.net domain or .com with (-) in it?

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

unfortunately, multipleincomestreams.com is taken.

I wouldn't use either of the others, then. That's all downside, loss and disadvantage. I'd think again. It makes little sense to build a business like that on a domain-name of which the .com variant already belongs to somebody else.

But out of the two you've mentioned, personally I'd take the hyphenated .com by far. Certainly not the .net with a .com belonging to someone else.

(Not that SEO has anything much to do with this decision anyway, presumably, but all international TLD's are exactly equal for all Google ranking purposes, and hyphens are also completely irrelevant to SEO - if you want to look for them, there are various links to Matt Cutts/Google videos down in the SEO section explaining all this in great detail).

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bluewaveseo

11 years ago

I would go with the .net name. I hate domains with the - in them.

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Graham Maddison

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

Let us say that you're selling an ebook. The name of it is "Multiple Income Streams" (for example).

Which domain would be better?

- multipleincomestreams.net
- multiple-income-streams.com

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I don't really like any of them. But, unfortunately, multipleincomestreams.com is taken.

I personally would go with .net .. hyphenated domain names just don't seem to work in terms of page ranking ..for me anyway

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Meharis

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

Let us say that you're selling an ebook. The name of it is "Multiple Income Streams" (for example).

Which domain would be better?

- multipleincomestreams.net
- multiple-income-streams.com

?

I don't really like any of them. But, unfortunately, multipleincomestreams.com is taken.

multipleincomestreams.net is already taken. If you own it, use it.

Meharis

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svedski

11 years ago

By the way, I forgot to add: The site that I'm creating is NOT my main site. It is only the domain I'm going to use for a salespage of a product. This means, I don't really care that much about SEO. I'm going to market this page with Adwords, Banner ads, from my Autoresponder etc.

However, of course if people search for my book/course in google, I want my sales page to be ranked number one.

Another unfortunate thing however: A movie is now being made (and released this year) which has the same name as my course. This also skyrocketed the price of the .com domain of which I hired a broker to buy for me (it was originally worth like 100 bucks...now it's up to 10 grand practically overnight.)

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RogueOne

11 years ago

I'd take the hyphenated .com by far. Certainly not the .net with a .com belonging to someone else.

I agree with Alexa.

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KingTIP

11 years ago

Maybe you should come up with a better domain name that works with .com. If a movie was made with the same name, you don't want to have lawyers involved over this.

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pewpewpewmonkeys

11 years ago

Go to thesaurus.com and play around with the words "income" and "multiple" and you can easily find 2-word domain names with a .com

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stoltingmediagroup

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

Let us say that you're selling an ebook. The name of it is "Multiple Income Streams" (for example). Which domain would be better? - multipleincomestreams.net - multiple-income-streams.com ? I don't really like any of them. But, unfortunately, multipleincomestreams.com is taken.

I can't remember ever creating and naming a product without securing the .com domain name first. At one point in time I even used to secure the .net .info. .org. etc, but I think I was getting carried away as I just ended up with hundreds of domains that I never used, and that was just getting ridiculous. Short version, what I do now when coming up with titles is making sure that the matching .com is available first.

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Jared Hale

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup

I can't remember ever creating and naming a product without securing the .com domain name first. At one point in time I even used to secure the .net .info. .org. etc, but I think I was getting carried away as I just ended up with hundreds of domains that I never used, and that was just getting ridiculous. Short version, what I do now when coming up with titles is making sure that the matching .com is available first.

I do the same thing, it might take a lot longer to come up with a name but at least it's yours. I also usually will register the .com and .ca since I am in Canada.

To the OP, even though I am not a fan of hyphenated domain names, still go with the .com. ALWAYS the .com and a variation that will be unique to you and your product or services.

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FivestarHB

11 years ago

I dont believe the hyphen is a disadvantage - just look at your url for any post or page - it has a hyphen separating the key words. .com has a bit more "gravitas"or public perception of superiority, so I would be comfortable with .com with hyphens.

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GforceSage

11 years ago

Most people do not remember to add hyphens.

