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Empower Network! NEED ANSWER ASAP

by yurij13
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alright so i bought the 25$ fee and then i have to pay another like 25$ fee or something to sell their products.
But they only have like 5 products to sell >.<....

And there all just their "How to make money" products...

Wouldnt clickbank be easier to sell because there is more products..?
#answer #asap #empower #network
  • Profile picture of the author RyanGillam
    You made a huge mistake signing up to Empower network. It would have been much better to take your $25.00 sign up fee and launch a website of your own.
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    • Profile picture of the author lattlay123
      Originally Posted by RyanGillam View Post

      You made a huge mistake signing up to Empower network. It would have been much better to take your $25.00 sign up fee and launch a website of your own.
      Yeah I hate to say it, but you just got ripped off. This article is pretty thorough about it: The Empower Network Ripoff – Don’t Buy Into the Hype - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online
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      • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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        Originally Posted by RyanGillam View Post

        You made a huge mistake signing up to Empower network. It would have been much better to take your $25.00 sign up fee and launch a website of your own.
        Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

        Have we learned something?

        Empower Network will let you sell five products for a $25 fee.

        Clickbank will let you sell fifty thousand products for free.

        Over time, you will start to see this pattern where people who charge you to work for them are not worth working for.
        Originally Posted by lattlay123 View Post

        Yeah I hate to say it, but you just got ripped off. This article is pretty thorough about it: The Empower Network Ripoff – Don’t Buy Into the Hype - Ways to Avoid SCAMS Online
        Don't get why people still try to push this MLM stuff...quite sorry for newbies who fall for it thinking they can make it big with this.

        Seriously those of you who are looking to learn internet marketing, your better bet would be:
        1. to sign up for an account on WF and read about.
        2. Find what you're most comfortable with (I personally found I don't like creating/selling product though CPA and SEO stuff is fun. Pick something you enjoy so you can really work with something you like)
        3. Learn as much as you can about it and put some thing in action. Don't try too many projects straightaway as tempting as it might be.
        4. Post your questions if you need some guidance (after you've done your prior searches)
        5. See how you can scale it and expand your knowledge...keep optimize
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Have we learned something?

    Empower Network will let you sell five products for a $25 fee.

    Clickbank will let you sell fifty thousand products for free.

    Over time, you will start to see this pattern where people who charge you to work for them are not worth working for.
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    • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      Have we learned something?

      Empower Network will let you sell five products for a $25 fee.
      I am not a member of Empower, but I believe it is worse than that.

      You are only allowed to sell products that you are buying yourself (subscription products) or have bought (for one-off products)

      And if you want to sell anything, you also have to pay the affiliate fee, which I think is $20 per month or something.

      So if you want to sell the $25/month product, you need to pay $45 per month.

      If you want to sell the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th empower products, then you need to buy them too - some of them are also monthly subscriptions, whereas are one-off purchases.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Quinlan
      I think you have missed the point here they are not selling 5 sites for 25$ that is only the first site the rest escalate in value. Wether you like it or loathe it you have to admit there are a lot of people making a lot of money.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Everything I have seen regarding empower has been 1 giant crock of shit. From the big billboard sized checks, to the glamour stories, to the avalanche of spam on google... and on this site.... it all wreaks like snake oil. The most vile, rotten, snake oil I can imagine.

    I don't know what it is, but I resent their style, their marketing, everything about their "network". They appeal to broke newbies w/out money, then once you join they demand your money to "make money" selling their garbage.

    I wish we could have a sticky about them tbo. Cause so many newbs get swindled into their bs.

    And to answer your question YES, Clickbank is a MUCH smarter decision. They don't charge you for anything and you can actually make money promoting their products. Just be careful which products you promote.

    -Red

    edit: CDarklock said it best, completely agree.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      They appeal to broke newbies w/out money,
      Yep, I never seen any products like that on Clickbank. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

        Yep, I never seen any products like that on Clickbank. lol
        I'm thinking many of those that appeal to broke desperate newbies w/out money have been migrated to a few of the newer affiliate networks :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author yurij13
    aww shit lol. well im cancelling now. i knew it was shit
    thanks for letting me know.
    I knew it was bs, i fell for it =/

    I should just stick with clickbank right?
    But i need some mentor to help me out with clickbank on how to sell the right way =/

    Im currently doing cpa and earning $200-400/day but i wanna start with clickbank and im unsure of how to start =/
    Hope someone can help me.
    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
      Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

      I knew it was bs, i fell for it =/
      Plenty of people do well with Empower. It works if you work it. Working it just takes certain skills and you have to build a certain kind of business. Most people don't have those skills and don't want that kind of business.

