Using iwriter as a beginner

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I'm still pretty new to this forum and was recently told by a fellow warrior to try iwriter to develop my skills. So far I am pleased with the results and even though the pay isn't great, I'm building upon my writing skills and learning to promote different products. I would recommend anyone else that is new to online marketing to try using this free service to expand their knowledge and skills.

As for the more experienced warriors on the forum that may have used this service, I welcome any advice in being successful on this website. Also, are there any other freelance writing sites that you would recommend checking out?
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  • Profile picture of the author Beverley Boorer
    Hi there, I got my start with guru.com. I found it good to work through them and although the site may seem a little complicated now, it doesn't take that long to work it all out. This is a bidding site where you choose gigs and bid for them, which means that many others do the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author EdWagner
      There are other sites you can find work on like textbroker.com or you can even find writing Gigs on Fiverr, Elance, or oDesk. All good places to hone your skills.

      After you develop your skills, hopefully you can graduate from the "content mills" and find regular clients that will come to seek you out and will pay you handsomely.
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      • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
        I've heard a lot of good stuff about oDesk and Elance, are they a good place for beginners to find work or should I build more experience first?
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      • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
        And as far as Guru goes it sounds promising but I've never been a huge fan of bidding sites. Who knows maybe I'll just get my feet wet and try them all, I guess it couldn't hurt!
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        • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
          I used iwriter and textbroker and they're both great. Just keep writing high quality articles everyday or a couple days a week. You can make $200 or more a week once you get a 4.5 rating in iwriter or 4 stars in textbroker and you get good at writing articles fast.
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          • Profile picture of the author helen jones
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            Originally Posted by tvon View Post

            I used iwriter and textbroker and they're both great. Just keep writing high quality articles everyday or a couple days a week. You can make $200 or more a week once you get a 4.5 rating in iwriter or 4 stars in textbroker and you get good at writing articles fast.
            What is your volume of work for 200$/week? I've seen their rates and they aren't so high. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    Iwriter is a decent place to start. I personally never used it because of the low rates but if you just want to practice writing it is a good place to start. But, don't get stuck there. Once you are confident with your skills market your services on other websites and charge your own rates. Better yet, create your own website and let clients come to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
      Are there any specific websites to market services on that you found worked well for you?
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      • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
        Originally Posted by St Pierre View Post

        Are there any specific websites to market services on that you found worked well for you?
        Yeah, this website. It costs 20$ to post your ad and you can easily find good clients. I also used Digital Point Forums for awhile but got tired of it. And I don't like the new layout at all.

        Right now I am trying to build my rep on elance and Odesk while working on my personal website.

        Good luck!

        Don't give up!

        Edit * I actually just started using iwriter, wrote my first article and got a 5 star rating and approval within 50 minutes. So, I think I will give it another shot. Always nice to have extra sources of income.
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        • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
          Awesome thanks for the sites I'll have to check it out. And don't you love how fast the results are on iwriter? I can't wait to get my rank up and make some more cash!
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    It takes in between 1 and 72 hours for one of your articles to be approved/rejected on iwriter.

    Yeah, I have been pumping out some articles every now and then. When you have less than 5 ratings you can only write 1 article every 40 minutes, even if that article is just 100 words long. Just focus on writing decent articles and you will move up ranks in no time.

    Good luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
      I have already gotten my fifth 5 star ranking and a few special offers from people that liked my writing. These offers have provided me with a steady flow of work from requesters tha g e good ratings. At this rate it shouldn't be long before I move up in status. My goal is to make $100 by the end of next week.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    That good to hear St Pierre.

    Unfortunately, I haven't been having good experiences with them. I wrote 4 articles, 2 five star ratings and 2 one star ratings and then my account was banned due to low rating. And the funny thing about it is that my articles were rejected for no reason and they didn't even ask me to revise any of the articles.

    The articles were not bad, no typos or spelling mistakes, and I did my best to include the keywords no matter how difficult they were to include in the article. But they were still rejected.

    So, whatever. I don't plan on working for peanuts anyways.

    One of the people who gave me a one star rating basically said the article was terrible and spun and didn't include his keywords which is just a blatant lie because the article was decent, included his keywords, and was 100% unique.

    Maybe I am just unlucky and accepted the orders from clients who just rip off the writers and try to abuse the system. But, never the less, I won't be using iwriter again.

    Just a little heads up. Don't get too comfortable, anyone can give you a bad rating and the support won't investigate. At least, The Content Authority has a team of support that reviews your articles before they are sent to the client.