The .NET is much better IF the .COM is not doing something similar to what you want to do. If the .COM is too much like your site, you will confuse people and just be giving free visitors to the other site.

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Simon Farmer 11 years ago

Because it's not for SEO I would choose the hyphenated version.

If you change your mind and want to do SEO for it then I would choose the .net version.

Just a question... Can't you change the name of the product to one where the .com is available?
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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by GforceSage

Most people do not remember to add hyphens.

How do you know?

Don't "most people" actually click on a link, rather than typing anything into their browsers?
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- stoltingmediagroup 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  Don't "most people" actually click on a link, rather than typing anything into their browsers?
  
  This is true! Unless you are listening to a podcast of course. In that case the host or product pitcher has to say: "For more information visit www. A hyphen B hyphen C .com. At which point it almost sounds as if the person had no choice but to go with that domain instead, since the non hyphenated one was taken.
  
  Originally Posted by vishwa
  
  Actually I request you to always choose short domain names which is easily remembered by your clients or users.
  
  Not to bring attention to your signature file, but yours is a perfect example of a somewhat related matter. I'm going to assume that when you direct people to your website verbally, that you then have to continuously state: "sure I have a website, it's at webtalkerz.com, that's webtalkerz, with a Z.".
  
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vishwa

11 years ago

Actually I request you to always choose short domain names which is easily remembered by your clients or users.

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ronrule

11 years ago

If your goal is search engine traffic and no one will ever TYPE your domain, then the domain doesn't matter. Call it pink-marijuana-bunnies.com if you want, no one cares. But if you are building a BRAND then you should always own the .com, hyphenated and unhyphenated, and if someone else owns yourbrand.com then rename your brand. The absolute worst thing that can happen is to spend money building name reputation, only you have some of that go to the dotcom owner.

I say this coming from a direct response TV background. All of the infomercials you see on TV, and you never see productname.com advertised- its aways tryproductname.com or buyproductname.com or productnametv.com in the commercial, we use different domains for tracking. But nevertheless, about 60% of the people who visit the website always land on productname.com even if we never advertised it. If we didn't make it a point to always own it, all of that traffic would be going to someone else even with a national TV campaign behind it.

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svedski

11 years ago

Thanks people.

This sucks. The owner of the .com domain isn't even using it. It's just a blank page.

I'll try once more to reach out to the owner...if it ain't successful, well then I guess I have to re-name my product.

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stoltingmediagroup

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

Thanks people. This sucks. The owner of the .com domain isn't even using it. It's just a blank page. I'll try once more to reach out to the owner...if it ain't successful, well then I guess I have to re-name my product.

When contacting the owner, keep your head cool and try not to sound too desperate, as I can guarantee that the price will be adjusted accordingly depending on your level of interest. I do however suggest to find some related available alternative .coms. Then once you find one available that is title worthy, then secure it, and name your product accordingly.

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InternetMarketer2012 11 years ago

Hi,
I just checked on name cheap and this is available.

newmultipleincomestreams.com

You still have your main keyword in it. Hope this helps.
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- Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago
  
  Guys, "multiple income streams" is just being used as an example in this thread. It isn't the OP's product name. He did actually specify this!
  
  For myself, if having an additional word/letters in the url, I would always have them after the major keyword and not before, so "newkeyword" would be useless to me. I'd far rather have "keyword-xyz".
  
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  Steve B 11 years ago
  
  Stolpioni,
  
  Lots of differing opinions here.
  
  I'd like to add mine too as maybe you or someone else will take this idea to heart.
  
  I have purchased many, many domain names in the past and I will never again purchase anything but dot coms. Period.
  
  This extension is specifically targeted to commercial enterprises. Take a hint from all the large corporations that make millions and millions and join them in the dot com world.
  
  I don't like hyphenated or dashed names for all the reasons listed by others in this thread.
  
