Is It Illegal To Mention A Company's Name In Your Product?

by Monthy
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Hi there,

I want to ask you guys, particularly those of you who are lawyers, this:

Do you think it is illegal to include a name of a company in your own product, be it WSO, a Clickbank product, a set of Youtube videos or whatever the case may be? For example, if someone was to create a product about how to make money as an Amazon associate and named their product "Amazon Mastery System", would it infringe Amazon's intellectual property rights? Is it illegal to use their name even there's no intention to do any harm to them as a company? In fact, I think such a product could even be beneficial to Amazon because it might bring in new Associates and increase their total revenue by a bit.

Would there be a risk of getting sued and what are the odds? Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeanJames
    @Monthy - I will give you one piece of advice. NEVER use a trademark in your domain name, regardless of what else you do. So never call your site amazonXXXXXX.com (etc)

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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    It's definitely copyright theft to include a registered trademark into your WSO. I'm not sure why WF allows it to be honest. If the brands find out then you will be sent a C&D notice.

    I saw a blatant Tumblr copyright infringement the other day (WSO).
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    • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
      Originally Posted by smodha View Post

      It's definitely copyright theft to include a registered trademark into your WSO. I'm not sure why WF allows it to be honest. If the brands find out then you will be sent a C&D notice.

      I saw a blatant Tumblr copyright infringement the other day (WSO).
      Copyrights and trademarks are 2 completely different things
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      • Profile picture of the author smodha
        Originally Posted by Chase Watts View Post

        Copyrights and trademarks are 2 completely different things
        I'm aware of that. For example, I know you can mention Google in your copy as long as you acknowledge it's a trademark.

        The example I'm referring to is a blatant copyright infringement. The guy is using Tumblr in his branding (including EMD) as well as the exact logo/font in the copy.

        I know this is a violation from personal experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author Monthy
      Originally Posted by DeanJames View Post

      @Monthy - I will give you one piece of advice. NEVER use a trademark in your domain name, regardless of what else you do. So never call your site amazonXXXXXX.com (etc)

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      Thanks, Dean, what if we did not include the trademark in the domain name, yet we did in the product name? In other words, what if the domain name was something completely unrelated and yet within the product we mentioned "Amazon" many times throughout (for example, if the product was a series of videos about how to make money as an Amazon affiliate, we would not probably have to mention "Amazon" at least a few times in the videos, I think? Would that impose a legal risk?

      Originally Posted by smodha View Post

      It's definitely copyright theft to include a registered trademark into your WSO. I'm not sure why WF allows it to be honest. If the brands find out then you will be sent a C&D notice.

      I saw a blatant Tumblr copyright infringement the other day (WSO).
      Could you point me to the WSO so I can have a look? Either by direct-linking or a PM? Thank you!
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
        Originally Posted by Monthy View Post

        Thanks, Dean, what if we did not include the trademark in the domain name, yet we did in the product name? In other words, what if the domain name was something completely unrelated and yet within the product we mentioned "Amazon" many times throughout (for example, if the product was a series of videos about how to make money as an Amazon affiliate, we would not probably have to mention "Amazon" at least a few times in the videos, I think? Would that impose a legal risk?



        Could you point me to the WSO so I can have a look? Either by direct-linking or a PM? Thank you!
        Using someones trademark (whether in a domain, product name or for promotions) without their written permission can lead you to being asked to stop using it at best and at worst getting sued for what could be six figures with legal costs.
        Remember companies that have trademarks can lose them if they don't defend them.
        Also you should note that Amazon/ebay and such companies can and do ban a affliate accounts for such violations.

        Lastly is it really worth spending time building a business that could be taken away from you at any time??
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        • Profile picture of the author Monthy
          Originally Posted by Richard Tunnah View Post

          Using someones trademark (whether in a domain, product name or for promotions) without their written permission can lead you to being asked to stop using it at best and at worst getting sued for what could be six figures with legal costs.
          Remember companies that have trademarks can lose them if they don't defend them.
          Also you should note that Amazon/ebay and such companies can and do ban a affliate accounts for such violations.

          Lastly is it really worth spending time building a business that could be taken away from you at any time??
          I see your point and appreciate your reply.

          So you think if a business specialist writes a book named "Innovation In Business In The 21st Century" and uses many trademarks of certain companies throughout the book just for the purpose of giving some historical examples of what he's trying to convey to his readers, that would also be considered illegal without prior consent by these companies? Because this is exactly the example I was giving: Creating a product (be it a book, a WSO, a Clickbank product, whatever) and mentioning the names of the companies somewhere/anywhere in it, except in the domain name, in advertising and/or product name.