    So enough ranting. I just thought you guys should know that anyone on iwriter can give you a bad rating even if your article is perfect. And when you get a bad rating your account can be banned without any warnings. I didn't even get a email notification.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brad Callen
      Originally Posted by timbonitus View Post

      Just a little heads up. Don't get too comfortable, anyone can give you a bad rating and the support won't investigate. So enough ranting. I just thought you guys should know that anyone on iwriter can give you a bad rating even if your article is perfect. And when you get a bad rating your account can be banned without any warnings. I didn't even get a email notification.
      Hmm... Amanda, in the support desk, always "investigates" should a writer receive a bad rating for a "bad" reason, but you need to submit a support ticket and explain things, otherwise, we have no way of knowing.
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        I mean no disrespect to anyone whatsoever, but I can't help but notice a recurring theme throughout this thread and it is that you should start out at content mills for pittance for pay and then work your way up. I don't get it. :confused:

        Okay, the best way that I know how to describe what I'm trying to say is by substituting the phrase "writing circus" for "content mills" and take it from there. In a writing circus you are relegated to a little monkey trained to jump through hoops in order to receive peanuts for pay.

        If you know that you are an above average writer take out the trainer, the ringmaster and the big top and start your own business website. Make sure you include samples of your writing and some testimonials of your work. Include some rewrites to showcase your skills as well. You can easily get some free PLR articles, rewrite those and show the before and after pieces.

        Set your price according to what you believe you are worth including your skill level, your research time and writing time and then stick to your guns no matter what. There is a whole big world out there beyond the penny per word buying crowd. You don't need to start out in the circus! People who desire a corporate career do not start out in the circus!

        Anyway, I wish you all loads of success and joy in the journey.

        Terra
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

          I mean no disrespect to anyone whatsoever, but I can't help but notice a recurring theme throughout this thread and it is that you should start out at content mills for pittance for pay and then work your way up. I don't get it. :confused:
          I'm so glad you posted.

          I don't get it, either. I never have.

          I started writing articles for marketers when I was just 18 (the customers didn't know that!) for $25 each, very briefly, and rapidly increased it to $50 each as soon as I realised there were more work, more credibility, and more returning customers at higher prices.

          Starting out writing for peanuts, planning to raise your prices when you have some regular customers, just doesn't work. It's based on a really fundamental misunderstanding of how this market works. And that matters! Because what you earn by writing articles for other people depends on your marketing skills every bit as much as on your writing skills.

          Writing articles for $5/$10 is absolutely hopeless. There are about as many service-providers as customers in that part of the market, so it's the most difficult and most competitive place to start. :p

          There's a lot more information here (and in the posts/threads linked to inside this post), about the realities of this market: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8186812
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  • Profile picture of the author isadoregregory
    I'm glad you are doing a good start at iwriter. How about Fiverr, have you tried that too?
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  • Profile picture of the author seekdefo
    I would rather suggest you to not work for peanuts, there are thousands of bloggers who make good money. They get busy and they always wish for someone to write some articles for them. Even though they don't voice it fearing that the quality may go down if you can convince few such bloggers to hire you, you get a better pay for your work, there are other ways too
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  • Profile picture of the author FitMarketer
    I signed up to iWriter today but there are no standard articles for me to write?

    How do I upgrade if I cannot write any articles?

    Anyone else having problems with this?
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    • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
      It's unfortunate you had the bad experience with the raters but in order to avoid that you should check out their reviews and especially approval rate. I have submitted about 27 articles now and they have almost all received five stars.

      I'm by no means bragging, I just made sure that the reviewers had good approval rates and eventually got some steady work with some of them. If I manage to get at least 4 stars on my next three, I will automatically be moved to elite status where I will make much more than peanuts for a simple 500 word article.
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      • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
        Originally Posted by St Pierre View Post

        It's unfortunate you had the bad experience with the raters but in order to avoid that you should check out their reviews and especially approval rate. I have submitted about 27 articles now and they have almost all received five stars.

        I'm by no means bragging, I just made sure that the reviewers had good approval rates and eventually got some steady work with some of them. If I manage to get at least 4 stars on my next three, I will automatically be moved to elite status where I will make much more than peanuts for a simple 500 word article.
        Yeah, I think that was where I screwed up. I didn't pay attention to the clients approval/reject ratio and I picked the clients who reject articles for no reason. I tried logging in today just to see if my account was still banned and the ban seems to have been lifted or maybe it was just a glitch.

        Never the less, I only have 3 stars now, and I am not sure if it is worth the effort to improve my star rating. Maybe if I have absolutely no work I will pump out a few articles for them.
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    • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
      Originally Posted by FitMarketer View Post

      I signed up to iWriter today but there are no standard articles for me to write?

      How do I upgrade if I cannot write any articles?
      You just need to keep checking. Every few minutes there is usually a new submission. At some points there will be over ten and other times of the day you will find none. If you keep working with small articles you will move up and rank and have many more options at basically any point in the day.
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  • Profile picture of the author VA2011
    I don't like the pay rate right now, but I'm working slowly when I'm bored and I hope I can move up in a few days. Elite, or even Premium pay rates are way better, and I'll finally be able to have some money to invest in real IM.

