unsubscribe link to purse snatching? Put your efforts into your own business man!
                By making comparisons in the offline world to the online world. It's not really that difficult to understand if you have any degree of comprehension.

                By putting your efforts into stopping others' business when they are operating in shady methods, you are putting efforts into your own. I guess you can't see the forest for the trees. Sometimes you need to see the big picture.

                Oh, and I'm a woman.

                Terra
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                • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  Hi right back atcha! Oh, and good boy!

                  Terra
                  Yea i am.. oh and you reminded me of Ellen degenerous. hahaha. "i take all that, soak it in, and send it all right back atcha!" hahaha


                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  By making comparisons in the offline world to the online world. It's not really that difficult to understand if you have any degree of comprehension.

                  By putting your efforts into stopping others' business when they are operating in shady methods, you are putting efforts into your own. I guess you can't see the forest for the trees. Sometimes you need to see the big picture.
                  Another offline nature analogy came to mind.

                  Its like you plant a young tree in your backyard, and suddenly lots of weeds and ferns grow in the same area, affecting your tree's nutrition sunlight or whatever. Ferns and weeds represent the unethical marketers out there, because they are pests or parasites.

                  So do you just tell yourself, "just concentrate and spend my time and effort on watering my dear tree and giving it fertilizers" or will you "spend" some of your time plucking out those weeds.? And cutting out the ferns.
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                • Profile picture of the author PazG
                  Hi Miss

                  I wasn't actually referring to your message, just commenting on the general tone of the thread. And I was telling the OP to concentrate on his own business rather then others. I can see very clearly that you are a lady, thanks
                  Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

                  By making comparisons in the offline world to the online world. It's not really that difficult to understand if you have any degree of comprehension.

                  By putting your efforts into stopping others' business when they are operating in shady methods, you are putting efforts into your own. I guess you can't see the forest for the trees. Sometimes you need to see the big picture.

                  Oh, and I'm a woman.

                  Terra
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                  • Profile picture of the author Newbieee
                    Originally Posted by PazG View Post

                    How have we gone from the 'grey' area of obscuring the unsubscribe link to purse snatching? Put your efforts into your own business man!


                    Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post


                    In the real world, are we too busy concentrating on ourselves and our daily business that we wouldn't help the police solve a crime we were witness to? We wouldn't try to stop a purse snatcher from ripping off a lady's purse happening right before us, as a few examples?

                    Why does the internet have to be any different?

                    Terra
                    Originally Posted by PazG View Post

                    Hi Miss

                    I wasn't actually referring to your message, just commenting on the general tone of the thread. And I was telling the OP to concentrate on his own business rather then others. I can see very clearly that you are a lady, thanks

                    Does seems to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post


        I'm pretty sure you have no clue, and just imagine they do. It would probably be a privacy issue if they did (just a guess), but the fact that they were so thrilled when I contacted them via online chat and that they've acknowledged the problem and said they will take care of it makes me think they don't track these things.

        Tell me what you're smoking ...
        You're probably right, but I'll just keep focusing on making more and more money, which I am every month while you go chase all the bad guys.

        And I don't smoke anything...anymore...
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

          while you go chase all the bad guys.
          Can you say exaggeration? :p

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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

    Now, why did I do it? Because this affects us all, Aweber clients: personally, I know that I have to scroll to the bottom to click on that link to escape, but the average person doesn't, and he's more likely to click the "Report spam" button instead, driving down AWeber deliverability rates.

    I don't want this, and you, an Aweber client, don't want this as well. So let's give them a hand, because seriously, we're ultimately helping us out.
    I agree with this point of view. Once I opened a thread here about receiving multiple messages asking me to confirm that I wanted to download free ebooks I didn't download.

    During this discussion we talked about many other things concerning email marketing, including the fact that many times the unsubscribe link doesn't work. You click on it, but this link doesn't help you get rid of someone's messages. You only have the alternative to 'change your preferences'.

    I complained about this matter to Aweber, especially after verifying that a very famous internet marketer was using this trick, and he was an Aweber user. His unsubscribe link was very strange.

    I wrote about this case in the thread, but then the thread was locked.

    I had no intention to expose this internet marketer, but the intention to eliminate the fake unsubscribe links because this problem affects everyone. If people are afraid that the unsubscribe link doesn't work they will simply send all messages to the spam folder without thinking twice.

    After my message to Aweber, they changed their system during a weekend and now you don't have to click on 'unsubscribe from this list' again. Once you click on the unsubscribe link at the bottom of the page, you are immediately unsubscribed.

    I had to spend my time with this matter, but I believe it was necessary.

    When something unethical is done only by one person, I don't think I should condemn this person, but when something unethical is done by many people, and when it affects everyone else, I believe I have the moral obligation to do everything I can to correct this mistake.

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