  So here's a tip that Alexa mentioned above: add a simple, short, meaningful word to the end of your name phrase (string). I'm providing a short list of possible words for you to review. Not all of these will work, but some should and you will find the dot com available. Here they are:
  
  book
  central
  city
  direct
  fan
  fast
  fun
  gold
  guide
  help
  hit
  home
  hq
  info
  key
  master
  new
  now
  place
  power
  pro
  quick
  secret
  site
  smart
  source
  spot
  success
  today
  value
  video
  way
  
  The best to you in your name search,
  
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zdebx

11 years ago

.com's are always the best choice for BRAND names, and no hypens or any silly things like that. If you can't find a decent .com, keep searching...

.net's or org's are also good, but for "regular" websites, not a product/ebook selling site.

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thedanbrown

11 years ago

My opinion is the first one. Not really a fan of hyphenated names. When you're on camera do you want to say "Go to multiple dash income dash streams dot com" or do you want to say go to "multiple income streams dot net" now.... which one are peeople more likely to take action on?

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svedski

11 years ago

I just managed to get a hold of the owner of the domain. It is not exactly the domain that I wanted first, but it's a pretty good .com one with my product name.

More bad news however: I was going to transfer this domain to my other host (this guy was a member of godaddy, so he just transferred it straight to my godaddy account).
Apparently the domain is now LOCKED for 2 months in my godaddy account and I'm not allowed to move it to my other host.

This is unacceptable and somebody at GoDaddy is going to pay for this.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

Apparently the domain is now LOCKED for 2 months in my godaddy account

Why is this such a problem? You can redirect the DNS and use it anyway, surely? You don't need to transfer the domain-name to a different registrar just to host a site on it somewhere other than GoDaddy, you know? (And you certainly shouldn't transfer the domain registration to the host anyway: it makes no sense to have the domain registration held in the same place where the site's hosted).

You appreciate that transferring the domain and redirecting the DNS to a hosting company are two different things?

Don't take me the wrong way: I sympathise fully that you're angry about GoDaddy. Even here, where GoDaddy's reputation is understandably awful, few people have a lower overall opinion of them than I do. But I don't quite see why this is such a problem for you? :confused:

(By the way, well done on getting the .com domain-name you wanted!).

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Mr Anderson 11 years ago

Go for the .net. There has been a lot of speculation that hyphens can hurt SEO. Additionally, the new gTLDs will make having ".com" domains much less of an issue over the next few years. As more and more gTLDs are released and reputable companies from around the world start using different endings on their websites, the stigma against .nets and .orgs will disappear.

If you can get the .com, great. If you can't, don't worry about. Just don't get a hyphenated domain.
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svedski

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Why is this such a problem? You can redirect the DNS and use it anyway, surely? You don't need to transfer the domain-name to a different registrar just to host a site on it somewhere other than GoDaddy, you know? (And you certainly shouldn't transfer the domain registration to the host anyway: it makes no sense to have the domain registration held in the same place where the site's hosted).

You appreciate that transferring the domain and redirecting the DNS to a hosting company are two different things?

Don't take me the wrong way: I sympathise fully that you're angry about GoDaddy. Even here, where GoDaddy's reputation is understandably awful, few people have a lower overall opinion of them than I do. But I don't quite see why this is such a problem for you? :confused:

(By the way, well done on getting the .com domain-name you wanted!).

I didn't know that. So that means the site will still be indexed in google?
Because when I've used domains as re-directs to other domains in the past, only the main domain (that was located on my hosting server) got indexed by Google.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

I didn't know that. So that means the site will still be indexed in google?

Sure - why not? (Unless it's previously been delisted, or something, anyway).

Originally Posted by stolpioni

Because when I've used domains as re-directs to other domains in the past, only the main domain (that was located on my hosting server) got indexed by Google.

Not suggesting you should re-direct the domain-name to another domain.

You need to redirect/point the DNS to your hosting company, so that you can host a website on it. Where do you normally host websites?

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svedski

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Sure - why not? (Unless it's previously been delisted, or something, anyway).

Not suggesting you should re-direct the domain-name to another domain.

You need to redirect/point the DNS to your hosting company, so that you can host a website on it. Where do you normally host websites?

Oh ok, didn't know you could do that. I host it at citynetworkhosting(dot)com.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

Oh ok, didn't know you could do that.