      But those who do (on both counts) can and will do very well indeed. I am not one of those people. Chances are you're not, either. And it is to Empower's advantage if you don't find out you aren't one of those people until they get as much money out of you as they can.

      Therein lies the bullshit. Not that money can be made; it can. The bullshit is generally the part where they say you can make it, and every time you say "I'm not so sure about this" you just need to give them more money, and in the end it will all be your fault that it doesn't work because you weren't committed.

      You should definitely study the hell out of why and how this approach works.
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    • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
      Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

      aww shit lol. well im cancelling now. i knew it was shit
      thanks for letting me know.
      I knew it was bs, i fell for it =/

      I should just stick with clickbank right?
      But i need some mentor to help me out with clickbank on how to sell the right way =/

      Im currently doing cpa and earning $200-400/day but i wanna start with clickbank and im unsure of how to start =/
      Hope someone can help me.
      Thanks!
      You're doing $200-$400/day with CPA?

      Honestly, if you're doing that well with CPA I don't think you need any help with CB. But its the same thing basically. Converting offer + targeted traffic = sales.

      I'm not making that much with CB but if you have any specific questions I can try to help.

      -Red
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      • Profile picture of the author yurij13
        Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

        You're doing $200-$400/day with CPA?

        Honestly, if you're doing that well with CPA I don't think you need any help with CB. But its the same thing basically. Converting offer + targeted traffic = sales.

        I'm not making that much with CB but if you have any specific questions I can try to help.

        -Red
        Yeah. But 200-400$/day really is not enough for me. I'm trying to hit the 1k mark, and I want to do half of it with clickbank. I've been doing CPA for a while, I wanna start something new. Thing about me is that I only know how to do seo on my website and rank YouTube videos, thats how I make my money. And I'm sure promoting clickbank products is different. I heard you guys use like ppv ads and all that stuff, I have no clue... And I have no clue on how to make a landing page where people opt in with their email and then it redurects them to the product page. Hope someone can help me out with this. I'd really like to get started ASAP. I have watched many videos about clickbank. I just don't know what to buy to gain traffic (that's why I fell for empower network). Not sure if I'm supposed to by ppc/ppv type ads.. And all that stuff.

        If someone can help me though Skype that would be great.
        Skype is: cpamoney

        Thank you all!
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

          I've been doing CPA for a while, I wanna start something new.
          Many people making $200-$400 per day through CPA would want to scale that up rather than starting something new. But some people would rather start something new, and I do see the appeal of that (I sometimes feel the same way: I'm an affiliate marketer really, but I started up a little "domaining" business on the side just because I wanted to start something new).

          Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

          I only know how to do seo on my website and rank YouTube videos, thats how I make my money. And I'm sure promoting clickbank products is different.
          This is very perceptive of you. You're right. There are perhaps some people making some money from ClickBank by doing SEO and videos, but these are not good approaches, overall. This might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523

          Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

          I have no clue on how to make a landing page where people opt in with their email and then it redurects them to the product page.
          You need their email addresses, for sure, but don't redirect them to the product page too quickly! If you do that, the open-rate for the emails you send them will almost certainly be far lower. And you don't actually gain anything from it, because any sales you make that way will be sales you were going to make soon anyway. This post might help you (in future, if not now): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8375358

          Well done for realising quickly that Empower was a mistake. I'll be very surprised indeed if it still exists in another couple of years (and so will some lawyers I know!).
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          • Profile picture of the author yurij13
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Many people making $200-$400 per day through CPA would want to scale that up rather than starting something new. But some people would rather start something new, and I do see the appeal of that (I sometimes feel the same way: I'm an affiliate marketer really, but I started up a little "domaining" business on the side just because I wanted to start something new).



            This is very perceptive of you. You're right. There are perhaps some people making some money from ClickBank by doing SEO and videos, but these are not good approaches, overall. This might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523



            You need their email addresses, for sure, but don't redirect them to the product page too quickly! If you do that, the open-rate for the emails you send them will almost certainly be far lower. And you don't actually gain anything from it, because any sales you make that way will be sales you were going to make soon anyway. This post might help you (in future, if not now): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8375358

            Well done for realising quickly that Empower was a mistake. I'll be very surprised indeed if it still exists in another couple of years (and so will some lawyers I know!).

