Who has the gonads to do this

A: Almost no product will take a newbie with no experience and turn them into a success all by itself, so saying that would be foolish.

B: Unless the product includes personal mentoring and guidance as a normal part of the sale, adding that dilutes the alleged purpose of the exercise to the point of uselessness. Certainly, one could not represent the results of those people as being typical of what one could reasonably expect to achieve without said mentoring and guidance.

C: I think it's hysterically funny that people come in here tossing around testosterone-laden words in ways that seem designed to challenge the macho egos of "Gurus." Almost as though, if they fail to rise to your bait, you've somehow won something.


Paul

Carl, what these esteemed gentlemen are trying very gently to tell you is that no product, even a very special one, can make a person successful. It can only make a very, very determined and disciplined person successful. The magic ingredient is in the person, not in the product. (Makes you wonder why we're all so intent on the books, manuals and CDs, doesn't it?)

My grandaddy used to say, "Son, a good farm is in the man, not in the land."

Back in the 1920s, Richard Wyckoff, the brilliant Wall Street investor wrote: "The average man or woman seldom makes a success of anything."

By actual observation, consistently in any field, only about 5% of those in that field will be anything other than average to low achievers at any one time.

So here's the thing. If your hypothetical gonad-sie guru did make such an offer, we could expect to see some kind of success from about five out of every hundred people who received it. That seems to be a consistent pattern.

In an interesting study, researchers found that only about 20% of the bees in a hive were workers. They removed (presumably without killing them) a large number of those worker bees, and they discovered that drones changed physically to become new workers. Seems their society will have a certain balance, no matter what.

And my question to you is, if we removed all the gurus (presumably without killing them), do you think that a bunch of today's failures would suddenly morph into replacement gurus? Is that the way our hive is wired? (Or from another perspective, if you and I suddenly became super successful, would a couple of today's gurus be genetically forced to step down?)

Cheers from warm and smiling Thailand,
Charles

RIGHT THAT DOES IT!!! I am gonna prove to you once and for all that my system..... blah, blah, blah....yackety, yack."

Is that the sort response you where hoping for? ;o) It's not going to happen, there are no 'systems' that do what you want, there are no 'gurus' that need to do that with their systems, they sell well without the hassle so why bother.

Donno - guess I assumed that, (pre)historically, bees do the honey thing for their own benefit. And that humans and bears are just opportunists. But maybe you're right. Back to the old assume nothing - be unassuming - schtick.

Charles

Roger? Eyore, Eyore, Eyore to know better!

John

I don't see any "gauntlet" in the OP's post, doubt anyone successful would feel challenged by it.

As far as a marketing tactic, this is nothing new.

Including some guy- forget the name, who was "dropped off" in some big city with no money or ID and had to close some "no money down" real estate deal within 48 hrs. A gimmick that's all.

But by the time you pick up the phone to make the call, those first few positions will usually be taken. Then you get the opportunity to join at 75% off or whatever.

I don't think gonads has anything to do with it, if you fail it's on you- no one else.

And the success journal part is a great tip for anyone.

What was the question again?

Or more importantly, if someone typed out a post and no one was around to hear it would it make a sound?

<Reads whole thread, sits back, blinks>

I'm frightened, Auntie Em.

That's essentially what a BETA is for.

But if you are serious at making money online, you don't have the time to babysit people... the economies of scale are not there.

You have to know how to best spend your time. And when you are there ... if you get there you'll know what I mean.

Life is about opportunities, and while some people grind it out 10 hours a day... for people making money that is not the best use of their time.

Since these gurus already sell out everything they offer, I'd say zero.

I could do it, I'm absolutely sure of it.
It's finding a few people who will actually work that I would have more of a problem with.

Actually, I think it's a great idea, especially if you have a product that is supposed to be geared toward newbies. I don't think it'd be too hard to prescreen some newbies from this forum for a project like that. Hmmm, maybe I should try it myself.

Hey Carl,

Want to toss in my $0.02 here too. part of the problem with doing this is - a TON of people who say, "I want to learn how to make money online" are just simply too lazy to do the work. Some aren't, but many are.

So let's say I created a soup to nuts product and took on 5 guinea pigs. How would I know they're actually going to follow it as instructed and then do their part to log everything they did as you mentioned? They probably wouldn't.

When I created one of my eBooks, I took a guinea pig along for the ride - DURING the creation process. Now this was cool because it helped me know what I would be lacking for a newbie, what words I tossed around that she didn't know, and I included her success in my sales copy. She even wrote a report herself about the process and included an affiliate link to promote the product. She was a true success story, but she deserved her commission because she helped me create a better product.

Tiff

Hey Carl,

"Gurus" wouldn't have the gonads to say it, because it would be dumb. It simply can't be done.

You can't transform a singer with no talent - American Idol

You can't turn a hack into a pro - The Haney Project

You can guarantee improvement, but not success.

Charles post above is one of the best I've read on the subject.

Mark Robbins

I have seen it happen over and over. When you hand someone an opportunity they seldom do the required work

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Here's what I think: this has been attempted several times by real estate, stock investing, and internet marketing teachers / coaches / mentors (I detest the word "guru") and it usually blows up in their face because they often have to go through a fairly large sample of individuals to get the testimonials they want because results on not solely product-dependent.

It's easier to let the testimonials come to you naturally or simply ask for feedback after the purchase. You simply do not know how hungry someone is, despite what they might say, until you put them through the process. Anyone who has mentored or coached anyone else knows what I'm referring to or anyone who has sold a "how-to" product and has received reasons for the refund. This is why it has nothing to do with having "gonads", to me it's about being smart and using one's time efficiently. Most smart marketers don't want to set themselves for failure because they know they could have the best product, best system in the world and people will still find reasons to fail or find reasons why "it didn't work for me."

In a hypothetical sense it sounds like a great idea, but from both a reality and efficiency standpoint it's not. Can it be done? Well, I don't think it's impossible. I know I wouldn't go that route.

RoD