          Following this rule would render it impossible for even reporters to include any company names in their articles in the newspapers they write for.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by smodha View Post

      It's definitely copyright theft to include a registered trademark into your WSO.
      Definitely. And, theft to drive too fast.

      I know you can mention Google in your copy as long as you acknowledge it's a trademark.
      And if you don't it's what? An invasion of privacy? Even Google doesn't refer to it's trademark this way.

      If you have any questions I suggest you google it.

      Whoa? What is that lower case google? That is me using google as a generic search reference, which Google does not want because it could eventually lead to Google losing its trademark.

      Here is a cool list of trademarks that lost their trademark protection, like Zipper is now zipper.

      Why is that?

      Because a main purpose of a trademark is to identify a product with its creator to avoid consumer confusion. Using a trademark has nothing to do with copyright. Using a trademark like Google, as I just did, is not an infringement of trademark.

      If I created a search engine called GoogleOne your first thought upon seeing that name is not that I created it but that it is a new product by Google, Inc. Hence, consumer confusion and trademark infringement.

      However, if Microsoft, Ask, IXQuick, Duck Duck Go, etc., all provide googles, because google has become a generic reference to a search service, then Google loses its trademark because it is just another company providing a google. There is no consumer confusion because google is not associated with any company, but is associated with a type of product that many provide.

      Which brings us back to the original questions in the thread about whether Amazon Mastery System is infringing and whether it matters if it is somehow "beneficial" to Amazon.

      Benefiting the trademark owner is irrelevant and a common, but false, excuse marketers use.

      You can go to a bookstore and find hundreds of books with the name of a product or brand in the title. How to Create a Profitable eBay Business. How to Fix the Brakes on Your Chevy. The Warrior Forum for Dummies.

      It's obvious a third party is creating these products and this is obvious from other information on the product, such as the name of the product creator.

      Creating a product called: eBay's Guide to Selling for Profit might be different since the title implies the product is created by eBay.

      Thanks to massive cybersquatting there are special rules for domain names. Unlike a book, whether the name of the title may include a brand, but there is other obvious information about who wrote the book, a domain name stands alone. From just the domain name is there any confusion about whether the trademark owner owns the domain?

      The law in this area can be very complex and court opinions vary, but compare these two domains:

      amazonsystem.com and fredsamazonsystem.com

      I don't know how the former would be decided, but the latter is probably not infringing even though 'amazon' is used in the domain. No one would think Fred's Amazon System was created by Amazon. It was created by Fred.

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      • Profile picture of the author Monthy
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post


        The law in this area can be very complex and court opinions vary, but compare these two domains:

        amazonsystem.com and fredsamazonsystem.com

        I don't know how the former would be decided, but the latter is probably not infringing even though 'amazon' is used in the domain. No one would think Fred's Amazon System was created by Amazon. It was created by Fred.

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        Wouldn't, in this case, Fred be the infringer of the copyright, because he makes the term "Amazon" somewhat more generic and thus making it possible for the Amazon brand to become generalized? Or am I getting it wrong?
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Apparently this was not clear enough: there is no copyright issue. Period.

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          • Profile picture of the author Monthy
            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            Apparently this was not clear enough: there is no copyright issue. Period.

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            Is it common practice to contact a company before you use their brand name? What if a person from the company gives you written consent to do so and yet another person from the same company finds out about it and you end up being sued - Could you potentially use the written conversation as evidence of your asking for their permission in court?
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            • Profile picture of the author davezan
              Originally Posted by Monthy View Post

              Is it common practice to contact a company before you use their brand name? What if a person from the company gives you written consent to do so and yet another person from the same company finds out about it and you end up being sued - Could you potentially use the written conversation as evidence of your asking for their permission in court?
              Yes. Yes, though the latter still depends on a detail like if the person who gave
              you written consent has company authority in the first place.

              Personally, this issue depends on who you're potentially dealing with. Some may
              be okay with it, others may not make it worth the effort.

              If the company you have in mind isn't really Amazon, do a Google search on the
              actual one for (hopefully) any clues how they handle trademark or "likelihood of
              confusion" issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author DeanJames
    @Monthy,

    I am not qualified to give you advice on legalities or anything related to trademark infringement. With that in mind, as an example, there was a product called "Google Sniper" (the domain name didn't include the word 'Google'). As far as I can see, that product is still active.