            Thanks for this info! i love how you break it down like that
            Well ill look though the links.
            Thanks!
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            • Profile picture of the author mrkitty
              Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

              Thanks for this info! i love how you break it down like that
              Well ill look though the links.
              Thanks!
              Now ignore everything she said. If you know how to promote CPA, you know how to promote Clickbank. If you're making $200-$400 a day promoting CPA with seo and youtube, there's no reason you can't do the exact same thing with Clickbank. Plenty of people already are doing just that.
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              • Profile picture of the author CPAMoney
                Originally Posted by mrkitty View Post

                Now ignore everything she said. If you know how to promote CPA, you know how to promote Clickbank. If you're making $200-$400 a day promoting CPA with seo and youtube, there's no reason you can't do the exact same thing with Clickbank. Plenty of people already are doing just that.
                oooooo im good with cpa too
                making 300+/day

                hmhm
                so if i promote with my exact same youtube method and my website seo i will get good results??

                because i though its like mandatory to have an email list and all that stuff.
                And then do some ppc ads or w.e?..
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Daley
      Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

      aww shit lol. well im cancelling now. i knew it was shit
      thanks for letting me know.
      I knew it was bs, i fell for it =/

      I should just stick with clickbank right?
      But i need some mentor to help me out with clickbank on how to sell the right way =/

      Im currently doing cpa and earning $200-400/day but i wanna start with clickbank and im unsure of how to start =/
      Hope someone can help me.
      Thanks!
      If you are making 200 - 400 a day with cpa, you might want to put your CB affiliate marketing on hold for a moment, & create your own product on how you do this. Cpa always garners a lot of interest, especially here on the WF. Additionally, many people on here would eagerly buy your product to learn how to make that money on a daily basis.

      Just a thought...
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      • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
        I beg to differ from willr. There are really three issues with empower, and it is the third one, the one that has not come up yet in this thread, which is the elephant in the room.

        The issues are:

        1. Is the product any good, worth the price, etc.? Obviously opinions will differ, as they have in this thread.

        2. Is the business opportunity potentially profitable? Is it better or worse than opportunities? Obviously you have to make a judgement based on your own experience, and again opinions differ.


        But the elephant in the room is about the structure of the opportunity.

        The big question about empower is whether they have enough retail customers (people buying the product to use) versus distributors (people buying the product so they can participate in the business opportunity).

        If a majority of customers are distributors, they could be at risk of acting as a pyramid scheme, and both they and distributors could be at risk from the authorities. Moreover, businesses that operate as a pyramid scheme are not sustainable, because eventually they unravel from the bottom when new members can no longer find anybody to recruit and then quit.

        You may find this link helpful as it contains quotes from the leaders of empower about the distributor/retail ratio.
        Empower Network blog is 67% affiliates, 33% retail | BehindMLM

        I would suggest you also do research at sites like mlmatty.com about the legal framework that mlm businesses operate in.
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    • Profile picture of the author GoTrade
      HI There!

      How long have you been doing CPA for ? Could you teach me! Im very interested in learning!

      Could perhaps consider paying you something for it!

      Thanks,

      Nick
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
        I think there may be a few Warriors in the PIPS section, including perhaps Stone Evans who are "lukewarm positive" as I recall about empower.
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  • Profile picture of the author flovin
    Thanks for the comments on this page. I think I want to cancel my account now.
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    • Profile picture of the author prem khaira
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      Originally Posted by flovin View Post

      Thanks for the comments on this page. I think I want to cancel my account now.
      Just do it our Singaporean friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesDrew
    Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

    alright so i bought the 25$ fee and then i have to pay another like 25$ fee or something to sell their products.
    But they only have like 5 products to sell >.<....

    And there all just their "How to make money" products...

    Wouldnt clickbank be easier to sell because there is more products..?
    I wasted a good bit of time and money with empower.

    I did far better once I started marketing some simply YouTube video ranking services to local businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dutto
    I was definitely considering it at one point ie. when I did not know what the hell I was doing.

    I walked away from empower network, once I saw the costs of the products inside there. I was like no way.

