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Opinions Please: clickbank salespages w/ opt-in forms only

by lover and fighter
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I've seen clickbank products that have some copy and then an opt-in at the bottom, but no option to buy. It seems free, but then the user is taken to another page that actually does the selling and presents the buy option.

One example is getcashforsurveys.com (no affiliate link)

Do you think this increases conversions to buy, or is this more of a "back-end" type thing where list building is the main goal? And in that case, are affiliates turned off from promoting the product because there's more weight on building a list for someone else vs making sales quickly?

What do you think?
#clickbank #forms #opinions #optin #salespages #w or
  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    Alexa will be along in a minute to tell you that affiliates don't like leaks and potential leaks. They just want the visitor directed by some effective copy to the pay link.
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    • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
      Originally Posted by SunilTanna View Post

      Alexa will be along in a minute to tell you that affiliates don't like leaks and potential leaks. They just want the visitor directed by some effective copy to the pay link.
      I pretty much agree with this. I don't really like sending my traffic to, essentially, someone else's opt-in page.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Almost no serious, pro-affiliate is willing to send their traffic to a sales-page which contains an opt-in, for all the reasons explained at great length and in great detail in this fine thread (it does contain a few factual errors and some mistaken assumptions, too - but they are corrected - well worth reading carefully all the way through!): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...oduct-opt.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Jarrett
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    There's ALOT of top products on clickbank and Clicksure where they have people put at least their email in first before getting taken to the checkout.

    by the time people get to the sales page.. there's still alot of people who are on the fence.. not quite ready to buy.. and as soon as they see the price they're out.

    Well now that you got their email first.. you haven't lost them.. you can send them a few emails over the next few days on the product and get them to buy.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Jarrett View Post

      Well now that you got their email first.. you haven't lost them.. you can send them a few emails over the next few days on the product and get them to buy.
      And that's exactly why no serious, pro-affiliates will send their traffic to those pages, of course.

      We want the potential customer on our list, when we've used our skills, effort, time and money to generate them, not on the vendor's list.

      We have that product itself and other stuff to promote by email, too - just like the vendor does.

      We don't want the customer "accidentally" ending up buying the product through the vendor's husband's dog's hoplink which "inconveniently" overwrites our own in an email sent out by the vendor (as allowed by ClickBank!). As the saying goes, it only happens all the time. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Jarrett
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        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        And that's exactly why no serious, pro-affiliates will send their traffic to those pages, of course.
        You do realize that Google Sniper asks for email address before people buy as well as most major IM launches that have happened in the last year or so?

        and they seem to be doing just fine on affiliates?

        If you don't like it, nor want to be an affiliate for products that ask people to opt in to buy.. that's fine.

        But don't state something as fact, 'no serious pro affiliate will send their traffic to those pages' when the top affiliates in the game ARE right now.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Jarrett View Post

          they seem to be doing just fine on affiliates?
          How do you know? Let's not forget that typically, overall, about 5% of the affiliates make over 95% of the affiliate-referred sales, and the remaining 95% of affiliates collectively make fewer than 5%, so it's perhaps not quite optimal to draw conclusions from affiliate numbers.

          Strangely enough, all the people I know who are making their full-time livings as ClickBank affiliates seem to feel that it would be a big mistake to promote IM/MMO-related products through ClickBank, as an affiliate: it's pretty hard to be paid the commissions you earn, that way, because a proportion of the potential customers for those products are themselves ClickBank affiliates already, and they're hardly going to buy a product through your hoplink when they can it through their own, are they (since ClickBank allows this)?

          However, it wouldn't surprise me at all if some of those IM-related and MMO-related products are exactly the ones pulling this trick.

          All that any vendor who wants to use an opt-in on their sales page for their own purposes has to do is to have two copies of the sales page, anyway: one with the opt-in and one without it. That way, they can give their affiliates a choice.

          Many vendors, of course, do exactly this as long experience has understandably taught them that they can't attract the serious affiliates without doing so.

          If a vendor's unwilling to do that, even on request, one is entitled to ask oneself what exactly they're really telling one about the way they like to do business.

          As observed above, you'll find all the points of view and perspectives (both logical and misguided) given an airing in this thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author arojilla
        Even somebody like me that has never done affiliate sales before can see that this is wrong and only benefits the vendor. If they want they email they should ask for it AFTER they have shown the price and buy button, not before.
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