    I don't know if that helps I'm just pointing out fact as it stands in the real world with one example.
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      • Profile picture of the author Monthy
        Originally Posted by DeanJames View Post

        @Monthy,

        I am not qualified to give you advice on legalities or anything related to trademark infringement. With that in mind, as an example, there was a product called "Google Sniper" (the domain name didn't include the word 'Google'). As far as I can see, that product is still active.

        I don't know if that helps I'm just pointing out fact as it stands in the real world with one example.
        Thank you, I have heard of the product, I think it's one of many of this kind.

        My intention wasn't to bother anyone on the forum or make anyone sick and tired, if I have, I apologize. I do think there's a plenty of lawyers from the U.S. on here who I thought could give me some proper piece of advice on this matter.

        If it's not permitted to ask legal-related questions on the WF, I can as well delete this thread.
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    I'm not really sure to be honest, I would just aboid mentioning the company if I were you
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  • it's probably not but (i'm not a lawyer) but I avoid it because some people are such control freaks if you mention their brand, company, product etc they will sue it's happened to me, so now I try to avoid it unless it's 100% positive even then I would be careful.
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  • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
    Originally Posted by Monthy View Post

    Hi there,

    I want to ask you guys, particularly those of you who are lawyers, this:

    Do you think it is illegal to include a name of a company in your own product, be it WSO, a Clickbank product, a set of Youtube videos or whatever the case may be? For example, if someone was to create a product about how to make money as an Amazon associate and named their product "Amazon Mastery System", would it infringe Amazon's intellectual property rights? Is it illegal to use their name even there's no intention to do any harm to them as a company? In fact, I think such a product could even be beneficial to Amazon because it might bring in new Associates and increase their total revenue by a bit.

    Would there be a risk of getting sued and what are the odds? Thanks.
    I once bought a domain name called AmazonGreen.com. As an Amazon affiliate, I planned to sell Amazon's green products on the site.

    Within two days of launching the site, Amazon's lawyers contacted me and told me I was infringing on the company's copyright and politely told me to take the site down. They also offered to pay for the cost of the domain, which they did.

    I could have contested Amazon's claim, but I do not have thousands of dollars and a battery of lawyers on staff to fight their legal point of view.

    Need any more proof?

    If you value your relationship with Amazon or any other major company, I highly suggest you avoid using their names in your pitches or products, unless they have given you permission to do so.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by lastreporter View Post

      I once bought a domain name called AmazonGreen.com. As an Amazon affiliate, I planned to sell Amazon's green products on the site.

      Within two days of launching the site, Amazon's lawyers contacted me and told me I was infringing on the company's copyright and politely told me to take the site down.
      As I read this you had a blank site and just a domain called amazongreen.com. Perhaps the domain was still parked.

      One lesson here is when you buy a domain to immediately put content on it that shows there is a non-infringing purpose. This may not have fit with your biz plan of using this as an Amazon affiliate, but you could have used this domain to discuss deforestation of the Amazon and the effect on world agriculture, farming, meat production, weather, global warming, etc.

      Later, you possibly could even have added Amazon affiliate links without a problem from Amazon.

      As for the issue of cost if Amazon were to have pursued a legal claim. There are two primary possibilities, a domain UDRP dispute and a trademark dispute.

      It costs nothing to defend a UDRP claim on your own and you probably would have won because Amazon is a geographic term predating the commercial website. I have seen many win UDRP claims like this on their own.

      If Amazon would have filed a trademark lawsuit in US federal court (by the way, it would not have because of what I am about to say) you may have had scores of attorneys lining up to defend you for free. Why? Because at that point, with just a domain name with an obvious generic purpose, and a legitimate use in mind, not only would lawyers be primed to get paid when sanctions were levied against Amazon for a frivolous claim, but they would be looking to get paid again to settle a threatened malicious prosecution claim against the company.

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      • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        If Amazon would have filed a trademark lawsuit in US federal court (by the way, it would not have because of what I am about to say) you may have had scores of attorneys lining up to defend you for free. Why? Because at that point, with just a domain name with an obvious generic purpose, and a legitimate use in mind, not only would lawyers be primed to get paid when sanctions were levied against Amazon for a frivolous claim, but they would be looking to get paid again to settle a threatened malicious prosecution claim against the company.

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        Thanks for the info; it's good to know.

        What I didn't mention is that I get a large percentage of my income from Kindle e-books, so I was also afraid Amazon might hurt me there.

        So, even though there was some doubt in their rights, I backed off because I depended on Amazon for most of my income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lokahi
    There are plenty of ebooks that include the word 'amazon' as part of the title. Whether or not that's considered trademark infringement is another matter.
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