    Still kudos to the guy who came up with it, he's got more money than he could spend in 10 life times.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I almost got sucked into this piece of crap, but at the last minute I heard it was Empower Network and then took a pass.

    I hope the OP got his answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    No Empower Network defenders yet? :confused:

    Google Alerts must be running slow today.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      No Empower Network defenders yet?
      Yes, at least one that I've seen in this thread has been removed.
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      • Profile picture of the author hojo
        I looked into EN my self. I decided in 15 minutes it was not worth it.

        Any product doesn't offer a refund , because they don't even if with in the hour of hitting the pay now button should be obvious to stay away.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Empower network is like anything else. If you don't have the ability to market it, develop systems that generate leads and convert those leads to sales, automate that process, and then scale it... you're not going to succeed.

    The difference between EN and Clickbank is that you don't need to own clickbank products to sell them. You just need a clickbank account. Seeing as you don't have much experiecne you will probably benefit from setting up your own marketing systems for empower network, and using their blogging tool to promote other related products (which conveniently you can find on clickbank, jvzoo, etc). Send traffic to your clickbank product reviews on your empower network blog, and benefit from both...

    Or if you're looking for a really low cost startup affiliate business you should get out of en and work on sending free traffic to your own squeeze page, build a list, follow up with that list, and recommend relevant offers that are beneficial to them
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    • Profile picture of the author VicG
      I was a member for one month at the $25.00 fee. I unsubscribed once I under stood this business plan was a variation of an MLM. I had been intensively involved with MLMs in my past and after recognizing that EN was an MLM, I unsubscribed.

      Can you make money with this program? Possibly, I won't trash it but understand that as with any MLM program, the first in makes money and the rest struggle. I am sure there are exceptions but I posit that most recruits are just fodder for their uplines. The whole business model of MLMs is recruitment, motivation and upsell.

      My objection of EN is the business model.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ripster
    Empower Network is a scam that brainwashes the normal non-tech savvy people of their money into believing that they can make a fortune online with a system that got shitted after the Google Penguin 2.0 update and is over saturated as I don't know what.

    You have to pay $25 for a blog that you don't technically own! I can get a discounted domain name for 99 cents and install WordPress hosting for less than five bucks per month, who would pay $25 for a limited blog that has a poor design and lots of bugs? And on top of that, you don't even own the blog, Empower Network does. @OP, request a refund ASAP.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    I have heard some mention that they compare David Woods to a modern day Jim Jones, serving up tainted Cool-aid to unsuspecting newbies.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I am NOT a member of Empower Network.

    But...

    For everyone running around calling it a scam, etc, I don't think it's right.

    If you go and purchase a course from me and you don't make any money with it, does that automatically make my course a scam? No, it means you were not able to get the course to work for yourself, whether through lack of hard work or not thoroughly following the plan laid out for you.

    Empower Network is like any other product in that some people are making money and some are not. That's no different to half the courses being sold in this industry. A very few people would be making money following those techniques and most people who buy them wouldn't make any money at all. So does that make all those products scams as well?

    As for people saying it's all about making money for the people at the top. Ok, so how is that any different to the 10 product launches being carried out in this industry on a daily basis where the vendor and affiliates make all the money and the customers make very little to nothing from those products? How is that different to any bank or credit union, etc?

    I also know of plenty products in our industry and others where the affiliate program is only open to people who purchase the product. Does that mean all those products are scams as well?

    For the people saying $25 for a third party hosted blog is a rip off when you can start your own blog on your own domain for the same price, does that mean all the webmasters out there charging local businesses $1,000+ for a website that is nothing more than a customized Wordpress template are scams also?

    Almost every reason people have given above as to why Empower Network is a 'scam' are all the same sorts of things that are heavily present in this whole industry. Yet no one seems to complain about them. So if you think Empower Network is a scam then you think this entire industry is a scam and you shouldn't be in it.

    What I have learnt over the years is that in this industry everyone prefers to blame someone else or something else for their lack of success. I think it's a case of Empower Network having plenty of ammo when it comes to that and thus why people are so quick to throw stones at them. But if you were one of the guys in Empower Network making money I am certain we wouldn't hear from you.

    You (proverbial you) are not making money because 'Empower Network is a scam'. You are not making money because you don't work hard enough. It's that simple. Everything will be a 'scam' to you until you man up, pull your finger out and do the hard work required of you. I am sure the guys who are making big money in EN actually work very hard.