Yup ... it's the normal thing to do. You wouldn't want to have your domain registration held at the same company where you host the site on it - that can be a bad recipe: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7437169

Originally Posted by stolpioni

I host it at citynetworkhosting(dot)com.

Ok ... so, I don't use that host and I don't use GoDaddy, but you need to find out either from GoDaddy's help/support/information pages, or from the tech support staff at either Citynetworkhosting or at GoDaddy how to point the DNS at your hosting company so that you can host your site on the domain-name. (If you really want to move the registration of the domain away from GoDaddy, which I would, myself, then it might be best to wait until it's about 6 weeks from expiry and transfer it to Namecheap or to another registrar, but that's less urgent, anyway).

Good luck!

(Unfortunately there isn't a way to stop a lot of other people from making all these pointless remarks arising because all they read was the title and the first post!

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svedski

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Ok ... so, I don't use that host and I don't use GoDaddy, but you need to find out either from GoDaddy's help/support/information pages, or from the tech support staff at either Citynetworkhosting or at GoDaddy how to point the DNS at your hosting company so that you can host your site on the domain-name. (If you really want to move the registration of the domain away from GoDaddy, which I would, myself, then it might be best to wait until it's about 6 weeks from expiry and transfer it to Namecheap or to another registrar, but that's less urgent, anyway).

Good luck!

(Unfortunately there isn't a way to stop a lot of other people from making all these pointless remarks arising because all they read was the title and the first post!

).

Thanks for all the help in the thread Alexa. I read the thread you linked to as well and it does make a lot of sense to actually host the domain at a different place than my host. I'll move it away from GoDaddy as soon as I can however, I have had a lot of problem with them in the past and I wish never to deal with them again.

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

I'll move it away from GoDaddy as soon as I can however, I have had a lot of problem with them in the past and I wish never to deal with them again.

Can't argue with you there ... I left them about 3 years ago and am very happy that I did.
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ronrule

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

I just managed to get a hold of the owner of the domain. It is not exactly the domain that I wanted first, but it's a pretty good .com one with my product name.

More bad news however: I was going to transfer this domain to my other host (this guy was a member of godaddy, so he just transferred it straight to my godaddy account).
Apparently the domain is now LOCKED for 2 months in my godaddy account and I'm not allowed to move it to my other host.

This is unacceptable and somebody at GoDaddy is going to pay for this.

Did you read the terms you agreed to when you accepted the account change?

You can still point the domain anywhere you want, you just can't change registrars.

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jalno1

11 years ago

I would try for another domain with a .com like other people have said, there is little point in owning a .net when someone else has the same .com unless you are hot on SEO which I another reason I wouldn't use hyphens in the domain as it can hurt your SEO.

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jeffsolochek

11 years ago

Originally Posted by stolpioni

Let us say that you're selling an ebook. The name of it is "Multiple Income Streams" (for example).

Which domain would be better?

- multipleincomestreams.net
- multiple-income-streams.com

?

I don't really like any of them. But, unfortunately, multipleincomestreams.com is taken.

.com is probably the best way to go. For some reason this gets more traffic than a .net or any of the other extensions.

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hbhanot

11 years ago

.com what you need if you want to SEO. Use some keyword rich domain finder tools. .net no way. -somedomain-somedomain.com no way.

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11 years ago

I like multiple-income-streams.com better. Which one do you think is easier to read? Which one do you think will get more clickthroughs when you promote your links in your email newsletter?

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Datiscray

11 years ago

That's a tough one. I really don't like either.

For me I always try to get a .com and a hyphen and rather than sacrificing either I would just search for a different domain name altogether.

But if I had to choose I'd probably go the .net. Hyphens just look unprofessional to me.

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Geri Richmond

11 years ago

Hi,
Don't use hyphens in your domain name or numbers or any weird spelling of words. Dot com is of course the most sought after. You want to make your domain name as easy as possible to find.

Is there any possibility of changing the name of the book? If I were you, I'd start with a new name. Go find you domain name first, then you can name the book the same thing.
Good luck with your endeavor!

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FreddieMixell

11 years ago

I would find a new name something more original because whoever owns multipleincomestreams.com could sue you

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