    Good luck to both of us.
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    • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
      Originally Posted by vitorassuena View Post

      I don't like the pay rate right now, but I'm working slowly when I'm bored and I hope I can move up in a few days. Elite, or even Premium pay rates are way better, and I'll finally be able to have some money to invest in real IM.

      Good luck to both of us.
      I just got promoted to elite, it does take a bit of time and the pay may be stingy but once you get there it is worth it. I'm making up to $15 on simple 500 word articles. The beauty of it is that I can write articles on my phone at my job so I'm making money while making money I hope you find the same success!

      As far as volume of work for $200 goes, you would probably have to rank up first and than write about three articles a day. Not bad considering a 500 word article on average takes less than an hour to write, even a half hour if you are good enough. This website may not be a goldmine and it certainly is no way to get rich. It is something you can easily do in your spare time to improve your vital writing skills. Definitely a way to strengthen your presence in internet marketing and a great place for beginners.
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      • Profile picture of the author VA2011
        Originally Posted by St Pierre View Post

        I just got promoted to elite, it does take a bit of time and the pay may be stingy but once you get there it is worth it. I'm making up to $15 on simple 500 word articles. The beauty of it is that I can write articles on my phone at my job so I'm making money while making money I hope you find the same success!

        As far as volume of work for $200 goes, you would probably have to rank up first and than write about three articles a day. Not bad considering a 500 word article on average takes less than an hour to write, even a half hour if you are good enough. This website may not be a goldmine and it certainly is no way to get rich. It is something you can easily do in your spare time to improve your vital writing skills. Definitely a way to strengthen your presence in internet marketing and a great place for beginners.
        $30 a day is good enough for me, really. I think I'll work hard the next few days so I can get promoted to Elite.
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        • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
          Originally Posted by vitorassuena View Post

          $30 a day is good enough for me, really. I think I'll work hard the next few days so I can get promoted to Elite.
          Also, on some days you may feel ambitious and take on more than just three. Not too mention there are a few articles that pay more than average once you reach elite status. I also work on text broker, a similar freelance site that offers some decent pay.

          My advice would be sticking to people with high approval ratings and good reviews. If you notice that someone posts jobs often and they have given you a 5 star rating before, try and jump on the opportunity to work for them and they may send you special offers as well. I jumped on the opportunity to write the shorter articles which allowed me to get 30 done in only a few days.

          Let me know if you need any help in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhuff85
    Why not take all of that effort that you're using to to make a few bucks through a content mill and work on building up your own clientele instead? You could literally double or triple your current income. Plus, you'll be developing real relationships that can truly turn into something beautiful (and highly profitable).

    Content mills are alluring for the fact that you don't have to work hard to gain clients. I get that. While you might make a few bucks quickly, you'll also pay a hefty price competing with the bottom feeders. In my opinion, you're only selling yourself short.

    There was a time when I wrote for these places (when I first got my feet wet in the writing biz). Most (not all) of the people requesting content at these places are sharks. They have some of the most stringent requirements, yet are only willing to pay pennies on the dollar for it.

    It's fine to use "the mills" as a crutch or during some extreme downtime, but I wouldn't invest all of my time writing for one when I can build up my own business instead.

    If you're even half the writer than most of the people at these places, you can do better on your own!
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    • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
      Would you suggest using this forum as a way to get some clients?
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      • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
        Originally Posted by St Pierre View Post

        Would you suggest using this forum as a way to get some clients?
        Oh, definitely!

        I used to struggle to find writing work online until I found this forum. I created a account way back in 2010 and pretty much forgot about it until around the beginning of this year. I decided to pay the 20$ fee to post my ad here Warriors For Hire and since then I have been getting a steady stream of work.

        On top of that, the clients that I get from this forum are much more friendly and pleasant to work with than clients from other forums and websites.

        So, I highly recommend opening a thread in that section. Once you do that, this thread will help you market it properly http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...iors-hire.html

        Good luck!
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  • That's great keep making content first and then make any post to other sites with related keywords on it to drive more traffic to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I wouldn't limit myself to just freelance sites. You might get into a price war with some of the other writers. Start your own site and charge what you feel you worth. Add case studies, testimonials, and samples of your work to show prospects your worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonBennet
    Congratulation to you for taking the first step and taking action. If you have some budget, you might want to start off writing some articles for your own website and start growing your own list of subscribers. There are many reasons why many of the marketers keep recommending people to build their list.
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    • Profile picture of the author troysavary
      I checked out iwriter but there were no articles available for a newbie. I'll have to check later. I'll probably just stick to writing for myself, but the thread caught my attention so I thought I would check the site out.