    No one in this world owes you anything. Just remember that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
    It seems to me like a lot of people are just jumping on the scam Wagon for EN without even trying it out… or, as will pointed out they didn't get rich with their $25 investment...
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    • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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      Originally Posted by Ripster View Post

      Empower Network is a scam that brainwashes the normal non-tech savvy people of their money into believing that they can make a fortune online with a system that got shitted after the Google Penguin 2.0 update and is over saturated as I don't know what.

      You have to pay $25 for a blog that you don't technically own! I can get a discounted domain name for 99 cents and install WordPress hosting for less than five bucks per month, who would pay $25 for a limited blog that has a poor design and lots of bugs? And on top of that, you don't even own the blog, Empower Network does. @OP, request a refund ASAP.

      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      I have heard some mention that they compare David Woods to a modern day Jim Jones, serving up tainted Cool-aid to unsuspecting newbies.
      LOL agreed. It is a cult of dysfunctional people and wanna be gurus. The problem lies in that it is a ponzi scheme in which the top of the ranks make all the money off of the unsuspecting noobs paying between 25-125+ per month while making nil. Not to mention that MLM/NM schemes always put the cart before the horse...it's all about selling dreams, not products. Plus, it teaches people to be gurus when they can't even afford groceries. That's disgusting, and that's one of the biggest reasons I despise MLM programs, as well as EN in particular.

      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      I am NOT a member of Empower Network.

      But...

      For everyone running around calling it a scam, etc, I don't think it's right.

      If you go and purchase a course from me and you don't make any money with it, does that automatically make my course a scam? No, it means you were not able to get the course to work for yourself, whether through lack of hard work or not thoroughly following the plan laid out for you.

      Empower Network is like any other product in that some people are making money and some are not. That's no different to half the courses being sold in this industry. A very few people would be making money following those techniques and most people who buy them wouldn't make any money at all. So does that make all those products scams as well?
      That's just NOT true. EN is not a product, it's a cash gifting pyramid scheme. Look it up and EN fits the description 100%, no doubt about it. I've gone over this too many times, but EN's products are garbage, the training is terrible, and culture sucks. I've reviewed it so these aren't empty accusations.

      Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

      It seems to me like a lot of people are just jumping on the scam Wagon for EN without even trying it out… or, as will pointed out they didn't get rich with their $25 investment...
      Spoken like a EN member. It's sad to see how you've gone from a "guru slaying" member who delivered some of the most brutal YT reviews...into a wanna be guru who's joined the ranks of EN.

      For everyone else, read here: BEHIND MLM Empower Network
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

        The problem lies in that it is a ponzi scheme in which the top of the ranks make all the money off of the unsuspecting noobs
        Sorry, can you just let me know how that's any different to all the product launches being done in this industry on a daily basis? The vendor and affiliates make all the money and the customers make very little to none.

        So how is that different? The truth is it's NO different at all... and you know it.

        Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

        it's all about selling dreams, not products. Plus, it teaches people to be gurus when they can't even afford groceries.
        Haha, you've just summed up about 90%+ of all products in this industry.

        Again, if you could be so kind as to tell me how that is any different to a ton of products that are launched in this industry everyday?

        It just seems to me you are someone who tried and couldn't make any money with it and thus it's easy to throw stones at them.

        I have no vested interest either way but all of the arguments in this thread are just silly because if you truly believed in them all, you wouldn't be sitting here as part of this industry.
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        • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          The vendor and affiliates make all the money and the customers make very little to none. So how is that different? The truth is it's no different at all.
          What's your point? It doesn't make what they're doing right...just like people who peddle scams aren't right.

          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          It just seems to me you are someone who tried and couldn't make any money with it and thus it's easy to throw stones at them.
          Nope, you're mistaken. Never tried it, only reviewed it. I wouldn't recommend it either as a result which is why I take a hardline stance against it. I know I could make bank with EN, but I choose not to because I believe so strongly against it. But I'm also very conscious about promoting any IM/Biz Opp products as a principle.

          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          I have no vested interest either way but all of the arguments in this thread are just silly because if you truly believed in them all, you wouldn't be sitting here as part of this industry.
          They're not silly, people who promote or believe in this shit are silly. Your final argument is bullshit too because the internet industry is vastly different from the market/niche of Biz Opp/IM/MMO. There's so much more to IM than that....and you should know that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
        Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post


        Spoken like a EN member. It's sad to see how you've gone from a "guru slaying" member who delivered some of the most brutal YT reviews...into a wanna be guru who's joined the ranks of EN.

        For everyone else, read here: BEHIND MLM Empower Network
        So you're a former member? You've seen the products yourself first hand, instead of just listening to what the sheeple say that haven't tried it themselves, or didn't get rich after paying $25 and cancelling 2 weeks later?

        If EN was not the real deal, I would not be involved - simple as that. The training (the products) in the empower network are THE best I've ever seen, period. The $15k per month formula (one time payment of $1,000) is 40+ HOURS of 'over the shoulder' video training that shows you step by step how to market online. How many IM products do you buy on clickbank that are $50 for 1-2 hours of video training and some crappy software that builds websites?

        EN is expensive at the higher levels because you get what you pay for, quality online marketing education. I know MANY marketers personally (myself included) that make MORE than Doctors or Lawyers....how much do you think they pay for 6-8 years of school only to make LESS than some Internet marketers? Empower is a quality marketing education, period. 30% of the people DON'T promote it as affiliates, but rather get it only for the training. The others choose to promote it, and can make good money doing so.

        On a more personal note, I email EACH person directly, add them to my skype account (jlenney77) and work with them directly to answer their questions and help them succeed.

        You're welcome to call that a scam and BS if you wish.....I suggest you check it out for yourself before making any judgements, I'd be happy to answer any un-loaded and legit questions you may have.

        I haven't drank any kool-aid, I'm just happy with the quality of the products and the people I've met as a result of EN.

        Have a great evening

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          Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

          I haven't drank any kool-aid, I'm just happy with the quality of the products and the people I've met as a result of EN.

          Have a great evening
          So I guess it is safe to say that all of us who are not all in are wussy's and you should punch us in the face as David would say.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
            Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

            So I guess it is safe to say that all of us who are not all in are wussy's and you should punch us in the face as David would say.
            Call this a hunch, but i'm PRETTY sure he didn't mean that literally. Judging by the lack of arrests of EN members for assault, I'd say that's pretty well understood across the board.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You should become your own Empower Network. Start your own site, create your own product, learn internet marketing, and profit. $25 for 5 products... come on. Do you earn 100% commission on the Empower network products?
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    @Will

    I'm not calling it a scam, I'm calling EN a cult, below is a short video of one of EN'S seminars and the audience looks like they would walk on hot coals if David Wood asked them to.

    I'm 100% positive that I can earn some good cash with them but is it something that I really want to be involved with, have newbies join and then tell them that they have to get all in which $2000+ and if they don't have the cash to get it anyway that they can including borrowing from your retired grandma that's on a fixed budget.

    Thanks but no thanks, I'm not going to bamfuzzle a newbie into joining.

    Watch this video.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=580379965347034
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  • Profile picture of the author Cason
    Actually EN is really legit. I've no idea why there's so much negative talk about EN. Perhaps the way they market their products?
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  • Profile picture of the author igoyzigong
    Originally Posted by yurij13 View Post

    alright so i bought the 25$ fee and then i have to pay another like 25$ fee or something to sell their products.
    But they only have like 5 products to sell >.<....

    And there all just their "How to make money" products...

    Wouldnt clickbank be easier to sell because there is more products..?
    I am not member of EN yet but I really want to joint soon. Yes I read there is
    Is a fee $19/ month as affiliate and $25 for membership.
    you don't have to pay $ 19 as affiliate if you don't want to.
    The reason I really want to joint I can promote any product I want and it's work well on google. EN affiliate keep 100% commission, click bank most of it only 75% and it might be return/cancel.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by igoyzigong View Post

      I am not member of EN yet but I really want to joint soon. Yes I read there is
      Is a fee $19/ month as affiliate and $25 for membership.
      you don't have to pay $ 19 as affiliate if you don't want to.
      The reason I really want to joint I can promote any product I want and it's work well on google. EN affiliate keep 100% commission, click bank most of it only 75% and it might be return/cancel.
      You keep 100% commissions but you don't get the commissions for every sale. So it's not technically 100% commissions. It's 100% on the sales you get but you only get every nth sale.
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