      Is there any protection against the person rejecting your article to avoid paying, then using it anyway?
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      • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
        I'm not sure about the protection thing, I have stuck to people with high approval ratings and good ratings to avoid that.
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  • Profile picture of the author aurettemag
    i prefer service in WF for hire. Since we build relationship, you always has better price and quality
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  • Profile picture of the author Beginnergirl
    Ill check out iwritter too now lol thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author Beginnergirl
      Can you tell me how many article you wrote to get to elite standard and you received above 4 rating in all of them? or some of them had low rating too?
      thank you
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      • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
        Originally Posted by Beginnergirl View Post

        Can you tell me how many article you wrote to get to elite standard and you received above 4 rating in all of them? or some of them had low rating too?
        thank you
        You have to have 30 ratings with an avegerage rating of more than 4.5 stars to write the higher ranked articles. A few low ratings won't hurt y
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        • Profile picture of the author Beginnergirl
          Originally Posted by St Pierre View Post

          You have to have 30 ratings with an avegerage rating of more than 4.5 stars to write the higher ranked articles. A few low ratings won't hurt y
          oh ok, i wrote three so far and in one got 3 rating lol, lets see what i get in next two. when you write for someone which approval rate you go for? the one i wrote had approval rate 70%. thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
    I just try to stick to people that are above 50%. Some of my best clients have been lower however.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketMaster13
      Personally i didn't start up with iwriter but it sounds a good place to start with.
      I know much of oDesk and Elance as good sites for skilled persons.
      So may after iwriter you can graduate sites like oDesk or Elance or better still create your own site and charge your best prices.
      All the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author St Pierre
    It's been a little while so I thought I would bump a little freshness into this post. Since I started writing on iWriter and several other sites a few months back, I have generated a solid stream of income writing online. Even as a full time college student I have found the time to write a few articles a week and make some good money. When I checked my writing bank account, I was actually really surprised to see how much money had accumulated. I decided to write a comprehensive guide on how I did this in a matter of months on my blog here - Writing Online For Money - Brain Food Writing

    I love writing, and I know many of you do as well. I just wanted to share a little information that might help you guys make money doing what you love like me. It is mainly a post for beginner writers that explains how I solidified a foundation of income and generated loyal clients for my freelance writing. Hope it helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author Beginnergirl
      Originally Posted by St Pierre View Post

      It's been a little while so I thought I would bump a little freshness into this post. Since I started writing on iWriter and several other sites a few months back, I have generated a solid stream of income writing online. Even as a full time college student I have found the time to write a few articles a week and make some good money. When I checked my writing bank account, I was actually really surprised to see how much money had accumulated. I decided to write a comprehensive guide on how I did this in a matter of months on my blog here - Writing Online For Money - Brain Food Writing

      I love writing, and I know many of you do as well. I just wanted to share a little information that might help you guys make money doing what you love like me. It is mainly a post for beginner writers that explains how I solidified a foundation of income and generated loyal clients for my freelance writing. Hope it helps!

      Nice job... I just wrote 18 article so far lol but i find it good even though two of them gave me low rating for no reason, im happy with 16 good rating.

      I found a site called opinion outpost... its good survey site for beginner, has plenty of survey and can make easily 5$ a day.

      and also user testing which pays 10$ for 20 min website testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Payne
    @St Pierre,

    I think you'll be better off building an authority blog in a specific niche with low competition and use iWriter to add quality content to your site. Then you could promote and rank that site and I'm sure you'd make a lot more money from affiliate sales.

    It takes a bit of time until you see results but this way you'll be building your own business instead of working for others.

    If you decide to give it a try, make sure you build a list as well. That's one of the most important assets that you can build for your online business.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Says
    Originally Posted by St Pierre View Post

    I'm still pretty new to this forum and was recently told by a fellow warrior to try iwriter to develop my skills. So far I am pleased with the results and even though the pay isn't great, I'm building upon my writing skills and learning to promote different products. I would recommend anyone else that is new to online marketing to try using this free service to expand their knowledge and skills.

    As for the more experienced warriors on the forum that may have used this service, I welcome any advice in being successful on this website. Also, are there any other freelance writing sites that you would recommend checking out?
    I was on the opposite side of iWriter. I wasn't a writer, but rather a buyer.

    Every article I ordered (from a select few writers) was high quality/quickly delivered and because of that I stuck solely to those writers.

    In the course of a year I ordered more than 1,000 articles from those few writers.

    My advice.. be like them. Prove you can provide quality and respond quickly. If you can do that, you'll do great at freelance writing.

    Even today I still only order my articles from those 3 writers.

    Justin Lewis
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    I have never written for iwriter but I dpend a lot of money a week there.

    I have always been really happy with the quality and although spending a little extra money is need to ensure you get the best writers.

    Danny

    I did a review of iwriter recently on my blog :-)
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